OT: All the news on TV
kathy l
but are afraid to say so:
You are not bad or shallow or insensitive people. You're not
unpatriotic. You're only human. Didn't Mayor Guliani say that we
should go on with our lives; to go out to dinner, or to a show. The
way to show the terrorists that they have not won is to continue to
live the good life that we have here in America. Not by sitting
mesmerized in front of our televisions watching the towers collapse
over and over again.
It's ok to not want to wallow in the tragedy. Many people will holler
at you for your insensitivity but they're not really mad at you.
They're mad at the terrorists who unfortunately are not available to
be hollered at or lynched.
Personally I think that the news media gets a little bit carried away
with their reporting. They go on for hours with really very little to
say. I don't like to see such an awesome and horrific event
trivialized with a slogan "Attack on America". I don't care what
dozens of pundits think about the situation. This is not just the
latest media event, like OJ or Monica.
I think we have enough all news channels as well as the internet and
the morning, noon, and nightly news shows to convey all of the
information that the public needs to know. Why glamorize the event
with all this extra coverage for days and days. How many times do we
have to watch those planes crash again?
I have to admit that I've been compulsively sitting in front of the
tv, gazing in shock and horror and disbelief at this tragedy ever
since it happened. But I'm not so sure that this is a good thing.
And I certainly don't blame anyone who wants to turn it off for a
while.
--
kathy l
~ "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
Thumper's father's advice ~
Marilee317
>should go on with our lives; to go out to dinner, or to a show. The
>way to show the terrorists that they have not won is to continue to
>live the good life that we have here in America.
I saw a segment on CNN last night about Israel. There were people eating pizza
in a restaurant that had been rebuilt after a bombing a month ago. The people
there were saying that you have to go on with your life....if you can't then
that is a true victory for the terrorist. You can not allow them to make you
stop living.
Mare
Amy
>unpatriotic.
ITA. I am also wanting to watch other things. I am getting tired of watching
the same thing over and over again. I am also tired of cartoons. I am wanting
to watch some regular programming so I can laugh again. I think we all need
something to get our minds off of NYC and DC if only for 30 min. We need it to
stay sane IMO
Amy
Sophie
pizza
>in a restaurant that had been rebuilt after a bombing a month ago. The
people
>there were saying that you have to go on with your life....if you can't
then
>that is a true victory for the terrorist. You can not allow them to make
you
>stop living.
>Mare
And actually it's probably safest to do stuff now. I think with all the
security we've got up now, nothing will happen. As soon as we relax and let
our guard down, I'll think something will happen again. Just my gloomy
opinion. Lol. I kept my daughter out of school yesterday (we live on a
military base and would have had to leave base to take her and go through
too many check-points) but she's going tomorrow and I'm going to do some
errands. Got to get back to *normal* sooner or later.
--
Sophie
See us at www.mcgehees.com
Dana M B
Rent a comedy...
-
amanda
tire of it, I can turn it off, read a book, go outside, whatever...the
thing that really got to me today, is that they don't really have
anything to say and when they do say it, it's often untrue. I went
around all day today buoyed by the fact that 5 firemen were rescued. The
reporters had details about the 5 brave men stuck in an SUV for 50
hours. This evening, they come on and say "sorry" the report was false.
Check your facts, reporters! What a downer.
amanda
Brad Curtis
This whole event reminds me of Airport '75 & '77 which I recently rented just a
few months ago.
Not that I am tired of the news, but I too need to get some comic relief. In
fact, that's what I'm planning to do tonight and have some popcorn.
Brad Curtis
Founder, Creator, & Writer of Fantasy Spoilers
Future Author of Shores of Lauderdale
Amy
>
>-
Is that your answer for everything Dana? I am not the only one wanting to watch
something else. Others are just afraid to speak up because they will get
flamed.
Amy
Dana M B
It's the first time I used that answer, Amy. You said you wanted a
comedy, I gave a suggestion. It's a valid solution to the problem, I
don't see how that was a flame.
If you want to know what i really think, I think it's insensitive of you
to want the news turned off just so you can laugh.
You asked, I answered, and if you consider this a flame, so be it.
Dana
Spanglebaby
If they get flamed so be it. People are just looking for an outlet, it
seems. You're a better mom for showing your baby cartoons than the news.
