OT: I got a new puppy
tal731
She's 12 wks. old I named her Hailey. She is really cute. Just wondering
if anyone out there has a Jack Russell?
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Jolene
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Supachad
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> She's 12 wks. old I named her Hailey. She is really cute. Just wondering
> if anyone out there has a Jack Russell?
>
I'll give you the same advice I received when I got my Cocker Spaniel puppy,
Lucy, some 13 years ago. Remember...YOU'RE THE BOSS!! Best advice I ever
got. And oddly enough, it's come in handy for the last 7 years with my son!
Is the dog on Frasier a Jack Russell?
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Suz@nne
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> She's 12 wks. old I named her Hailey. She is really cute. Just wondering
> if anyone out there has a Jack Russell?
>
(Yes, Lexie is named after Lexie on the show:-)
Watcher Mom
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>
>
YoBro521
pretty smart!
For punishment, never hit the dog. Put it in a cage in a secluded room for
about 5 minutes. Dogs hate to be alone (separation anxiety, steams back from
being away from the pack). Some biologists believe that separation is the worst
and best punishment you can do to a dog. Chaining it up outside the most
inhumane thing you can do and moderate punishment in a cage the best and most
effective.
Oh, and leave a small radio on when you are not home and the dog is alone. The
dog will chew everything.
TresBonBon
>> She's 12 wks. old I named her Hailey. She is really cute. Just wondering
>> if anyone out there has a Jack Russell?
>>
>I do. Lexie, Toby, Zappy, Helen and Tuffy............
>(Yes, Lexie is named after Lexie on the show:-)
> Watcher Mom
And "Mom" has had lots of puppies so should be a very good source for you.
Good luck, I hope you have lots of patience and I really envy you. What in the
the whole wide world if more loving and lovable than a puppy?
~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
Pence234
Unless they are piddling on the carpet or whining at night! Or eating your
shoes...or tearing up your flowers.
BUT--they are thoroughly worth it!
Best, PB
PAM
tries to help me around the house. Run back & forth around the house
like she thinks she doing two hundred miles an hour & unties my shoe &
pull my socks off. I already taught her how to carry things down the
hall & hand it to me, & slap my hand as in giving me a five. And she
chases cat out of the yard. But she hads this problem wanting them to
chase her back. You going to love your puppy.
Pam-Doggirl3
tal731
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> > Congratulations on your new puppy.
>
>
>
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puppy,
> Lucy, some 13 years ago. Remember...YOU'RE THE BOSS!! Best advice I ever
> got. And oddly enough, it's come in handy for the last 7 years with my
son!
>
> Is the dog on Frasier a Jack Russell?
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> Suz@nne
>
>
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My last dog was so good hardly ever had to yell or correct her but this on
OH MY is she rotten...........but cute........lotta puppy in her!!
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tal731
>
> Good luck, I hope you have lots of patience and I really envy you. What
in the
> the whole wide world if more loving and lovable than a puppy?
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
poodle died a few months ago I have been so lonely without her. No dog will
ever replace my Maggie but Hailey (my new dog) is bringing me alot of joy.
Definately keeping me busy!!
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right now she is curled up by my feet and I wouldn't trade her for the
world!!!!!!!!
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tal731
however called her a Poo Shit!! LOL
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YoBro521
>however called her a Poo Shit!! LOL
>
Angel
Tal,
I have a Jack Russell. His name is Bits, and he is the most adorable,
high energy dog. He has a lot of character, which I think all Jacks
do. He is funny as heck to be around sometimes, and he sits up like a
prairie dog when he is wanting something. Or if he is curious about
something. He is a handfull, though. Good luck!
Angel
TresBonBon
>>however called her a Poo Shit!! LOL
>>
>I have one too! He is great
>
I have a Lhasa-Tzu...or a Shih-Apso. Anyway, she's a real character and SO
loveable. As soon as I sit down to watch Days she jumps in my lap. It's a
ritual.
ROBOT
wrote:
*HeeHee* I love Kritters! My Cat, Trixie/OrangeFluff, will sit and
MEOW at me until I get "settled" so she can lay on my lap while I
watch TV.
Talk about KuTe Doggies: I saw a lady walking a fluffly little mostly
white Doggy. He/she looked like a Lasa Apso, but the lady said it was
a "CockerPooPeekaPom". [Say that five times fast!] That's a mouthful
for such a tiny Doggy!
Another time, I saw a girl walking what appeared to be a black and
white scruffy wirehaired Terrier of some sort. Upon closer inspection,
it turned out to be a small Pot Bellied PIGGY!*HeeHee*! "That's a
silly looking Doggie!" [Did I mention my eyesight is rather feeble?]
Yep. Kritters are God's Four-Legged Furry Angels. :]
Love,
ROBOT
Simons Mom
obediance classes as soon as possible. Never to young to start puppy pre
k. Get a crate and start crate training. NEVER leave the dog tied
outside when your not home. I hope you have done your home work. Puppies
are alot of work and they are a life time commitment. Also when the pup
turns 6 months old get her spayed. It will reduce alot of health
problems and you wont have to worry aout unwanted puppies. Jack Russells
are head strong little dogs...I own pit bulls and I always say Jack
Russells are mini pit bulls!
Simons Mom
Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Thu, Feb 27, 2003, 7:20pm (EST-1)
From: dogg...@webtv.net (PAM)
A SHIHZTU-POO? Good Lord..was that a planned breeding of 2 dogs who
should have never been bred or an accidental bredding of two dogs who
really should have been fixed? 2 dogs of different breeds are not
supposed to be bred...thats how so many mutts come about...thats what so
many dogs die in the pound...not saying you dont love your dog...but who
ever bred the parents of your dog should be beat....until they scream
for mercy...
YoBro521
>From: dogg...@webtv.net (PAM)
>You're going to have fun with a puppy. I got a shihztu-poo.
>Pam-Doggirl3
>
>A SHIHZTU-POO? Good Lord..was that a planned breeding of 2 dogs who
>should have never been bred or an accidental bredding of two dogs who
>really should have been fixed? 2 dogs of different breeds are not
>supposed to be bred...thats how so many mutts come about...thats what so
>many dogs die in the pound...not saying you dont love your dog...but who
>ever bred the parents of your dog should be beat....until they scream
>for mercy...
>
>
What? Dogs don't die in the pound because of being mutts, they die because of
the people who bought/took them are irresponsible. Cross bred dogs are supposed
to be typically healthier. In fact, cross breeding shitz-poodle, as I have seen
on Animal Planet, is getting very popular and becoming an underground breed! I
have a Shitzo poolde (my favorite), a maltese-toy poodle, and a full bred
poodle.
GinnZing
>What? Dogs don't die in the pound because of being mutts, they die because of
>the people who bought/took them are irresponsible. Cross bred dogs are
>supposed
>to be typically healthier. In fact, cross breeding shitz-poodle, as I have
>seen
>on Animal Planet, is getting very popular and becoming an underground breed!
