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Steve Walker

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Was just wondering: I know that Dief was originally played by Lincoln,
but halfway through DS' run, he changed to Draco. But I don't know why
- did anything happen to the original Dief?

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Elyse

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In article <Rq5AMgAn...@btinternet.com>, Steve Walker
<skwa...@btinternet.com> writes:

>Was just wondering: I know that Dief was originally played by Lincoln,
>but halfway through DS' run, he changed to Draco. But I don't know why
>- did anything happen to the original Dief?

WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the dog.
Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they got
in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.


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Jen R.

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>WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the
>dog.
>Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they
>got
>in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.
>

He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say about
that one.....


Jen R. keeper of: Fraser's logic, RayV's street smarts and cynicism, RayK's
instinct and craziness(I mean that in a good way!) and the need all three have
for a friend. (and there's more stuff)


MARYEKELCH

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>
>>WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the
>>dog.
>>Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they
>>got
>>in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.
>>
>
>He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say
>about
>that one.....

Yeah, I think I heard something about Lincoln demanding $1 million per episode
and script approval and Paul got a little concerned that Lincoln was scheming
for Paul's job as 'top dog.' So, Paul got rid of the competition.

Coulda just been a rumor, though, so don't quote me.

MaryK

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Jen R.

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>Yeah, I think I heard something about Lincoln demanding $1 million per
>episode
>and script approval and Paul got a little concerned that Lincoln was scheming
>for Paul's job as 'top dog.' So, Paul got rid of the competition.
>

LOL thats the polite version of what I wanted to say.....

Longshanks

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MARYEKELCH wrote:

> >He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say
> >about
> >that one.....
>

> Yeah, I think I heard something about Lincoln demanding $1 million per episode
> and script approval and Paul got a little concerned that Lincoln was scheming
> for Paul's job as 'top dog.' So, Paul got rid of the competition.

Also, Paul didn't like the way that Lincoln chewed the scenery.

Ed Wilson
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MARYEKELCH

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I wrote:
>> Yeah, I think I heard something about Lincoln demanding $1 million per
>episode
>> and script approval and Paul got a little concerned that Lincoln was
>scheming
>> for Paul's job as 'top dog.' So, Paul got rid of the competition.

Ed added:


>Also, Paul didn't like the way that Lincoln chewed the scenery.

Probably stole all his Kit-Kats, too.

MaryK

Annie Keitz

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On 08 May 2000 01:20:22 GMT, roht...@aol.com (Jen R.) wrote:

>>WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the
>>dog.
>>Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they
>>got
>>in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.
>>
>

>He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say about
>that one.....

It's not so much that he fired the dog but he fired the trainers.
Lincoln was a show dog not a stunt dog and his trainers came from the
show dog circuit. Lincoln got the nickname Overtime because his lack
of proper training caused the crew to work a lot of it.

The dog that replaced Lincoln was raised as a stunt/acting dog and was
acclimated to the acting life from early puppyhood on.

Paul E. Jamison

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In article <39164720...@home.com>,
Longshanks <longs...@home.com> wrote:

> >
> MARYEKELCH wrote:
>
> > >He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want
to say
> > >about
> > >that one.....
> >
> > Yeah, I think I heard something about Lincoln demanding $1 million
per episode
> > and script approval and Paul got a little concerned that Lincoln was
scheming
> > for Paul's job as 'top dog.' So, Paul got rid of the competition.
>
> Also, Paul didn't like the way that Lincoln chewed the scenery.
>
Does that mean Paul wouldn't want to work with Richard Harris?

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Elyse

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>>He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say
>about
>>that one.....

In article <tlfdhsku6rret47s0...@4ax.com>, Annie Keitz
<ke...@his.com> writes:

>It's not so much that he fired the dog but he fired the trainers.
>Lincoln was a show dog not a stunt dog and his trainers came from the
>show dog circuit. Lincoln got the nickname Overtime because his lack
>of proper training caused the crew to work a lot of it.

Paul Gross actually said on the DINI PETTY show, "I fired the dog." What is
really strange is during the first season or so, PG praised the dog (in fact,
he had great things to say about him on an IRC log immortalized on the web).
It's true his nickname became Overtime but then lots of actors cause overtime
as well and at least he didn't try to rewrite the scripts <G>. I've always
liked Lincoln's 'acting' better; he stood out in Wild Bunch. Alas, third season
Dief really didn't have any true highlighted shows like that. :(

To my knowledge, Lincoln was never a show dog. He was bought and trained
specifically for DS. He's now enjoying himself at home.

