OT: Gay DOOL Actors topic mushrooming to the surface yet again!
Spang...@hotmail.com
Feinstein,
it's pretty impressive he's able to generate the level of sexual
chemistry with
women that he does. Now THAT is acting!
Oh, and just to name names -- the following actors on DAYS are gay:
Matt Cedeno - Brandon Walker
Justin Melvey - Colin Murphy
Thaao Penghlis - Tony Dimera
Kevin Spirtas - Craig Wesley
Not, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, that there's anything wrong with
that!
GH
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You must not know a lot of Greek men. Thaao's Greek and sometimes the
straight ones seems gay even when they're not. Very flamboyant men in
that culture----very kiss-kiss hug-hug and very charismatic. I'm not
convinced that Melvey's gay, either. Spirtas definitely is, as he
publicly/demonstratively declared his affections for former boyfriend
Sean Hayes (Jack on Will & Grace) in Hollywood prior to their break
up.
You forgot to mention Matt Cedeno....VERRRRRRY GAY. Played lots of
sports in high school in Moses Lake, WA to try to cover it up, too,
but the guy is as gay as a fourteen dollar bill.
JN
GnuHopper
truth is there for anyone willing to dig.
Thaao may be Greek, but he's still quite gay. C'mon -- he's a good-looking man
who has never been married, has no children, has never once mentioned in any
interview being involved with a woman. The guy's gay. It's not shameful --
but I refuse to pretend he's not. In fact, it's a testiment to his acting
abilites that he can create sexual chemistry with the ladies as well as he
does.
OTOH, Drake Hogestyn, Peter Reckell, Matt Ashford, and Kyle Lowder are all
definitely straight. Although some of them have played gay characters (Peter
and Matt particularly) they're all devoted family men with wifes and children
-- except Kyle, who is definitely engaged.
The stigma attached to gays in Hollywood will never end until we can just say,
"Yes, he's gay -- so what? He's still a good actor!"
GH
Myself
>Thaao may be Greek, but he's still quite gay.
Thaao Penghlis is Australian. Is the rest of your information this
accurate?
Cleo
"Myself" <mys...@here.org> wrote in message
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No, he is Greek, but lived in Australia.
TresBonBon
>
>Thaao Penghlis is Australian. Is the rest of your information this
>accurate?
Excellent point. I guess George Clooney must be gay too because he's never
married or has any children. Oh, dear, what a waste.
Maybe ALL the guys on Days are gay. Yah, that's it. The ones who are married
are just real deep in the closet. Yeah, that's the ticket. That makes sense,
they wouldn't be good looking and acting on soaps if they weren't gay. ;o)
Golly, even Joseph Mascolo is gay...he isn't married either.
~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
TresBonBon
>> accurate?
>>
>
>No, he is Greek, but lived in Australia.
But he was born in Australia. I think that makes him Australian. If not, then
I'm French and Icebreaker is going to start picking on me.
Jerry
"TresBonBon" <tresb...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
> Maybe ALL the guys on Days are gay. Yah, that's it. The ones who are
married
> are just real deep in the closet. Yeah, that's the ticket. That makes
sense,
> they wouldn't be good looking and acting on soaps if they weren't gay.
;o)
> Golly, even Joseph Mascolo is gay...he isn't married either.
Bonbon, since you and I are from the same generation, I will ask you this
question Do you remember people being as concerned about someone's sexual
orientation forty years ago as some of the people on this ng seem to be? I
am a very visual person so I imagine JN and Ice as having elaborate charts
in their homes and rating everyone that they see or hear about. They say
they don't care but their language is ugly, ugly, ugly, when talking about
the subject so that makes me think that they both protest too much. It is
sort of like those birds that make all this noise when you walk by their
nest to distract you! <G>
Jerry
TresBonBon
>Bonbon, since you and I are from the same generation, I will ask you this
>question Do you remember people being as concerned about someone's sexual
>orientation forty years ago as some of the people on this ng seem to be? I
>am a very visual person so I imagine JN and Ice as having elaborate charts
>in their homes and rating everyone that they see or hear about. They say
>they don't care but their language is ugly, ugly, ugly, when talking about
>the subject so that makes me think that they both protest too much. It is
>sort of like those birds that make all this noise when you walk by their
>nest to distract you! <G>
>
>Jerry
Interesting analogy, Jerry. I think 40 years ago there was such a stigma about
being gay that people only talked about it in hushed terms. I think we (and I
use this term very broadly) are continue to be not fully enlightened, as "some
people" still seem to think there is something wrong with it. I guess it's
like integration...eventually, "some people" will have to understand that there
are many different types of people and that none are better or inferior to the
others. Unfortunately, by seeing how "some people" in this ng act, it probably
won't be in our lifetime.
What amazes me even more is how "some people" seem to think you are inferior
unless you are good looking (very subjective), thin, adored, rich, educated,
traveled, have big boobs, are happily married (once only), or have an important
job. Personally, I'm more interested in what's inside the person. My second
husband befriended a guy while working in a "soup kitchen" who was black,
destitute and a typical bum. He brought him home for dinner (he was always
doing that) and I found him to be one of the most facinating, introspective and
warm human beings I've ever met. I liked him instantly. Unfortunately, he
died shortly after that from complications of alcohol abuse.
Anyway, I hope what I've taught MY kids can someday cancel out the bigotry and
discrimination others have instilled in theirs. And I think we all know who
I'm talking about.
fizzie
GinnZing
I agree with you. Just last week I was channel surfing and found a movie with
Rock Hudson. I had never seen him in a movie before. He was so romantic,
cute, flirtatous, so debonair, so easy with the ladies that I think I fell in
love with him for that moment anyways. Sexy man.
~Ginny
Myself
wrote:
>Excellent point. I guess George Clooney must be gay too because he's never
>married or has any children. Oh, dear, what a waste.
He *was* married and is divorced. Unless I'm confusing him with
someone else, he was married to Martin Balsam's daughter, Talia.
GnuHopper
>Hot is Hot. What difference does it make if Thao is gay....... Tony isn't.
>
Well, that's the point -- being gay doesn't mean an actor can't play straight.
I remember a few years ago getting into an argument with a woman in a video
shop about an Anne Heche movie, because the woman was saying Anne shouldn't be
playing love scenes with Harrison Ford because she was gay (at least, we
thought she was then).
I say acting is acting...the whole point of it is being convincing as something
you're not. And that includes gay actors playing straight, same as straight
actors playing gay. Should Tom Hanks not have played a gay man in
PHILADELPHIA? Should Jodie Foster have not played Richard Gere's wife?
I just say, the actors shouldn't have to hide their real-life proclivities
because silly viewers can't understand how gay actors can play straight
characters. I say, I can accept that Thaao, Cedeno, Melvey, Spirtas, etc are
gay and not have it effect my apreciation of their performances. Be proud of
who you are men!
GH
TresBonBon
>>married or has any children. Oh, dear, what a waste.
>
>He *was* married and is divorced. Unless I'm confusing him with
>someone else, he was married to Martin Balsam's daughter, Talia.
Well, see, there ya go. He went back into the closet because he couldn't hide
it by being married! ;o)
Myself
wrote:
I am enlightened. Thank you, great Bonbon!
Owner and Manager of AST
>
>Excellent point. I guess George Clooney must be gay too because he's never
>married or has any children. Oh, dear, what a waste.
<falling on my knees to the floor with my head in my hands, tears streaming
down my face..>
Noooooooooooooo! Noooo noooo nooo!
Where's my little pink pills when I need them?
<snip>
;^)
eShellzo, Ph.D.
The doctor is in.
Owner and Manager of AST
<snip>
>I
>am a very visual person so I imagine JN and Ice as having elaborate charts
>in their homes and rating everyone that they see or hear about.
<snip>
ROFLMAO!!!
Ooohhh myyyy. LOL. <sigh>
Done in dry erase marker, I'm sure. Is he... or isn't he?
LOL. How utterly titilating.
Me-Belle
>Matt Cedeno - Brandon Walker
>Justin Melvey - Colin Murphy
>Thaao Penghlis - Tony Dimera
>Kevin Spirtas - Craig Wesley
Hi, there is something that I've been wondering for awhile. I am from
St. Louis, MO which is the hometown of Kevin Spirtas. He is a member of
a prominent family in St. Louis that is in the business of building
demolition. A few years ago I saw him and the actress who plays Chloe
being interviewed on a program that generates from here. The interview
took place on the set of Days. They took us on a walk through of the
different sets. The camera suddenly panned over to a lady sitting
watching them. I can't remember if the interviewer mentioned her as his
wife or Mrs. Spirtas. I just remember thinking of her as his wife. This
lady was white-haired and looked old enough to be his mother. I was
totally surprised when I read that he is being called gay.
