Boone Will NOT be killed off.
Chris
3
Boone will be in the season finale "Final Conflict"
So thats three episodes so far.
Should be interesting.
Anthony Campbell
record of being killed in them.. ok ok.. so he was in "suspended animation"
or something.. if that's true why did Da'an say that Zo'or had killed him?
But it'll be good to have Boone back - hope he's in more than just those few
episodes as well.. Augor and him should at least meet up again..
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Chris
finale
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Janus Thinker
>finale
Depends where you're standing, I suppose.
Jak Crow
>>No he was killed in the SEASON finale, not series. This is his only SERIES
>>finale
>
> Depends where you're standing, I suppose.
You're obviously standing in the past and unable to move forward, but I
digress.
790Robothead
hand on the tank and disolved him.
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well why the hell shouldn't we?! This isn't the Earth: Final Conflict we
fell in love with!! This is not even EFC anymore, it's a spinoff using it's
name. It's badly writen. It's a joke. It's a textbook case on how NOT to
do a 5 year show. Change the premise each season to the point where it's
not even recognizable anymore.
¿fooguy?
they didn't tell him he was being ... "suspended"?
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Jak Crow
I'd like to thank you for contributing to the viewership of Earth: Final
Conflict. Be proud that you have contributed to the success of the show
making it to season 5, even with all the "angst" and emotional damage it
seems to have brought you and your cohorts. (On a related note, most
normal people stop watching a show when they don't like it any more, oh
and please don't use the "it's like watching a car wreck" excuse again)
790Robothead
product of The Joining showing Zo'or disolving him.
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790Robothead
why am I still watching? Because there isn't anything on wednesdays at 8pm
that I like. And since this is the final season I wanted to try and stick
with it till the end. It becomes harder and harder. Substandard episodes
like Subterra and The Seduction are becoming overwhelming. Did you actually
like Subterra?
Chris
Your in luck, I have a solution to your problem...
Do something else other than watch T.V.
Read a book,
Bake a cake
take a walk
watch the sunset/stars
Take a drive in the country
Make love
work out
learn something
spend time with family
Sit and listen to your spouse, tell her she's beautiful
Learn a new skill
Take martial arts
Write something
sit by the fire
Eat a meal outside
meditate
Listen to music that can make you cry
etc etc etc etc etc
Im sure there are many other things you can do other than be passively
entertained by a show you truly dont like. Time is a river, it flows away
and never returns, and one day it will cease.
Ive posted mabye one or two comments about the show, I liked it before, and
I still like it, just not as much.
This isnt trying to put anyone down but its getting really pathetic, all
that there is on this newsgroup is complaint after complaint about how much
you hate the show.
Either watch it because you enjoy it, or dont. Its never going to be season
1 again, so just get over it. Seriously guys, the show aint that bad, if it
is, oh well, theres more to life.
You people sound liek your being tourtured by being forced to watch
seomthing horrible, its like they are showing you children being murdered or
something. Your so negative, and in the negative mode towards the show that
you are seeking out only negativeity, your blind to the fact that it could
be still original and interesting. Stay positive carefre and happy, and
mabye youll think, "hey thats a cool visual", or "what a neat concept"
Yes the series has degraded, but who cares? this aint shakespeare, its a low
budget small time sci-fi series, that for its budget and so forth has done
fairly well and explored ideas that most sci-fis hadnt.
Turn off the box, and discover life.
Like my mother said...
"If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"
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790Robothead
yea, right. If you don't tell them what they're doing wrong they can't fix
it.
Jak Crow
<snip>
>> Like my mother said...
>> "If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all"
>>
>
> yea, right. If you don't tell them what they're doing wrong they can't fix
> it.
If you think the makers of EFC actually read this group seriously, or even
at all, you're serious deluding yourself if you think you'll make a
difference. How many season 1 diehards are on here? 10? 15 if that? It's
always the same. A vocal minority always bitching about something with the
show, no matter what tv show newsgroup it is, and they can never accept
the fact their input is IGNORED by TPTB.
Gareth Kitchener
> If you think the makers of EFC actually read this group seriously, or even
> at all, you're serious deluding yourself
>
Actually... A chap called Rami who works on the staff used to post here
quite regularly.
--
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Bedfordshire, England
http://www.garethkitchener.com
Jak Crow
> Jak Crow says...
>> If you think the makers of EFC actually read this group seriously, or even
>> at all, you're serious deluding yourself
>>
>
> Actually... A chap called Rami who works on the staff used to post here
> quite regularly.
Ah yes, but look at all the crap he took from the S1Ds. In the end he left
and he took his contacts with him. It takes too much effort to appease a
small group of people that believe the show is "ruined". Why bother when
they will never be happy no matter what's done?
790Robothead
it has been ruined. This was a show about humanity's struggle against the
Taelons. To suddenly drop them for the final season is ridiculous.
PkJ0891
"In the end" . . . ? As near I can tell, Rami was posting here as late as
December 2000. He had a thankless job, no doubt, but that's Gertz's fault. He
sent him here with no clue about PR. And Rami *was* doing PR. Trying to
explain things, trying to inform - when TPTB gave him very little information.
Anyone with a half a brain does not send a nice guy into a lion's den of a ng
without any PR experience. "In the end", Rami was here for appearances sake,
and took a lot of guff for apparently no reason. Once the die was cast on this
last season, Rami was gone. No longer any need for appearances.
The ng is being monitored by Erika Wiggins, but I think the only reason she's
here is to zap tape trading.
PKJ
Flibble
rebuilt them in S2 in Second Chances. Also ties in with Moonscape, and
makes sense when you figure that Lazarus was a Boone "copy" downloaded into
another body, and if they're making copies, that implies there's still an
original someplace.
