Ping Jim - Any updates on the Deadwood Finale Movies?
Dick
Have the last two movies already been shot? I assume the set has been
struck, which means the movies have already been made while all the actors
were still working there, but if you have any insight you would care to
share with us it would be most appreciated.
The set could have possibly been made into a tourist attraction as so many
of us enjoyed the series and have continuing interest, but I understand it
was located on the Melody Ranch which is private property.
I sure miss Deadwood. I hope someday another similar western series will be
produced.
Jim Beaver
"Dick" <ser...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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The movies have not been shot. They aren't even written yet. The set is
still there, minus all the set decoration (the barrels and troughs and
anvils and dead deer, etc.) The set was there before Deadwood and will be
there long after, I suspect. (If you look at the movies Wild Bill and Last
Man Standing, you should see a lot of stuff you recognize.) It's a working
movie studio, so a tourist attraction isn't likely to be in the future.
We're currently shooting David Milch's new show John From Cincinnati there.
David is neck-deep in that show, but as I understand it, the plans are to
shoot the first movie this summer. Keep your fingers crossed.
Jim Beaver
nimue
They're crossed. So are my toes. I want those Deadwood movies!
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Won't be as much fun without Ellsworth, though.
nimue
No kidding. :-(
Jim Beaver
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> give "John From Cincinatti" a fair chance but if it even remotely
> sucks I'll begin to talk to myself like Al talks to the "Man In The
> Box" (RIP Layne), wondering what the fuck that hooplehead Milch was
> thinking!
If you've read anything on the subject that I've posted you should know that
Milch was furious when HBO decided not to continue Deadwood and only refused
to continue when the circumstances HBO presented him were not suitable to
completing his vision of the show. Blaming Milch is like blaming the
captain of a torpedoed ship. That's my understanding.
Jim
nimue
I'm not blaming Milch. The art created by people like Milch and Joss Whedon
gives me such joy when I am happy and such solace when I am not.
Dano
<Axis Of Sheeple> wrote in message
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> My post was much more lighthearted than it comes off as. I have read
> the stories about HBO losing the stomach for the episode price tag of
> Deadwood etc. etc. and I don't mean to blame Milch soley for the end
> result.
>
> I did what I could and cancelled HBO until Rome came on but I am not
> in much of a position to do anything except watch my box sets until
> the movies come along (if they do, I'm skeptical) because as a once
> great prospector muttered "I'll tell you what, I may have fucked my
> life up flatter than hammered shit, but I stand here before you today
> beholdin' to no human cocksucker" ;-)
>
Too bad. Guess you missed the excellent and somewhat overlooked The Wire.
Great series...near the equal of Deadwood in a different genre. HBO
aggravates the hell out of me too, but they keep just enough coming through
the pipeline to hold on to me as a customer. Most of their original
programming is head and shoulders above the commercial networks. They still
give an important outlet to some very talented people with less creative
restraint.
Dano
<Axis Of Sheeple> wrote in message
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:29:00 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
> Besides having Deadwood return, my big wish out of HBO would be that
> they make hteir boxsets a little more affordable. Iown the Deadwood
> sets as well as the Curb Your Enthusiasm sets, but I'd surely buy more
> for all the reasons you mention, if they were priced a little better.
>
Ya gets what ya pays for...you want quality with great writing, an
excellent, large cast and spare no expense on production values, it costs
big bucks....and no commercial sponsors. Hell, you can't even get paid off
by a car manufacturer for product placement in a period show like this
obviously.
If more folks kept their subscriptions, the DVDs might be cheaper. :) You
want to tell Jim to work for less? YOU tell him.
Dano
<Axis Of Sheeple> wrote in message
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 20:14:22 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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>>Ya gets what ya pays for...you want quality with great writing, an
>>excellent, large cast and spare no expense on production values, it costs
>>big bucks....and no commercial sponsors. Hell, you can't even get paid
>>off
>>by a car manufacturer for product placement in a period show like this
>>obviously.
>>
>>If more folks kept their subscriptions, the DVDs might be cheaper. :)
>>You
>>want to tell Jim to work for less? YOU tell him.
>
> inflates product costs. Now if you were to suggest that grossly
> overpaid studio execs take a cut, then I'd buy into it.
>
Yup. The same could be said about any product. Pick yer favorite CEO or
CFO of any corporation for comparison. Do you think those oil company
execs get paid proportionately less than them? I think you can get by
without a DVD box set easier than petroleum products.