JN
Amy
It may be the first time you suggested a comedy but it isn't the first time you
suggested to watch something else.
>If you want to know what i really think, I think it's insensitive of you
>to want the news turned off just so you can laugh.
Now I am insensitive to want my daughter to see her Mommie laughing and having
fun with her and not seeing her crying at the tv all time? Whatever! Kids sense
when something is wrong and my daughter has sensed it because she has come into
the bedroom and seen me crying. Yeah I turn the channel fast to cartoons or
whatever but I need to show her that Mommie is ok and that Caiti is going to be
ok and in order to do that I need to be myself again and to be myself I have to
laugh. I am a happy go lucky person and always smiling but smiling the past few
days has been rare if at all. So I guess according to you I am insensitive.
Whatever!
Amy
Spanglebaby
I think it's a *MAJORLY* good choice to show her cartoons, which I've
said already, but if I had it my way all of the people who are
complaining about their sports coverage (and you *DID* mention going to
the Nascar webpage and trying to find out about the race. You also
mentioned your Nascar chat) would get their sports tickets ripped in
their face and thrown into a trash compactor.
People are looking for their kids, brothers, sisters, and spouses
*STILL* and I just cannot comprehend how some others are worried about
when they'll see the NFL, Major league baseball, Nascar, etc. One of the
people who died on those AmAirlines and United flights was a Hockey
star, Amy. What if it had been Mike Waltrip? Remember when Dale died?
Remember how you felt, Amy?
That hockey player's teammates are in mourning and a few of you are
worried about when the sports games and races will resume?!?!?! You say
whatever to Dana and I say WHATEVER to you, unfortunately. You're a good
mom for shielding your child; A BRAVE MOM for leaving the room so that
she does not see you cry and thus feel unsafe. I'm proud of you for that
but I'm not happy about your need for sports in a time when teammates
and families are up s**t creek paddling backwards, honestly...
Stay brave and keep your kid's eyes out of harm's way. I just don't want
to hear about your need for sports right now or anyone else's, which is
nothing personal toward any of you. Competitive forces have beat us
DOWN, Amy. I'm in no mood for competitive sports right now and I don't
know how you could be.
JMO, and thank you for being responsible enough to protect Caitlin from
all of this crap. It's got to be rough with your husband on the road
right now. It's terrible timing for everyone in such a predicament.
JN :-)
TackneyNYC
>DOWN, Amy.
One small correction--No terrorist will EVER beat us down as Americans. :-)
They may have delivered a punch, but we'll get them in the next round.
Donna
"There is one quality greater than hardness of heart, and that is softness of
head" - T. Roosevelt
Jason and Christine
kathy l wrote:
I am not disputing what you say here, however if you read Robots initial
post, it was rather cold hearted, which he now says he didn't mean that
way.
Spanglebaby
Robot is a *FEMALE*!!!! Maybe if you read her posts more often, you'd
have known that???
:-(
JN
Spanglebaby
Other people here apologized, too. These are trying times. Try to be
patient and expect people to lash out. It's bound to happen, really...
JN
Spanglebaby
They beat us down *temporarily*, but we'll get back up. We'll avenge our
fallen countrymen. I've no doubt. It's like that Whitney Houston song...
it was "One Moment in Time"....only ONE.
:-D
TresBonBon
>have known that???
>
>:-(
>
>JN
And maybe if you weren't so ready to jump to conclusions you would have known
she meant 790 Robothead, not Robot.
~~~ Bonbon ~~~
Dana M B
>
> >If you want to know what i really think, I
> >It's the first time I used that answer, Amy
>
> It may be the first time you suggested a comedy but it isn't the first time you
> suggested to watch something else.
True, and I'd suggest it again.
>
> >If you want to know what i really think, I think it's insensitive of you
> >to want the news turned off just so you can laugh.
>
> Now I am insensitive to want my daughter to see her Mommie laughing and having
> fun with her and not seeing her crying at the tv all time?
