Kevin Kilner interview in Sci Fi TV
TBrush1090
magazine. Kilner, who obviously has a lot of affection and respect for his
former co-workers, reluctantly agreed to reveal his reasons for leaving Earth:
Final Conflict at the end of its first season.
The "official" version widely touted by the program's producers was that Kilner
had become disgruntled with the long lonely shooting hours in Canada and left
the show to spend more time with his family.
In the Sci Fi TV interview, Kilner makes no mention of this one way or the
other.
Kilner puts to rest the long-standing rumors that he was fired from the
program. Although he would have liked to have been in season two, he chose to
leave because he felt he was being treated in an unprofessional manner--three
weeks before the second season was due to begin shooting Kilner and the rest of
the cast had still not been offered a contract by the producers--and also
because he had misgivings about lack-of-quality in the second season because
the writers appeared to be bowing to pressure from the financiers to add more
sex and violence and seemed to have no clear idea in mind for the direction of
the second season of the program in general and Kilner's character in
particular. Kilner, who remained in touch with his former co-stars throughout
season two, reports that the cast felt "miserable" due to this directionless
approach.
(Most of the comic-bookish sex and violence that "dumbified" EFC in the second
season was the work of the new producer Jonas McCord, who has since been sacked
and will not be involved in the third season.)
ta
tom
"The sleeper dreams oblivion"
Taelon scientist Rho-ha
"Pandora's Box"
Gene Roddenberry's Earth: Final Conflict
james evans
"SciFi Buzz" that he left due to better offerings in the movie industry. It
is sad that one of the freshest offerings on scifi television could'nt
resist the mainstream panderings of the current television scene, rife as it
is with the Melrose Place mentality that has turned most good television
into base psychodrama. Thanks for sharing that news, it was a bit fustrating
just knowing what led Kilner to leave the show.
Ma`el
I've read a transcript of the same article, and will go find the source later
today, but I didn't come to the same conclusion as you.
KK doesn't declare that he didn't receive a contract to renew any more than he did
get a contract and turned it down. That's the crux of the matter. If he never got
a renewal contract, he was fired (they let him go). If he did get a renewal
contract and turned it down, he left. But he doesn't unequivocally say that one
way or the other. He says he decided that it wasn't fair that he and the rest of
the cast were being asked to wait until three weeks before season 2 started to sign
their contracts. But that doesn't address whether or not he was *offered* a
contract. No offer means he was fired; an offer he declined means he walked away,
and we don't know that one way or the other.
One other set of phrases makes this even murkier. On one hand it's said "he was
not fired", followed by "it was not my choice to leave". That doesn't help.
It's also easy to read this article as an implied defense of self and an accusation
of others without actually going there. He gives a "professional" answer, because
a direct one starts to taint his working reputation and that of Tribune, Atlantis,
etc. "Professional" often equals "political" in order to imply something without
going out on the limb of stating it.
In the end, I don't know that we'll ever know exactly how this played out. KK
still hasn't revealed it, and TPTB aren't going to for just about the same reasons
KK hasn't. But to say that "he chose to leave" is an overstatement.
TBrush1090 wrote:
"Boone... has an uncanny ability to sense when we are lying to him."
Edgar Governo
<snipped original post>
>Hold that thought...
>
>I've read a transcript of the same article, and will go find the source later
>today, but I didn't come to the same conclusion as you.
>
>KK doesn't declare that he didn't receive a contract to renew any more than he did
>get a contract and turned it down. That's the crux of the matter. If he never got
>a renewal contract, he was fired (they let him go). If he did get a renewal
>contract and turned it down, he left. But he doesn't unequivocally say that one
>way or the other. He says he decided that it wasn't fair that he and the rest of
>the cast were being asked to wait until three weeks before season 2 started to sign
>their contracts. But that doesn't address whether or not he was *offered* a
>contract. No offer means he was fired; an offer he declined means he walked away,
>and we don't know that one way or the other.