I'm just happy he's going to be back, but I wish it were for the whole
season. Hope they find some way to bring Lily back too.
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Jak Crow
So -stop watching-. It's really very simple.
Jak Crow
Almost a year ago. Is this supposed to be a short amount of time? I'm glad
we agree how he was treated, i.e. badly.
> The ng is being monitored by Erika Wiggins, but I think the only reason she's
> here is to zap tape trading.
But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
trading? :)
790Robothead
what's she going to do? If we're not charging profit on it it's not illegal.
>
> But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
> trading? :)
season 1 tape trading
Stephen R. Marsh
>Taelons. To suddenly drop them for the final season is ridiculous.
Does anyone have a copy of the show's bible or the original arc documents?
I suspect that the original arc went as follows:
Season One: The Taelons "false friends with an agenda"
Season Two: Revelations: The Taelons, guilty bioengineers with a past and on
the run
Season Three: Exploring the enemy
Season Four: The enemies catch up with the Taelons, they merge as a method of
conquering their enemies, chosing a path other than the destiny they could have
had if they had trusted humanity rather than trying to manipulate it.
Season Five: The merged Taelons (the Atavi) and the humans in a final conflict
(though just two of them?!)
That would roughly fit the show as it has played out, even though lots of
elements have gone south or been cycled somewhat poorly.
But, was that the plan? Does anyone know what the plan really was?
Somewhere there ought to be arc documents, a writers bible, etc.
???
Stephen
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http://adrr.com/story/
Jak Crow
>
> "Jak Crow" <new...@werewolves.org> wrote in message
>>
>> But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
>> trading? :)
>
> season 1 tape trading
I would think the 15 S1Ds already had those taken care of 3 years ago.
Line Noise
actualy i am missing the last 2 EP from S1 !!
but i am waiting for them to be posted to the net.
I prefer to archive vido in DVD or mpg format.
tapes are such a pain.
JohnGorno
(Stephen R. Marsh) writes:
>I suspect that the original arc went as follows:
>
>Season One: The Taelons "false friends with an agenda"
>
>Season Two: Revelations: The Taelons, guilty bioengineers with a past and
>on the run
You left out "Liam Kinkaid, superhero, appears from nowhere."
>Season Three: Exploring the enemy
>
>Season Four: The enemies catch up with the Taelons...
Reasonable up to here. Notice how spare and sketchy the synopses are. Now we
get all this specific stuff from left field, stuff that changes the premise and
requires lengthy explanation:
>, they merge as a method of
>conquering their enemies, chosing a path other than the destiny they could
>have had if they had trusted humanity rather than trying to manipulate it.
>
>Season Five: The merged Taelons (the Atavi) and the humans in a final
>conflict
>(though just two of them?!)
I'm not picking on you, but I think you're trying to shoe-horn this freakish,
terrible final season into the arc. An object flys in a smooth arc with a
definite shape, but EFC's gone off on a ugly ricochet that can't be
rationalized with the earlier path.
I can't imagine the arc saying, "Season Five: Taelons and enemies vanish,
replaced by entirely new alien vampire race, motif of show alters completely
from spy-fi intrigue to solitary monster hunter, dialogue becomes mechanical,
plots idiotic." This pitch would have been rejected.
My guess for Season Five would have been: "Humans must fight open war for
their freedom and independence from alien races." This would be consistent
with the rest and make a convincing proposal. We are not watching the same
show that was pitched six years ago... Liam Kincaid could have been intended
from the start, but not this season.
JF
PkJ0891
What I said was that Rami's presence was no longer required, once season five
(meaning, the last season) had been set in stone. The show's over, so why have
a rep here? The guy was posting since the August before season two began. If
there were to be a season six, I have no doubt Rami would still be posting (if
he hadn't already slit his wrists).
As for his bad treatment, I've admitted on a number of occasions in the past
that I was one of those who got nasty with him. And this happened because
Gertz was too stupid to realize that Rami, by trying to answer questions and
post comments, was regarded by everyone as TPTB's rep. That's just the way it
works. You put someone out there as an information source, and the person *is*
a PR rep, whether that's what you intended or not. Entertainment industry
people should know better, since PR is their way of life.
>> The ng is being monitored by Erika Wiggins, but I think the only reason
>she's
>> here is to zap tape trading.
>
>But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
>trading? :)
As someone else mentioned, there's quite a demand for season one tapes. Ya'd
think Tribune would get a clue and put the entire season out on video or DVD,
instead of just the first two episodes on tape. More stupidity.
PKJ
Jak Crow
> What I said was that Rami's presence was no longer required, once season five
> (meaning, the last season) had been set in stone. The show's over, so why have
> a rep here? The guy was posting since the August before season two began. If
> there were to be a season six, I have no doubt Rami would still be posting (if
> he hadn't already slit his wrists).
>
> As for his bad treatment, I've admitted on a number of occasions in the past
> that I was one of those who got nasty with him. And this happened because
> Gertz was too stupid to realize that Rami, by trying to answer questions and
> post comments, was regarded by everyone as TPTB's rep. That's just the way it
> works. You put someone out there as an information source, and the person *is*
> a PR rep, whether that's what you intended or not. Entertainment industry
> people should know better, since PR is their way of life.
Are you saying peoples' poor treatment of a company rep is "okay"?
>>> The ng is being monitored by Erika Wiggins, but I think the only reason
>>she's
>>> here is to zap tape trading.
>>
>>But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
>>trading? :)
>
> As someone else mentioned, there's quite a demand for season one tapes. Ya'd
> think Tribune would get a clue and put the entire season out on video or DVD,
> instead of just the first two episodes on tape. More stupidity.
Probably more like "distribution issues" instead of stupidity. Think about
it.