>I
>have a Shitzo poolde (my favorite), a maltese-toy poodle, and a full bred
>poodle.
Yeah, there's a lot of mix breeding going on. The most recent I've seen (work
for a Vet) is called a "Shorkey" a mix of Shitz and Yorky. Cute as heck.
~Ginny
YoBro521
>(work
>for a Vet) is called a "Shorkey" a mix of Shitz and Yorky. Cute as heck.
>
I love mutts because they are usually pretty cheap. Who cares about having a
papered dog? Unless of course you want a show dog.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
I can't stress how important a crate/kennel is to house breaking a pup. It is
the best and fastest way to do it. Dogs are naturally used to small confined
spaces and after a while they love it.
I use a kennel rather than a crate, though. Wee-wee pads are good while the
dogs are tiny. After a while you should go to a medical supply store and get
the human equivalent for beds because it is larger. Cheaper, too.
My two cents.
;^)
eShellzo, Ph.D. Apt. #1A in AST 1
The doctor is in. "I need a pill."
"He can't beat me on the grade!"
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TresBonBon
>I use a kennel rather than a crate, though. Wee-wee pads are good while the
>dogs are tiny. After a while you should go to a medical supply store and get
>the human equivalent for beds because it is larger. Cheaper, too.
>
>My two cents.
>
>
>;^)
>
>eShellzo
Wee-wee pads?
I agree about the kennel. It's like a den to them. Pepper loves hers.
I got some new furniture for my "office" slash sewing/crafts/junk room and I've
got a bookcase right next to the computer. She has taken up crawling onto the
bottom shelf while I'm here at the computer. She just curls up and goes to
sleep there.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snip>
>Wee-wee pads?
<snip>
Yup. Used as newspaper used to be used when breaking the pup.
More absorbant and more efficient.
Unless of course your puppy has a running fit through the house and in the
process the wee-wee pad gets folded over and then it acts like a sheet of
plastic, rolling off like water off a duck's back.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snip>
>I agree about the kennel. It's like a den to them. Pepper loves hers.
>
<snip>
We call ours the "Recharging Unit." If you've ever owned a puppy, you would
know why.
YoBro521
>is
>the best and fastest way to do it. Dogs are naturally used to small confined
>spaces and after a while they love it.
Are you serious? Crate/kennel is good for punishing a dog, actually probably
the best way. Example, when they pee in the house or rip something, you grab
them and throw them in the crate for about 5 minutes then you let them out.
Dogs HATE being separated and alone. I am not going into, unless of course you
want me to, the dynamics of the PACK but dogs hate being separated very much.
Dogs are a very social animal and constantly need companionship. Dogs put
companionship over everything.
BTW, if you have a dog chained up outside, shoot him its more humane.
Simons Mom
and see what the results are? Yeah they make cute pups...but the out
come can be a disaster...the health aspect of it can be bad...But hey as
long as they are cute I guess that doesnt matter does it?
Shannon
Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 9:34pm (EST+5)
From: ginn...@aol.com (GinnZing)
(YoBro521)
Simons Mom
animals dying in the pounds because to many people breed dogs that will
never find homes..or they give them to people who have no idea of the
responsibility they are getting themselves into..Mutts are not known to
be healthier than a dog who has generations of proven relatives who have
genetically tested and health tested and proved and can back it up with
best in shows etc etc....All I am saying is anyone who cares about what
happens to these animals doesnt breed for the hell of breeding and
anyone who throws 2 unlike breeds together is only out to make a
buck...And dont even get me started on Animal Planet
Shannon
Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 6:27pm (EST+5)
From: yobr...@aol.com (YoBro521)
Simons Mom
not home. Thats for my houses saftey and there saftey. Other than that
they have free run of the house and they sleep in bed with me. Dogs are
pack animals and want and NEED to be near thier families. The ONLY time
they want and need and den is when they are having puppies and if your
dog is spayed as it should be they will never need a den.
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:42pm (EST+5)
From: yobr...@aol.com (YoBro521)
Simons Mom
outside and I never ever ever do that to my dogs....my dogs stay in
large crates in the house....they are called vari kennels but I call
them crates....anyways...you say tomato I say tomatoe LOL
Shannon
OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 11:22pm (EST+5)
From: eshe...@aol.com (Owner and Manager of AST I and II)
Simons Mom
pet owner and spaying your pet...not breeding it because it will be cute
to see what the puppies look like for petes sake...
Shannon
Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Fri, Feb 28, 2003, 10:16pm (EST+5)
From: yobr...@aol.com (YoBro521)
Supachad
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Is there anything that you're not an expert on?
--
Suz@nne
YoBro521
>--
>Suz@nne
>
I never said expert but I paid attention in Biology.
I said in response to the Jack Russell post that caging a dog is a very good
*punishment*. Now other people are saying they keep their dog in a cage all day
and it is scary to me.
Dogs are not meant to be alone. They are a very social animal. In fact they
have their own bureaucracy in their pack! But anyhow, dogs don't like to be
alone. Dogs also don't like being in a cage and enclosed. Can you blame them?
I love dogs too.
Supachad
That was rhetorical question. I really didn't want an answer.
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Suz@nne
TresBonBon
>not home. Thats for my houses saftey and there saftey. Other than that
>they have free run of the house and they sleep in bed with me. Dogs are
>pack animals and want and NEED to be near thier families. The ONLY time
>they want and need and den is when they are having puppies and if your
>dog is spayed as it should be they will never need a den.
>Shannon
I'm sorry but you are SOOO wrong. Dogs especially like to sleep in close
quarters whether with a pack mate or not. If given the choice they will prefer
a closed-in space to sleeping out in the open. Any dog who has been
crate/kennel trained is happy to go into it to sleep. It is security for them.
TresBonBon
SOMEBODY! PLEASE! GET ME A NET! This MUST be contained.
YoBro521
>quarters whether with a pack mate or not. If given the choice they will
>prefer
>a closed-in space to sleeping out in the open.
Dog are also obedient. I bet the first time you threw your dog in the cage he
didn't like it. Night after night of being in there of course he is just going
to give up. Just like the experiment ( its at the tip of my tong) if the
shocked dog who tried to stop it but couldn't because there was no means of
stopping it. After a while there was means for the dog to stop it but wouldn't
even try. Dogs will give up.
It is suggested by some that dogs not sleep with the owner because it shows who
the boss is. When a dog sleeps with you, to them, you are on their level which
is not the case for most of you.
I, however, wouldn't put a dog in a cage unless for punishment and a maximum
for 5 mins.
TresBonBon
>who
>the boss is. When a dog sleeps with you, to them, you are on their level
>which
>is not the case for most of you.
By whom?
YoBro521
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
I seen it on Animal Planet. We brought that up to our Vet and he said he wasn't
a "dog behaviorist."
Myself
<suzan...@att.nothingbutnet> wrote:
>Is there anything that you're not an expert on?
Is there anything that he *is* an expert on?
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Myself
Supachad
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So true, so true.
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Suz@nne
Simons Mom
knows what he is talking about there....