That is absolutely not what I said. I said it's insensitive to want
regular tv back on. Full stop. I never said it was insensitive to want
to watch something else. In fact, I've repeatedly stated I totally
understand that, I just don't think you should bitch about regular
programming not being on. You have many options out there, NO ONE is
forcing you to watch the news. However, why should others who need the
coverage be forced not to get the news because some people can't put in
a video or (*gasp*) find something besides tv to take their minds off
it?
> Whatever! Kids sense
> when something is wrong and my daughter has sensed it because she has come into
> the bedroom and seen me crying. Yeah I turn the channel fast to cartoons or
> whatever but I need to show her that Mommie is ok and that Caiti is going to be
> ok and in order to do that I need to be myself again and to be myself I have to
> laugh. I am a happy go lucky person and always smiling but smiling the past few
> days has been rare if at all. So I guess according to you I am insensitive.
> Whatever!
Again, not at all what I said. However, if that's what you want to read
into it, even if you're totally wrong, that's your right.
*shrug*
Dana M B
>
> >Competitive forces have beat us
> >DOWN, Amy.
>
> One small correction--No terrorist will EVER beat us down as Americans. :-)
> They may have delivered a punch, but we'll get them in the next round.
>
> Donna
>
>
That is so true. I am more patriotic, more proud to be an American now
than I ever have been in my life.
Spanglebaby
It said ROBOT. The only robot here is a female.
JN
TresBonBon
>
>JN
Yet *I* knew who she was talking about. Maybe because I have more common sense
than you.
~~~ Bonbon ~~~
TresBonBon
>>
>> >Competitive forces have beat us
>> >DOWN, Amy.
>>
>> One small correction--No terrorist will EVER beat us down as Americans.
>:-)
>> They may have delivered a punch, but we'll get them in the next round.
>>
>> Donna
We get knocked down
But we get up again
Nobody's gonna keep us down...
~~~ Bonbon ~~~
Spanglebaby
Get lost.
JN
790Robothead
Dana M B wrote:
turn on CNN...
790Robothead
Amy wrote:
> >If you want to know what i really think, I
> >It's the first time I used that answer, Amy
>
> It may be the first time you suggested a comedy but it isn't the first time you
> suggested to watch something else.
what the hell are we supposed to watch? I bet UPN and WB's been getting great
ratings over the last 24 hours.
790Robothead
Dana M B wrote:
and I think it's really horrible that you see those of us who want something else as
these evil people who have no hearts. I donated blood you ass! I had my blood
sucked out, shipped across the border and used to save 4 people's lives. So give it
a rest!
790Robothead
Spanglebaby wrote:
really? *grabs between legs Are you sure?
Dana M B
> >
> > -
>
> turn on CNN...
Sure, I can do that. What about those who can't afford cable?
Dana M B
>
> what the hell are we supposed to watch? I bet UPN and WB's been getting great
> ratings over the last 24 hours.
>
>
Put in a video.
Or, shocking thought here, don't watch anything. Read a book, listen to
music, surf the net, go out with friends...
Dana M B
>
> and I think it's really horrible that you see those of us who want something else as
> these evil people who have no hearts. I donated blood you ass! I had my blood
> sucked out, shipped across the border and used to save 4 people's lives. So give it
> a rest!
Funny that I never said you were evil without a heart. Funny, too, that
throughout your time here at this ng I have never once called you a
name. If that's how you want to cope, fine, but I'm very disappointed.
dhlambert
TresBonBon wrote:
>
> We get knocked down
> But we get up again
> Nobody's gonna keep us down...
>
> ~~~ Bonbon ~~~
>
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Not too many Grandmas like Chumbawumba! :o)
Heather
>
790Robothead
Dana M B wrote:
radio
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
Well that makes it even worse then. Perhaps her post have never interested me
JN. If you are just teasing fine, if that was a snotty remark....never
mind...love and peace, love and peace..
Christine
Amy
>than I ever have been in my life.
Same here. This morning, when getting dressed I was looking for red, white and
blue to wear, I don't have anything red :( Going to go out and get me something
now.!
Amy
Jason and Christine
TresBonBon wrote:
Thank you Bonbon, I don't know who is who around here...I KNEW the person who
posted that comment was a he....Robot, my apologies for confusing you...I am sure
JN apologies as well...don't you?
Christine
>
>
>
Amy
Point being I want to get AWAY from it for awhile, turning on CNN doesn't get
me away from it.