Stephen R. Marsh
I don't think he was intended in the arc (obviously).
>>Season Five: The merged Taelons (the Atavi) and the humans in a final
>>conflict
>My guess for Season Five would have been: "Humans must fight open war for
>their freedom and independence from alien races.
I agree, I think that the intended last season was going to be a building
matter that would break into open war at the end.
Though the hints about the Taelons supplanting the Chimera might have meant
that a Liam type character was supposed to be added to the ensemble (rather
than replacing Boone).
Reminds me of the B5 mess.
I agree that nowhere in the arc would I have expected to see [quote]
>replaced by entirely new alien vampire race, motif of show alters completely
>from spy-fi intrigue to solitary monster hunter,
...
>plots idiotic."
Heck, they could have just changed the name to "Relic Hunter meets Buffy, who
will survive?"
It is too bad.
Reminds me of War of the Worlds.
I watched a few. Came back, and suddenly it was a post-apocalypse world,
completely different. Huh?
Then, the final show, resolving everything, was that the aliens weren't really
bad guys, it was just ambitious interpreters.
Now I missed *a lot* (95%) of the shows in between, but it sure seemed a
stretch.
I did like the Boone trailer "what the heck has happened" comments he made <g>
But still.
WHERE ARE THE WRITERS BIBLE AND THE ORIGINAL ARC DOCUMENTS?
Were there any (or did they just say, hey, we have a neat premise and we will
make a five year arc out of it somehow)?
William Boone
Okay! I won't! I watch it because it's so damn funny!! Kinda like an Ed
Wood movie... just feel a tinge of sadness because it's somewhat like the
movie started out edited and directed by Speilburg, but then he died, and
Wood took over! However, the comedy increases on a weekly basis!
William
--
________________________________
"Life's an absurdity, like a polar bear
running around an igloo, hollaring radar."
--------------------
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William Boone
> But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
> trading? :)
Okay... this one is REALLY easy.
Season 1 tapes, dumbass!
William
William Boone
> PkJ0891 <pkj...@aol.com> wrote:
> > What I said was that Rami's presence was no longer required, once season
five
> > (meaning, the last season) had been set in stone. The show's over, so
why have
> > a rep here? The guy was posting since the August before season two
began. If
> > there were to be a season six, I have no doubt Rami would still be
posting (if
> > he hadn't already slit his wrists).
> >
> > As for his bad treatment, I've admitted on a number of occasions in the
past
> > that I was one of those who got nasty with him. And this happened
because
> > Gertz was too stupid to realize that Rami, by trying to answer questions
and
> > post comments, was regarded by everyone as TPTB's rep. That's just the
way it
> > works. You put someone out there as an information source, and the
person *is*
> > a PR rep, whether that's what you intended or not. Entertainment
industry
> > people should know better, since PR is their way of life.
>
> Are you saying peoples' poor treatment of a company rep is "okay"?
Okay? No. But it happens. I work in a public service job, and despite bad
treatment from various people, and my complaining about it to my boss, I
haven't been pulled from my job. Yes, I know! It's amazing, isn't it!? My
job is hard, and WHOA! they make me keep working it!!! *GASP*
William
PkJ0891
>PkJ0891 <pkj...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> As for his bad treatment, I've admitted on a number of occasions in the
>past
>> that I was one of those who got nasty with him. And this happened because
>> Gertz was too stupid to realize that Rami, by trying to answer questions
>and
>> post comments, was regarded by everyone as TPTB's rep. That's just the way
>it
>> works. You put someone out there as an information source, and the person
>*is*
>> a PR rep, whether that's what you intended or not. Entertainment industry
>> people should know better, since PR is their way of life.
>
>Are you saying peoples' poor treatment of a company rep is "okay"?
Oh for God's sake . . . of course not, and since I've read all your posts,
you're too smart to NOT know what I'm talking about. I won't defend my bad
temper about the show, much less Internet culture. But you know damn well that
sending a "company rep", who obviously doesn't have a PR background or the
authority to impart any worthwhile information, into a fractured ng is asking
for trouble.
>>>But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
>>>trading? :)
>>
>> As someone else mentioned, there's quite a demand for season one tapes.
>Ya'd
>> think Tribune would get a clue and put the entire season out on video or
>DVD,
>> instead of just the first two episodes on tape. More stupidity.
>
>Probably more like "distribution issues" instead of stupidity. Think about
>it.
Ick. "Distribution issues" is more corporate-speak for We Don't Have A Clue.
If the show had been run in an even half-way sensible manner from season two
onward, there'd be no difficulties about getting the show onto vid or DVD,
ASAP.
PKJ
Jak Crow
> Jak Crow <new...@werewolves.org> wrote:
>>
>>Probably more like "distribution issues" instead of stupidity. Think about
>>it.
>
> Ick. "Distribution issues" is more corporate-speak for We Don't Have A Clue.
> If the show had been run in an even half-way sensible manner from season two
> onward, there'd be no difficulties about getting the show onto vid or DVD,
> ASAP.
Things aren't that black and white. Demand and just general business
determine if the show is going to come out on video and when. There are
MANY shows that aren't out on video yet, and are much older than E:FC, so
bitching about this is silly.
Jak Crow
I would think all 10 of you already have season 1 on tape. Try not to get
so uppity. You end up making stupid remarks like the one above.
Jak Crow
>> Conflict. Be proud that you have contributed to the success of the show
>> making it to season 5, even with all the "angst" and emotional damage it
>> seems to have brought you and your cohorts. (On a related note, most
>> normal people stop watching a show when they don't like it any more, oh
>> and please don't use the "it's like watching a car wreck" excuse again)
>
>
> Okay! I won't! I watch it because it's so damn funny!! Kinda like an Ed
> Wood movie... just feel a tinge of sadness because it's somewhat like the
> movie started out edited and directed by Speilburg, but then he died, and
> Wood took over! However, the comedy increases on a weekly basis!