He may have learned it in biology..from loving his own dog whatever but
he is right...I learned it from running my own dog rescue and of course
lots of research and loving my own dogs...they are not meant to ever be
caged full time....or chained...they are pack animals and need to be
with thier pack..period....
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sat, Mar 1, 2003, 2:24am (EST+5)
From: yobr...@aol.com (YoBro521)
Supachad
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> Suzanne he is very right..dogs are not meant to be kept in cages he
> knows what he is talking about there....
> He may have learned it in biology..from loving his own dog whatever but
> he is right...I learned it from running my own dog rescue and of course
> lots of research and loving my own dogs...they are not meant to ever be
> caged full time....or chained...they are pack animals and need to be
> with thier pack..period....
> Shannon
>
>
I'm not arguing the point about dogs. I don't really care. YoBro has made it
his business since he started posting here to declare himself the resident
expert on *every* topic.
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Suz@nne
Simons Mom
trained....when I am not home the dogs go into the crates and when I am
home they are allowed free roam...and in my home the crates are left
open all day and night....all of the crates are readily available for
sleeping once I go to bed at night for the dogs...and gee...seems all 4
of my dogs are either in bed with me...or on the floor next to my
bed...see I am the alpha and rather be alone in a closed quarter the
dogs choose to be close to thier alpha...None of the dogs I have ever
had rescues and all have ever wanted to sleep in a den type
atmosphere...so my dear YOU are sooooooo wrong and I feel sorry for your
dog....
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sat, Mar 1, 2003, 2:36am (EST+5)
From: tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon)
Spangliekins
Suzanne, he said tonight he's LEAVING the newsgroup. Give it a rest.
Why complain about somebody who's already gone??? Let it go. He's
gone.
He said something about his studies at school taking up too much of
his time. No sense to argue about the past when the problem's been
fixed.
My sincere apologies if somehow your newsreader did not bring up his
farewell post.
JN
TresBonBon
>trained....when I am not home the dogs go into the crates and when I am
>home they are allowed free roam...and in my home the crates are left
>open all day and night....all of the crates are readily available for
>sleeping once I go to bed at night for the dogs...and gee...seems all 4
>of my dogs are either in bed with me...or on the floor next to my
>bed...see I am the alpha and rather be alone in a closed quarter the
>dogs choose to be close to thier alpha...None of the dogs I have ever
>had rescues and all have ever wanted to sleep in a den type
>atmosphere...so my dear YOU are sooooooo wrong and I feel sorry for your
>dog....
>Shannon
I don't know why you would feel sorry for my dogS. The only time they have
been contained was when they were on an airplane. And every dog training TV
program and literature I've ever seen advocates using a "cage" for trraining.
Supachad
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I'm not complaining about him. Just trying to explain to Shannon that I
don't have an opinion about how to raise dogs. Crate 'em, don't crate
'me...whatever works best for you and your dog.
Yes, I did see his farewell post, it made me positively giddy. :-)
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Suz@nne
Supachad
That should read "crate 'em don't crate 'em." Please don't crate me.
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Suz@nne
>
TresBonBon
>--
>Suz@nne
Then don't pee on the carpet! :o)
spang...@hotmail.com
<<Raising my hand up high like Horshack on Welcome Back Kotter>>
Oh! Oh! Missus Bawnbawn! I know! I know! I know why she feels sorry
for yor dawgies! Because they're YOUR doggies and not someone elses!
:-)
JN
spang...@hotmail.com
Now we're going to argue about dog raising practices? Damn, the
writing for the show this week must *really* be awful.
"My doggie is raised better than your doggie. You aren't so wrong. No,
you are sooooooooo wrong."
"I am soooo wrong?!?! Well! <<Huff!>> My doggie was crate trained!"
I don't care you people's dogs were raised in freaking barrel full of
barley and hops, personally. Take it to a pets and dogs NG. This "dogs
this and that" shit is just pathetic.
Go to your separate corners, children, and raise your own pets as you
wish. Stay out of other people's pet parenting.
How they raise their doggies ain't NONE OF YOUR BISCUITS!!!
I mean it ain't none of your business. My bad.
:0)
JN
spang...@hotmail.com
Ok, What's the phone # for that dog therapist they used on The
Osbournes in that one episode? Let's call up Ozzy.
ALT.DAYS CALLER:
"Ozzy, I'm calling on behalf of the Alt.TV.Days Usenet newsgroup and
we need the number for your dog therapist."
OZZY AT HOME IN THE KITCHEN WITH HIS POOCHES LOLA AND CRAZY BABY:
"Lola! Shut the F**K up. Leave Crazy Baby alone! I'm on the phone, you
damned pooches. So help me, Lola, if you shit on this carpet while I'm
on the phone I'm going to adopt you out to PAWS. You'd best behave
this INSTANT!! Shaaaaaaarrrrrrron! Get that Dog Therapist's G** D****D
phone numbuh! We've gotta' a *scared* participant in the Alt.TV.Days
group who needs her assistance at once. Actually, get me her cell
phone numbuh, too, Sweetheart. Thank you dear. I'm sorry I yelled up
the stairs. I love you. Lola was just f***ing frustrating me again.
Can't Jack put a diaper on this damned dog?!?!"
JN
:-)
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>YoBro I have to agree...the only time my dogs are crated is when I am
>not home. Thats for my houses saftey and there saftey. Other than that
>they have free run of the house and they sleep in bed with me. Dogs are
>pack animals and want and NEED to be near thier families. The ONLY time
>they want and need and den is when they are having puppies and if your
>dog is spayed as it should be they will never need a den.
Well, your line of thinking goes against everything that every trainer or
breeder that I've talked with, including what the AKC has to say about house
breaking a puppy.
Kenneling your dog has to be done responsibly and to think that anyone should
kennel a dog as punishment or for the heck of it is someone who is cruel to
animals.
My statements went STRAIGHT to house breaking and nothing more. Yo-Yo turned a
knowledgeable and specific statement into something tangencial in an effort to
spout off his/her big mouth about something he/she knows NOTHING about.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snipping>
>.when I am not home the dogs go into the crates
Good thing.
>and when I am
>home they are allowed free roam...
Your mistake.
>.seems all 4
>of my dogs are either in bed with me...or on the floor next to my
>bed.
You've TRAINED them to think that your bed is their bed. Simple as that. You
have a problem with treating your dogs like they are human, which they are not.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>Suzanne he is very right..dogs are not meant to be kept in cages he
>knows what he is talking about there....
<snip>
NO ONE in this ng even mentioned constantly keeping dogs in cages, save Yo-Yo.
I think you need to look better before you leap.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>I'm not complaining about him. Just trying to explain to Shannon that I
>don't have an opinion about how to raise dogs.
<snip>
He's gone?
Party at my house.
Supachad
news:20030301164825...@mb-cf.aol.com...
You know, that was my first reaction. But now I'm worried about who's left
here to explain every mystery of life to us poor ignorant souls? NOT!!!