You don't think a quality cast leads to higher costs? I was kidding about
Jim. But seriously. Do you think a production like Deadwood is cheap to
do?
Thriceshy
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:29:00 -0500, "Dano" <janeandd...@yahoo.com>
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> ><Axis Of Sheeple> wrote in message
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:38:35 -0800, "Jim Beaver"
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> >>>>>Jim Beaver wrote:
> >>>>>> "Dick" <sero...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> Besides having Deadwood return, my big wish out of HBO would be that
> they make hteir boxsets a little more affordable. Iown the Deadwood
> sets as well as the Curb Your Enthusiasm sets, but I'd surely buy more
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Do what I've done since cancelling HBO (yes, I, too, cancelled over
Deadwood). Rent. I go down to Blockbuster and RENT those fab HBO
series I'm missing now. I just got done renting Extras, Season one.
Liked it so much I'll buy it (and season two)--from Amazon UK.
Dano
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> Do what I've done since cancelling HBO (yes, I, too, cancelled over
> Deadwood). Rent. I go down to Blockbuster and RENT those fab HBO
> series I'm missing now. I just got done renting Extras, Season one.
> Liked it so much I'll buy it (and season two)--from Amazon UK.
>
>
So what's your point? You think HBO derives no profit from sales and
rentals? <shrug>
Alric Knebel
And the fact that the town has such a teeming population adds to the
realism and grittiness.
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Alric Knebel
I never watched DEADWOOD on HBO, other than enough glimpses to know it
would be good. Instead, once I was convinced it was a good show, I just
opted to buy the first season. What a pleasure that was. My girlfriend
and I would make an evening of it, setting our dinner on trays in front
of the TV, and watching a couple of episodes a night. It's now a fond
memory for us and we're on the verge of buying season two. To be
honest, I prefer to watch DEADWOOD on DVD, because the dialogue is
sometimes so quick and so unusual, it's hard to follow without utilizing
the closed captions. It would have been very difficult to follow during
a broadcast, when if you missed something, the episode would just run on
ahead of you, leaving you behind.
And I, too, have rented a series or two. ROME is one we rented with
rabid enthusiasm, and we almost signed up for HBO just to get in on
season two. Then we realized we can just wait for the DVDs and rent
them again in a cluster, like we did the last time.
Another series that has a look and feel all its own was CARNIVALE. I
only saw one episode of that one, and I didn't bother to watch it
further because I was in the middle of the story arch, and I was lost.
Instead, I resigned myself to the idea that I'd buy this one, too. But,
alas, it too was canceled before the stories were tied up. What the
hell is wrong with these people?
But we watched ROME (season one) by renting the DVDs at the video store,
and we almost signed up for HBO just to watch season two. Then we
decided to just rent the DVDs again. The HBO series are the best
anywhere, mostly because the subject matter is so original.
Alric Knebel
I don't know what HIS point was, but I prefer renting or buying them
because I can watch all the episodes close together. In fact, I prefer
that HBO make huge profits, so they'll be inspired to produce more
superb programming.
nimue
That sounds nice. Your girlfriend is a lucky woman.
> It's now a fond memory for us and we're on the verge of buying season
> two. To be honest, I prefer to watch DEADWOOD on DVD, because the
> dialogue is sometimes so quick and so unusual, it's hard to follow
> without utilizing the closed captions. It would have been very
> difficult to follow during a broadcast, when if you missed something,
> the episode would just run on ahead of you, leaving you behind.
Not if you have DVR, and I don't know how I lived without it all those
years!
>
> And I, too, have rented a series or two. ROME is one we rented with
> rabid enthusiasm, and we almost signed up for HBO just to get in on
> season two. Then we realized we can just wait for the DVDs and rent
> them again in a cluster, like we did the last time.
You recommend Rome? Well, it does have actors I love. I'll give it a try.
>
> Another series that has a look and feel all its own was CARNIVALE. I
> only saw one episode of that one, and I didn't bother to watch it
> further because I was in the middle of the story arch, and I was lost.
> Instead, I resigned myself to the idea that I'd buy this one, too.
> But, alas, it too was canceled before the stories were tied up. What
> the hell is wrong with these people?
>
>
> But we watched ROME (season one) by renting the DVDs at the video
> store, and we almost signed up for HBO just to watch season two.
> Then we decided to just rent the DVDs again. The HBO series are
> the best anywhere, mostly because the subject matter is so original.