And yet, you're still watching it. Have't you threatened many times to
stop watching it? I mean, regardless, the only thing you've done is
contributed to the ratings, which has kept it on the air, which is
supposed to make you angry or something. The "best" thing you could have
done is followed through with your threats.
Martin Troudt
the eps I should have them all.
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PkJ0891
>Though the hints about the Taelons supplanting the Chimera might have meant
>that a Liam type character was supposed to be added to the ensemble (rather
>than replacing Boone).
>
>Reminds me of the B5 mess.
Egads! The B5 "mess" was a tea party compared to what has happened with E:FC.
As for the Kimera, I wish they had kept Ha'gel.
>Reminds me of War of the Worlds.
>
>I watched a few. Came back, and suddenly it was a post-apocalypse world,
>completely different. Huh?
>
>Then, the final show, resolving everything, was that the aliens weren't
>really
>bad guys, it was just ambitious interpreters.
>
>Now I missed *a lot* (95%) of the shows in between, but it sure seemed a
>stretch.
Hunh? I gave up on season two of War of the Worlds, so I never saw the finale.
In the end, it was all a mistake? This is a joke, right???
>WHERE ARE THE WRITERS BIBLE AND THE ORIGINAL ARC DOCUMENTS?
>
>Were there any (or did they just say, hey, we have a neat premise and we will
>make a five year arc out of it somehow)?
I'm going to answer this only one more time, and then let someone else fill in
the blanks. There was no bible, and there was no five-year story arc. This is
per Roddenberry, Jr., who supported a plan for the show but was rebuffed.
Obviously, the season one writers did have an idea of where they wanted to go,
but nothing was planned or organized (at least, on paper). It was just dumb
luck that we had those writers for the first season.
PKJ
IWCFVB
Who is she and how do you know she monitors it?
Also, I agree, obviously, its not NEARLY as good as it once was, but... Hey,
at least Augur will be in one ep (I thought he was NEVER gonna do it again) and
Boone in 3 (just signed him to the series finale--was VERY glad; though for
sure they'd just kill him off again in Boone's Assassin).
-Jeff
IWCFVB
>replaced by entirely new alien vampire race, motif of show alters completely
>from spy-fi intrigue to solitary monster hunter, dialogue becomes mechanical,
>plots idiotic." This pitch would have been rejected.
LOL! This is HYSTERICAL!!!! (And unfortunately, too true)
-Jeff
IWCFVB
>that a Liam type character was supposed to be added to the ensemble (rather
>than replacing Boone).
>
From things I've read I believe this was the case, though I don't think he was
supposed to be a regular. Maybe a one-time shot or a recurring character, and
he was definitely supposed to be introduced later on.
-Jeff
IWCFVB
>in
>the blanks. There was no bible, and there was no five-year story arc. This
>is
>per Roddenberry, Jr., who supported a plan for the show but was rebuffed.
>Obviously, the season one writers did have an idea of where they wanted to
>go,
>but nothing was planned or organized (at least, on paper). It was just dumb
>luck that we had those writers for the first season.
>
Yo, King of Know-It-Alls, I wish you would stop spouting about what you know
nothing about. Honestly, I don't want to be mean and I'm not trying to start a
fight, but its really irritating that you keep answering EVERY question when
half the answers are incorrect.
Your post above is a perfect example. Actually, there WAS a five-year plot
arc. EXACTLY five years. Using Roddenberry's notes, the S1 writers and other
creative entities carefully plotted a full five-year arc. This was made very
clear from even before the show began by Majel and others on the production
staff as well as cast members. Don't believe me? See the feature story in TV
Guide before the series came out. Or virtually any other online story or
magazine article about the show when it first came out.
Obviously they've drifted TOTALLY from this original arc, but that doesn't mean
it wasn't there in the beginning.
-Jeff
Stephen R. Marsh
>creative entities carefully plotted a full five-year arc.
Ok, where is the document?
I'm just curious. Surely someone has run it down?
Jak Crow
> Actually I have every season on tape but season 1. As soon as sci-fi reruns
> the eps I should have them all.
My god! You've got tapes after season 1? Blasphemy!
William Boone
I'm sorry, your pea sized brain must have skipped over the part about me
watching it because it's so damn funny. I feel a tinge of sadness, because
the show isn't exactly what I would like to have seen, but... it's like an
Ed Wood movie!! I own Plan 9 and Glen or Glenda. I happen to be a big fan
of crap! It's very fun to watch!!
William
Stephen R. Marsh
documents (or a summary of them) would have surfaced by now and I'd be able to
find out what they originally intended.
790Robothead
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I herd Richard Chevolleau backed out of the episode.
Jak Crow
>> stop watching it? I mean, regardless, the only thing you've done is
>> contributed to the ratings, which has kept it on the air, which is
>> supposed to make you angry or something. The "best" thing you could have
>> done is followed through with your threats.
>
> I'm sorry, your pea sized brain must have skipped over the part about me
> watching it because it's so damn funny. I feel a tinge of sadness, because
> the show isn't exactly what I would like to have seen, but... it's like an
> Ed Wood movie!! I own Plan 9 and Glen or Glenda. I happen to be a big fan
> of crap! It's very fun to watch!!
Ah, I see you're using all the typical season 1 diehard excuses. Good
work.
.Obsidian.
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[...] SNECKAGE HAS OCCURETH
>
> >> The ng is being monitored by Erika Wiggins, but I think the only reason
> >she's
> >> here is to zap tape trading.