--
Suz@nne
TresBonBon
>
>>Suzanne he is very right..dogs are not meant to be kept in cages he
>>knows what he is talking about there....
>
><snip>
>
>NO ONE in this ng even mentioned constantly keeping dogs in cages, save
>Yo-Yo.
>
>
>I think you need to look better before you leap.
>
>
>;^)
>
>eShellzo
We lose one, we gain one. <sigh!>
TresBonBon
>You know, that was my first reaction. But now I'm worried about who's left
>here to explain every mystery of life to us poor ignorant souls? NOT!!!
>--
>Suz@nne
>
Not to worry, there's plenty more where that one came from...unfortunately.
Karin
> >Shannon wrote:
> >
> >>Suzanne he is very right..dogs are not meant to be kept in cages he
> >>knows what he is talking about there....
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >NO ONE in this ng even mentioned constantly keeping dogs in cages, save
> >Yo-Yo.
> >
> >I think you need to look better before you leap.
> >
>
> We lose one, we gain one. <sigh!>
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
......and those are the days of our lives...........
Karin
Simons Mom
that..what I say goes...whats wrong with allowing them to have free roam
of the house when I am home...this is where they live is it not? Am I to
confine them to a room and make them suffer? Put them in the yard? Whats
your suggestion? As for them sleeping in my bed...I know it makes them
feel equal...oh well...my bad I guess...they still know I am the
alpha..thats all that matters....
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sat, Mar 1, 2003, 9:44pm (EST+5)
From: eshe...@aol.com (Owner and Manager of AST I and II)
Shannon wrote:
<snipping>
when I am not home the dogs go into the crates
Good thing.
and when I am
home they are allowed free roam...
Your mistake.
Simons Mom
not home...duh...what..am I supposed to let them run free and have a
canine version of Mardi Gras in my house...oh no thank you....
What I was agreeing with was that dogs should only be crated for a short
period of time..they should not be made to stay in acrate for long time
as they like to be with thier pack..Oy Vay...
As for house training..when they poo indoors pick it up put it out dorrs
where you want them to go....show it to them...30 minutes after the eat
take the to the poo..they will get it..eventually...
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
TresBonBon
>not home...duh...what..am I supposed to let them run free and have a
>canine version of Mardi Gras in my house...oh no thank you....
You crate them when you're not home? Now that's cruel! Why don't you train
your dogs so they know how to behave when you're away? My dogs have free run
of the house at all times and they never have a Mardi Gras. Of course, that's
probably the difference between crate training and not.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>OOOOOO No sweeetie...
First of all, I'm NOT your sweetie. Second of all, don't take such a trivial
matter so much to heart. What? Do you think that MY opinion is going to bring
an end to your world?
>My dogs know who is alpha....
"Alpha?" What? You equate yourself to a dog? No. You are the dogs' MASTER.
<snipping irrelevance>
>.whats wrong with allowing them to have free roam
>of the house when I am home...this is where they live is it not?
Dogs get into things just like toddlers do.If you care for your dog you would
have the dangerous areas blocked off. For example, I don't let my dog go into
my downstairs bathrooms because I fear he'll get into the cleaner or chew on
the electrical cords in there. I can't believe you let your dogs have free
roam of the house. You open your dogs up to so many dangers.
>Am I to
>confine them to a room and make them suffer?
Suffer? Lady, you have some serious issues. Why would you think that if your
dogs can't roam free then they must be made to suffer? Forget it. I don't
want your answer.
>Put them in the yard?
Nothing wrong with a little time in the yard. Don't tell me... they'll suffer,
right?
>As for them sleeping in my bed...I know it makes them
>feel equal...oh well...my bad I guess...they still know I am the
>alpha..thats all that matters....
Wait a minute. You actually LIKE living like a dog. I get it now. If you
can't be... ahem... "alpha" in orhter parts of life you might as well be (Gawd,
I HATE using this word...) "alpha" with your dogs, right?
What makes you think that having a dog means you have to treat them like
humans? Sure, I talk to my dog. My dog sits on my couch. My dog plays in the
yard. My dog walks to the park with me to play fetch. My dog is sleeping in
my husband's lap as I type right now. My dog lives the life of Reilly, BUT he
is a dog NOT a human. I am his MASTER, not the lead dog. He is a member of my
family and we love him dearly, but he is a dog. My dog has never suffered one
day in his life, but he doesn't have free reign in the house and he doesn't
live like a human.
My suggestion is that you get a reality check on your relationships with your
animals. Until then, my conversation with you is over. I get nothing from it
and I am sure the ng doesn't either.
And frankly, I don't really care what you have to say on the matter.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>I do not crate my dogs to house train them fool..
"Fool?" YOU are calling ME a "fool?" Why, because I know more about dogs than
you do? Don't worry, you have time, but I'm not sure about your capacities.
>.I crate them when I am
>not home...duh..
Obviously you are used to conversing solely with animals.
>.what..am I supposed to let them run free and have a
>canine version of Mardi Gras in my house...oh no thank you....
I never said crating your dog while they are alone in the house is a bad thing.
I do it every day.
>house...oh no thank you....
>What I was agreeing with was that dogs should only be crated for a short
>period of time..they should not be made to stay in acrate for long time
>as they like to be with thier pack..Oy Vay...
"Oy Vay?" <snicker> Your yiddish is sorely lacking. It is "Oy vey." What
are you, schmegma?
Listen, dolt, Yo-Yo didn't say a single thing about crating dogs for a short
time. I believe his words were... "Are you serious? Crate/kennel is good for
punishing a dog, actually probably
the best way. Example, when they pee in the house or rip something, you grab
them and throw them in the crate for about 5 minutes then you let them out."
THIS is what YOU agreed with, idiot. You jumped into this thread right after
this post was written by Yo-Yo and you AGREED with him. Jaysus, don't make
this so easy.
>As for house training..when they poo indoors pick it up put it out dorrs
>where you want them to go....show it to them...30 minutes after the eat
>take the to the poo..they will get it..eventually...
I challenge you to find ONE place on the net or in a single book published on
training a dog that corroborates YOUR version of house breaking a puppy. I
don't care, the book could be written by an idiot for all I care, because even
an idiot knows there are FAR better ways to house break a dog, INCLUDING and on
TOP of the list being kennel trained.
Here's what the AKC has to say about house breaking a dog: (Please pay
particular attention to the fourth paragraph that essentially says "Shannon is
W-R-O-N-G!!!!")
http://www.akc.org/love/dah/candt/dbhbreak.cfm
In the fourth paragraph kennel/crate training is named SPECIFICALLY as the best
way to train a dog.
Your mediocrity makes this simple.
Now shut up until you can talk about something without making yourself look
like a jackass. No wonder you agreed with Yo-Yo. You're both dolts.
Oh, BTW, this became a bitch-fest when you started using terms such as
"sweetie" and "fool." Just remember WHO started it and WHO finished it,
shmuck.
You know NOTHING about yiddish and even less about dogs.