Side note: Today I should have no problems thinking about something else, got
lots to do today, laundry, hair appt, pack, etc...should be in a better mood
too :)
Again I want to apologize to you Dana.
Amy
Amy
>great
>ratings over the last 24 hours.
Like others have said..there are always movie rentals.....we have about 50
movies here and I have seen them all probably 20 times..time for something new
Amy
Amy
>as
>these evil people who have no hearts
This is why I think we need a break for awhile if even 30 minutes. We are
blowing up at one another
Amy
Dana M B
What about those who are like you and want their songs on instead of
news? Or is it only your tv programs that are important?
Dana M B
Not necessary Amy. We were/are both on edge but I think it's
commendable that we were still able to work through it. I have
absolutely no hard feelings, just regret about some of my words.
Hope you and your daughter have a great day!
Amy
Thanks. And we will. Caiti gets to spend sometime with Grandma and Grandpa and
Mommie gets to have some alone time...lots of thinking is what I will be doing.
Amy
790Robothead
Dana M B wrote:
there are all news stations. And music stations don't carry the news.
Mandate & licence issues.
Dana M B
Really? Many stations were carrying ONLY news the past few days.
Oh, and what about the deaf?
They can't HEAR the news.
I'm not trying to be overly PC, just pointing out that there is not a
solution except to turn it off if you are tired of it.
Spanglebaby
Try reading a book if you're sick of your movies.
JN
Spanglebaby
I read it as Robot and there's only one Robot here. I made no mistake. I
was WRITTEN AS A MISTAKE, therefore I've nothing to apologize for. I
read it correctly and it was written wrong. For anyone to say I wasn't
using common sense is ridiculous. There is one Robot here, and she's
female. I won't accept the blame for someone else's wrongdoing. No can
do.
JN
Spanglebaby
I'm not teasing, so I don't know what the heck you're referring to. I
just know that she's a female and that if two people here are of a
different sex with the same or nearly the same name, I should be aware
enough to know the difference.
JN
TAR
which is being transmitted via the Empire State Building, I haven't
gotten any TV stations since Tuesday morning. We who live here are
still very much in shock, and need to watch the news in order to absorb
all that has taken place. It just helps to digest it all... to
comprehend, to feel, to cry. The whole incident is surreal for most of
us, as many still walk around in disbelief and in somewhat of a daze.
Since this took place, we have hardly seen anyone smile. Here, it's not
a matter of looking insensitive if we do. Nearly every one of us has a
story of horror to tell, whether it be a personal one, or that of a
friend or relative. It seems that not much else has been on our minds,
as all conversations are about this horrendous attack. Many of us have
barely eaten or slept.
I have heard of others who have gone outside of the city...even an hour
outside of the city. I'm told that most people there are angry, and
they are very sad. But I have heard that it's a slightly different
atmosphere in that their lives have not completely stopped, as ours
have. People can still smile and go on with life. Here, unfortunately,
it is a much different story. It's just too soon. We have been through
an enormous tragedy which has touched our lives in a deeply personal
way. It will take some time to heal, but we will. New Yorkers are a
tough breed. We'll get through this, and we'll come back even stronger.
My heart goes out to all the victims, their familes and friends. I'm so
sorry for what you're going through. You're continually in my prayers.
- Donna R.
> ~ "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all."
> Thumper's father's advice ~
Spanglebaby
I saw a school bus late week full of about eighteen little kids and the
same thing happened. Not one of those kids was smiling, laughing, or
playing and teasing with the other children. They were all sad, pouty,
disappointed, and unhappy. It is the first time in my three decades on
Earth that I've ever seen a school bus filled with no sounds coming out
of the windows; no joy or laughter; only sorrow and sadness. I was
paralyzed with shock and what those faceless, cowardly, murdering
fuckwit idiots have done to my country's little children.
JN
Kim
his screen name now that he's changed it. Robot, on the other hand, SHE did
not make a innappropriate post, IMO.
--
-Kim AST2 PH #10D
"The most wasted of all days is one without laughter."
E.E. Cummings
alt.tv.days-of-our-lives pic page
http://www.geocities.com/papayakiller
"Spanglebaby" <spangl...@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:3BA235...@lycos.com...