I didn't come here to refute anything, or to defend him. If he is, he
is, and I am not so naive as to think that being married does not rule
out being gay. I am just curious how one finds out the status of these
actor's sexual preference. Did you read it or hear it somewhere? Are you
going by their marital status or lack of children? Are you sure all of
these men belong on this list? How do you know that they are gay is what
I am asking.
Again, I am not interested in any flame wars. I'm just a curious Days
fan who wonders why it is so important to sift out the gays from the
non-gays. If anyone can enlighten me on my questions, I would greatly
appreciate it, and thank you in advance.
Spangliekins
Naw, actually we both have gaydar implanted chips imbedded into our
left arms. From where I'm standing right now, I can even detect who's
gay in Zermatt, Switzerland. Each chip only lasts five years, though.
I've gotta' go in and get mine replaced in October. Ice is lucky. His
lasts until April. This was all free. We're part of an elaborate
expiriment devised by the Johns Hopkins University department of
Sociology and Human Behavior. We're Guinea Pigs, Dude.
<<Snicker...big grin>>
You think we'd use a wipey erase board? Come on....that's so 1988!
Times have advanced, Man! We can now electronically detect all
deviants, however we both have a pretty good sense just on our own who
is and who isn't. That's how we were selected in the first place for
this project!
;-)
<grin>
JN
Spangliekins
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I read at his website that he was single and I read in the "Seen Heard
Said" column of The Seattle Times newspaper that he was spotted in a
Hollywood Gym that many gay men are members of with Sean Hayes from
the tv show Will and Grace. Then I read about eight months later that
they broke up. Apparently they were both kissing outside this gym and
hanging all over one another inside the gym. Both, to my knowledge
have never come out to the press, but I think that's enough of an
admission of homosexuality if you're acting that way in public.
JN
Myself
(Me-Belle) wrote:
>Again, I am not interested in any flame wars. I'm just a curious Days
>fan who wonders why it is so important to sift out the gays from the
>non-gays. If anyone can enlighten me on my questions, I would greatly
>appreciate it, and thank you in advance.
It *isn't* important, except to the people who are obsessed by the
subject.
Cleo
"TresBonBon" <tresb...@aol.commotion> wrote in message
hmmmm....okee-dokee..... I really thought he just lived there. LOL I did a
check, I was wrong. Maybe it's Mel Gibson who was born in the US and raised
in Australia?
Great, gotta do another net search.......
Myself
wrote:
>hmmmm....okee-dokee..... I really thought he just lived there. LOL I did a
>check, I was wrong. Maybe it's Mel Gibson who was born in the US and raised
>in Australia?
Yup.
Jerry
"Owner and Manager of AST" <eshe...@aol.complicated> wrote in message
> >I
> >am a very visual person so I imagine JN and Ice as having elaborate
charts
> >in their homes and rating everyone that they see or hear about.
>
> <snip>
>
> ROFLMAO!!!
>
> Ooohhh myyyy. LOL. <sigh>
>
> Done in dry erase marker, I'm sure. Is he... or isn't he?
>
> LOL. How utterly titilating.
In my imagination they have nothing so new as dry erase marker but use the
magic permanent markers, you know the ones that smell so bad. They do
their writing on white butcher paper because in their minds there are so
many people and so little time. <G>
Jerry
Jerry
tend to post a lot on the subject. I just thought that maybe turn about
would be fair play. Someone who has kept track of those posters might post
a list of them who feel they have advanced degrees in gaydar. We could
shorten it to a ADIG or something like that? Any takers?
GagaWiz
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:20020721200251...@mb-ma.aol.com...
> Jodie Foster's a lesbian?!?
>
>
> > Should Jodie Foster have not played Richard Gere's wife?
Earth to GagaWiz....it's 2002! Where have you been? We are already waaaay
past Foster being lesbian. We've known that for years and have already moved
on.
_______________
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker - "I'm not an Indian. It's just a coincidence that I
have a love of booze and gambling and a knack for catching syphillis."
spang...@hotmail.com
_______________
Even as a pre-teen in "Taxi Driver" I sensed a Lesbian vibe emitting
off of Foster. As a small youngster she appeared once (or maybe a
handful of times?) on the t.v. show "My Three Sons" as a kid that
Steven's young step daughter knew. That's the *ONLY* time that she
ever seemed girlish to me. In "Freaky Friday" as a kid, she was very
boyish. Growing up watching her as an actress I always felt that there
was something different in her that I did not notice in Tatum O' Neal,
Kristi MacNicol, Melissa Gilbert, and other young female actresses.
I think as an adult, she has great skin, good teeth, and beautiful
eyes and is very striking to look at, but she's still very man-ish and
un-soft looking. There's something about her that has always lacked
femininity. She looks very angular, chisled, and masculine and her
clothing, haircut, and make-up choices have never done much to soften
that. Just like Rosie O'Donnell, she doesn't do skirts or dresses.
Come to think of it---I don't even think I've ever seen her with her
kids in People magazine wearing shorts. She won't tell anyone who the
father(s) of her kids are, either, from what I've gathered thus far.
While I agree that it's no one's business, it raises more questions
about her seemingly obvious lesbian and/or 100% asexual non-dating
choices in life.
When you catch a tremendously strong vibe that a kid who's around
about your age who's a boy seems too much like a girl or vice versa
(as with Foster), usually by the time that kid grows up, you hear
through the rumor mill that he or she is gay or else they're a drug
addict. Happens every time.
JN
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
"Jerry" <jde...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:Xay_8.623$KM6.4...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
> Bonbon, since you and I are from the same generation, I will ask you this
> question Do you remember people being as concerned about someone's sexual
> orientation forty years ago as some of the people on this ng seem to be?
Uh, yeah, well 40 years ago homosexuality wasn't discussed in casual
conversation as it is today. Not only are gays highly visible in most every
field and medium, but even among the heterosexual population homosexuality
is laughed at, laughed with, and is considered "hip" to be open to. Ever
watch The Man Show? Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Corrola are two of the squarest
straights i've ever seen, yet not a single show goes by without some mention
of homosexuality.
You equate talking about gay issues as somehow being "concerned about
someone's sexual orientation". I say that since gays have chosen to go
"mainstream" and take their loves and their lives out of the closet you
shouldn't be surprised to see the topic creep into everday conversation.
Unclench your keister Jerry. Quit getting your panties in a wad. Relax. Take
a deep breath. Don't be so reactionary.
> when talking about
> the subject so that makes me think that they both protest too much. It is
> sort of like those birds that make all this noise when you walk by their
> nest to distract you! <G>
And you protest at our 'protestations' waaaay too much. What are you so
sensitive about? Why do you give a rats fart whether Jen or I "out" someone
on the show? The only defensive one around here on this subject is you.
spang...@hotmail.com
Speaking of George Clooney, I read recently that he's good friends
with Krista Allen. He threw a birthday party a few months back for
her. She's also friends with Chandler from Friends (Matthew Perry). I
recently saw a picture of Krista and Matthew having iced lattes
outside at some Hollywood cafe. She had her hair curled and had on big
sunglasses. It was hard to tell it was her until I read the caption.
He is good buddies with tennis star Jennifer Capriati, too, but says
it's just platonic with Jen. I've never read a comment from Perry
about his feelings for Krista, though, and where those feelings lie in
terms of friends or more. For Clooney, though, it's definitely
platonic. I've read where he talked about her and the way he describes
it, it sounds like he's talking about a younger sister. Very sweet,
but it doesn't sound like their bunking up together or anything. Poor
Krista... I'll take him off your hands, Hon! LOL! Perry is not bad
looking, either. He's my favorite on Friends of the guys.
;-)
JN
Karin
I agree; it *isn't* important. They are actors and paid to do a job. Their
personal lives is their own business.
Karin
Spangliekins
so
sensitive about? Why do you give a rats fart whether Jen or I "out"
someone
on the show? The only defensive one around here on this subject is
you.
_______________
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker - "I'm not an Indian. It's just a coincidence
that I
have a love of booze and gambling and a knack for catching syphillis."
----
What bugs me the most is that Jerry says he was an art teacher in the
public school system for so many years and he's ignorant enough to
think that just because people are "buzzing" about something, they
must be against it. If he taught students for decade upon decade that
those who debate issues pertaining to society's behavioral patterns
and need for companionship are all bigots, than he ought to be ashamed
of himself.
Discussion is a good thing. Our society would be void, empty, and
clueless without it. Human beings of depth discuss. Human beings who
are scared and feeble refer to debaters and avid discussion
participants as "troublemakers", "right winged tyrants", and
"political whackos".