Simons Mom
explain why. I do not own flufflybutt dogs. I own 2 powerful breeds. One
is a American PitBull Terrier and another is a American Bulldog...I also
own 2 cats. If I were to leave my home and leave my dogs unattended and
God forbid the dogs chase the cats and it gets out of hand and I am not
here to stop it...my cats could be injured or worse..killed...also..my
dogs can play rough...so..in my absence...they could play rough...it
could turn into a fight...and I could come home to a blood bath...that
is why my dogs are crated...You probably know nothing of these breeds
except negative things..but this is what I choose to do to keep my
babies safe..and trust me..it is never a extended period of time as I am
a stay at home foster mom so I am home all day anyway and most of the
evenings...many..many ...MANY people crate thier dogs when they go
out..some dogs would chew through the house if they were not crated...go
to the dog and pets discussion group and ask around....My dogs are happy
and healthy...and I am sure that any rescue..INCLUDING the one I used to
run...ENCOURAGES crating the animals when you are not home...go
ahead...pick up the phone and call a few...
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 6:16pm (EST+5)
From: tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon)
TresBonBon
>explain why. I do not own flufflybutt dogs. I own 2 powerful breeds. One
>is a American PitBull Terrier and another is a American Bulldog...I also
>own 2 cats. If I were to leave my home and leave my dogs unattended and
>God forbid the dogs chase the cats and it gets out of hand and I am not
>here to stop it...my cats could be injured or worse..killed...also..my
>dogs can play rough...so..in my absence...they could play rough...it
>could turn into a fight...and I could come home to a blood bath...that
>is why my dogs are crated...You probably know nothing of these breeds
>except negative things..but this is what I choose to do to keep my
>babies safe..and trust me..it is never a extended period of time as I am
>a stay at home foster mom so I am home all day anyway and most of the
>evenings...many..many ...MANY people crate thier dogs when they go
>out..some dogs would chew through the house if they were not crated...go
>to the dog and pets discussion group and ask around....My dogs are happy
>and healthy...and I am sure that any rescue..INCLUDING the one I used to
>run...ENCOURAGES crating the animals when you are not home...go
>ahead...pick up the phone and call a few...
>Shannon
...and they just keep on coming!
Does anyone but me wonder why someone would own pets that can't be left alone
together without it resulting in a "blood bath?" And then throw foster kids in
on top of that? Who in the world would allow a foster child in a home with a
pitbull? And before anyone jumps all over me for condeming a breed, consider
this...in the county of Miami-Dade (along with many others in the US), it is
illegal to own a pitbull. Also, in many homeowners' association documents in
our area, it specifically forbids keeping a pitbull.
Geeze, no wonder you keep 'em locked up. Do you fight them too?
spang...@hotmail.com
> Shannon wrote:
>
> >I do not crate my dogs to house train them fool..
>
> "Fool?" YOU are calling ME a "fool?" Why, because I know more about dogs than
> you do? Don't worry, you have time, but I'm not sure about your capacities.
>
>
> Obviously you are used to conversing solely with animals.
>
>
> >canine version of Mardi Gras in my house...oh no thank you....
>
>
> eShellzo, Ph.D. Apt. #1A in AST 1
> The doctor is in. "I need a pill."
>
> "He can't beat me on the grade!"
>
> NEW TO THE NG? VISIT THE FAQ: http://angelfire.lycos.com/tv/alttvdoolfaq/
>
You guys are totally f***ing nuts. I know tons of people with dogs and
none of them take it this seriously to the point of these types of
hair raising arguments. This is just pathetic. Believe it or not, I
think Bonbon has made the most sense in this whole pet care argument.
You other two gals are just acting nuttier than a cashew salad.
And Shelly DESERVED to be called a fool and "sweetie" for those
comments she made about Shannon regarding her dog as a human. WTF?!?!
Now ElSmellzho's a dog therapist, too? Gimme' a break already! What a
bitch this EShellzo is. On every discussion and on every count.
JN
Simons Mom
Shannon wrote:
OOOOOO No sweeetie...
First of all, I'm NOT your sweetie. Second of all, don't take such a
trivial matter so much to heart. What? Do you think that MY opinion is
going to bring an end to your world?
important
My dogs know who is alpha....
"Alpha?" What? You equate yourself to a dog? No. You are the dogs'
MASTER.
--No I am the ALPHA if you knew anything about dogs...especially the
breeds I own..and handle..and rescue...there is a difference between
ALPHA and Master..and ALPHA is what they respect and listen to
more...but you would not know that would you?
<snipping irrelevance>
--Yeah Yeah
whats wrong with allowing them to have free roam of the house when I am
home...this is where they live is it not?
Dogs get into things just like toddlers do.If you care for your dog you
would have the dangerous areas blocked off. For example, I don't let my
dog go into my downstairs bathrooms because I fear he'll get into the
cleaner or chew on the electrical cords in there. I can't believe you
let your dogs have free roam of the house. You open your dogs up to so
many dangers.
--Good Grief....my dogs are not children..they do not chew wires..they
have kong balls...and marrow bones...and things of that sort for
chewing...I keep keep my cleaners under the sink in the cabinets....last
I checked non of my dogs could open the cabinet or had a taste for
scrubbing bubbles....I have the door to the nursery shut at all times
and the door to the cats bedroom blocked off with a baby gate so there
are only but so many other rooms the dogs can go in...they are in no
danger...
Am I to
confine them to a room and make them suffer?
Suffer?
Lady, you have some serious issues. Why would you think that if your
dogs can't roam free then they must be made to suffer? Forget it. I
don't want your answer.
--Ok but I do have an answer....
Put them in the yard?
Nothing wrong with a little time in the yard. Don't tell me... they'll
suffer,
right?
--My dogs go out in the yard anytime they want..they let me know when
they want to go and I let them out...and they bark when they want to
come in and thats that...but I dont leave them out there if they dont
want to be out there.
As for them sleeping in my bed...I know it makes them feel equal...oh
well...my bad I guess...they still know I am the alpha..thats all that
matters....
Wait a minute. You actually LIKE living like a dog. I get it now. If you
can't be... ahem... "alpha" in orhter parts of life you might as well be
(Gawd, I HATE using this word...) "alpha" with your dogs, right?
What makes you think that having a dog means you have to treat them like
humans? Sure, I talk to my dog. My dog sits on my couch. My dog plays in
the yard. My dog walks to the park with me to play fetch. My dog is
sleeping in my husband's lap as I type right now. My dog lives the life
of Reilly, BUT he is a dog NOT a human. I am his MASTER, not the lead
dog. He is a member of my family and we love him dearly, but he is a
dog. My dog has never suffered one day in his life, but he doesn't have
free reign in the house and he doesn't live like a human.
My suggestion is that you get a reality check on your relationships with
your animals. Until then, my conversation with you is over. I get
nothing from it and I am sure the ng doesn't either.
And frankly, I don't really care what you have to say on the matter.