> > > > > To Robot and Heatherrrrr and all the others who want their TVs
back
> > > > > but are afraid to say so:
> >
dhlambert
Kim wrote:
> Me think she was referring to 790's comments but called HIM Robot because of
> his screen name now that he's changed it. Robot, on the other hand, SHE did
> not make a innappropriate post, IMO.
>
> --
Actually, he didn't change it. He just went back to the original,
unabbreviated version he used long ago.
Heather
amanda
TAR wrote:
My heart goes out to *you*, Donna, for actually witnessing our nation's
most horrific tragedy and having to deal with it on a daily basis. Stay
strong. :-)
amanda
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
Love and Peace JN, love and peace. It's ok to be wrong.
Jason and Christine
Kim wrote:
> Me think she was referring to 790's comments but called HIM Robot because of
> his screen name now that he's changed it. Robot, on the other hand, SHE did
> not make a innappropriate post, IMO.
Thank you..>I was referring to 790's post......Robot the "female" did nothing
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
> Jason and Christine wrote:
> >
> > kathy l wrote:
> >
> > > To Robot and Heatherrrrr and all the others who want their TVs back
> > > but are afraid to say so:
> > >
> > I am not disputing what you say here, however if you read Robots initial
> > post, it was rather cold hearted, which he now says he didn't mean that
> > way.
>
> Other people here apologized, too. These are trying times. Try to be
> patient and expect people to lash out. It's bound to happen, really...
>
> JN
You should take your own advice there JN. Go back a few post and have the
same amount of patience for me for saying robot instead of 790robothead.
Christine
Jason and Christine
Well I can never gage your mood JN, you flip from "Snow White" to the "Wicked Witch" in a matter of a few posts. I *thought* you might be ribbing me for making a simple mistake, but in fact I see you are serious and have no patience even though in a similar post you told me that...
"Other people here apologized, too. These are trying times. Try to
be
patient and expect people to lash out. It's bound to happen, really...
JN"
So please heed your own advice...
Christine
Dana M B
I'm copying this post in another newsgroup, I hope you don't mind.
Dana
Spanglebaby
Most people here call him Sev or 790 and not Robot. If you cannot accept
the fact that you messed up, I'm not going to take the blame on your
behalf. There's one Robot here. He ain't the one, so quit bitching at
me.
JN
Spanglebaby
You are a whining easy bleeder, Christine. Get off my case before I
verbally backhand you for being so insipidly ridiculous.
JN
Spanglebaby
This is your THIRD FRIGGIN' RESPONSE TO MY POST. You really need to give
it a break and fucking quit, you little whiner.
JN
ROBOT
Okay- MY name is ROBOT [since 1977, even before I heard of KRAFTWERK], and
yes, I am a FemBOT. 790 Robothead [named after the character on LEXX] is a
MaleBOT. HE made the post "I want my TV back" and I responded to it, along
with a bunch of other people. Most people were mad at 790 and thought he was
being "cold-hearted". [I don't think he meant it to come out "flippant" like
that.] I merely made a statement like "we ALL crave 'normalcy', but things
will never be 'normal' again." and I mentioned agreeing with needing a
break. I als mentioned "I want the WTC back- I want those LIVES back-".
There was also another thread about "what do you do for a break?" where
everyone peacefully discussed "Brady Bunch", etc- and I mentioned
"Ponderosa"- when CNN gets to be overwhelming, there's always SCI-FI Channel
and PAX, etc. Anyway, 'ROBOT' and '790 Robothead' ARE similar names, so,
there's bound to be some confusion as to who said what. Now, please, let's
not fight. Life is too precious....
PEACE,
ROBOT
790Robothead <jh...@execulink.com> wrote in message
news:3BA17B62...@execulink.com...
>
>
> Spanglebaby wrote:
>
> > Jason and Christine wrote:
> > >
> > Robot is a *FEMALE*!!!! Maybe if you read her posts more often, you'd
> > have known that???
> >
> > :-(
> >
> > JN
>
> really? *grabs between legs Are you sure?
>
kathy l
wrote:
>WHOA-WHOA-WHOA!!