> >
> >But, but....if all these people hate the show, why would there be tape
> >trading? :)
>
> As someone else mentioned, there's quite a demand for season one tapes.
Ya'd
> think Tribune would get a clue and put the entire season out on video or
DVD,
> instead of just the first two episodes on tape. More stupidity.
> PKJ
Here in Australia ALL series one tapes are available LEGALLY but they are in
Pal not ntsc unfortunately.
If there is a serious interest ( and this will take me a few weeks) I will
dig out my contact who is the distributor and see if there is any legal
restriction to export to the states.
PS: Considering What I have read about S5 ( i told you so erika but
NOOOOOOOOO) i KNow they are going to screw boone's assasin episode up.
I now this sounds lame but.............................
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Watching da'an close his eyes as the regeneration pod closed on him and
vorjak made me teary in PONR
I still find it difficult to watch knowing this is it for leni
<rant>
GERTZ and segal if your reading this or even get a copy of this email know
this
I HATE YOU , Despise you and uttertly detest you .You both misled us. We
wan't daan and zoor back not this parody of beauty and the beast you
consider clever Your both idiots who destroyed a perfectly good show just to
placate your own egos. May you have a miserable career and maybe learn how
to listen to your only communicative demographic. I pray neither of you
never EVER get a job again in **Television**
. I wan't to see you work in macdonalds or something so i can cost you your
job. YOU CRETINS.
Sorry folks I needed to get that off my chest.
/marcvs
TJ
99.9% Zo'or is more annoying than Howlyn.
TJ
William Boone
Uh... no. No I'm not. They say they're still watching because it's like a
trainwreck, and they just can't stop.. or they want to find out the ending.
I'm saying I watch it because I like to MAKE FUN OF CRAP!!!! C'mon. Stay
with me here, dumbass. I know it's hard, what with the single digit IQ and
all... but if you try just a bit, it might help a little bit.
You don't understand Ed Wood fans do you? If you saw one, and talked to
one, your head would probably spin around really fast, and explode... come
to think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
William
William Boone
news:9s4mov$lkp$1...@gnamma.connect.com.au...
Nooo!!! You have insulted "The New"! You have incurred the wrath of the
mighty god Jak "McDumbass" Crow. Duck!! Run while you can!!! He will
argue with you nonsensically, ignoring your actual message text, and respond
with idiocy until your head is completely sucked out through your fingers,
into the keyboard, and over to his house!! Then your head will implode!!!
William
TJ
>
whoops, mean't to say "99.9% of the time..."
TJ
790Robothead
"William Boone" <su...@scsinternet.com> wrote in message
news:iCnF7.2089$qb4....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
you too? LOL, I was afraid I was the only one who was so fed up with Jak
'Renee&JudaOnTVIsBetterThanRealSex' Crow. What a stupid little weasel. I
wonder if anyone here actually likes him, I can't see how. What a repugnant
little dork.
.Obsidian.
TJ <tjgui...@aol.comdiespam> wrote in message
news:20011104213405...@mb-mp.aol.com...
> whats so great about da'an and zo'or?
>
> 99.9% Zo'or is more annoying than Howlyn.
>
Well this should piss the trolls off but Leni and Anita can ACT. You remeber
acting it's that thing tht makes us
watch a television show. Secondly I have the distinct pleasure of spending
some time with leni , anita and eugene at the end of the month when they
come to sydney, australia for the convention. Considering They have been
*Gertzed* (tm) it is probably the only time I will get to meet them
I hope that answers your trollish question :P~
.Obsidian.
TJ <tjgui...@aol.comdiespam> wrote in message
news:20011104234858...@mb-mp.aol.com...
> >99.9% Zo'or is more annoying than Howlyn.
> >
>
> whoops, mean't to say "99.9% of the time..."
Gotta love a attempted flame that can't even get it right. I think you need
engerlish lezzons
Yeah Whatever and I still reserve the right to say one of Zo'ors best
episode was epiphany.
I know I will get flamed for this but i don't give a monkeys
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After zoor has almost drained daan of all the core energy daan got from
bolvak (summit) and then zoor walked over to the command console and looked
eagerly at the console and then ever so slowly over his shoulder I
considered that ONE scene perhaps the best in the show. I know a lot of you
don't like s4 and a lot of threads were dropped but that one particular
sequence in ephiphany gets rewound on a regular basis on my vcr.
As for the atavii hybrids has anyoe considered the taelo hybrids daan did
something with in * a little bit of heaven* and what happened to the baby
that blushed when it was in da'ans arms. Me thinks there is a plot line here
. Sorry what was I thinking that would require creativity upon gertz's
behalf and that is an oxy moron
Can some on confirm the rumour that kevin kiler is in ep 522 the final
episode and if anita has signed for any more episodes. I will ask her in a
few weeks anyhow. I would also be willing to pass on any CIVIL emails to
leni and anita at the convention refer www.bobw.com.au if anyone would like
me to and if the organisers allow me to. Any rude or evil emails will be
posted back here with headers etc. Feel free to send emails to the reply
address and I will compile them. Any attachments or suspicious emails will
be larted on sight
Peace love and taelon bean bags
/marcvs
here endeth the lesson
PkJ0891
Jeff, honey, that would be "Queen".
If you're referring to the TV Guide story reported online years ago and
probably now trashed, it was at:
www.tvgen.com/tv/magazine/970630/ftr2a.sml
. . . and its says, quoting Majel, "We presold it to 75 percent of the U.S.
markets on Gene's name alone - no pilot, no long-term story, no cast, no
nothing," she says proudly. Later on in the article, Rick Okie says that "the
late writer's notes were strong and specific enough to allow the team to map
out a five-year story arc".