>The dog that replaced Lincoln was raised as a stunt/acting dog and was
>acclimated to the acting life from early puppyhood on.

He was an actor, not a stunt dog. (gee, can you really say that about animals?)
He didn't do stunts (neither did Lincoln). In fact, the bitches (ack! eek!) -
female dogs - did all the stunts on DS. Each 'Dief' did acting, but had a
plethora of other dogs to do long shots, stunts, etc. Draco's sister Cinder did
his stunts, and Kaeri-Anne helped do the stunts in the other seasons.

The one thing I did notice about Draco is something you can spot on the show;
he tends to follow hands (looking for treats). For a truly spectacular blooper,
watch the third season ep with Stella and her boyfriend, Frank Orsini. While
they are in teh backseat of a car being driven by Stan, you can see Dief in the
back seat between Frank and Stella. However, focus your eyes closer and you can
see Rick Parker, the trainer, waving his arms to try to catch the dog's
attention to have him do certain things. I crack up everytime I see it, and I
figure rather than reshoot the scene, the producers figured nobody would really
notice it...

Steve Walker

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In article <20000507180803...@nso-cq.aol.com>, Elyse
<jrd...@aol.comNOSPAM> writes

>In article <Rq5AMgAn...@btinternet.com>, Steve Walker
><skwa...@btinternet.com> writes:
>
>>Was just wondering: I know that Dief was originally played by Lincoln,
>>but halfway through DS' run, he changed to Draco. But I don't know why
>>- did anything happen to the original Dief?
>
>WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the dog.
>Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they got
>in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.

Did he say why?

BTW, loved your website!


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ABainger

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Wasn't Lincoln actually owned by Paul Haggis' brother - his dog had had puppies
(or had caused another dog to be '"with child" and lil Lincoln was one of them?
I remember something about that quite clearly...but correct me if I'm wrong.

A.Bainger (Ali).

LadyShoes

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Elyse wrote:

> Paul Gross actually said on the DINI PETTY show, "I fired the dog." What
is
really strange is during the first season or so, PG praised the dog>

That was probably before he'd seen the budget figures for the overtime
Lincoln caused!

LS

Jen R.

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>Wasn't Lincoln actually owned by Paul Haggis' brother -

I think that was the dog from the pilot movie.....

Annie Keitz

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On 08 May 2000 23:40:54 GMT, jrd...@aol.comNOSPAM (Elyse) wrote:
>>>He actually fired the dog? Ok I'm not gonna say what I really want to say
>>about
>>>that one.....
>
>In article <tlfdhsku6rret47s0...@4ax.com>, Annie Keitz
><ke...@his.com> writes:
>
>>It's not so much that he fired the dog but he fired the trainers.
>>Lincoln was a show dog not a stunt dog and his trainers came from the
>>show dog circuit. Lincoln got the nickname Overtime because his lack
>>of proper training caused the crew to work a lot of it.
>
>Paul Gross actually said on the DINI PETTY show, "I fired the dog." What is
>really strange is during the first season or so, PG praised the dog (in fact,
>he had great things to say about him on an IRC log immortalized on the web).
>It's true his nickname became Overtime but then lots of actors cause overtime
>as well and at least he didn't try to rewrite the scripts <G>. I've always
>liked Lincoln's 'acting' better; he stood out in Wild Bunch. Alas, third season
>Dief really didn't have any true highlighted shows like that. :(

Gross fired both but in reality if the trainers had handled things
differently I doubt they would have gotten fired. Acting/stunt Dogs &
Wranglers work as a team. Sure he praised Lincoln during the first two
seasons, it's not very professional to dis your coworkers when you
have to continue working with them.

Lots of actors are "trouble" -- those actors do often find themselves
fired, especially if they aren't Richard Burton quality actors and
sometimes even if they are. Happened to Brett Butler and Burt Reyonds.
How many actors have to be kept on leash all the time because they
can't obey a command to stay?

>To my knowledge, Lincoln was never a show dog. He was bought and trained
>specifically for DS. He's now enjoying himself at home.

He was selected as a teenager and was living in a pet home at about 8
months old I think, not as an 6-8 week old puppy. So critical
training time was lost (This was noted on a feature that a local
Toronto TV station did on Due South back in the first season). This
wasn't exactly a breed with the intelligence and eager to please
mentality of say a border collie, poodle or Jack Russell Terrier (like
Moose on Fraiser <g>) so training Lincoln was probably an uphill
battle.