Jerry's problem stems from the fact that he's an old school liberal,
Michael. He knows where we both stand on many of the issues that
plague America today and he's mad at us about it. Therefore, any
hotbutton topic that is discussed by us on here is a red flag for
Liberal Jerry to turn around and say that we're somehow obsessed with
dissing on people who are different than ourselves.
I'm fascinated by people who are different than myself, but I don't
like fakes and I don't like people who aren't straight shooters and
are slinky and clandestine about where they stand on the issues.
Jerry's one of those people. He's *VERY* uneasy about Lesbians, Bis,
and Homosexual men being discussed in *ANY* type of way for over a day
at this place. There's a secret lingering, Ice, and if it doesn't
pertain to Jerry himself, then there's a gay in the family. I find it
very sad that he's so ashamed of either himself or that particular
family member or close pal to the degree of such ridicule on our
behalves. It's always about bullyism to him. No one can just discuss
any societal faction whom he stands behind and supports without him
being on the defensive and whining. That's the sign of a man who's
very unhappy with *HIMSELF*, feels intellectually stunted and/or
inferior, and is utterly paranoid that any and all debate is going to
turn nasty and ill willed.
If he felt well spoken in the *FIRST* place, Icebreaker, he'd not
resort to this type of behavior when these types of discussions about
human behavior and sexuality arise.
JN
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
king about gay issues as somehow being "concerned about
> someone's sexual orientation". I say that since gays have chosen to go
> "mainstream" and take their loves and their lives out of the closet you
> shouldn't be surprised to see the topic creep into everday conversation.
>
> Unclench your keister Jerry. Quit getting your panties in a wad. Relax.
Take
> a deep breath. Don't be so reactionary.
Your idea of reactionay is like saying why not leave a dirty smelly litter
box in the center of the table that you are eating at. There are many
people who would say that for them it ruins the meal.
Ice, you just don't talk about gay issues, you seem to take great delight in
what you say and it makes you look like a jerk! How about not being so ugly
in your language? Do you really think your choice of words or slang is in
the least bit funny or humorous? You know that JN is ugly inside and out
but why do you have to mirror her with your language and lay down in the
gutter beside her? Have you not learned anything from your vast knowledge
of James Bond? I would think you would realize by now that this sort of
thing is beneath you and what purpose does it serve? It just gives me the
creeps to read what you write sometimes and it totally undermines the clever
things that you are capable of coming up with. I ask myself why would
someone who is capable of so much more want to settle for so little?
GagaWiz
anything could be
straight/gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual/crosserdresser/asexual but I didn't
knew Jodie Foster, Sean Hayes, Kevin Spritas or even George Michael was gay,
then.
I just found out that Amanda who played Marcy from Marriage With Children was
also a lesbian..
spang...@hotmail.com
> >Bonbon, since you and I are from the same generation, I will ask you this
> >question Do you remember people being as concerned about someone's sexual
> >am a very visual person so I imagine JN and Ice as having elaborate charts
> >they don't care but their language is ugly, ugly, ugly, when talking about
> >the subject so that makes me think that they both protest too much. It is
> >sort of like those birds that make all this noise when you walk by their
> >nest to distract you! <G>
> >
>
> Interesting analogy, Jerry. I think 40 years ago there was such a stigma about
> being gay that people only talked about it in hushed terms. I think we (and I
> use this term very broadly) are continue to be not fully enlightened, as "some
> people" still seem to think there is something wrong with it. I guess it's
> like integration...eventually, "some people" will have to understand that there
> are many different types of people and that none are better or inferior to the
> others. Unfortunately, by seeing how "some people" in this ng act, it probably
> won't be in our lifetime.
>
> What amazes me even more is how "some people" seem to think you are inferior
> unless you are good looking (very subjective), thin, adored, rich, educated,
> traveled, have big boobs, are happily married (once only), or have an important
> job. Personally, I'm more interested in what's inside the person. My second
> husband befriended a guy while working in a "soup kitchen" who was black,
> destitute and a typical bum. He brought him home for dinner (he was always
> doing that) and I found him to be one of the most facinating, introspective and
> warm human beings I've ever met. I liked him instantly. Unfortunately, he
> died shortly after that from complications of alcohol abuse.
>
> Anyway, I hope what I've taught MY kids can someday cancel out the bigotry and
> discrimination others have instilled in theirs. And I think we all know who
> I'm talking about.
>
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
If you taught your kids to bring homeless drunks over to the house for
supper when there are children like the twins and Dakota around then
somebody needs to LOCK YOU UP and quick. That's no type of situation
that young kids should be around. You're nuts.
JN
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Ice, you just don't talk about gay issues, you seem to take great delight
in
> what you say and it makes you look like a jerk! How about not being so
ugly
> in your language? Do you really think your choice of words or slang is in
> the least bit funny or humorous? You know that JN is ugly inside and out
> but why do you have to mirror her with your language and lay down in the
> gutter beside her? Have you not learned anything from your vast knowledge
> of James Bond? I would think you would realize by now that this sort of
> thing is beneath you and what purpose does it serve? It just gives me the
> creeps to read what you write sometimes and it totally undermines the
clever
> things that you are capable of coming up with. I ask myself why would
> someone who is capable of so much more want to settle for so little?
I really have no idea what brought this on. I don't use slang, such as Turd
Burglar, Ass Bandit or Pillow Biter, to discuss gays. So you can't be upset
about that. And if my opinion on "gay issues" differs from yours, well then
too bad, you'll just have to learn how to live with a differing opinion. And
other than Matt Cedeno or Kevin Spirtas being gay, I haven't mentioned the
subject. So you'll need to be more specific. What is it i've said that
relegates me to the gutter?
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Excuse moi for not being live on Earth for long enough... Grant, anyone or
> anything could be
> straight/gay/lesbian/bisexual/transexual/crosserdresser/asexual but I
didn't
> knew Jodie Foster, Sean Hayes, Kevin Spritas or even George Michael was
gay,
> then.
>
> I just found out that Amanda who played Marcy from Marriage With Children
was
> also a lesbian..
Amanda Bearse, who played the flat-chested, chicken-squaking, over-sexed
next-door neighbor to the Bundys on "Married... With Children" was outed
many years ago. I'm thinking close to 8 years ago. Maybe 10. She has since
given birth to one, perhaps two, children (hopefully none of them are David
Crosby's). The fact that she's a lesbian has not detracted one bit from her
amazing performance on Married With Children. Marcy was one of my favorite
characters from that show and Amanda was underrated as an actress, never
receiving an Emmy nomination for it.
Jodie Foster...gay.
Sean Hayes...gay (he doesn't want to talk about it or address the subject
for fear of "labelling")
Kevin Spirtas...bisexual.
George Michael was bisexual, now living completely gay.
Some others i'll throw onto the list to help you catch up to 2002:
Portia De Rossi (from Ally McBeal)...lesbian. No ifs ands or buts about this
one....she's totally lesbian and has been photograhped with her lover.
John Travolta....gay, but living a heterosexual lifestyle.
Tom Cruise....(possibly waaaaaay in the closet)
Kevin Spacey....gay.
That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure there are more gay people in
Hollywood/New York than this. Right?
Kathy
~~~
Kathy
Spang...@lycos.com wrote in message
<93dd4a82.02072...@posting.google.com>...
>And I have to say, considering Thaao Penghlis is as gay as Harvey
>Feinstein,
>it's pretty impressive he's able to generate the level of sexual
>chemistry with
>women that he does. Now THAT is acting!
>
>Oh, and just to name names -- the following actors on DAYS are gay:
>
>Matt Cedeno - Brandon Walker
>
>Justin Melvey - Colin Murphy
>
>Thaao Penghlis - Tony Dimera
>
>Kevin Spirtas - Craig Wesley
>
>
>Not, as Jerry Seinfeld would say, that there's anything wrong with
>that!
>
>GH
>
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>
>
>You must not know a lot of Greek men. Thaao's Greek and sometimes the
>straight ones seems gay even when they're not. Very flamboyant men in
>that culture----very kiss-kiss hug-hug and very charismatic. I'm not
>convinced that Melvey's gay, either. Spirtas definitely is, as he
>publicly/demonstratively declared his affections for former boyfriend
>Sean Hayes (Jack on Will & Grace) in Hollywood prior to their break
>up.
>
>You forgot to mention Matt Cedeno....VERRRRRRY GAY. Played lots of
>sports in high school in Moses Lake, WA to try to cover it up, too,
>but the guy is as gay as a fourteen dollar bill.
>
>JN
Kathy
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:7aX_8.131136$JU3.60...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> How do you know all these actors are gay?