>
>One other set of phrases makes this even murkier. On one hand it's said "he was
>not fired", followed by "it was not my choice to leave". That doesn't help.
>
>It's also easy to read this article as an implied defense of self and an accusation
>of others without actually going there. He gives a "professional" answer, because
>a direct one starts to taint his working reputation and that of Tribune, Atlantis,
>etc. "Professional" often equals "political" in order to imply something without
>going out on the limb of stating it.
>
>In the end, I don't know that we'll ever know exactly how this played out. KK
>still hasn't revealed it, and TPTB aren't going to for just about the same reasons
>KK hasn't. But to say that "he chose to leave" is an overstatement.
You know what all this speculation sounds like? In lieu of cryptic
storylines and statements on the part of E:FC in Season 2, we've
latched onto cast interviews for similarly cryptic statements. :} All
this interpretation and reinterpretation recalls some of the
speculation regarding Season 1. Weird, isn't it? ;)
Edgar Governo
Historian of Things That Never Were
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You can also visit my homepage:
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Personal email is encouraged, as always.
Marty
>Kilner puts to rest the long-standing rumors that he was fired from the
>program. Although he would have liked to have been in season two, he chose to
>leave because he felt he was being treated in an unprofessional manner--three
>weeks before the second season was due to begin shooting Kilner and the rest of
>the cast had still not been offered a contract by the producers--and also
>because he had misgivings about lack-of-quality in the second season because
>the writers appeared to be bowing to pressure from the financiers to add more
>sex and violence and seemed to have no clear idea in mind for the direction of
>the second season of the program in general and Kilner's character in
>particular. Kilner, who remained in touch with his former co-stars throughout
>season two, reports that the cast felt "miserable" due to this directionless
>approach.
>
This contradicts Kliners own statments when he participated in a live
chat on the Philosophy Sphere. Go back and read the transcript. He
made the statement that he was not asked back for season 2, making it
clear that it was managements choice and not his.
How do you explain this ?
Allstar Cigar
http://www.allstarcigar.com
TBrush1090
Position and Reputation are everything, and the first rule of survival is "Thou
shalt not annoy or embarass anyone of importance lest ye never work in this
town again."
I think Mr. Kilner has very carefully considered his comments in order to avoid
doing just that.
I'm sure the stories of Mr. Kilner being bothered by the long shooting hours
were partially true, and that Mr. Kilner's assertations that the finance people
were dictating terms to the creative people are in themselves partially true.
" A Vorlon once said, 'The truth is a three-edged sword;' your truth, their
truth, and the truth in between."
---Captain John J. Sheridan
Babylon 5 season 4
"Into the Fire"
The Shadows
spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
The Shadows
TBrush1090 wrote in message <19990418013930...@ng96.aol.com>...
>An interview with actor Kevin Kilner appears in the June issue of Sci Fi TV
>magazine. Kilner, who obviously has a lot of affection and respect for his
>former co-workers, reluctantly agreed to reveal his reasons for leaving
Earth:
>Final Conflict at the end of its first season.
>
>The "official" version widely touted by the program's producers was that
Kilner
>had become disgruntled with the long lonely shooting hours in Canada and
left
>the show to spend more time with his family.
>
>In the Sci Fi TV interview, Kilner makes no mention of this one way or the
>other.
>
>Kilner puts to rest the long-standing rumors that he was fired from the
>program. Although he would have liked to have been in season two, he chose
to
>leave because he felt he was being treated in an unprofessional
manner--three
>weeks before the second season was due to begin shooting Kilner and the
rest of
>the cast had still not been offered a contract by the producers--and also
>because he had misgivings about lack-of-quality in the second season
because
>the writers appeared to be bowing to pressure from the financiers to add
more
>sex and violence and seemed to have no clear idea in mind for the direction
of
>the second season of the program in general and Kilner's character in
>particular. Kilner, who remained in touch with his former co-stars
throughout
>season two, reports that the cast felt "miserable" due to this
directionless
>approach.