The Haggis family raised dogs for the show ring, not for stunt work.
This was their very first job in the "biz" -- apparently it wasn't
supposed to be a long gig, they had originally planned to kill off
Deif a few episodes in but CBS got too much fan mail for Deif so he
was kept.

>>The dog that replaced Lincoln was raised as a stunt/acting dog and was
>>acclimated to the acting life from early puppyhood on.
>
>He was an actor, not a stunt dog. (gee, can you really say that about animals?)
>He didn't do stunts (neither did Lincoln). In fact, the bitches (ack! eek!) -
>female dogs - did all the stunts on DS. Each 'Dief' did acting, but had a
>plethora of other dogs to do long shots, stunts, etc. Draco's sister Cinder did
>his stunts, and Kaeri-Anne helped do the stunts in the other seasons.

He was raised around the sets so that he was used to things and didn't
run away when the director yelled action. He rarely needed a second
take but OTOH was always ready on cue to do so if another actor messed
up the first take. All the dogs are "stunt" dogs in that they all are
trained to do stunts, yea the bitches do the heavy stunt work <g> --
The guys get to do the easy stuff because male dogs have prettier
coats than the females.

>The one thing I did notice about Draco is something you can spot on the show;
>he tends to follow hands (looking for treats). For a truly spectacular blooper,
>watch the third season ep with Stella and her boyfriend, Frank Orsini. While
>they are in teh backseat of a car being driven by Stan, you can see Dief in the
>back seat between Frank and Stella. However, focus your eyes closer and you can
>see Rick Parker, the trainer, waving his arms to try to catch the dog's
>attention to have him do certain things. I crack up everytime I see it, and I
>figure rather than reshoot the scene, the producers figured nobody would really
>notice it...

Of course Draco does, he was likely trained with treats -- that's
common gentle training method. A friend of mine who trains dogs for
obedience trials does that. I bet we're seeing Draco look to Rick
Parker for his cues, in every Draco scene he's off camera telling him
what to do, like most animal wranglers do for TV and film.

Roxy

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Annie Keitz <ke...@his.com> wrote in message

> He was selected as a teenager and was living in a pet home at about 8
> months old I think, not as an 6-8 week old puppy. So critical
> training time was lost (This was noted on a feature that a local
> Toronto TV station did on Due South back in the first season). This
> wasn't exactly a breed with the intelligence and eager to please
> mentality of say a border collie, poodle or Jack Russell Terrier (like
> Moose on Fraiser <g>) so training Lincoln was probably an uphill
> battle.

(I am not flaming here!!! <G>. Just giving my opinion of working with Si's.)

I must defend the Si here somewhat <G>. I own a Siberian Husky named Drake
(I often curse the ground he walks on <G>). We competed him in obedience and
agility (still competing). While Si's aren't as *smart as Border's they are
extreamly intelligent, but also very independant (trait of Nordic breeds).
This independance can be mistaken for dumbness. They don't like to do the
same thing over and over again. They will fetch once. After that they look
at you like "I already got that once, you go get it this time." So you are
right in saying it is an uphill battle getting a Si to do acting work. If
the scene wasn't done in one take, well too bad in the eye's of a Si. I
also wouldn't want to work with a Jack Russell or a Border. Talk about high
strung! Now the Poodle IMO would be a joy to work with (my next dog <G>).


>
> The Haggis family raised dogs for the show ring, not for stunt work.
> This was their very first job in the "biz" -- apparently it wasn't
> supposed to be a long gig, they had originally planned to kill off
> Deif a few episodes in but CBS got too much fan mail for Deif so he
> was kept.


can you imagine the heart ache that episode would have caused? And imagine
the fanfic!


. All the dogs are "stunt" dogs in that they all are
> trained to do stunts, yea the bitches do the heavy stunt work <g> --
> The guys get to do the easy stuff because male dogs have prettier
> coats than the females.

and then there is the fact that females (in general) are easier to train and
more willing to work with you <G>.