> >Oh, and just to name names -- the following actors on DAYS are gay:
> >
> >Matt Cedeno - Brandon Walker
> >
> >Justin Melvey - Colin Murphy
> >
> >Thaao Penghlis - Tony Dimera
> >
> >Kevin Spirtas - Craig Wesley
Look BooBear, some things in life you just know. 'kay?
For example Kevin Spirtas was photographed snuggling up against Sean Hayes
several years ago in front of a gay gym. The blond hair kid from Doctor
Quinn Medicine Woman, Chad Allen, was photographed shoving his tongue down
the throat of another dude in some Hollywood pool several years ago. It's
not even a secret anymore than James Van Der Beek from Dawson's Creek was
HAVING an affair with his on-screen father, John Wesley Shipp. JWS got fired
for it, and JVDB's publicist and the network immediately set about arranging
for him to marry his "girlfriend".
PUHLEEZE people....get with the program here. This is OOOOOOOOOOLD stuff.
Read a frickin' paper why don't you.
--
Kathy
experience maybe? Of all the names you "dropped", only one was relevant to
DOOL. Even if Kevin Spirtas is, where is is PUBLISHED that any of these
other actors are?
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Yea, Boo Bear??? And just HOW would you know these "things"???? First
hand
> experience maybe?
Yes. I've personally porked John Travolta and Tom Cruise. Now if we are
through with the assinine questions..
> Of all the names you "dropped", only one was relevant to
> DOOL. Even if Kevin Spirtas is, where is is PUBLISHED that any of these
> other actors are?
Hmmm...well, Chad Allen, who played on Dr.Quinn Medicine Woman has an
official website where it reprints an article from the October 2001 issue of
Advocate where he officially comes out of the closet. Oh, and here are some
pictures of him getting it on with a guy:
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/9896/globepic.html
What was interesting about that article that I just read is how he was fixed
up with women in Hollywood. You bored housewives are always the last to know
because you don't want to know. Travolta...Van Der Beek....they're all gay.
I don't care, but why should you cover up and deny it for them? If there is
nothing wrong with being gay, then quit trying to hide their sexuality from
everyone else. They're GAY!!! Gay, gay, gay!!!! Got it? Gay....Mega gay!
Ultra gay!! Oprah-sized gay!!! Come on! This denial is ludicrous. You're not
fooling anyone.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> John Travolta gay??? I doubt it.....
He was outed back in 1990. This newsgroup has had this discussion way too
many times for me to rehash the same old facts. Go do a Google search
because i'm unwilling to repost all the material for lazy ass people.
--
Spangliekins
You forgot about the blonde guy who played Jonathan and was Samantha's
(Alyssa Milano) little brother on "Who's The Boss?". He's gay. Judith
Light was talking about it on t.v. one time and she's very supporitve
of his whole coming out. They're still friends and still talk
regularly, apparently.
JN
Marley Greiner
It may come as a shock to you, but at one time, people's sex lives were
private matters. Not that people didn't wonder and talk about it,
(Hollywood= scandal, my mother always used to cluck "Poor Wallace Reid") )
but such a thing as personal privacy was still respected--and certain
activities were strenuously kept under wraps lest careers, shows,films, and
studios be ruined. Now, in lowbrow confessional culture we know who sleeps
with whom, who is pregnant by whom, and who is a drunk or a druggie. One
has to get it on with an alpaca today to cause a scandal.
Marley
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> I really have no idea what brought this on. I don't use slang, such as
Turd
> Burglar, Ass Bandit or Pillow Biter, to discuss gays. So you can't be
upset
> about that. And if my opinion on "gay issues" differs from yours, well
then
> too bad, you'll just have to learn how to live with a differing opinion.
And
> other than Matt Cedeno or Kevin Spirtas being gay, I haven't mentioned the
> subject. So you'll need to be more specific. What is it i've said that
> relegates me to the gutter?
It does seem that you are not very positive about a person when you sense
they are gay. I have seen enough of your posts over the past few years to
know that this is true and it demeans you.
I specifically thought that you were the one who used those terms and have
no desire to go back and check. The point is that your posts and JN are
becoming the same in my mind. I apologize if that was not you (although I
am pretty sure it was.) When either of you get on your rants, I just shake
my head and wonder why do they lower themselves this way? I have no problem
with your opinion but are these opinions that you are want to be identified
with? Most of my family was not very gay friendly when I was growing up
(I am 62) and my first encounter with being propositioned terrified me and
I could not get away from there fast enough. I was 18 and must have
stumbled across some place where gays met in downtown Chicago without
knowing what I was doing. I did not even know what I was afraid of and it
turns out that I had taken on the attitudes of others without ever thinking
about what I was doing. With some education I learned that gays do not
choose their lifestyle anymore than hetero's choose their lifestyle. They
don't force their lifestyle on others and you surely must know how talented
many of them are. They make up about ten per cent of the population. Gay
people are as different from each other as straight people are. When you
put someone down because they are gay (or you think they are gay) does it
make you feel more macho or something? I can't imagine that a man who is as
confident as you say you are needs to take such cheap shots at others. I
admire talent, pure and simple, and really could care less about how less
talented people put talented people down.
Jerry
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> It does seem that you are not very positive about a person when you sense
> they are gay. I have seen enough of your posts over the past few years to
> know that this is true and it demeans you.
> I specifically thought that you were the one who used those terms and have
> no desire to go back and check.
You "specifically thought" yet you know these statements to be true about
me. If they are true, there is no need to think. Furthermore, how can you be
so sure if you don't want to go back and check? Doesn't bother me really.
I'm sure i've said something insensitive about gays before.
> The point is that your posts and JN are
> becoming the same in my mind.
That's your problem.
> I apologize if that was not you (although I
> am pretty sure it was.)
Well, which is it? Is it me or not? Do you apologize or not?
> When either of you get on your rants, I just shake
> my head and wonder why do they lower themselves this way?
Because it's fun? Because I suffer from low self-esteem and find
self-validation by picking on the weaknesses I perceive others to have?
> I have no problem
> with your opinion but are these opinions that you are want to be
identified
> with?
Yes.
> Most of my family was not very gay friendly when I was growing up
> (I am 62) and my first encounter with being propositioned terrified me
and
> I could not get away from there fast enough. I was 18 and must have
> stumbled across some place where gays met in downtown Chicago without
> knowing what I was doing. I did not even know what I was afraid of and it
> turns out that I had taken on the attitudes of others without ever
thinking
> about what I was doing. With some education I learned that gays do not
> choose their lifestyle anymore than hetero's choose their lifestyle. They
> don't force their lifestyle on others and you surely must know how
talented
> many of them are. They make up about ten per cent of the population. Gay
> people are as different from each other as straight people are.
Would you like some cheese with that whine, JerrBear? :) I mean really
Jerry, this whole post of yours has turned into an after-school special.
> When you
> put someone down because they are gay (or you think they are gay) does it
> make you feel more macho or something?
Generally.
Where have I taken potshots at gays lately? I think i'm more comfortable
with Matt Cedeno or Kevin Spirtas being gay than you are. At least i'm able
to acknowledge they are gay and move on. The rest of y'all are so defensive
that even when you proclaim that it doesn't matter what their sexuality is,
you do it in such a way as to shut down all discourse. If it doesn't matter
who they sleep with, then what does it matter if I talk about it on this
forum?
I've long since accepted John Travolta is gay. Doesn't mean I don't like
him. I don't think he's a very good actor and he takes on some really bad
movies. I like Tom Cruise as an actor, even though he's probably asexual.
Andy Dick is one of the funniest comedians around. I like his show. But he's
bisexual. I like James Van Der Beeks performance on Dawson's Crack, even
though he's gay. I mean, I buy him as a romantic lead, even though I don't
watch the show. He was pretty good in Texas Rangers, which I saw on video
recently.
Move along folks. Nothing to see here....
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:830ca64a.02072...@posting.google.com...
> You forgot about the blonde guy who played Jonathan and was Samantha's
> (Alyssa Milano) little brother on "Who's The Boss?". He's gay. Judith
> Light was talking about it on t.v. one time and she's very supporitve
> of his whole coming out. They're still friends and still talk
> regularly, apparently.
Yeah, I read that. However, to my surprise, Katherine Helmond has turned her
back on Jonathan Pintauro. And I think even Tony Danza. Considering how
liberal Hollywood is, you'd expect them to be a little more open-minded..
But Katherine Helmond was very, very angry at Jonathan and she was not
joking.
I've heard Jeremy Miller from Growing Pains is gay as well, but I think the
person who said that had him confused with Jonathan Pintauro.