>
>(Most of the comic-bookish sex and violence that "dumbified" EFC in the
second
>season was the work of the new producer Jonas McCord, who has since been
sacked
>and will not be involved in the third season.)
>
an...@nospam.com
wrote:
>Hold that thought...
>
>I've read a transcript of the same article, and will go find the source later
>today, but I didn't come to the same conclusion as you.
This sounds like another Claudia Christian situation. Fired, quit, no
one really knows. What is it about popular stars on cult scifi shows?
LiveWebcs
aside. They either wanted him or
didn't and from the information below
its pretty darn clear.
LiveWebcs
different from what happened with Claudia.
Here are the facts on her. Her departure
is far from a mystery.
What happened was the series at the end
of season four didn't have a home. For
several weeks the cast's contracts were up
and they had the right to bolt.
Fortunately the B5 cast was one of the most
loyal in TV history. So most of them signed
up even after their contracts had expired,
passed the last minute I might add.
Claudia's decision NOT to opt-in was
mainly due to direction she received from
her agent. HOWEVER, either way, she
had already waited weeks after the fact
without a contract and in limbo. For that
she should be commended.
In retrospect, when you watch the end of
season four and then SLEEPING IN LIGHT,
CLaudia's departure actually did nothing
whatsoever to her plotline. It all worked
out pretty much. Sure we would have loved
to see her in season five, but we can't have
everything. Blame the networks that keep
messing with B5 every single season.
WILL JP - Dateline: Babylon-5
http://webcs.com/b5
Adam Bailey
>Ma`el <maelt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Hold that thought...
>>
>>I've read a transcript of the same article, and will go find the source later
>>today, but I didn't come to the same conclusion as you.
>
>one really knows.
Everyone knows, both issues are quite clear. Kilner was fired. Christian
quit. No mystery in either case.
--
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james evans
under and most primetime syndicated channels opted out of B5 for its final
season. TNT had hastily snapped it up before it was even clear that the 5th
season would even be produced as they purchased the series earlier seasons
for repeat broadcast on their channel, the taking over of funding for the
5th season pretty much came at the last moment and struck everyone with
apoplexy. It was no surprise that something like this would happen. No one
else wanted to go but everyone on the series respected Claudia's decision
and humbly let her go, hoping to see her again someday perhaps in a episode.
They were not disappointed, as she reprised her role in the series finale.
TNT was the series savior and then its biggest let down as they agreed on
Crusade and then dropped the ball due to lack of interest issues within the
TNT camp. Due to fan interest and potential for Crusade it has now been
re-implemented as a TNT series and will debut this summer. And as for
Claudia, life goes on and perhaps we will see her again in Crusade.
LiveWebcs wrote in message <19990422221009...@ng-cf1.aol.com>...
>>This sounds like another Claudia Christian situation. Fired, quit, no
Joe Rosa
ended. JMS thought the show wasn't going to be picked up, so he shot the ending
then. Then used it at the end of the series.
The Shadows
after the 5th season.
The Shadows
Joe Rosa wrote in message <37213C20...@barnwellsc.com>...
Forde Prigot
james evans wrote:
> Heard and agreed. It was a blow to me when I found out that PTEN was going
> under and most primetime syndicated channels opted out of B5 for its final
> season. TNT had hastily snapped it up before it was even clear that the 5th
> season would even be produced as they purchased the series earlier seasons
> for repeat broadcast on their channel, the taking over of funding for the
> 5th season pretty much came at the last moment and struck everyone with
> apoplexy. It was no surprise that something like this would happen. No one
> else wanted to go but everyone on the series respected Claudia's decision
> and humbly let her go, hoping to see her again someday perhaps in a episode.
> They were not disappointed, as she reprised her role in the series finale.