> Of course Draco does, he was likely trained with treats -- that's
> common gentle training method. A friend of mine who trains dogs for
> obedience trials does that. I bet we're seeing Draco look to Rick
> Parker for his cues, in every Draco scene he's off camera telling him
> what to do, like most animal wranglers do for TV and film.
>

We train with treats. I always notice in shows that the dogs are looking at
a trainer and following food <G>.

roxy

--
Keeper of Dief's junk food (as long as I don't eat any)
and Fraser's hummmmmm's
and the air-broom


ABainger

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Oh it was? Oh darn! And there was lil ole me getting quite excited at the
prospect of actually contributing something with hopeful interest.
Hmmm.

Well, ho hum...

A. Bainger (Ali).

Annie Keitz

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On 09 May 2000 10:03:13 GMT, roht...@aol.com (Jen R.) wrote:

>>Wasn't Lincoln actually owned by Paul Haggis' brother -
>
>I think that was the dog from the pilot movie.....

Actually Lincoln *was* owned by Ted and Joey Haggis, Ted being Paul
Haggis' father and Joey his sister....


Elyse

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In article <20000508202753...@ng-fz1.aol.com>, abai...@aol.com
(ABainger) writes:

Lincoln is owned by Ted Haggis, Paul Haggis' father. Kaeri-Anne's the one who
had puppies (might be tough for Lincoln, a guy, to have puppies <G>). Joey
Haggis, Paul's sister, helped train Lincoln. Last I heard she was doing work on
FAMILY LAW.

~~~~~~


Steve said:
">WEll.......... Paul Gross said on the Dini Petty show that he 'fired' the
dog.
>Yup, Lincoln (aka Dief in seasons one/two) got a pink slip :( And then they
got
>in Draco, the new Dief, for the last season.

/Did he say why?

As I recall, on the DINI PETTY show, Dini asked about LIncoln and PG sorta
laughed and said "I fired the dog." Part of the rumors going around was that it
was budgetary, but he never came out in the press and said why.

/BTW, loved your website!"?

Danke! We've also got pages on both Lincoln and Draco there as well, and the
other dogs used on DS.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jen R inquired:


">Wasn't Lincoln actually owned by Paul Haggis' brother -

I think that was the dog from the pilot movie....."

The first dog, Newman, was owned by a trainer in California. He was invited to
join the show but the owner declined, so they then went out, got a husky, named
him Lincoln, and the rest is history <G>.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
AK said:

/Gross fired both but in reality if the trainers had handled things differently


I doubt they would have gotten fired. Acting/stunt Dogs & Wranglers work as a
team. Sure he praised Lincoln during the first two seasons, it's not very
professional to dis your coworkers when you have to continue working with them.

/

Alas, since the US was privy to about two interviews with the DS cast, we heard
barely a thing, but I know in various Canuck interviews, PG did call Lincoln
'overtime.' And he joked about it a lot, just as he joked about DM and CKR
after DS was over as well...

/Lots of actors are "trouble" -- those actors do often find themselves


fired, especially if they aren't Richard Burton quality actors and
sometimes even if they are. Happened to Brett Butler and Burt Reyonds.
How many actors have to be kept on leash all the time because they

can't obey a command to stay? /

Probably 75% of them. Most actors are only as good as their last production and
only a very few can really mess up royally and keep going. It all depends on
how much the public loves them in their movies/shows and can ignore their
messed-up personal lives (unless the fans also like the tabloid fodder). Some
of them still sell films even if they're tossed in jail. Go figure.

re Lincoln
/ This wasn't exactly a breed with the intelligence and eager to please


mentality of say a border collie, poodle or Jack Russell Terrier (like
Moose on Fraiser <g>) so training Lincoln was probably an uphill

battle./

Siberian Huskys can be difficult to train, but no other dog could impersonate a
wolf (except a German Shepherd mixture of sorts, if you want a faux timber
wolf). Huskys are great dogs and an excellent working breed, but they require a
lot of work. Personally, I think the Jack Russells are overdone (as in
overexposed) on TV, and they tend to do a lot less working than Lincoln or
Draco did. Ah, for the good old days of just plain old mutts... but Hollywood
is stuck in a rut with trendy pooches.

/He was raised around the sets so that he was used to things and didn't run


away when the director yelled action. He rarely needed a second take but OTOH
was always ready on cue to do so if another actor messed up the first take.

All the dogs are "stunt" dogs in that they all are trained to do stunts, yea
the bitches do the heavy stunt work <g> -- The guys get to do the easy stuff

because male dogs have prettier coats than the females./