Who'ya gonna believe? Rick Okie, or both Majel and Eugene, Jr.?
On March 22, 1998, during an online chat, Gene Jr, said: "I actually suggested
that they plan something for the future but they at first said that they did
not know what was going to happen. There is a general idea but nothing has
really been organized. Every time I ask what's in store, they say we're not
sure."
If this transcript is still available at
philosophysphere.com/rodtranscript.html, it's a fascinating read. Trib didn't
want "Sandoval's Run" to air?? Gak!!! There was suit interference from the
get-go.
And then we have the equivocating Majel.
While chatting online with People, May 13, 1998, Majel stated that it wasn't
her preference to have a five-year format "much like B5", and "our segments
will be very stand-alone from here on in . . . We did not mean to copy 'Babylon
5' but it appears as though it did become more episodic as we went along. That
will not be case from here on in". Additionally, Majel asserts that it was not
her "intention" to start that way . . . "it just developed that way and I want
it to stop".
During her chat from June 13, 1998, regarding arcs versus standalones, she says
that arcs are " . . . awful. ST's arc lasted for 34 years and it started out
"These are the voyages of the Star Trek Enterprsie . . . and ended "To boldly
go where no one has gone before." If the stories are good that's the only arc
you need!"
Of course, there's a print article in the Philly Inquirer from December 29,
1997, where it states that show is based on "a freshly discovered Roddenberry
script", and Majel says she "loves the idea of an entire series unfolding like
a mystery novel, and she's promising only a couple of things: not too much
violence and not too much seriousness". Further, that the show will be
"getting lighter and lighter . . . there's just no way in the world that Gene
could write anything dark".
Can we say: Production squabbles, from Day One??
From Leni regarding season two, dated February 27, 1998: "As we develop this
series, I don't really know where the writers are going for the second season
at all. I do know what's happening at the end of the season, obviously. I
think they wanted to develop more conflict between the humans because there are
alliances happening between Boone and Da'an".
Ummmmmmmm, no.
And then there's KK's interview from February 6, 1998. My printout gives the
URL as
http://130.80.29.3/content/chronicle/ae/tv/9798/archives/2-7-trek.0-0.html
If you want to believe that E:FC had an organized and mapped out direction from
the beginning of season one, that's fine with me. Knock yourself out. But I
think you're dreaming the impossible dream, from everything I've read, both
online and off.
PKJ
IWCFVB
always did the most with what she was given (very little). Zo'or was REALLY
interesting and different--a malevolent, manipulative Taelon--in the beginning.
Till they made her TOO malevolent. That was all writing though.
Da'an was ALWAYS awesome, though his character steadily declined as well as the
writing got worse and worse, though not as much as the character of Zo'or.
Anyone know where I can get pics of these two without the make-up, btw? I was
always curious...
-Jeff
IWCFVB
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IWCFVB
>think you're dreaming the impossible dream, from everything I've read, both
>online and off.
Not so. You pretty much said it all with Leni's speech you gave above. She
THOUGHT they were gonna do something for season two--but didn't. As Okie said,
and you quoted, they DID have an arc. And hell, of course I know they TOTALLY
threw it out the window after getting rid of Kilner and starting S2--but it WAS
TJ
>acting it's that thing tht makes us
>watch a television show. Secondly I have the distinct pleasure of spending
>some time with leni , anita and eugene at the end of the month when they
>come to sydney, australia for the convention. Considering They have been
>*Gertzed* (tm) it is probably the only time I will get to meet them
>
>I hope that answers your trollish question :P~
>
>
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>
sorry I've just always hated Zo'or.
I thought he should've been ditched after resurrection.
TJ
Stephen R. Marsh
What was it.
Stephen R. Marsh
www. or it won't register).
[quote]
Q: I heard that E:FC is being made with a 5 year time-line sort of like Babylon
five is that true?
A: Well, no. I actually suggested that they plan out something for the future
but they at first said that they did not know what was going to happen. There
is a general idea but nothing has really been organized. Every time I ask
what's in store, they say we're not sure.
Q: Any Books & software on Final Conflict
[/quote]
William Boone
"790Robothead" <jh...@execulink.com> wrote in message
news:khpF7.52292$Z2.7...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
Booyeah!! Finally, someone will stand with me and not bother explaining
their viewpoints to that asshole!
Good work, 790Robothead...
William
Jak Crow
>> work.
>
> Uh... no. No I'm not. They say they're still watching because it's like a
> trainwreck, and they just can't stop.. or they want to find out the ending.
> I'm saying I watch it because I like to MAKE FUN OF CRAP!!!! C'mon. Stay
> with me here, dumbass. I know it's hard, what with the single digit IQ and
> all... but if you try just a bit, it might help a little bit.
Oh yes, I can see you having your fun behind all the anger toward the post
season 1 episodes. Nice dodge attempt though. Little uppity again however.
> You don't understand Ed Wood fans do you? If you saw one, and talked to
> one, your head would probably spin around really fast, and explode... come
> to think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
I'm surprised the season 1 diehards' heads haven't exploded from the
seething fury.
William Boone
> William Boone <su...@scsinternet.com> wrote:
> > "Jak Crow" <new...@werewolves.org> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Ah, I see you're using all the typical season 1 diehard excuses. Good
> >> work.
> >
> > Uh... no. No I'm not. They say they're still watching because it's
like a
> > trainwreck, and they just can't stop.. or they want to find out the
ending.
> > I'm saying I watch it because I like to MAKE FUN OF CRAP!!!! C'mon.
Stay
> > with me here, dumbass. I know it's hard, what with the single digit IQ
and
> > all... but if you try just a bit, it might help a little bit.
>
> Oh yes, I can see you having your fun behind all the anger toward the post
> season 1 episodes. Nice dodge attempt though. Little uppity again however.