> TNT was the series savior and then its biggest let down as they agreed on
> Crusade and then dropped the ball due to lack of interest issues within the
> TNT camp. Due to fan interest and potential for Crusade it has now been
> re-implemented as a TNT series and will debut this summer. And as for
> Claudia, life goes on and perhaps we will see her again in Crusade.
>
Err, misinformation abounds in your post. People were pissed that she left,
I remember seeing very different info coming out of the
bab 5 people and Claudia. It wasn't really amicable, BTW
Crusade has not been reimplemented, what TNT is doing is playing
the episodes they paid for and produced. If there is a whole lot of interest
in the series(big ass ratings) the series may live but it is doubltful.
Take a look at aint-it-cool-news.com for a better picture of the situation.
Ma`el
In the spring of 1997, J. Michael Straczynski (JMS), was making plans to wrap
his creation, "Babylon 5", a year early due to lack of support from the show's
owner, Warner Bros. TV. That spring (April, if memory serves?) he filmed
"Sleeping in Light", which was the final episode he'd planned for the *series*.
Right afterward (April-May), he filmed two of the made-for-TV-movies, "In The
Beginning" and "Thirdspace".
In July of that year, Claudia separated from the effort. Shortly after that, a
new agreement involving TNT was secured, and production began on a fifth
season. That season's episodes began airing in November 1997 without Ivanova
but with a new character named Locksley.
In January 1998, "In The Beginning" aired, which showed Claudia as Ivanova. In
July 98 "Thirdspace" aired (my addled brain can't recall if Ivanova was involved
or not). The *series* finale, "Sleeping in Light", aired in October or November
98, and showed Ivanova.
I've left out the filming of "River of Souls" and "A Call to Arms" in 1998 as
they were filmed well after Claudia was out of the picture.
And if I've made any outright boo-boos, I'm sure someone will correct me.
The Shadows wrote:
> She did reprise her role in one of the movies, however. That was filmed
> after the 5th season.
>
> The Shadows
>
> Joe Rosa wrote in message <37213C20...@barnwellsc.com>...
> >She didn't reprise her role. That episode was shot a year before the show
> >ended. JMS thought the show wasn't going to be picked up, so he shot the
> ending
> >then. Then used it at the end of the series.
> >
> >james evans wrote:
> >
> >> Heard and agreed. It was a blow to me when I found out that PTEN was
> going
> >> under and most primetime syndicated channels opted out of B5 for its
> final
> >> season. TNT had hastily snapped it up before it was even clear that the
> 5th
> >> season would even be produced as they purchased the series earlier
> seasons
> >> for repeat broadcast on their channel, the taking over of funding for the
> >> 5th season pretty much came at the last moment and struck everyone with
> >> apoplexy. It was no surprise that something like this would happen. No
> one
> >> else wanted to go but everyone on the series respected Claudia's decision
> >> and humbly let her go, hoping to see her again someday perhaps in a
> episode.
> >> They were not disappointed, as she reprised her role in the series
> finale.
> >> TNT was the series savior and then its biggest let down as they agreed on
> >> Crusade and then dropped the ball due to lack of interest issues within
> the
> >> TNT camp. Due to fan interest and potential for Crusade it has now been
> >> re-implemented as a TNT series and will debut this summer. And as for
> >> Claudia, life goes on and perhaps we will see her again in Crusade.
> >>
--
an...@nospam.com
>
>Everyone knows, both issues are quite clear. Kilner was fired. Christian
>quit. No mystery in either case.
Except Claudia says she didn't quit.
james evans
usually scan Starlog, SciFi Weekly for up to date news. From what I have
read on the TNT website, there is no indication that only purchased episodes
will be shown, but that is one of the vagaries of dealing with supposed
first party sources. In addition to that my note about Claudia leaving was
based on an interview with some of the actors shown on TNT during the
premiere of the series, I am sure there were others in the production team
that were pissed but again I am telling it as I heard it. No intentions to
be faulty just telling it as I hear it.
Sorry.