Lincoln didn't do stunts, and Draco didn't do the big ones either. Just like
with actors, you let the stunt guys do the stunts as well, they're more
replaceable.... I'm not sure if male huskies are prettier than females; a
husky owner would need to verify that, but Draco did have a thinner face than
his sister, and if you put them together, you could tell them apart easily.
Plus there was a difference in coloration as well.

>The one thing I did notice about Draco is something you can spot on the show;
>he tends to follow hands (looking for treats).

/Of course Draco does, he was likely trained with treats -- that's common


gentle training method. A friend of mine who trains dogs for obedience trials
does that. I bet we're seeing Draco look to Rick Parker for his cues, in every
Draco scene he's off camera telling him what to do, like most animal wranglers

do for TV and film. /

Oh yup, that's how trainers all work, but it seemed more evident that he was
trained that way. I was watching a DS ep at a con a couple years back and
someone said, 'did they smear PG's hand with peanut butter?' as Draco was
nearly glued to it. I think that was because Draco was rushed through training
to meet the deadline for filming.

But overall, both dogs were good, but my preference, for acting, is Lincoln.

Steve Walker

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In article <20000509142127...@ng-bd1.aol.com>, ABainger
<abai...@aol.com> writes

On the soundtrack CD, I'm sure they mention Lincoln as being trained by
somebody Haggis (I remember because it's an unusual name so I assumed it
must be a relative of PH) - will try to remember to check later.

Cheers,

LadyShoes

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Steve wrote:

> On the soundtrack CD, I'm sure they mention Lincoln as being trained by
somebody Haggis (I remember because it's an unusual name so I assumed it
must be a relative of PH)>

Anybody know why Paul Haggis sacked Frankie - the malamute who appeared in
the Pilot?
He was a great dog, but looked completely different from the later Diefs.

LS

Lillian Feden

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In article <8fc9g3$js8$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>, "LadyShoes"

No idea about the original dog (looked more wolf-like, didn't
he?), but by any chance is Steve referring to Joey Haggis, who
trained Lincoln? It's a boy's name, but belongs to a woman.

If the original dog is a Malamute, they're notoriously hard to
train, aren't they? I used to read mysteries by Susan Conant (I
think), and she's always saying that (she owns and trains
Malamutes). I think I heard that on one of my favorite
networks, Animal Planet, too.

Lillian
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On Wed, 10 May 2000 18:58:36 +0100, "LadyShoes"
<Car...@londonSW16.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>
>Steve wrote:
>
>> On the soundtrack CD, I'm sure they mention Lincoln as being trained by
>somebody Haggis (I remember because it's an unusual name so I assumed it
>must be a relative of PH)>
>
>Anybody know why Paul Haggis sacked Frankie - the malamute who appeared in
>the Pilot?
>He was a great dog, but looked completely different from the later Diefs.

I'd heard that Frankie and his owner lived in Los Angeles and didn't
want to move to Toronto for a whole series....

Lillian Feden

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In article <20000509193746...@nso-me.aol.com>,

jrd...@aol.comNOSPAM (Elyse) wrote:
>AK said:
>
>/Gross fired both but in reality if the trainers had handled
things differently
>I doubt they would have gotten fired. Acting/stunt Dogs &
Wranglers work as a
>team. Sure he praised Lincoln during the first two seasons,
it's not very
>professional to dis your coworkers when you have to continue
working with them.
> /
>
>Alas, since the US was privy to about two interviews with the
DS cast, we heard
>barely a thing, but I know in various Canuck interviews, PG did
call Lincoln
>'overtime.' And he joked about it a lot, just as he joked about
DM and CKR
>after DS was over as well...

At RCW in 1998 David Marciano said that Lincoln was rather
dumb. He described how they had to toss the dog at someone when
he was supposed to jump on them in the episode with the baby
(damn, forgot the episode title). He also told this story in
one of the official books.

>How many actors have to be kept on leash all the time because
they
>can't obey a command to stay? /
>
>Probably 75% of them. Most actors are only as good as their
last production and
>only a very few can really mess up royally and keep going. It
all depends on
>how much the public loves them in their movies/shows and can
ignore their
>messed-up personal lives (unless the fans also like the tabloid
fodder). Some
>of them still sell films even if they're tossed in jail. Go
figure.

I think that Annie was referring to Lincoln's habit of running
off every time he heard the word "Action." PG mentioned this in
one of the Pamela Wallen interviews. I don't think she was
