What's so confusing about the Gina/Hope story (Possible Spoilers and long)
TJ
storyline here is the full and complete explanation. this presented in
timeline fashion to try and make it easy to follow.
Background info regarding Princess Gina as gathered from comments made
on the show (may also contain some spoilers)
Princess Gina was part of a distant branch of one of the european royal
families. She was quite a social lite with both artistic and musical
talent. At some point she met a man who was introduced to her as
Rudolpho Meradi. She did not know he was really Stefano Dimera, a
powerful man with and evil side.
Stefano wanted to own many of the great artworks of the world and saw a
unique way to obtain them by using Gina's artistic talents. Gina was not
what most people thought she was either, she could be evil too. At one
point Gina became pregnant and had a child who she named Greta. The
father of her child was a priest named John Black who was also one of
Stefano's operatives. Together they stole many pricessless artworks for
the evil Dimera.
At somepoint in the mid 1980's Stefano seperated John and Gina by
programming John's mind with the memories of Roman Brady a Salem Police
Lt. at the time. Stefano had staged Roman's death and held the real
Roman prisoner.
At another point in the late 1980's Princess Gina was either injured or
became ill. Stefano was not done collecting his art treasures and needed
a replacement. Stefano knew something that Gina didn't know, that there
was another women who looked just like her. That woman was Hope Williams
Brady, wife of Bo Brady, Roman Brady's brother.
Because all of Salem believed that Stefano had died in 1988 he couldn't
go to Salem and kidnap her himself. So Stefano struck a deal with
Ernesto Toscano who was in Salem at the time. Stefano ordered Ernesto to
arrange Hope's "demise" to be witnessed by Bo so that everyone would
think Hope was dead. However Ernesto was also a professional magician
and used this skill in creating Hope's "demise".
--Spring 1990--
As part of his scheme to kidnap Hope, Ernesto lured Hope and many of her
family and friends on a cruise. The cruise became known as "The Cruise
of Deception" as many entanglements involving numerous Salem residents
were part of the itinerary. no one was aware that the ship also
contained a bomb. Ernesto had the bomb rigged so that the ship would
sink killing everyone on board. The ship did sink but nearly everyone
survived and wound up on and a deserted island. Everyone thought that
Ernesto had drowned but he to survived and kidnapped Hope while Bo was
exploring the island.
Upon learning that Hope was missing Bo began a through search of Island
and discovered Hope being held prisoner in a giant cage suspended over a
vat of acid. Ernesto then revealed himself and told bo if he tried to
rescue Hope he would open the cage and send Hope into the acid. The
Ernesto appeared to vanish in a puff of smoke befoe Bo's eyes and appear
next to Hope in the cage. The cage exploded and both Hope and Ernesto
were presumed dead.
What no knew was that both Hope and Ernesto had not died and infact
Hope was switched with another woman just before the cage exploded. Hope
was then delivered to Stefano and Ernesto just disppeared. The girl an
actress named Greta was not so fortunate she was badly burned in the
explosion and needed reconstructive surgery.
--Summer 1994 at Masion Blanche--
John Black discovered a woman who looked like the supposedly deceased
Hope Williams Brady being kept hidden in Masion Blanche, a New Orleans
mansion owned by Stefano. The woman called herself Gina but began having
flashes of Hope's memories. At first the flashes were being caused by
implanted memories being implanted on Stefano's orders. However the
flashes continued to happen even after the implanting was stopped.
--Late Fall 1994 in Salem--
While visiting the Salem police firing range to see Bo, Gina fainted.
Upon waking up she had her memory restored and was revealed to be Hope
Williams Brady. She had no memory of being Gina and Stefano would move
heaven and earth to keep the truth from her.
--Winter 1997 in Salem--
News reaches Salem that Roman Brady died while on an ISA mission in the
Mid-East.
--Spring 1997 in Salem--
The wedding of Marlena Evens and John Black is halted when Kristen Blake
arrives with a wheelchair bound Roman Brady. Romam faked is death so is
family would no know he was dying from a bacterial infection that was
considered incurable.
--Summer 1997--
Stefano is arrested but claims to have a way to cure Roman's infection.
He offers to do so in exchange for a full pardon for all his misdeeds.
Stefano leeds John, Hope and Kristen to his secret jungle compound to
search for a rare flower that contains seeds that will create the cure.