You're an idiotic asshole. I'm finished argueing with you, because you
aren't worth my time...
I suggest all other respectable members of this newsgroup follow suite.
Maybe then he'll go away.
If not, then we can all just kill-file and ignore him.
>
>
> > You don't understand Ed Wood fans do you? If you saw one, and talked to
> > one, your head would probably spin around really fast, and explode...
come
> > to think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
>
> I'm surprised the season 1 diehards' heads haven't exploded from the
> seething fury.
Oooh. Witty comeback. Real witty. Spend hours thinking that up?
William
.Obsidian.
William Boone <su...@scsinternet.com> wrote in message
news:eeCF7.2173$qb4....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
William I am also with you on this, however, I think JAK is nothing more
than a troll.
You know the drill about trolls. 3 weeks till the convention YAHOO
/marcvs
>
>
790Robothead
what convention?
790Robothead
just shut up Jak and go get laid, if that's possible
PkJ0891
>http://www.philosophysphere.com/rodtranscript.html is still there (you need
>the
>www. or it won't register).
Yes, sorry. I assumed that people would know to put the "www." in front, but I
shouldn't have assumed. My bad.
PKJ
PkJ0891
We look at this in opposite terms. Me, I think you have to examine the
totality of information available, when trying to determine the truth about a
fuzzy matter - and the E:FC debacle practically wins the Fuzzy Facts
Sweepstakes.
Rick Okie can say what he likes, but why would Gene, Jr. lie? And lie out his
butt, at that. That would be one huge lie, to say that there never was a
five-year plan, if there actually had been. Majel, in spite of her early
interview, made her hatred of arcs and planned storylines quite obvious in her
chats.
I think Rick Okie wanted to plan out the story, and probably did, in his head.
I also think he had supporters for a B5-like plan from other writers. But
there was that *other* faction, and you can't deny it looks as though there
were political battles over the direction of the show from its inception.
(Shades of Nowhere Man)
If Okie or any other season one writer publishes the supposed bible or
five-year plan, I will be more than happy to admit my mistake. I'd like to be
wrong about this, because then I can REALLY REALLY HATE TPTB even more than I
do now - that they'd take a cohesive, prior agreed-upon, 5-year plan and just
throw it out the window. But I don't believe there ever was any agreement on
the tone, style, or direction of the show. Just a couple of great writers who
had a vision of where they wanted to go, but little or no support to back them
up.
PKJ
Jak Crow
>>
>> I'm surprised the season 1 diehards' heads haven't exploded from the
>> seething fury.
>
I'll have ask my mate about this. Thanks for the reminder though.
Jak Crow
>> season 1 episodes. Nice dodge attempt though. Little uppity again however.
>
> You're an idiotic asshole. I'm finished argueing with you, because you
> aren't worth my time...
Oh, sorry. I didn't want to take up your busy schedule of complaining
about the show. Please continue.
> I suggest all other respectable members of this newsgroup follow suite.
> Maybe then he'll go away.
> If not, then we can all just kill-file and ignore him.
And make sure you make a big stink when you *plonk*! :)
>>
>>
>> > You don't understand Ed Wood fans do you? If you saw one, and talked to
>> > one, your head would probably spin around really fast, and explode...
> come
>> > to think of it, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.
>>
>> I'm surprised the season 1 diehards' heads haven't exploded from the
>> seething fury.
>
> Oooh. Witty comeback. Real witty. Spend hours thinking that up?
Not as much time as it took you to think up that zinger.
Jak Crow
>
> you too? LOL, I was afraid I was the only one who was so fed up with Jak
> 'Renee&JudaOnTVIsBetterThanRealSex' Crow. What a stupid little weasel. I
> wonder if anyone here actually likes him, I can't see how. What a repugnant
> little dork.
Damn. I guess those seminars on impressing people and making friends has
failed. Curses....
Stephen R. Marsh
>head.
Anyone ever contact him and ask what he had in mind and what he had planned?
.Obsidian.
790Robothead <jh...@execulink.com> wrote in message
news:Y7JF7.52711$Z2.8...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
www.bobw.com.au efc and combined buffy conventiion
anita,leni, eugene JR and the bird that plays drusilla (or however you spell
it) are the guests. 2 1/2 day convention and an open bar (hehehe they will
regret that knowing how much i , a true blue aussie , can drink
/marcvs
.Obsidian.
TROLL
'TARD
Guess what
PLONK!!!!
.Obsidian.
just think of more lame trolls like this. If he keeps it up he may get a
coveted alt.usenet.kooks award
doesn't matter I plonked him 2 posts ago
Jak Crow
Yay!
Line Noise
> > they DID have an arc.
>
> What was it.
Ask Richard C. Okie...
I suspect it was his story. Corect me if I am wrong but wosen't Rick
Okie the 4th producer on season 1 and gone season 2-5? does aneyone know
what else this guy has writen/produced?
JohnGorno
<< I'm sorry, your pea sized brain ...>>
<< You're an idiotic asshole. >>
Ok, so this Crow guy's a jerk at best, and most likely a troll, but *you* were
the name caller.
JF
JohnGorno
(PkJ0891) writes:
>We look at this in opposite terms.
...
>
>If Okie or any other season one writer publishes the supposed bible or
>five-year plan, I will be more than happy to admit my mistake. I'd like to
>be
>wrong about this, because then I can REALLY REALLY HATE TPTB even more than I
>do now - that they'd take a cohesive, prior agreed-upon, 5-year plan and just
>throw it out the window. But I don't believe there ever was any agreement on
>the tone, style, or direction of the show. Just a couple of great writers
>who had a vision of where they wanted to go, but little or no support to back
>them up.