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> Dano wrote:
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>> "Thriceshy" <Headsn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1171652542.0...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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>>> Do what I've done since cancelling HBO (yes, I, too, cancelled over
>>> Deadwood). Rent. I go down to Blockbuster and RENT those fab HBO
>>> series I'm missing now. I just got done renting Extras, Season one.
>>> Liked it so much I'll buy it (and season two)--from Amazon UK.
>>>
>>>
>> So what's your point? You think HBO derives no profit from sales and
>> rentals? <shrug>
>
> I don't know what HIS point was, but I prefer renting or buying them
> because I can watch all the episodes close together.
I remember that time would cease to exist when I watched Deadwood. A show
would end and I would be stunned, shocked, feeling as if I were ripped from
one dimension and just deposited on my couch (probably kind of how Buffy
felt when her friends brought her back in Bargaining I and II, but without
the heaven and digging out of a grave thing and anyway, I digress and that
is another show entirely). I remember staring at the clock and saying,
"What? It's over? Already?" Anyway, I kind of enjoyed the anticipation of
waiting a week for the next episode -- but the fact is, if I'd had another
one to hand, I would have watched it immediately.
> In fact, I
> prefer that HBO make huge profits, so they'll be inspired to produce
> more superb programming.
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Thriceshy
> "Thriceshy" <Headsnorta...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Oh, look, a shrugger! I'm certainly feeling upbraided by your
twitching shoulders. Perhaps you could throw in a "pffft" next time,
really teach me a lesson!
My point is that I won't pay for a monthly service that isn't
delivering what I want. What, are you suggesting I buy pirated movies
and series so that HBO derives *no* profit? Fact is, I've had my
little say by cancelling my subscription, and I get to enjoy the shows
I want to see without being counted among HBO's subscribers. I don't
have to pay HBO every month for something I can rent and watch in a
night.
Dano
You really are that dense, eh? You don't think HBO derives profit from your
rental charges? What a dipshit. Enjoy. No one gives a rat's ass. PLONK.
Don K
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I'm sure HBO generates more profit from a year's subscription than
from a couple of one-shot rentals. That was his point, to minimize
HBO's profit, while still getting some enjoyment from their best products.
We're just all getting cranky without a Deadwood this season.
Don
Dano
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My only point is that none of this is produced for free or without great
expense. It's unrealistic...even asinine to ignore. If you like any piece
of art you have to pay for it.
Alric Knebel
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
>>And I, too, have rented a series or two. ROME is one we rented with
>>rabid enthusiasm, and we almost signed up for HBO just to get in on
>>season two. Then we realized we can just wait for the DVDs and rent
>>them again in a cluster, like we did the last time.
>
>
> You recommend Rome? Well, it does have actors I love. I'll give it a try.
I highly recommend it. And what makes it even more interesting, it
follows in the broad sense Roman history, with Marc Anthony and Ceasar
and how it all turns out, so a sense of realism pervades it. Like
DEADWOOD, it incorporates some history into it, but ROME probably hews
closer to actual events. There was only a time or two where it seemed
to just create a situation just to keep things movie. But in the
totality of it, it didn't matter. HBO knows how to make a series and
keep the drama up. The show BIG LOVE was an odd idea for a series,
about the difficulties of having living secretly in polygamy in a
society in which it is against the law. Thinking at first it was going
to be a comedy, I was take off guard to see it was a very serious, very
respectful show, with sinister forces at work and the whole nine yards.
Dick
the concluding movies. We anxiously await their culmination.
It must be difficult to gather the original actors to participate when so
much time has lapsed. I hope it comes together, but what are the chances?
The story line was so good we all hoped it would have simply continued for
many more episodes. I, for one, have an enlightened interest in the history
of the gold rush days of our country because of this highly entertaining
project. I'm going out to explore the history by visiting the many towns
along route 395 here in California, perhaps South Dakota too.
Seldom do we have a participating actor to give us a "heads up" of what
might be in the continuation, and we all appreciate your input. Please
support us with updates whenever possible!
Jim Beaver
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Jim Beaver
> Thank you for giving all us fans of the Deadwood series your insight about
> the concluding movies. We anxiously await their culmination.
>
> It must be difficult to gather the original actors to participate when so
> much time has lapsed. I hope it comes together, but what are the chances?
> The story line was so good we all hoped it would have simply continued for
> many more episodes. I, for one, have an enlightened interest in the
> history of the gold rush days of our country because of this highly
> entertaining project. I'm going out to explore the history by visiting
> the many towns along route 395 here in California, perhaps South Dakota
> too.