While on this jungle adventure Hope incounters Dr. Rolph which triggers
a memory from Masion Blanche.
--Fall 1997 in Salem--
The cure is made and given to Roman, Hope becomes determined to discover
the secrets of her time as Gina.
--Spring 1998 in New Orleans--
Hope returns to New Orleans to begin the search for answers to questions
about her past as Gina. She visits the hospital she was told she had
been in (she was told this by Stefano in 1994). A patient tells her that
she remembers hope and gives her a photo of how she supposedly looked in
1990 after the explosion. She is told that she fled to the Bayou Dugar
and heads there to check things out.
Hope encounters Wayne, Earl, and thier mother Erlene who live in the
bayou they mention someone known as Swamp Girl. However Wayne and Earl
manage to scare Hope and Bo off
--Late Spring 1998 in Salem--
Hope is given a box of things that belonged to her while she was at
Masion Blanche. A silver comb leads Hope to Lugano Switzerland. She and
John meet Lilly Faversham and nearly blow an undercover operation of
Roman's. John, Roman and Billie return to Salem when News reaches them
of a shooting in Salem. Hope remains in Lugano
--Summer 1998 in Lugano--
Hope, Lily and Lily's caretaker Lucille board the emporers express where
Hope is recoginized as Princess Gina. Stefano also boards the train as
Rudolpho and is shocked to see how far or close Hope is to uncovering
the truth. He sabotages the train bringing Hope's adventure to an abrupt
end.
--late Summer 1998 in Salem and New Orleans--
While dealing with a loss Bo leaves Salem and heads back to Bayou Dugar.
In the Bayou he makes contact with Swamp Girl. He discovers that she is
the actress hired by Ernesto to take Hopes place in the cage eight years
earlier. She also reveals the Ernesto/Stefano connection.
--Fall 1998--
Greta renews a connection with John Black who she knew as Father John
when she was just a child. She also reveals that real Princess Gina was
her mother. Stefano is infuriated to learn that Vivian Alamain has
inherited is collection of art works that were stolen by Princess Gina.
He puts a plan in motion that will require reverting Hope back into
Gina.
--Late Fall 1998/
Dr. Rolph begins working on the project to turn Hope back into Gina by
activating a computer chip in Hope's brain. The chip not only contains
Gina's memories but her personality as well. As Rolph works Hope has
flashes of being Princess Gina and begins to worry.
--Jan. 1999--
Hope's flashes continue to intensify has Rolph nears completion of the
project. Hope finds of photo of Gina and Stefano that frightens her.
While trying to get to Bo with the photo Hope is involved in an
accident. Lying in the snow after the accident Hope is transformed back
into Gina via satalite.
Making sense of it all:
Gina and Hope were/are 2 seperate people who happen to look alike. The
real Gina is Greta's mother and Johns former lover. Gina/Hope is the
Gina created by Stefano to replace the real Gina. She is in actuallity
Hope Williams Brady in possesion of Princess Gina's memory and
personality. The exact status of the real Gina is unknown at this time
but she has been seen in some of Hope's memory flashes.
Which one is which?
Hope is Hope with both her own personality and Gina's
Hope/Gina has blonde streaks in her hair (both now and in the memories)
real Princess Gina has red streaks in her hair (these have been seen in
the flashbacks).
Still confused?
zimshurd
though I watched it at the time, your chronology is indeed helpful.
TJ wrote in message <36AECE...@mailcity.com>...
Icebreaker
me with this storyline; like the plot and the dialogue.
How could Hope-Gina replace the real Gina if the real Gina was old
enough to give birth to Greta?
And I guess i'm expected to believe that not only did Stefano have a
double for Princess Gina in mind (Hope Brady), but he also had a
double for that double (Greta- who looks nothing like Hope).
And I don't even get what happened with the satellites (cause I wasn't
watching).
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DValle4929
explained...
If John found Hope/Gina at Masion Blanche, wouldn't Hope/Gina remember John as
Father John?
And I swear I read somewhere that Greta is head over heels in love with Father
John. If Father John is Greta's REAL father, wouldn't that be something like
incest?
TresBonBon
>And I swear I read somewhere that Greta is head over heels in love with
>Father
>John. If Father John is Greta's REAL father, wouldn't that be something like
>incest?