--There is nothing wrong with my relationship with any of my animals or
my husband or family members...I was raised with animals and have lots
of friends and associates who feel the same about thier animals. As for
a reality check I think your the one who needs it as you treat your dog
like a prisoner. As far as I am concerned this conversation is over. To
some people thier dogs are thier family..and I and my husband are those
people....you..sound like a PETA wacko...
Shannon
Simons Mom
way I house trained my dogs..worked for me....did not say it came from a
book...not everything in life comes from a book..if it did..most of life
would be screwed...especially therapuetic foster children like the ones
we care for...but thats another thread all in itself..anyway..as for
what I know about dogs...I know about pit bulls...and I know about deaf
dogs...I do not care to know about fluffy butt mixed breed dogs who
should have been aborted anyways.
As for what I have agreed or disagreed with...I agreed with crate
training...period. So keep ranting.....maybe your blood pressure will go
so high you will....well..never mind... :)
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 6:51pm (EST+5)
From: eshe...@aol.com (Owner and Manager of AST I and II)
Shannon wrote:
I do not crate my dogs to house train them fool..
"Fool?" YOU are calling ME a "fool?" Why, because I know more about dogs
than you do? Don't worry, you have time, but I'm not sure about your
capacities.
I crate them when I am
not home...duh..
Obviously you are used to conversing solely with animals.
J E L I E L ł
Brendabythebay
wrote:
>Does anyone but me wonder why someone would own pets that can't be left alone
>together without it resulting in a "blood bath?" And then throw foster kids in
>on top of that? Who in the world would allow a foster child in a home with a
>pitbull? And before anyone jumps all over me for condeming a breed, consider
>this...in the county of Miami-Dade (along with many others in the US), it is
>illegal to own a pitbull. Also, in many homeowners' association documents in
>our area, it specifically forbids keeping a pitbull.
>
>Geeze, no wonder you keep 'em locked up. Do you fight them too?
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
There is a reason why insurance companies have a nono dog list in
their guidelines and pit bull is on every single one of them. There
are six breeds that are mostly commonly found on this list, due to
high statistics of liability lawsuits having paid out and due to the
breeds' inherent behavioral tendencies. No matter how well brought
up, there are certain breeds that have a tendency and a physical
nature to cause serious injury if they feel threatened (whether
justified or not.) The breeds include Rottweiler, Pit Bulls, German
Shepard (this breed some companies will allow with a certificate from
a doggie school), and damn, I forget the other 3. The Cane Presario
(sp?) has been added after the San Francisco case. Most times, an
agent or broker doesnt ask question, the client doesnt answer the
question on the application, or the client gets the dog after they got
their home, tenants, or condo insurance. Some companies even use the
general "Do you own any pets of such and such breed or any of any
breed that has tendencies or are known to be vicious?"
I think its awful that the companies have to pay out on these lawsuits
when a lot of the time, it comes down to the "victim's" fault. IN
once case in NJ, a woman and her 2 year old daughter were visiting the
insured and while the adults weren't paying attention, the daughter
pushed a pencil through one ear of the dog right into his brain. He
bit the little girl's face. This in my opinion, is the mother's fault
for not supervising her child just as much as the dog owners fault.
IN a recent case in California, a woman walked up to an insured who
was walking his dog (leashed) and the woman bent down to pat the dog.
The owner said "no, don't do that" knowing the dog doesnt like to be
touched by strangers and she did it anyways and the dog bit her (not a
serious wound.) The dog was impounded for 14 days and there's a
hearing now scheduled and he may have to be put down.
Brenda
(Not a dog owner, but has had to deal with plenty of these issues at
work.)
http://www.brendabythebay.com
J E L I E L ł
punishment. Also knowing what American bulldogs are like, you dont wanna let
them roam free around the house until they are older, these dogs are cluts
and big babies and with their impressive strengh can push a sofa over with
the flick of a nose. Also I have a very well trained rabbit and still would
let her run around while I'm away or asleep. Their nature is to chew their
way through stuff and they have rasor sharp teeth. Same goes for big dogs
like american bulldogs. If the dog sees the crate/cage as a room and not a
prison, they wont mind. Plus they are cooperative, more so than those cats
with perms (poodles) and they are sweet natured animals, but clutsy and very
strong, something you dont wanna have rampaging in your house if it's
running after a cat or play fighting with another dog of equal size and
strengh. These dogs are in no way unhappy....
--
J E L I E L ³
"It's just the car that we ride in
the home we reside in
the face that we hide in
the way we are tied in"
-- Peter Gabriel
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TresBonBon
>Shepard (this breed some companies will allow with a certificate from
>a doggie school), and damn, I forget the other 3.
Doberman.
We are building a new community here and they will not allow pitbulls,
dobermans or rottweilers to live there. If you want to buy a house there,
you'd better not want to have one of them for a pet.
I have a great-nephew who has terrible scars on his face after a multitude of
plastic surgeries from a pitbull that just decided to tear into him when he was
five. (The boy, not the dog.) The owner had just gotten through telling my
nephew what a sweet dog he was and how his kids always rough-housed with him
and he never did a thing to them. Pool little David reached out to pet him and
that was it. My nephew had to kick and kick and kick him in the head to make
him let go of his son. Now he is scarred for life and phobic of dogs. Very
sad. And even sadder, it happens way too frequently.
Brendabythebay
wrote:
Yup Doberman is one. That leaves two of the seven. This is going to
bug me now and I'm gonna look it up at work tomorrow. I want to say
bull terrier or there's a terrier of some kind too.
spang...@hotmail.com
To
some people thier dogs are thier family..and I and my husband are
those
people....you..sound like a PETA wacko...
Shannon
She probably doesn't belong to PETA, but you've hit on something very
true. EShellzo is most certainly a complete wacko. Good call.
JN
Brendabythebay
<Brendab...@attbi.com> wrote:
>On 02 Mar 2003 22:10:18 GMT, tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon)
>wrote:
>
>>>The breeds include Rottweiler, Pit Bulls, German
>>>Shepard (this breed some companies will allow with a certificate from
>>>a doggie school), and damn, I forget the other 3.
>>
>>Doberman.
>>
>> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
>Yup Doberman is one. That leaves two of the seven. This is going to
>bug me now and I'm gonna look it up at work tomorrow. I want to say
>bull terrier or there's a terrier of some kind too.
>
>Brenda
>http://www.brendabythebay.com
Ok I just hopped on a website for one of my companies (and they all
pretty much follow the same) and here we go:
Akita, Chow, Doberman Pinscher, German Shepard, Rottweiler, Wolf
Hybrid, Pit Bulls including but not limited to:
American Staffordshire Terrier
English Bull Terrier
Pit Bull Terrier
Presa Canario
Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
German Shepard gets excused with aforementioned certificate.
TresBonBon
>>>>Shepard (this breed some companies will allow with a certificate from
>>>>a doggie school), and damn, I forget the other 3.
>>>
>>>Doberman.
>>>
>
>>> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>>
>>Yup Doberman is one. That leaves two of the seven. This is going to
>>bug me now and I'm gonna look it up at work tomorrow. I want to say
>>bull terrier or there's a terrier of some kind too.