speaking figuratively about human actors.

Lillian

Elyse

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In article <becjhs43h61j6ut7j...@4ax.com>, Annie Keitz
<ke...@his.com> writes:

>I'd heard that Frankie and his owner lived in Los Angeles and didn't
>want to move to Toronto for a whole series....
>

The dog's name was not Frankie, it was Newman (for his blue eyes <G>), and the
owner/trainer didn't wish to relocate to Toronto for the series.

Roxy

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Lillian Feden <lillian...@feden.com.invalid> wrote in

> If the original dog is a Malamute, they're notoriously hard to
> train, aren't they? I used to read mysteries by Susan Conant (I
> think), and she's always saying that (she owns and trains
> Malamutes). I think I heard that on one of my favorite
> networks, Animal Planet, too.
>
> Lillian
> lillianatfedendotcom

I have read some of Conant's books because she writes about her Malamute's.
I have a book of dog quotes and such and one of them compares a Malamute's
intelligence to a river rock, but they are so loving <G>.

roxy

Roxy

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> Lincoln didn't do stunts, and Draco didn't do the big ones either. Just
like
> with actors, you let the stunt guys do the stunts as well, they're more
> replaceable.... I'm not sure if male huskies are prettier than females; a
> husky owner would need to verify that,

not prettier, just bigger and therefore more impressive looking.

roxy

Snowee

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"Roxy" wrote:
> I have a book of dog quotes and such and one of them compares a
Malamute's
> intelligence to a river rock, but they are so loving <G>.
>
> roxy

Ok, I just *have* to ask. Is a river rock *more* intelligent or *less*
intelligent than a regular rock? I mean, I just don't know that much
about rocks, I guess.

--
Snowee
Keeper of the light bulb in Fraser's mouth
Dief's interest in horticulture and (*introducing*) his dream/nightmare
from "The Edge"..music and all.
RayK's empty gun in SIB, the lighter he left the arsonist in BDTH, his
coffee recipe, and "Wow! I just came out of my coma!"

LadyShoes

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Elyse wrote:

> The dog's name was not Frankie, it was Newman (for his blue eyes <G>), and
the
owner/trainer didn't wish to relocate to Toronto for the series.>

Strange - I saw an on-set interview with PG made during the filming of the
Pilot. He was talking about the dog and said how the trainer kept yelling
"Over here, Frankie, come here Frankie, look over there Frankie." Paul said
it was a good thing *his* name wasn't Frankie!

LS

Annie Keitz

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On Wed, 10 May 2000 20:46:21 -0700, "Roxy" <dcst...@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>> Lincoln didn't do stunts, and Draco didn't do the big ones either. Just
>like
>> with actors, you let the stunt guys do the stunts as well, they're more
>> replaceable.... I'm not sure if male huskies are prettier than females; a
>> husky owner would need to verify that,
>

>not prettier, just bigger and therefore more impressive looking.

In many dog breads the Male has a fuller coat, thus often considered
"prettier". Moveover bitches will "lose their coat" after birthing. I
can see the difference between my male Sheltie who has more fringe on
his coat and my bitch who has a lot less. But of course this doesn't
happen in short haired breads so much <g>....

ABainger

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Hmmm, well what d'ya know Steve?! Maybe I did almost know something.

So...who does prefer Draco to Lincoln or vise versa? I like Lincoln personally.
I know this has been done before...just didn't get a chance last time to say
what I thought.

A. Bainger (Ali).

Elyse

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In article <8fdjh8$oi5$1...@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "LadyShoes"
<Car...@londonSW16.freeserve.co.uk> writes:

>Strange - I saw an on-set interview with PG made during the filming of the
>Pilot. He was talking about the dog and said how the trainer kept yelling
>"Over here, Frankie, come here Frankie, look over there Frankie." Paul said
>it was a good thing *his* name wasn't Frankie!

I gather that he was generalizing the situation, since the dog was only used in
the Pilot. That sounds like that Canadian four part interview (or something
like that) a kind Canuck fan taped for loads of people back in '95...

Elyse

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In article <20000511173616...@ng-fa1.aol.com>, abai...@aol.com
(ABainger) writes:

>So...who does prefer Draco to Lincoln or vise versa? I like Lincoln
>personally.
>I know this has been done before...just didn't get a chance last time to say
>what I thought.

I like Lincoln for his acting ability and well, he looks more wolfish. Draco is
cute, but more doggish <G> Both are good, but I am more partial to Lincoln.

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