>Okay- MY name is ROBOT [since 1977, even before I heard of KRAFTWERK], and
>yes, I am a FemBOT. 790 Robothead [named after the character on LEXX] is a
>MaleBOT. HE made the post "I want my TV back" and I responded to it, along
>with a bunch of other people. Most people were mad at 790 and thought he was
>being "cold-hearted". [I don't think he meant it to come out "flippant" like
>that.] I merely made a statement like "we ALL crave 'normalcy', but things
>will never be 'normal' again." and I mentioned agreeing with needing a
>break. I als mentioned "I want the WTC back- I want those LIVES back-".
>There was also another thread about "what do you do for a break?" where
>everyone peacefully discussed "Brady Bunch", etc- and I mentioned
>"Ponderosa"- when CNN gets to be overwhelming, there's always SCI-FI Channel
>and PAX, etc. Anyway, 'ROBOT' and '790 Robothead' ARE similar names, so,
>there's bound to be some confusion as to who said what. Now, please, let's
>not fight. Life is too precious....
Hey, my mistake Robot. I addressed my post to you and Heatherrrrrrrr,
not realizing that 790Robothead and you were different posters. My
bad. I am sorry for the confusion. I had my bots mixed up. But I
think I've got it now. I never meant to dis anyone, I only wanted to
say that whether a person wanted news or relief from news didn't
matter. Like you said, Life is too precious....
Nancy Vanco
Is whiner your 'word of the day'?
You have done two responses all week long to many messages..
Or is it different for you?
Watcher Mom
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
lol I'm so scared. roflmao!
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
Blah blah blah blah......
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
Sticks and stones may break my bones.......so...you can respond to all of them...but I
can't? You make me laugh.....
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
Well I haven't been here for 6 years dopy. I made a flippin' mistake, you are the
one more concernd...Robot, Sev and not one single other person cared! Except you
of course....little suprise there...
Jason and Christine
ROBOT wrote:
> WHOA-WHOA-WHOA!!
> Okay- MY name is ROBOT [since 1977, even before I heard of KRAFTWERK], and
> yes, I am a FemBOT. 790 Robothead [named after the character on LEXX] is a
> MaleBOT. HE made the post "I want my TV back" and I responded to it, along
> with a bunch of other people. Most people were mad at 790 and thought he was
> being "cold-hearted". [I don't think he meant it to come out "flippant" like
> that.] I merely made a statement like "we ALL crave 'normalcy', but things
> will never be 'normal' again." and I mentioned agreeing with needing a
> break. I als mentioned "I want the WTC back- I want those LIVES back-".
> There was also another thread about "what do you do for a break?" where
> everyone peacefully discussed "Brady Bunch", etc- and I mentioned
> "Ponderosa"- when CNN gets to be overwhelming, there's always SCI-FI Channel
> and PAX, etc. Anyway, 'ROBOT' and '790 Robothead' ARE similar names, so,
> there's bound to be some confusion as to who said what. Now, please, let's
> not fight. Life is too precious....
>
> PEACE,
> ROBOT
Thank you ROBOT, for allowing me to make a mistake. It's difficult to be
perfect all of the time :-)
Jason and Christine
Nancy Vanco wrote:
Of course it's different for her. She just makes me laugh, nothing she says or
could possibly say could make upset me. Even if she called me the most horrible
name or whatever she might do...she doesn't know me! lol
Spanglebaby
I haven't been here for six years either. Nor has 790. Now who's dopey?
JN
Spanglebaby
Well, that was sure a waste of a post. Got something to say? Say it. I'm
not intimidated by you. In fact, if we lived in Lilliput, I'd be
Gulliver right now and you'd be one of the little people because all you
are is little and small minded to me, Christine. Easy come, easy go. I
dare you to have half the balls in your life that I do, and you know
what? You'll never come through on my dare, either.
JN
Jason and Christine
Spanglebaby wrote:
lol, what dare is that? To have balls? Are you trying to confess something?
I'm not expecting you to be intimidated JN, it wasn't my intention. I have better
things to do actually. Your jibber jabber might frighten others, might intimidate
others, but to me it just is a source of humor. I've read your words addressed to
many people on here over the last 2 months, it's just a recycled script of deep seeded
anger.
Kim
then he switched and added on to it.
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