Did you know John Madden was gay? Chew on that fact for a while.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:2E__8.115238$UT.75...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> It may come as a shock to you, but at one time, people's sex lives were
> private matters. Not that people didn't wonder and talk about it,
> (Hollywood= scandal, my mother always used to cluck "Poor Wallace Reid") )
> but such a thing as personal privacy was still respected--and certain
> activities were strenuously kept under wraps lest careers, shows,films,
and
> studios be ruined. Now, in lowbrow confessional culture we know who sleeps
> with whom, who is pregnant by whom, and who is a drunk or a druggie. One
> has to get it on with an alpaca today to cause a scandal.
You can thank "soaps" for that. Those who watch these shows shouldn't throw
stones. You are part of a culture that glamourizes promiscuity and deceitful
behavior.
Marley Greiner
> "Marley Greiner" <maddog...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:2E__8.115238$UT.75...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > It may come as a shock to you, but at one time, people's sex lives were
> > private matters. Not that people didn't wonder and talk about it,
> > (Hollywood= scandal, my mother always used to cluck "Poor Wallace
Reid") )
> > but such a thing as personal privacy was still respected--and certain
> > activities were strenuously kept under wraps lest careers, shows,films,
> and
> > studios be ruined. Now, in lowbrow confessional culture we know who
sleeps
> > with whom, who is pregnant by whom, and who is a drunk or a druggie.
One
> > has to get it on with an alpaca today to cause a scandal.
>
> You can thank "soaps" for that. Those who watch these shows shouldn't
throw
> stones. You are part of a culture that glamourizes promiscuity and
deceitful
> behavior.
"Promiscuity and deceitful behavior" has always been glamorized in the US
but for the few years in New England under the dour rule of the Brewster,
Edwards, and Mather clans and their Roundheads Fathers over the ocean. John
Paul Sartre enjoyed soaps (and Disney cartoons) as do I and presumbbly you
Will you quibble with him?
On a second point, we live in The Age of Confession. The High Confessional
has destroyed the literary autobiography.. The Low Confessional is the
province of Maury and Jerry. Confessionals are entertainment open to
everyone. Confessionals level the playing field so to speak where we all
see ourselves and can feel smarter and cleverer and prettier than those
clods who go public. Even the Rockefellers indulge. My favorite
confessionals are":christian." The first modern confessional that I
remember clearly was Eldridge Clever on the PTL Club--or was it 700 Club?--
after America's favorite rapist turned toy gun revolutionary left the
fashion design business and hit the sawdust trail. Things went downhill
from there. Today, anything goes, and it has nothing to do with glamour,
but everything to do with self-aggrandizement and narcissism. For some
reason celebrities--or even worse, the 15-minute famers-- get props when
they confess to the most ghastly offenses or better yet, perform them on
national television. One used to be ashamed of certain acts, of certain
situations in one's life--or at least practice discretion. Now, it's about
attention-getting and acceptance. I've been married 6 times, and I beat all
my wives and then I went into rehab and now I've joined Calvary Chapel and
everything is great. APPLAUSE!
Maybe some people find this uplifting I can't imagine why. But note that
it is only praiseworthy if a celebrity or talk show bumbler indulges in
this public display of bad taste. If you confessed on this list that you
drank 3 bottles of Jack Daniels Black a day for 7 years do you think
anybody would care? They'd call you a lush and be done with you. .
The celebrity media whores all this confessional crap around and the people
slurp it up, because they're not given anything of substance. They don't
know any better. I'm sure that if tomorrow, nobody knew what Thao or
Kevin's sex lives entailed or we never had to look at a pregnant Courtney
Love or Demi Moore again, we'd all be fine with it. Do people really care
what celebrities do or think or how they dress or for whom they vote? The
truth is that celebrities deserve a private life as does anybody else. If
they want to flaunt their sex lives or bad habits or their politics, that's
their cheap business. But plenty of them don't want to.
Marley
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> Where have I taken potshots at gays lately? I think i'm more comfortable
> with Matt Cedeno or Kevin Spirtas being gay than you are. At least i'm
able
> to acknowledge they are gay and move on. The rest of y'all are so
defensive
> that even when you proclaim that it doesn't matter what their sexuality
is,
> you do it in such a way as to shut down all discourse. If it doesn't
matter
> who they sleep with, then what does it matter if I talk about it on this
> forum?
>
> I've long since accepted John Travolta is gay. Doesn't mean I don't like
> him. I don't think he's a very good actor and he takes on some really bad
> movies. I like Tom Cruise as an actor, even though he's probably asexual.
> Andy Dick is one of the funniest comedians around. I like his show. But
he's
> bisexual. I like James Van Der Beeks performance on Dawson's Crack, even
> though he's gay. I mean, I buy him as a romantic lead, even though I don't
> watch the show. He was pretty good in Texas Rangers, which I saw on video
> recently.
Ice, I gave you my impression of what I have read of yours recently and have
no desire to go back and cite specifics. Someone else's sex life is not
something I give much thought to but perhaps that is a function of my age.
Thank you for taking the time to provide some comments about these actors
which show that you have some appreciation of the talents they have. I
don't care for Travolta as an actor either, I agree that Andy Dick is very
funny. I enjoy Cruise. I finally rented Vanilla Sky to see what that is
all about. I don't see myself as being defensive on the subject (as you
suggest) because there is nothing to defend. I have no personal stake in
these people and I am content with who I am. My interest in sex dwindled
when I got into my 50's and being on Prozac didn't help much either.<G> I
don't like the few word flip answers, that is not my style so if I got too
wordy for your taste, that is your problem (to use your own words.) I
noticed JN is still in her manic stage, I wish people would stop quoting her
in their posts. If Andy Dick is bisexual, doesn't that mean that he just
has twice as much fun?
spang...@hotmail.com
news:830ca64a.02072...@posting.google.com...
> You forgot about the blonde guy who played Jonathan and was Samantha's
> (Alyssa Milano) little brother on "Who's The Boss?". He's gay. Judith
> Light was talking about it on t.v. one time and she's very supporitve
> of his whole coming out. They're still friends and still talk
> regularly, apparently.
Yeah, I read that. However, to my surprise, Katherine Helmond has
turned her
back on Jonathan Pintauro. And I think even Tony Danza. Considering
how
liberal Hollywood is, you'd expect them to be a little more
open-minded..
But Katherine Helmond was very, very angry at Jonathan and she was not
joking.
I've heard Jeremy Miller from Growing Pains is gay as well, but I
think the
person who said that had him confused with Jonathan Pintauro.
Did you know John Madden was gay? Chew on that fact for a while.
_______________
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker - "I'm not an Indian. It's just a coincidence
that I
have a love of booze and gambling and a knack for catching syphillis."
Actually, I read that his name in real life is Danny Pinaturo (with no
second "A", apparently) and that his character's name was Jonathan
Bower (or Bauer? I'm not sure. One website I saw said Bower, so I'm
going with that.)
I've heard a lot of rumors about Jeremy Miller who was "Ben" from
Growing Pains. This isn't the first I've heard of it. I've heard Gay
and Bi rumors about Jeremy. The boy who portrayed Fred Savage's older
brother on "Growing Pains" is gay, too, and very loud and proud about
it. He's totally out of the closet and quite politically active. I saw
him in an interview and I read that part of his political activism
stemmed from his lover dying not too long ago of AIDS. Apparently the
boyfriend acquired AIDS from an earlier relationship and quite
fortunately never passed it on to him, though.
(WHO IS JOHN MADDEN???)
MacKenzie Astin, the redheaded little kid from the last one or two
seasons of "The Facts of Life" (Sean Astin's brother and Patty Duke's
son) has always struck me as another red flag possibility, but I've
never heard whether he is or is not. Mac, (who I think is in his late
20's now) appears in movies every now and again, though, and unlike
Sean (who's a father now and seems to be very straight, although I
heard he recently split from his little girl's mom) he seems *VERY*
gay still to this very day.
JN
MGfriend25
>The blond hair kid from Doctor
>Quinn Medicine Woman, Chad Allen, was photographed shoving his tongue down
>the throat of another dude in some Hollywood pool several years ago.
I didn't even know that! But years ago I called that one.
Margie
MGfriend25
>What was interesting about that article that I just read is how he was fixed
>up with women in Hollywood. You bored housewives are always the last to know
>because you don't want to know. Travolta...Van Der Beek....they're all gay.
>I don't care, but why should you cover up and deny it for them? If there is
>nothing wrong with being gay, then quit trying to hide their sexuality from
>everyone else. They're GAY!!! Gay, gay, gay!!!! Got it? Gay....Mega gay!
>Ultra gay!! Oprah-sized gay!!! Come on! This denial is ludicrous. You're not
>fooling anyone.