>>
>>Brenda
>>http://www.brendabythebay.com
>
>Ok I just hopped on a website for one of my companies (and they all
>pretty much follow the same) and here we go:
>
>Akita, Chow, Doberman Pinscher, German Shepard, Rottweiler, Wolf
>Hybrid, Pit Bulls including but not limited to:
>American Staffordshire Terrier
>English Bull Terrier
>Pit Bull Terrier
>Presa Canario
>Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
>
>German Shepard gets excused with aforementioned certificate.
>
>Brenda
I hands down agree with the pit bull, akita and the chow.
I was thinking of what I picture as the typical pit bull owner.
He's got facial hair and a pot belly, drinks beer daily, a die-hard Oakland
Raiders fan, rides a Harley and wears a chain someplace on his body as well as
a baseball cap, he probably never went further than high school and works at a
blue collar job. He's trying to portray an image as a tough guy and he thinks
a pit bull will accomplish that.
JMO
Simons Mom
aware that most mindless wonders who do not have a clue about what
wonderful pets Pitbulls make will make comments like yours there is no
surprise there. Pitbulls who have been well taken care of and treated
well and never hurt or abused are not the ones who make headlines for
hurting humans. Why dont you do some research and homework on this topic
before making such comments. And NO I do not fight my dogs do not breed
them...or fight them...nothing of the sort..I do however advocate
spaying them..and I do rescue them...which is more than I can say for
you. As for my foster children...my dogs have been temperment tested. I
think that ANY fosterhome that has dogs of ANY breed should have the
dogs temperment tested seems it was not to long ago a Great Dane killed
a child..and in my state a pom mauled a baby...so..not all baby killers
are pit bulls.
Shannon
OT: ...and out of the woodwork the come...
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 9:40pm (EST+5)
From: tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon)
Simons Mom
not...then..the dog should be put down and the owner should have to
pay...But..I think that if this happened you would have mentioned it way
earlier. We have had our share of attacks here to...and 99 percent were
due to someone not watching thier child or the owner being an
idiot..pitbulls or any other breed for that matter..do not just wake up
one day and say to them self...Hey I really just want to kill the first
kid that comes along...it does not work that way...
But anyway...this is like beating a dead horse..
Shannon
Simons Mom
Rottweiler
American PitBull Terrier
American Staffordshire Terrier
German Shepherd
Cane Corso
Bull Mastiff
Fila Basilerio
These are the dogs that I personally have known to be a target of some
insurance policies. Some may be on all policies but all may not be on
some...
Shannon
GinnZing
>as for
>what I know about dogs...I know about pit bulls...and I know about deaf
>dogs...I do not care to know about fluffy butt mixed breed dogs who
>should have been aborted anyways.
If you had even a shread of credibility up until this statement, it's all lost
now. And by the way:
*
*
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*
*
*
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*
*
***PLONK!***
~Ginny
Brendabythebay
wrote:
>>Ok I just hopped on a website for one of my companies (and they all
>>pretty much follow the same) and here we go:
>>
>>Akita, Chow, Doberman Pinscher, German Shepard, Rottweiler, Wolf
>>Hybrid, Pit Bulls including but not limited to:
>>American Staffordshire Terrier
>>English Bull Terrier
>>Pit Bull Terrier
>>Presa Canario
>>Staffordshire Bull Terrier.
>>
>>German Shepard gets excused with aforementioned certificate.
>>
>>Brenda
>
>I hands down agree with the pit bull, akita and the chow.
>
>I was thinking of what I picture as the typical pit bull owner.
>
>He's got facial hair and a pot belly, drinks beer daily, a die-hard Oakland
>Raiders fan, rides a Harley and wears a chain someplace on his body as well as
>a baseball cap, he probably never went further than high school and works at a
>blue collar job. He's trying to portray an image as a tough guy and he thinks
>a pit bull will accomplish that.
>
>JMO
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
LOL and he goes out and riots when his football team loses? (and or
wins?)
LOL
TresBonBon
>aware that most mindless wonders who do not have a clue about what
>wonderful pets Pitbulls make will make comments like yours there is no
>surprise there. Pitbulls who have been well taken care of and treated
>well and never hurt or abused are not the ones who make headlines for
>hurting humans. Why dont you do some research and homework on this topic
>before making such comments. And NO I do not fight my dogs do not breed
>them...or fight them...nothing of the sort..I do however advocate
>spaying them..and I do rescue them...which is more than I can say for
>you. As for my foster children...my dogs have been temperment tested. I
>think that ANY fosterhome that has dogs of ANY breed should have the
>dogs temperment tested seems it was not to long ago a Great Dane killed
>a child..and in my state a pom mauled a baby...so..not all baby killers
>are pit bulls.
>
>Shannon
You seem to know a lot about me and what I do and don't know about pit bulls.
How is that?
The problem I have with that type of dogs is the power they have. You might as
well keep a tiger or lion. If a less powerful dog bites you, you get some
teeth and puncture marks. If a pit bull get's you, you have large chunks of
flesh torn from your body...IF you survive.
And I don't care how much temperment testing one does on ANY dog, you never,
never know when a dog will bite, ANY dog. The big difference is that another
type of dog will bite and let go, pits have been trained, and it is inherent in
their breed, to bite and hold on with much more powerful jaws. I'd much rather
have a pomeranian "maul" me than a pit bull.
I know that you can't accept that I really do know what I'm talking about so
you can just go about in your fantasy world, but I hope to high heavens that
you never find out what pit bulls really are.
TresBonBon
>not...then..the dog should be put down and the owner should have to
>pay...But..I think that if this happened you would have mentioned it way
>earlier. We have had our share of attacks here to...and 99 percent were
>due to someone not watching thier child or the owner being an
>idiot..pitbulls or any other breed for that matter..do not just wake up
>one day and say to them self...Hey I really just want to kill the first
>kid that comes along...it does not work that way...
>But anyway...this is like beating a dead horse..
>Shannon
IF THIS REALLY HAPPENED? OMG! The dog WAS destroyed and the owner paid (well,
the insurance company did) dearly but that doesn't make a whole lot of
difference to a kid who is now in high school with horrible scars on his face.
If this really happened...??? <shaking my head> Are you for real?
TresBonBon
>LOL and he goes out and riots when his football team loses? (and or
>wins?)
>
>LOL
>
>Brenda
Oh, yeah, I forgot that one. And you're close enough to see it first hand!
:o)
TresBonBon
>
>~Ginny
I'm with you, Ginny. Good Lord, where do these people come from?
spang...@hotmail.com
>
She's a *bitch* who's in denial, Bonbon. Consider the source.
When my brother was little, like your great nephew David (was it David
or Daniel, I forgot?), the German Shepherd (who was raised on a dog
farm with other dogs who were half wolf, mind you) next door bit into
his waistline of his jeans and he *still* has scars from it to this
very day.
People don't make that kind of stuff up about their family members,
Shannon. Your dog is an over adrenalized territorial attack breed and
just like your dog, it seems that is all that you've come to this NG
to do----to purposefully tell small dog owners that their dogs
deserved to be aborted, just like the comment you made about the
chihuahua at the dogs newsgroup.