LessXTreme
>read on the TNT website, there is no indication that only purchased episodes
>will be shown, but that is one of the vagaries of dealing with supposed
>first party sources.
I'm sure there isn't-but Straczinski has said publicly that as it is, there
will be only the 13 episodes previously made shown. I kinda doubt TNT will put
accurate info about what happened on their website. It isn't really in their
interest to say, "We wanted to gut the show, but JMS wouldn't let us, so we'll
just air the 13 episodes he did agree to produce."
Zima Teddybear
Fired. Forced to quit. What's the difference? Why would Claudia want to
work on a show that pretty much dead-ended her role ever since Talia left?
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Zima Teddybear
<TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>The sex and violence directives sure sound familiar....hmm...Babylon 5's
>spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
>and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
The more likely scenario is that JMS is inflexible and won't allow different
opinions when he writes *his show*. The title of the first episode of season
5 indicates this. JMS even mentions this in the Lurker's Guide.
Zima Teddybear
(TBrush1090) wrote:
[snip all of the statements that are correct]
>(Most of the comic-bookish sex and violence that "dumbified" EFC in the second
>season was the work of the new producer Jonas McCord, who has since been sacked
>and will not be involved in the third season.)
Do viewers still believe this? They're naive if they do. WHO hired Jonas
McCord? If they opposed the way he made the show why did they allow it in
the first place? Why do they say he was to blame later in the season when
they went along with it in the first place? But let's see what PR job Rami
will tell us...
The Shadows
The Shadows
Zima Teddybear wrote in message <7g9iq0$8u5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <NMJS2.243$ae....@news.flash.net>, "The Shadows"
><TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>
>>The sex and violence directives sure sound familiar....hmm...Babylon 5's
>>spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
>>and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
>
>The more likely scenario is that JMS is inflexible and won't allow
different
>opinions when he writes *his show*. The title of the first episode of
season
>5 indicates this. JMS even mentions this in the Lurker's Guide.
>
R Lindberg / E Winnie
> In article <37220e59...@news.earthlink.net>, an...@nospam.com wrote:
>
> >On 23 Apr 1999 18:04:08 GMT, ad...@lull.org (Adam Bailey) wrote:
>
> >Except Claudia says she didn't quit.
>
> Fired. Forced to quit. What's the difference? Why would Claudia want
> to work on a show that pretty much dead-ended her role ever since Talia
> left?
I suspect you don't have much knowledge about JMS's plans for her in
season 5, where she was going to have to deal with someone DYING just to
keep her alive, someone she knew loved her. Might have been interesting.
She wanted to be a major player in the season, with a guaranty as to the
number of episodes she would be in, and a guaranty as to having time off
to do other projects. Part of the problem was she wanted to be a
'star', while B-5 was an ensemble show. JMS has said several times that he
had trap-doors setup to allow him to work-around any actors departure.
They couldn't give what she wanted, so she didn't sign up for year-5.
Were her demands unreasonable, maybe, who knows.
Also, if you are paying attention in late season 1 and early season 2,
you see JMS preparing to write Talia out.
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R Lindberg / E Winnie
> In article <NMJS2.243$ae....@news.flash.net>, "The Shadows"
> <TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>
> >The sex and violence directives sure sound familiar....hmm...Babylon 5's
> >spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
> >and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
>
> The more likely scenario is that JMS is inflexible and won't allow different
> opinions when he writes *his show*. The title of the first episode of season
> 5 indicates this. JMS even mentions this in the Lurker's Guide.
If you want to get some 'inside' information about what probably
actually happened look up Crusade at Ain't It Cool News. As I recall TNT
wanted more action (vis sex and violence) and JMS wanted a more mental
show.
You can see more evidence of the continuing breakdown in the
relationship between JMS and TNT, with TNT pulling B-5 in May.
Adam Bailey
> ad...@lull.org (Adam Bailey) wrote:
>> Everyone knows, both issues are quite clear. Kilner was fired.