And HERE is my beef with most of your posts, Icebreaker. You seem to generalize
every female soap viewer on this board (not to mention every soap viewer) as a
"bored housewife" or a "fat housewife." Here, you once again lump EVERYONE into
one group and say we ALL want to deny that these guys are gay, when that is not
the case with everyone on this ng.
Like I said, I could have told you about the kid from DQ:MW when that show was
still in production. But like others, I have a problem with the allegation
against JVDB. You substantiated evidence of Kevin but I think the one about
James is pure speculation.
Margie
MGfriend25
>stones. You are part of a culture that glamourizes promiscuity and deceitful
>behavior.
And movies and non-Daytime TV DON'T do that???!!! The characters on Passions
are VIRGINS compared to the characters on Friends. They're sluts!
Margie
spang...@hotmail.com
> Yea, Boo Bear??? > ~~~
> Kathy
>
Why are you doing that, Kathy? That's *MY* habit and you can't steal
it from me, Lady!!! I call Jerry Deasy "JerBear" and I started the
teddy bear nickname thing at this NG. You go get your own little song
and dance when it comes to nick names. The Bear routine is MIIIIINE,
all mine, so run along, Sweet Jezzabelle, and go straighten yourself
out, Whoa-Myynn! You think you've got game, but all you did was try to
cash in on *MY* originality, Princess. Get gitchoo your own!
;-) <<Grin/Wink...hehehe>>
JN
spang...@hotmail.com
> John Travolta gay??? I doubt it.....
> ~~~
> Kathy
How many straight guys do you know with a son named JETT?
:-D
JN
Beth aylward
swear they all say they saw it for a fact! he was kissing this guy,
going to this gay club does not make it true. i have worked with john
travolta many many times. he is not gay. he is feminine for a man, but
he is madly in love with kelly. and if he did something gay beofore,
that was before. you can chose to love many types and sexes of people .
he LOVES kelly very much it shows all over his face. and many years ago
a tabloid tried to "out" my friend john wesley shipp from the flash. he
is not gay!! he almost started crying because he knew people were going
to believe it. he was very much in love with a woman. i knew her too.
so, my point. don't believe all the "i swear i saw him in a gay bar
having sex with this one guy. i swear on the bible it's true. and yeah,
i had him too! it is hollywood. people lie. i think if a person wants us
to know about thier sex preference they should let us know. it is not
our job to "out" them. they are humans too with feelings. i would rather
know who is nice and who is nasty. thao is a great guy! gotta love him..
john travolta is one of the best guys i have ever known so is tom
cruise. great human beings. just my thoughts.
beth, actress extrodinere.....
who will not say if she is straight or gay. cause it doesn't matter one
bit.. :)
Beth aylward
danny. and so do i. we used to hang on the set. if you listen to alot
of the shows you will hear a very loud laugher! it is me... thank you.
danny is sweet and precious .don't know about kathryn. she is very
quiet.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
"Beth aylward" <jerse...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16375-3D3...@storefull-2256.public.lawson.webtv.net...
> just because the rumour mill in hollywood gossips about you being gay. i
> swear they all say they saw it for a fact! he was kissing this guy,
> going to this gay club does not make it true. i have worked with john
> travolta many many times. he is not gay. he is feminine for a man, but
> he is madly in love with kelly. and if he did something gay beofore,
> that was before. you can chose to love many types and sexes of people .
> he LOVES kelly very much it shows all over his face. and many years ago
> a tabloid tried to "out" my friend john wesley shipp from the flash. he
> is not gay!!
They didn't try to out John Wesley Shipp...they succeeded. Your friend is
gay as a goose. Funny thing is, the tabs outed him back in 1990 when his CBS
show, The Flash, had come on the air. Now that he plays Dawson's father on
Dawson's Creek, he's been romantically linked to James Van Der Beek. He even
got fired from that show because of the relationship.
Travolta made have suddenly discovered his newfound heterosexuality, but up
until 1990 he was quite happy having sex all over the place with different
men. The Church of Scientology has quite an extensive file on his
proclivities and have used it to keep him from leaving the organization.
They've also used it to marry him off to another Scientologist.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:20020723010523...@mb-ci.aol.com...
> And HERE is my beef with most of your posts, Icebreaker. You seem to
generalize
> every female soap viewer on this board (not to mention every soap viewer)
as a
> "bored housewife" or a "fat housewife."
The ones who are consistently denying that Kevin Spirtas is gay or
bisexual....the ones who refuse to believe anything about John Revolta or
James Van Der Beek or John Wesley Shipp...yes, they are fat, bored
housewives.
> Like I said, I could have told you about the kid from DQ:MW when that show
was
> still in production. But like others, I have a problem with the allegation
> against JVDB. You substantiated evidence of Kevin but I think the one
about
> James is pure speculation.
Well, most allegations start off as speculation with circumstantial evidence
until an actor finally comes out of the closet. For years Boy George was
chastising George Michael about being in the closet regarding his sexuality.
There had been rumors and careless whispers for years about GM, but until he
actually got caught performing a lewd act in a public restroom he'd probably
just be content to stay in the closet.
Now i've seen some circumstantial evidence regarding JVDB that leads me to
believe he's 100% gay (this boy will be getting a divorce within 5 years).
JWS is 125% gay.
I'm going to retract a statement about Spirtas being bisexual because I
don't think that is particularly noteworthy. I think everyone is bisexual or
has the potential to be bisexual if the circumstances are right (i.e. like
prison, a deserted island, single gender private school, etc...)
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
Incidentally, I have no clue where Thaos Penghliss preferences lie. However,
he used to costar with one time Bond candidate Antony Hamilton on the
1988-1990 series Mission:Impossible. Antony was a self-proclaimed slut who
acquired AIDS and died back in 1994 or 1995. Hamilton might've been the
next James Bond, but the producers found out he was gay and decided it was
too big a chance to take.
Marley Greiner
> "MGfriend25" <mgfri...@aol.comMargie> wrote in message
> news:20020723010523...@mb-ci.aol.com...
>
> > And HERE is my beef with most of your posts, Icebreaker. You seem to
> generalize
> > every female soap viewer on this board (not to mention every soap
viewer)
> as a
> > "bored housewife" or a "fat housewife."
>
> The ones who are consistently denying that Kevin Spirtas is gay or
> bisexual....the ones who refuse to believe anything about John Revolta or
> James Van Der Beek or John Wesley Shipp...yes, they are fat, bored
> housewives.
How do you know this? Do you have a hidden camera in all their homes?
Marley
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> How do you know this? Do you have a hidden camera in all their homes?
No. I have a brain in my head. Do the math baby. Why are you so quick to say
that these people aren't gay? Are you ashamed of their sexuality? If their
sexuality is no big deal to you, then quit trying to automatically suggest
they aren't gay.
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > How do you know this? Do you have a hidden camera in all their homes?
>
> No. I have a brain in my head. Do the math baby. Why are you so quick to
say
> that these people aren't gay? Are you ashamed of their sexuality? If their
> sexuality is no big deal to you, then quit trying to automatically suggest
> they aren't gay.
Ice, taking another example from life and applying your logic to the
situation... well, we all defecate at least once a day so why not discuss
this aspect of our lives? It is no big deal and I am sure that some people
have an interesting approach to the subject so why should we deny it?
Answer: BECAUSE SOME THINGS ARE PRIVATE, THAT IS WHY!
I don't think people see actors as real people so when they fantasize about
them sexually, they are just a body with the actor's face on it. When a
man spots a woman with nice breasts or ass and he gets turned on, does it
matter what her preferences are? I don't think so. Maybe your aim is to
knock actors off of their pedestals because you want people to see them for
who they are. Sorry, Ice, it is not going to happen. I liked Rosie for
years since her early comedy days and most recently on her TV show. When
she finally outed herself, it made no difference to me because I would never
know that part of her anyway. I think when you get older you will
understand. Hey, maybe you missed your calling as a gossip columnist?
Maybe you can give that Hollywood flake some competition. Now there is a
solid upstanding career choice. I have seen her on TV a few times, the one
who guessed where Harrison would be married. What an ugly bitch she it, you
have got to at least be better looking than she is? <G>
Kathy
about the gay lifestyle in Hollywood!
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
>
Kathy
even CARE ONE IOTA about the sexuality of these people unless you're jealous
because you cannot be with them???
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> They didn't try to out John Wesley Shipp...they succeeded. Your friend is
> gay as a goose. Funny thing is, the tabs outed him back in 1990 when his
CBS
> show, The Flash, had come on the air. Now that he plays Dawson's father on
> Dawson's Creek, he's been romantically linked to James Van Der Beek. He
even
> got fired from that show because of the relationship.