>
> Seldom do we have a participating actor to give us a "heads up" of what
> might be in the continuation, and we all appreciate your input. Please
> support us with updates whenever possible!
I'll do my best. Of course, there's precious little news one can hang one's
hat on, with David so deeply involved in JOHN FROM CINCINNATI. I was
pleased the other day, while shooting a scene from Episode 6 of JFC, to see
all the set decoration (tents, tables, troughs, etc.) from the Deadwood
thoroughfare all stacked in an orderly manner out back on the lot, clearly
sitting there waiting to be put back onto the street for the movies. If the
movies weren't happening, I think most of this stuff would have been
dismantled or otherwise destroyed or removed by now. It was a very
encouraging sight.
Also, I spoke to Ian McShane the other day and he was talking about his
upcoming Broadway play, which he has deliberately scheduled for this fall,
AFTER he finishes the Deadwood movie (I'm not sure whether they mean to
shoot both of them consecutively, or to shoot one, wait a few months and
shoot the other -- that's completely unknown to me.) So if Ian is making
certain that he does not have another job all during the summer, you can bet
there's a very strong likelihood that it's because the movies are really
going to happen. That said, JFC will probably shoot right up until June, so
who knows how ready everyone (including David) will be to switch gears
without a break.
Like I say, I have no real solid news. But the probabilities seem to be
tilting pretty solidly in favor of at least one movie getting started this
summer.
Jim Beaver
Alric Knebel
Jim, this is off the subject a bit. To our utter pleasure, my
girlfriend and I saw you on the extra features of the HOLLYWOODLAND DVD.
The text at the bottom of the screen as you spoke listed you as
"historian" (it might have said, "Hollywood historian"). We said almost
in unison, "Hey, it's Jim Beaver."
That said, how did you get such a specific title?
I know this might seem silly to you, but the fact that we recognized you
from another incarnation in your career gave us a hip sense of being
sort of "in the know," if you know what I mean.
Jim Beaver
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>
> Jim, this is off the subject a bit. To our utter pleasure, my girlfriend
> and I saw you on the extra features of the HOLLYWOODLAND DVD. The text at
> the bottom of the screen as you spoke listed you as "historian" (it might
> have said, "Hollywood historian"). We said almost in unison, "Hey, it's
> Jim Beaver."
>
> That said, how did you get such a specific title?
>
> I know this might seem silly to you, but the fact that we recognized you
> from another incarnation in your career gave us a hip sense of being sort
> of "in the know," if you know what I mean.
>
I write film history as an adjunct to my acting work. I've written a couple
of books on the topic and am working on a third.
Jim Beaver
Hoodini
> "Alric Knebel" <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote in message
>> Jim, this is off the subject a bit. To our utter pleasure, my girlfriend
>> and I saw you on the extra features of the HOLLYWOODLAND DVD. The text at
>> the bottom of the screen as you spoke listed you as "historian" (it might
>> have said, "Hollywood historian"). We said almost in unison, "Hey, it's
>> Jim Beaver."
>> That said, how did you get such a specific title?
> I write film history as an adjunct to my acting work. I've written a couple
> of books on the topic and am working on a third.
Jim's a very prolific contributor at the IMDb website, as well:
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John DeRosa
<jumb...@prodigy.spam> wrote:
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>I write film history as an adjunct to my acting work. I've written a couple
>of books on the topic and am working on a third.
I looked on Amazon and couldn't find your books. What are their
titles, and where can we buy them?
John
nudnik
Amazon.com, half.com, abebooks.com all list copies.
the prices range from $10.49.
ralph
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Jim Beaver
My book on John Garfield is on Amazon at
http://www.amazon.com/JOHN-GARFIELD-HIS-LIFE-FILMS/dp/B000ICPQKY/ref=cm_ciu_custimg_item_1/002-2669368-3381613.
My second book is an iffier proposition, as I ghost-wrote it for critic
Steven Scheuer. It's at
http://www.amazon.com/Movie-Blockbusters-Hollywoods-Top-Grossing-Films/dp/B0006YE1LO/ref=sr_1_1/002-2669368-3381613?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174613035&sr=1-1
I wrote almost all of it, except for a couple of the reviews and the
introduction. I also did the same for a revised second edition a couple of
years later. Scheuer was very nice to me, but I was a little surprised to
see him acknowledge a number of people (typists, etc.) without mentioning
me, even if he couldn't of course mention what it was I did for him. And I
literally have more money in my pants pocket right now than he paid me. BUT
it was great fun to do and made me a little gas money.
Jim Beaver