>> Christian quit. No mystery in either case.
>
Incorrect. Try again. She finally admitted it in an interview some
time back. Search rastb5 for the posts.
--
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ada...@aol.com | confidence." - George Bernard Shaw
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Zima Teddybear
R Lindberg / E Winnie <rlin...@kendaco.telebyte.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Zima Teddybear wrote:
>>In article <37220e59...@news.earthlink.net>, an...@nospam.com wrote:
>>>On 23 Apr 1999 18:04:08 GMT, ad...@lull.org (Adam Bailey) wrote:
>>>Except Claudia says she didn't quit.
>>Fired. Forced to quit. What's the difference? Why would Claudia want
>>to work on a show that pretty much dead-ended her role ever since Talia
>>left?
> I suspect you don't have much knowledge about JMS's plans for her in
>season 5, where she was going to have to deal with someone DYING just to
>keep her alive, someone she knew loved her. Might have been interesting.
With the way the story went in season 5 she made the right move. She would
have been fawning over Byron because he reminded her of Marcus. While she
certainly could have added to the show with her performance the whole plot
would still be stupid. And we'd have all the shampoo, candle, and peep
comments to go along with it. Plus the ever subtle Drahk plot.
> She wanted to be a major player in the season, with a guaranty as to the
>number of episodes she would be in, and a guaranty as to having time off to do
>other projects. Part of the problem was she wanted to be a 'star', while B-5
>was an ensemble show. JMS has said several times that he had trap-doors setup
>to allow him to work-around any actors departure.
She was already a mojor player, among others, in the rest of the series. She
was in some financial trouble, plus she got in a car accident, and wanted the
extra work. JMS and TNT executives were offended by a Variety article which
showed that she was looking for other work. Of course, they got offended by
this and started dicking around with her.
> They couldn't give what she wanted, so she didn't sign up for year-5.
>Were her demands unreasonable, maybe, who knows.
She must have known they would never meet her demands due to the contract she
signed. I suspect that she made these impossible demands to avoid signing
the contract and then being denied leaving the show to do a movie. But
whatever the reason she's better off not working for JMS.
> Also, if you are paying attention in late season 1 and early season 2,
>you see JMS preparing to write Talia out.
I see Talia's long arc being set up for season 4 or 5. What good did
revealing her sleeper personality do at that point in the series? Nothing
was done with it anyway. And what about the gay relationship JMS was setting
up? We have subtle hints at it in seasons 1 and 2 but only in the final
episode of Talia did he explicitly show it. Ivanova was pretty much dried up
as far as that was concerned. All these *trap doors* sunk the plot along
with them.
Zima Teddybear
<TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>Zima Teddybear wrote in message <7g9iq0$8u5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>In article <NMJS2.243$ae....@news.flash.net>, "The Shadows"
>><TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>>>The sex and violence directives sure sound familiar....hmm...Babylon 5's
>>>spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
>>>and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
>>The more likely scenario is that JMS is inflexible and won't allow different
>>opinions when he writes *his show*. The title of the first episode of season
>>5 indicates this. JMS even mentions this in the Lurker's Guide.
>So, what is wrong with that? It IS his story.
Nothing at all. If he wants to be inflexible and write crap that is his call.
Zima Teddybear
R Lindberg / E Winnie <rlin...@kendaco.telebyte.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Zima Teddybear wrote:
>>In article <NMJS2.243$ae....@news.flash.net>, "The Shadows"
>><TheSh...@psicorps.com> wrote:
>>>The sex and violence directives sure sound familiar....hmm...Babylon 5's
>>>spinoff Crusade received the same ultimatum and JMS chose to take his ball
>>>and go home.....Wonder if Gene were still here what he would do???
>>The more likely scenario is that JMS is inflexible and won't allow different
>>opinions when he writes *his show*. The title of the first episode of season
>>5 indicates this. JMS even mentions this in the Lurker's Guide.