>
> Travolta made have suddenly discovered his newfound heterosexuality, but
up
> until 1990 he was quite happy having sex all over the place with different
> men. The Church of Scientology has quite an extensive file on his
> proclivities and have used it to keep him from leaving the organization.
> They've also used it to marry him off to another Scientologist.
Ice, you are now officially the new Heda Hopper of this newsgroup. Shall we
address you as the new Queen Bee? I guess that would be Mr. Bee.
Kathy
have PROOF. Proof....know what that means? However you cannot and wil not
ever, ever be able to produce proof because you are just obsessed with these
men and having sexual fantasies about them HOPING AND PRAYING they ARE gay
so you might have that one in a million chance to get with them!!!! Why
else would you put so much effort in writing about it??
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Kathy
~~~
Kathy
Spang...@lycos.com wrote in message
<157dbac2.02072...@posting.google.com>...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> You are sooooo full of shit, Jawbreaker. Seems like you know an awful lot
> about the gay lifestyle in Hollywood!
Don't call me Jawbreaker. It was your mother that had quite a moutful last
night.
Whatsmore, you are a typical dumbass, bored, liberal, Democratic femiNazi
who has absolutley no critical thinking skills. Sorry to burst your bubble,
but I guess all the men that you fantasize about while having unfulfilling
sex with your hubby are all gay. You are too stupid to waste any further
font space on.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> And you, Jawbreaker.....don't be so fast in labeling them gay unless you
> have PROOF. Proof....know what that means? However you cannot and wil
not
> ever, ever be able to produce proof because you are just obsessed with
these
> men and having sexual fantasies about them HOPING AND PRAYING they ARE gay
> so you might have that one in a million chance to get with them!!!! Why
> else would you put so much effort in writing about it??
If I were to hope and pray for a sexual fantasy with a man, I can most
assuredly tell you it would not be with John Revolta. LOL! Really, i'm LOL
as I write this.
What a stupid thing to say, but then again Chatty Kathy, in just the few
short posts i've known you, you've demonstrated that there are no depths to
which you won't mentally plunge. No wonder your husband cheats on you with a
different Waffle House waitress each night. And then you wonder why he has
to take Viagra to get it on with you? Tell us about your sex life Kathy? Why
do you fantasize about men you can't have while having sex with your
husband? They probably would rather pork your husband than even look at you.
ROFTLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> You're denial of NOT being gay isn't fooling anyone, either! Why would
you
> even CARE ONE IOTA about the sexuality of these people unless you're
jealous
> because you cannot be with them???
And why do you care that I care? You're just a nosy, gossipy hen with
nothing better to do than sit around all day and watch NBC's dreadful
daytime lineup while pounding down Yoo-Hoo's, Ding-Dongs and Cheetos!!! How
many pounds have you packed on lately, boo? You know, when the XXX-large
sweat pants that you buy from Wal-Mart fail to fit you anymore....you know,
when you swear you can hear the elastic in the waistband screaming and
begging for mercy, perhaps it's time to lose some weight.
Kathy
quite amused by you, though. Critical thinking skills are not your strong
suit, Jawie. I have extremely well honed cognitive thinking skills which
you, in you wildest gay dream, could never achieve. It is so very
interesting that you seem so fixated on the sexual prowess of men!
Including my husband's, which if he knew that you were, would probably be
forced and compelled to kick your narrow little dumb ass so hard your
grandchildren would feel it!
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Kathy
running amuck in your home, huh? Or, perhaps, like Shakespeare wrote,
"methinks he doth protest too much!"
My sex life is not and will not be any of your business. Maybe you're
envious because I HAVE one and you don't?? Has your blow-up doll developed
a nasty leak??? Credit card been denied on those gay porn websites again???
Tsk, tsk.....
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Kathy
I couldn't care less about your perverted fantasies. You seem to be the one
that keeps talking about all these actors that are gay. I really don't
believe anyone else here gives a big rats ass who in Hollywood is gay!!!
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Jawbreaker, dearie.....FYI -- I'm in no way, shape or form BORED!!! I'm
> quite amused by you, though. Critical thinking skills are not your strong
> suit, Jawie. I have extremely well honed cognitive thinking skills which
> you, in you wildest gay dream, could never achieve. It is so very
> interesting that you seem so fixated on the sexual prowess of men!
> Including my husband's, which if he knew that you were, would probably be
> forced and compelled to kick your narrow little dumb ass so hard your
> grandchildren would feel it!
Your husband is a wuss. I triple dog dare him to come and try and kick my
ass. I actually feel somewhat sorry for the slouch, as it appears you must
have pictures of him in compromising positions with farm animals. Why else
would he snuggle up to your slovenly, greasy fat ass every night?
As for you...yes, you are quite bored. Why aren't you at work? Could it be
that you have no marketable skills other than keeping the couch from hitting
the ceiling? Are you a taste tester for Hostess Snack Cakes? When you jog,
do you leave potholes? When you make love to your husband, does he need a
map for directions?
Your husband couldn't pour water out of a boot if the directions were
printed on the heel. Go do everyone a favor Kathy and shed a few hundred
pounds. You're blocking the sunlight.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> FYI, Jawie.....well, it's none of your business, anyway......
>
> I couldn't care less about your perverted fantasies. You seem to be the
one
> that keeps talking about all these actors that are gay. I really don't
> believe anyone else here gives a big rats ass who in Hollywood is gay!!!
Aha, so you admit you are a fat pig!!!!
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Oh, my my boo bear Jawie.....you are so very, very pathetic. Homophobia
is
> running amuck in your home, huh? Or, perhaps, like Shakespeare wrote,
> "methinks he doth protest too much!"
Kathy, you and Oprah are the reason why there are so many gay men in this
world .Because of you and people like Christopher Lowell, you are sapping
away at the values that once made this country great.
>
> My sex life is not and will not be any of your business. Maybe you're
> envious because I HAVE one and you don't?? Has your blow-up doll
developed
> a nasty leak???
No, but I think I jogged something loose in your mother last night. She
said: "What is it about great sex that always makes me need to take a
dump?!?"
> Credit card been denied on those gay porn websites again???
> Tsk, tsk.....
I'd gladly be the love toy of a Greek army battalion then ever snuggle up to
your fat, pimple infested, hairy, greasy ass. I can only pray your husband
is deaf, dumb, blind, without taste buds and has no sense of touch.
Kathy
you to love and enjoy!!!
Actually, my husband is 8 yrs younger than me. He has quite the motherlode
of stamina! I have no complaints and neither does he! Sorry you can't say
the same.....whenever you manage to break that obsessively strangling
relationship you have with Mamma Thumb and her four daughters, you might
possibly walk outside in the daylight and meet some nice guy to do it for
you!!
~~~
Kathy
p.s. You are a true piece of work (or shit, whichever applies).
Personally, I think you're a big, fat joke!
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Kathy
perhaps, that needs a fork lift to move that elephant-like gut out of the
way so you can search around for that pathetic excuse you call a penis with
a pair of tweezers so you can take a whizz!
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Kathy
Your moniker says alot about you. You're a tiny, insecure little person who
acts all big and bad on an internet newsgroup because that's the safest
place for you to talk your BS. You don't have enough guts to say something
like that to anyone in person.
BTW -- I AM at work..... I could ask the same about you, maggot breath.
~~~
Kathy
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> I've admitted nothing because there's nothing to admit. As opposed to
you,
> perhaps, that needs a fork lift to move that elephant-like gut out of the
> way so you can search around for that pathetic excuse you call a penis
with
> a pair of tweezers so you can take a whizz!
Your father didn't have any trouble finding it last night when he went
downtown (if you know what I mean).
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> And you, Jawie, are praising the highest God's that there ARE gay men for
> you to love and enjoy!!!
>
> Actually, my husband is 8 yrs younger than me. He has quite the
motherlode
> of stamina! I have no complaints and neither does he! Sorry you can't
say
> the same.....whenever you manage to break that obsessively strangling
> relationship you have with Mamma Thumb and her four daughters, you might
> possibly walk outside in the daylight and meet some nice guy to do it for
> you!!
Quit emailing me telling me about how you cry yourself to sleep at night
because your husband has a wet noodle between his legs and can't satisfy
you.
--
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Waaaa, little crybaby Jawbreaker. So afraid somebody might kick his ass.
> Your moniker says alot about you. You're a tiny, insecure little person
who
> acts all big and bad on an internet newsgroup because that's the safest
> place for you to talk your BS. You don't have enough guts to say
something
> like that to anyone in person.
I have and I will.
> BTW -- I AM at work..... I could ask the same about you, maggot breath.
Oh, whorehouses have internet access now?
Kathy
~~~
Kathy
p.s. My dad is dead, so lay off.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker wrote in message ...