You're a bitch. Go back to the dog group. We don't need your lazy ass
here if if you apologize to us for what you said about "Fluffbutt"
(your phrase, not mine) dogs.
JN (former small dog owner of 16 years)
Dana M B
around our safe, nice neighborhood on the sidewalk, and some jackass's
pitbull got loose and attacked her. Tore the hell out of her hand.
For awhile it looked like she might need plastic surgery but in the end
it wasn't necessary.
I *wish* my mother had sued.
They are nasty dogs and I don't understand the appeal at all.
Dana
damn straight I'm biased
Brendabythebay wrote:
>
> I think its awful that the companies have to pay out on these lawsuits
> when a lot of the time, it comes down to the "victim's" fault. IN
> once case in NJ, a woman and her 2 year old daughter were visiting the
> insured and while the adults weren't paying attention, the daughter
> pushed a pencil through one ear of the dog right into his brain. He
> bit the little girl's face. This in my opinion, is the mother's fault
> for not supervising her child just as much as the dog owners fault.
> IN a recent case in California, a woman walked up to an insured who
> was walking his dog (leashed) and the woman bent down to pat the dog.
> The owner said "no, don't do that" knowing the dog doesnt like to be
> touched by strangers and she did it anyways and the dog bit her (not a
> serious wound.) The dog was impounded for 14 days and there's a
> hearing now scheduled and he may have to be put down.
>
> Brenda
> (Not a dog owner, but has had to deal with plenty of these issues at
> work.)
> http://www.brendabythebay.com
-
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snipping idiocity at best>
> As for
>a reality check I think your the one who needs it as you treat your dog
>like a prisoner.
You obviously haven't been reading this thread very well. I crate my dog less
than you do, but if you were actually comprehending what you read, you would
know that.
>As far as I am concerned this conversation is over
Good. I can't wait. You are beneath me and not worthy of my time.
> To
>some people thier dogs are thier family..and I and my husband are those
>people....you..sound like a PETA wacko...
My dog is a part of my family, but he doesn't take the place of my child.
Do you have ANY idea what a PETA whacko IS? Lady, you're closer to that than I
am and I doubt you even know what you're talking about in THAT regard, either.
Oh, and tell your friend Yo-Yo to keep his idiot ass out of my inbox. Of
course he doesn't read the ng, but he seems to have gotten to THIS post of
yours before I did.
You're both people who could benefit from some professional help.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snipping>
>As for what I have agreed or disagreed with...I agreed with crate
>training...period. So keep ranting....
You FREAKING IDIOT!!!
*I* am the one who brought up the advocacy of crate training. (That means I am
FOR it.) <eyeroll>
YOU have been arguing AGAINST crate training. NOW you're saying you "agreed
with crate training"?
Give me a break!
Hey, Terry, what does your sig line say? You know, about arguing with idiots?
>maybe your blood pressure will go
>so high you will....well..never mind... :)
I don't have high blood pressure, but then again if I had to listen to YOU
every day, I just might.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>If you had even a shread of credibility up until this statement, it's all
>lost
>now. And by the way:
>*
>*
>*
>*
>*
>*
>*
>*
>*
> ***PLONK!***
>
Well said. I want to see her leaving this ng with her tail tucked under her
genitals first.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
<snip>
>Geeze, no wonder you keep 'em locked up. Do you fight them too?
ROFLMAO!!!!!
TresBonBon
>here if if you apologize to us for what you said about "Fluffbutt"
>(your phrase, not mine) dogs.
>
>JN (former small dog owner of 16 years)
Actually, I like that..."fluffbutt!" :o)
I just gave my fluffbutt a bath and she REALLY does have a fluffbutt right now.
And that's exactly the kind of dog I want living in my house. She's never
destroyed a thing and never hurt a living soul, cat, mouse or person. As much
as I love dogs, I see no reason for a pitbull and think the breed should be
eliminated. (Which, BTW, is exactly what they do at the Detroit Humane Society
when one is picked up. Hmmmm, I wonder why?)
spang...@hotmail.com
>
> >What's an Akita look like, you guys? Is it sort of like a Siberian
> >Husky or something? Anybody know?
> >
> >JN
> >
>
> http://www.driftwoodranch.com/akita.html
>
> Of course you could just have easily done a search on Akitas also.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
Surely, I could have, but my free hand was on the remote control
rewinding my Patricia Arquette/William Devane movie for the video
store. Sorry, I'm not an octopus. I can sort of type with one hand,
but it's damned hard to search the web with only one hand because it
requires the MOUSE. If you can search the web with one hand, more
power to you.
:-) Thanks for looking up the website, Bonbon. I appreciate it. You
know more about dogs, so I figured that either you, Pam DoggGirl, or
maybe Robot (who "loves kritters!" might know a good website off
hand.)
JN
JN
Simons Mom
sued..not all pit bulls are bad..not all babies grow up to be homicidal
maniacs...
The owner should have taken better care of his dog...
Shannon
Re: OT: ...and out of the woodwork the come...
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 11:43pm (EST+5)
From: dana...@hotmail.com (Dana M B)
Simons Mom
here...anyway...my husband and I are the typical american home owners
with a single family 3 bedroom water front home and a SUV in the drive
way...no Harley here...I however do have a tatoo or 2..we do not
drink...can not recall what else you said..though I do agree that most
of the "typical" pitbull owners own the dogs to portray how "tough" they
can be...I got my pitbull by accident..
I was in PetSmart one day shopping for this damn evil cats...and I saw
the ad for this pitbull puppy and every word was spelled wrong including
the word Pit and Bull...anyway...I knew the phone number exchange was
not a good area and the pup would be better off at the humane
society..so I called with the intention to take the pup to the humane
society the next day...and 4 years later...here he lays at my feet...he
is deaf you know..works off of hand commands..and vibrations...and light
signals..very intelligent animal...It is all in how you raise them...it
is all in how much research and home work you do.....
Not all babies grow up to be homicidal maniacs do they???
Shannon
Re: OT: ...and out of the woodwork they come...
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 11:10pm (EST+5)
From: tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon)
Simons Mom
some balls and come back when you can fight for yourself and not when
you can chime in behind someone else ok? As for your brother...well...at
least it wasnt a pitbull....and domestic dogs should never be mixed with
wolf anyway..though you said it was a shepherd...all the dogs on that
farm should have been shot...and AGAIN I repeat myself...Not all fluffy
butt dogs should be aborted just the mutts..the ones people breed cause
they think the outcome will be cute...the yorkipoos...the shih
poos...you get my point...those mutts are the ones who should be aborted
and the parents fixed..as far as an apology...kiss my ass hows that?
Shannon
Re: OT: Re: I got a new puppy
Group: alt.tv.days-of-our-lives Date: Sun, Mar 2, 2003, 3:43pm (EST-3)
From: spang...@hotmail.com (Spang...@lycos.com)