It's only incest if they have sex. Besides I think her love for him is more in
the vein of fatherly love.
Bonbon
Always remember you're unique...just like everyone else.
Icebreaker
>And I swear I read somewhere that Greta is head over heels in love with Father
>John. If Father John is Greta's REAL father, wouldn't that be something like
>incest?
Down here in the South that's what we call 'a date'.
Rainie S 1
>>incest?
>
>Down here in the South that's what we call 'a date'.
LOL......your soooo bad!
rainie
DonnaB
dvall...@aol.com (DValle4929) found the time to say:
| I'm not confused by this storyline, but there are a few details that need to be
| explained...
|
| If John found Hope/Gina at Masion Blanche, wouldn't Hope/Gina remember John as
| Father John?
He wasn't Father John at the time, so I don't see what you
mean.
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, DucTapR, GRITS, SWATCHr &
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"He has all the virtues I dislike & none of the vices I
admire." - Winston Churchill
DValle4929
>mean.
OK, his face doesn't change. I'm sure Gina knew what Father John looked like,
so why didn't she look at John and think "Father John?"
DonnaB
dvall...@aol.com (DValle4929) found the time to say:
| >He wasn't Father John at the time, so I don't see what you
Well, as I tried to describe in another post here, Gina
didn't seem to be aware of much of anything, no one's
memories at all, dazed, or drugged, then, the first moment,
he was rescuing her from drowning during a torrential rain
storm. However, I will say that many of us, as fans, noted a
particular affinity between John & Gina during that time, so
perhaps we saw something on a subconscious level.
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, DucTapR, GRITS, SWATCHr &
ARIAA <*> www.delphi.com/soapopera 8^> icq308592
"He's a nice guy, but he played too much football with his
helmet off." - Lyndon Baines Johnson (about Gerald Ford)
DonnaB
alt.tv.days-of-our-lives TJ
<upla...@nospam.hotmail.usa.net.yahoo.com> found the time
to say:
| Because all of Salem believed that Stefano had died in 1988 he couldn't
| go to Salem and kidnap her himself. So Stefano struck a deal with
| Ernesto Toscano who was in Salem at the time. Stefano ordered Ernesto to
| arrange Hope's "demise" to be witnessed by Bo so that everyone would
| think Hope was dead. However Ernesto was also a professional magician
| and used this skill in creating Hope's "demise".
When & how did we learn that Ernesto was working at the
behest of Stefano? And, if we learned it from Stefano, was
it credible, or could it have been more lies within lies,
shaded with a little truth?
So, on the John branch of this saga, where does Danielle
Stevens & Romulus & Remus fit in?
--
DonnaB RATSFuzz, CCWF, MPW, LGAW, DucTapR, GRITS, SWATCHr &
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"You've got the brain of a four-year-old boy & I bet he was
glad to get rid of it." - Groucho Marx
Melissa
something?
DValle4929 wrote:
> I'm not confused by this storyline, but there are a few details that need to be
> explained...
>
> If John found Hope/Gina at Masion Blanche, wouldn't Hope/Gina remember John as
> Father John?
>
> And I swear I read somewhere that Greta is head over heels in love with Father
> John. If Father John is Greta's REAL father, wouldn't that be something like
> incest?
DValle4929
>or
>something?
I think it was in the Feb 2 Soap Opera Digest. I know it said that Grata
is/was in love with Father John, and I don't think it is a "just friends" sort
of love either...
Jen Nance
up. She still rolls her eyes whenever he hugs or kisses "Hope" and you can
tell Greta is still jealous. Let's all hope that "Swamp Girl's" pangs of
jealousy over her lost Bayou Love don't fester as long and hard as Billie
Reed's did.
DValle4929 <dvall...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19990128050802...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
TresBonBon
>behest of Stefano? And, if we learned it from Stefano, was
>it credible, or could it have been more lies within lies,
>shaded with a little truth?
>
>So, on the John branch of this saga, where does Danielle
>Stevens & Romulus & Remus fit in?
>--
>DonnaB
Hah, Donna! If you ever can figure these things out, write and let the
writERRs know because I'm sure they never will. ;o) They've dug themselves a
hole so deep they'll never be able to write their way out.
Bonbon
I said "no" to drugs, but they didn't listen.