> If you want to get some 'inside' information about what probably actually
>happened look up Crusade at Ain't It Cool News. As I recall TNT wanted more
>action (vis sex and violence) and JMS wanted a more mental show.
For mental cases. :=) Ain't It Cool News is not unbiased when it comes to
B5. I'd like to hear TNT's side of the story as well as JMS'. JMS says they
wanted more sex and violence, which may be true, but B5's last season was not
very exiting or entertaining. We heard boring speaches from Byron, Days of
Our Lives type of plots with Garabaldi and Lockley, and some of the worst
filler episodes ever on B5 like the episode with the two dock workers (which
JMS wrote petty comments about Claudia Christian). More sex and violence on
a show that thrives on exposition alone (season 5 that is) is a good sign.
> You can see more evidence of the continuing breakdown in the relationship
>between JMS and TNT, with TNT pulling B-5 in May.
Good for them. B5 has bit the dust. I'll bet Lost in Space has more fans
that this show does.
Zima Teddybear
wrote:
>an...@nospam.com wrote:
>>ad...@lull.org (Adam Bailey) wrote:
>>>Everyone knows, both issues are quite clear. Kilner was fired.
>>>Christian quit. No mystery in either case.
>>Except Claudia says she didn't quit.
>Incorrect. Try again. She finally admitted it in an interview some time back.
>Search rastb5 for the posts.
Coerced into quitting.
Zortoye
series. He basically lacked some qualities that would make him more
appealing. I think its kinda due to his acting...he kinda came across a little
boring and monotonous in the serious. I remember he was in Almost Perfect but
got fired from the series due to his lack of chemistry with the female lead..
Some people might've liked Kilner due to his good looks, but the leading actor
should be able to hold the attention of his audience beyond his good looks.
This isn't baywatch.
Randy Sweeney
character)
Boone was a cool reserved guy, he wasn't the kind to fly of the handle.
As for female lead chemistry, are we talking about Da'an? I thought that
Boone's interaction with Da'an was fabulously complex. If you are talking
about Lili, I never thought that the two of them would get involved, more of
a professional relationship.
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Boone. Others liked Kilner because of his ability to play his character
and hate Leeshock because of his inability to portray Liam. However,
opinions are very different on Kilnder's acting ability.
B. Dutka-Menges
incredible. The Boone/Da'an relationship was completely fascinating.
>This isn't baywatch.
With Leeshock there, it certainly is now. He can't act at all & was
apparently brought in because his ECQ was higher with young girls.
Remember, the new target market's median age is 14-15.
Mbeckler
before he takes big actions. And I defently did not think he played his character
well because he looked good. I just think he protrayed his character well.
Matt
Randy Sweeney
stare...
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> Zortoye wrote:
>
> > I never felt that Kevin had a real personality for hsi character in the
> > series. He basically lacked some qualities that would make him more
> > appealing. I think its kinda due to his acting...he kinda came across a little
> > boring and monotonous in the serious. I remember he was in Almost Perfect but
> > got fired from the series due to his lack of chemistry with the female lead..
> >
I agree the sex became comic-bookish with the Augur / Lilly hologram... bleah!
The show had so much premise... and could have been a very intelligent sharp show if they kept the quality of season one.
Webbie
Caleb Kuester
> season 5 of EFC is painful to watch is all I gotta say
"Hey I had no idea you guys could spontaneously turn into crystals!"
"Yea neither did the bad guys, so it's all good. We good to forget this ever happened?"
"Yea I guess. I still have questions though."
"You know... I wouldn't dwell on this. You've somehow had plot armor for 3 seasons and the fate of humanity so far has relied on the fact that nobody has discovered that you're working against your employers, which would have been obvious this whole time had anybody once questioned your whereabouts on any given day."
"Fair enough. You forget. I forget Let's just make something explode."
"Agreed."
As an aside, this is still as good as it got in the 1990s for TV shows.