Dana M B
>
> Yes, I'll bet you know ALL ABOUT going downtown, Jawie!!!
> ~~~
> Kathy
>
> p.s. My dad is dead, so lay off.
>
You just gave him more ammunition.
Dana
Kathy
~~~
Kathy
Dana M B wrote in message <3D3D9CA7...@hotmail.com>...
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> Yes, I'll bet you know ALL ABOUT going downtown, Jawie!!!
> ~~~
> Kathy
>
> p.s. My dad is dead, so lay off.
Yeah? I knew he was a little stiff last night, but......
Myself
wrote:
People like Icebreaker -- and JN -- are why killfiles are a necessity
for Usenet.
Don't carry on a dialogue with this sick bastard. You just encourage
him.
Kathy
> "Kathy" <sprn...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:pKg%8.304$Og3....@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> > Yes, I'll bet you know ALL ABOUT going downtown, Jawie!!!
> > ~~~
> > Kathy
> >
> > p.s. My dad is dead, so lay off.
>
> Yeah? I knew he was a little stiff last night, but......
Leave my father out of this you shithead.
And just because my man has an underdeveloped penis and can't perform decent
sex in bed doesn't mean he's not a good husband and father. He's a good
provider. He just can't bring me to orgasm, that's all. Then again, what man
really could? My coochie is as wide as the Holland Tunnel from overuse. I
guess banging the New York Jets and Oakland Raiders football teams
simulatenously might not have been such a good idea.
Sherrif J.W. Icebreaker
news:l6arjukv7j5st9k45...@4ax.com...
> People like Icebreaker -- and JN -- are why killfiles are a necessity
> for Usenet.
>
> Don't carry on a dialogue with this sick bastard. You just encourage
> him.
Kathy started it. She may not like my opinions but the minute she opens fire
on me everything about her becomes fair game. She seems to be enjoying
herself so i'm not worried about her.
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > I've admitted nothing because there's nothing to admit. As opposed to
> you,
> > perhaps, that needs a fork lift to move that elephant-like gut out of
the
> > way so you can search around for that pathetic excuse you call a penis
> with
> > a pair of tweezers so you can take a whizz!
>
> Your father didn't have any trouble finding it last night when he went
> downtown (if you know what I mean).
>
> _______________
Cathy and Ice, I can only assume that both of you have watched too many
hours of black comedy tapes that has inspired your juvenile level of
insults. Ice, I have no clue what the hell you are even trying to say and
please don't explain, I am sure I don't want to know. You use to be so
funny with your comments, what happened? You are losing your edge.
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:2Ri%8.985$KM6.7...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com...
> Cathy and Ice, I can only assume that both of you have watched too many
> hours of black comedy tapes that has inspired your juvenile level of
> insults.
Oh, so only blacks are 'juvenile' and insulting? How racist!
I'm just trying to sink as low as Kathy is.
Jerry
"Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker" <icebr...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > Cathy and Ice, I can only assume that both of you have watched too many
> > hours of black comedy tapes that has inspired your juvenile level of
> > insults.
>
> Oh, so only blacks are 'juvenile' and insulting? How racist!
>
> I'm just trying to sink as low as Kathy is.
I was referring to Def Comedy Jam if that is the right name. There seem to
be a predominance of black comedians and yes there insults are very
juvenile. Nothing racists about it.
If you want to sink to a low level then do it with style!!!
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
news:157dbac2.02072...@posting.google.com...
> I've heard a lot of rumors about Jeremy Miller who was "Ben" from
> Growing Pains. This isn't the first I've heard of it. I've heard Gay
> and Bi rumors about Jeremy. The boy who portrayed Fred Savage's older
> brother on "Growing Pains" is gay, too, and very loud and proud about
> it. He's totally out of the closet and quite politically active. I saw
> him in an interview and I read that part of his political activism
> stemmed from his lover dying not too long ago of AIDS. Apparently the
> boyfriend acquired AIDS from an earlier relationship and quite
> fortunately never passed it on to him, though.
Whutchootalkin' bout Spanglebaby? Wasn't Jason Hervey the older brother of
Fred Savage on ***THE WONDER YEARS***? Surely you can't be referring to Kirk
Cameron, who was Jeremy Miller's older brother on ***GROWING PAINS***. Two
different shows, two different sets of actors. And as far as Jason Hervey
goes....he's been married at least twice, has downloaded a couple of babies
and has never shown any signs of any political activism.
>
> (WHO IS JOHN MADDEN???)
Former Oakland Raiders coach.....analyst for Fox Sports and now on Monday
Night Football. Never flies. Always takes the Madden Cruiser. Was always the
"A" team for whichever networked he worked for. Used to be partnered up with
Pat Summerall for decades.
>
> MacKenzie Astin, the redheaded little kid from the last one or two
> seasons of "The Facts of Life" (Sean Astin's brother and Patty Duke's
> son) has always struck me as another red flag possibility, but I've
> never heard whether he is or is not. Mac, (who I think is in his late
> 20's now) appears in movies every now and again, though, and unlike
> Sean (who's a father now and seems to be very straight, although I
> heard he recently split from his little girl's mom) he seems *VERY*
> gay still to this very day.
Mackenzie lost part of an ear or a toe during the filming of a certain
movie. i can't remember which movie it was, but that probably explains why
he's gay.
Marley Greiner
> "Marley Greiner" <maddog...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:9Hb%8.44$pg2....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > How do you know this? Do you have a hidden camera in all their homes?
>
> No. I have a brain in my head. Do the math baby. Why are you so quick to
say
> that these people aren't gay? Are you ashamed of their sexuality? If their
> sexuality is no big deal to you, then quit trying to automatically suggest
> they aren't gay.
>
> _______________
You have me mistaken with somebody else. I never said that. I simply
asked, "who cares?" A person's sexuality is not relevant to an acting role
or to their ability to perform any job-- nor is somebody's sexuality the
public's business particularly. It's a US thing. In much of the Western
world a person's sexual behavior means nothing; but USians are obsessed
with sex, so it means everything. I've spent my life with queers. Why;
would I be ashamed? You're the one making the big deal out of individual
sexuality, and I've seen you do it for years.
Marley
Dana M B
>
> On Tue, 23 Jul 2002 18:14:19 GMT, Dana M B <dana...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Kathy wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes, I'll bet you know ALL ABOUT going downtown, Jawie!!!
> >> ~~~
> >> Kathy
> >>
> >> p.s. My dad is dead, so lay off.
> >>
> >
> >
> >You just gave him more ammunition.
> >
> >Dana
>
> People like Icebreaker -- and JN -- are why killfiles are a necessity
> for Usenet.
>
I don't want to get into a big debate over this, but I don't think Ice
is in the same category IMO. He is over the top but not psychotic.
Ice is up-front about himself, his purpose here, etc. He's so
outrageously insulting I can't take it seriously. I don't believe *he*
believes half of what he says, he just wants to bait people. He's *so*
OTT that I find it funny.
Dana
easily amused?
Sheriff J.W. Icebreaker
> You have me mistaken with somebody else. I never said that. I simply
> asked, "who cares?" A person's sexuality is not relevant to an acting
role
> or to their ability to perform any job-- nor is somebody's sexuality the
> public's business particularly. It's a US thing. In much of the Western
> world a person's sexual behavior means nothing; but USians are obsessed
> with sex, so it means everything. I've spent my life with queers. Why;
> would I be ashamed? You're the one making the big deal out of individual
> sexuality, and I've seen you do it for years.
No, I haven't done this for years. I'm not making a big deal about any
actors sexuality. I could care less. I'm simply stating fact. What's wrong
with stating fact? Matt Cedeno is gay. The issue is not whether I state that
he is, but rather bored bluehairs and lethargic housewives who steadfastly
refuse to even believe for one nanosecond that any of these men are gay.
It's not their sexuality that intrigues me...it's the ostrich mentality of
the posters here who absolutely refuse to consider for a second that it may
be true.
Susan Flannery is a lesbo. Anyone want to refute that as well?
No big deal. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
--
_______________
Myself
wrote:
>I don't want to get into a big debate over this, but I don't think Ice
>is in the same category IMO. He is over the top but not psychotic.
>
>Ice is up-front about himself, his purpose here, etc. He's so
>outrageously insulting I can't take it seriously. I don't believe *he*
>believes half of what he says, he just wants to bait people. He's *so*
>OTT that I find it funny.
I don't, but that's what makes horse races.
Owner and Manager of AST
<snip>
>No big deal. Move along folks. Nothing to see here.
>
ROFLMAO!!!
Do you have aviator Ray-Bans, too?
;^)
eShellzo, Ph.D.
The doctor is in.