I think you've both proven your case, you just disagree about what the case is.
I'm with Jeff on this (even though his "trivia king" jab was uncalled for):
the point of dispute is that we would consider even an informal common vision
like this among the writers to count as an arc, while you demand a much more
rigorous B5-like "bible" from the "TPTB."
JF
JohnGorno
(IWCFVB) writes:
>Zo'or was only annoying cause the writers suck. Anita was a fine actress and
>always did the most with what she was given (very little). Zo'or was REALLY
>interesting and different--a malevolent, manipulative Taelon--in the
>beginning. Till they made her TOO malevolent.
I had the opposite reaction: I disliked Zo'or at the start because he was too
vicious for a Taelon and too pure a villain, which forced Da'an to be too nice.
Later on, we see Zo'or developing more personality and a respect for
humanity's qualities: the stories sucked, but the character had more
potential. I really would have liked to have seen more interesting things done
with him (and I'll treat everyone to a retread of a previous post!)
"Infection" was, in my opinion, the worst first season episode by far, with a
cliched, morally simplistic plot about moronic white supremecists targetting a
poor but nice minority community, but it introduced a thread that could have
been put to use. Zo'or was deeply concerned about the Taelon race becoming
polluted by the vaccine derived from Boone's DNA: the final scene shows that
his concern was justified! The essential unity of mankind does not extend to
alien species, who are truly different.
Zo'or's devolution in later seasons to an ever-more human-like villain would
have been a lot more palatable if it had been explained as a result of this
contaminant - a drawn out version of Ro'ha's freak-out in "Pandora's Box(?)"
Likewise for the Taelons in general.
Another thing they could have done was have a reversal of alignments: Da'an
has been Hell-bent from day one to create hybrids, while Zo'or is a racial
purist. Liam shared Zo'or's fear that a hybridization would create a
monstrosity and destroy the uniqueness of each race, so they might well have
found themselves reluctant allies, cooperating to sabotage one of "Da'an's
ungodly experiments" each week, instead of Liam and Da'an vs. one of "Zo'or's
evil schemes."
This is, of course, forgetting for the moment that Liam is just such a hybrid
and that his Kimera genes should drive him to knock up as many cute girls as he
can manage, to produce lots of cute little hybrid babys. This was another
lemon they could have made lemonaide out of: we've always complained about
Liam instantly being accepted by the Resistance, Da'an's instant alliance, and
the absurd amount of trust the Synod was willing to give him ("You don't want a
CVI? You want to wander the mothership at will? Sure! No problemo."). This
irrational compliance could have been explained as his Kimera charm at work!
Liam wouldn't have been so annoying if he hadn't been such a boy scout, and it
would have given him a sleazy edge (think Dean Martin!) to see him catting
around and see Lili, Doors, etc., having moments of clarity and suspicion
before falling back under his spell. "Dammit, Liam, why can't I stay angry at
you?" "Hey, what can I say? I'm magic, baby..."
JF
PkJ0891
>>I think Rick Okie wanted to plan out the story, and probably did, in his
>>head.
>
>Anyone ever contact him and ask what he had in mind and what he had planned?
I wouldn't have a clue how to contact him, but I'd be surprised if he revealed
anything about E:FC. The debate still rages. Why would he speak openly about
the show, while it's still on the air? He has his career to consider, and
telling tales out of school is a no-no. Give it five years . . . I bet we get
a book from someone intimately involved with the mess.
PKJ
PkJ0891
Hey, LN, nice to see you back again!
I had to look up Okie on the IMDb. He's credited with being an executive
producer for the first season, and he wrote "Truth" and "Horizon Zero". I have
no clue when he left the show, although the Db would indicate his tenure was
short. As of June 30, 1997, he was described as one of the "executive"
producers and as the "head writer", if you can believe the TV Guide online
article. (So when the hell did get Gertz get promoted? After TPTB decided to
go in a new direction??)
Okie's most recent claim to fame is "Witchblade".
PKJ
PkJ0891
You make a very valid point. When fans talk about a bible or a five-year plan,
I expect something in writing. Perhaps I'm expecting too much, literal-minded
person that I am. What really galls me, though, is the idea that Okie or
someone else actually wrote out a five-year outline, and some eejit threw it
out??
If there was a prior agreed-upon plan, it just strikes me as almost impossible
that it was trashed half-way through filming of the first season. And it would
have to have been by that point, since in February 1998, KK talked about having
to turn down a NYC theater role in "Long Day's Journey" because E:FC began
filming for season two in mid-May.
I still don't understand how a five-year plan could have been in force from Day
One, given all the other crappola that we know has transpired . . . but I
accept your point.
PKJ
CJ
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Okie was only involved with EFC during S1. He was off the
credits beginning in S2.
Witchblade was a show that had a very similar sort of "feel" to that of EFC S1, I
thought. The story was told through the eyes of the central character and the
central character was an average person dropped into a set of extraordinary events.
The good and bad guys were neither completely good nor completely evil all of the
time; there was a great deal of ambiguity there. There was that same suspicion of a
greater conspiracy at work as EFC S1 had. There was a fair amount of emphasis put
on thoughtful, revealing dialogue between characters. Oh yeah, and there were clues
dropped like breadcrumbs week to week, slowly revealing the details of a greater
story arc.
Yes, Paul Gertz was also doing a lot of writing during S1, but it seems that when
Okie left EFC, these kinds of story elements seemed to have "coincidently" left
with him. And judging by Witchblade, those same elements seem to reappear magically
in other series that Okie becomes involved in. I suspect that he might have played
a big role in bringing many of the elements to EFC that many S1 fans found so
appealing.
And for that reason, I figure it's worth keeping an eye out for other shows he gets
involved with.