OT: Bea Benaderet/Petticoat Junction
Collins1796
In real life Bea was an extremely ill woman. But one who didn't care about that
aspect. The whole demise, which sounds very cruel to say, was at the hands of
tobacco. She wasn't just addicted. Tobacco was more important to her than
taking a clean breath.
Now on the show she missed the last 8 of 9 episodes of season 5. You see she
found out while being hospitalized for the second time in 1968 that Rosemary
Decamp (Aunt Helen) was using her General Services Studios (where they filmed
PJ) parking space. How? Simple. Our late Rosemary Decamp wrote her a very kind
lovely letter hoping that she would be better. And mentioned that she was using
her parking space. In those days parking spaces were royalty. Well Bea went
ballalistic. She did trump on Rosemary which was not the coolest thing to do
and absolutely insisted on getting out of that hospital and getting on the
final episode no matter what it took. From what I gathered up Bea was like a
ferocious tiger to be there. The writers decided they had to write just the
write script for this. Very carefully. They called it, "Kate's Homecoming".
That assured Bea that she would be back (on the show) in her mind. There was no
question that Bea looked terrible as a human being. Obviously all the treatment
had taken a hell of a lot out of her. Plus she was still sneaking smokes every
chance she could get. She never cared from where or who.
During that 8 episode run they did use every kind of reflect thought to just
bounce that question about "where is she". Even after she passed away for a
couple of episodes in season 6 it was still done.
The answer is this. In those days innocence was the key. Even if it was the
main character (with that being so highly unusal) because that is how things
worked. It was 34 years ago when she died and TV was so, so different.
Paul Henning was not writing PJ. Yes, he did overlook it. But as a mass of
writers they decided to just let the show flow. Kind of like how they flowed
girls. It may not seem right to you now. But you have to go back to those days.
They had just a few episodes and then they introduced June Lockhart as Dr.
Craig. No, she wasn't a replacement for Bea. That was never considered or could
be. Paul just wanted an older woman to have the role of Dr. whose office would
be in the Shady Rest. That would keep more activity in the hotel. And also a
strong leading role as well. He got all of that with June. Whether you like
that or not they really had two choices according to Paul. Close it up or go as
they did. Rosemary could not come back due to contractual agreements. Ruth
suggested Rosemary in the first place. And Paul said he didn't want Rosemary
anyway because he just wanted a different approach.
And in that final, 7th, season they brought Steve and Betty Jo back into the
hotel. Their little place didn't have enough space for the baby. So everyone
was in the hotel.
Yes, I do love the episodes because they bring PJ into a different feel. There
is no way you could have what you did. So they were aiming for a different
direction. It worked in that season and the next. The ratings were not great
but holding.
Paul Henning was the main writer on BH. He was hardly on the set of PJ. But he
was definitely in control of most things on PJ. He didn't want to give
explanations about Kate. And at that time he was basically doing what was
status quo for the industry. As cold as that sounds now. Paul was never a cold
man. He knew Bea going back to the early 40s in radio. They loved each other.
It killed him to see what she went through and what she put herself through.
But there was just one way to handle things. I don't know if you or anyone can
understand this. But in talking with him that is very, very roughly how things
were handled.
You know that episode where she first see's her granddaughter, Kathy Jo.
Everything she said all the way through was recorded in a hospital. Her body
double was used. Dorothy Hack. Her voice was so gone she could hardly speak.
The cancer was taking her fast. She spoke those words two weeks before that
episode. She was gone before that episode aired. So sad.
That what I consider the first lady that broke so many female rules on TV.
Actually the first. She lost her husband. She ran an entire hotel all by
herself. Raised three girls and Uncle Joe as well. Now tell me what other woman
was given that kind of responsibility and accord back in 1963. No one.
Absolutely no one. That is just amazing to me. One of my other favorites also
broke all the rules 3 years later. In a different way. I am speaking of Marlo
Thomas and her show, "That Girl". In 1966 Marlo was a woman on her own living
single in the big apple. Yeah, I know she had Donald. But she was not living
with an aunt or relative. So for me. Two of my favorite ladies had a lot of
guts. And talent too.
In 1968 Bea was really hoping to make it to Linda and Mike's wedding. But she
was too ill.
VILLARPETERS
"Collins1796" <colli...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> From a TV website:
>
I remember hearing that Bea Benaderet died of breast cancer. Perhaps
smoking may have added to that, but many of the film and tv actors of that
time smoked.
As a smoker who has tried on many, many, MANY occassions to quit, I can say
it's easier to know that you need to stop than it is to stop.
No matter how BB died, her contributions to Petticoat Junction, Beverly
Hillbilies, Burns&Allen and the Flintstones, will keep her work alive for
many future generations.
Her true fans will remember her life's work and not her death. Not many
actresses had(or have) her gift for 'reacting' to a line. No great comic
line is complete without someone reacting to it. Bea Benaderet did that, and
it seemed effortless and totally natural. Even though she had top billing
on PJ, she still spent a lot of time reacting to things said and done by
Edgar Buchannan and the 'girls', and did it well.
I recall watching the show from the begining. And I think it lost a lot of
it's "spark'' after BB died. I remember thinking how sad it was that she
had died, and how sad it was that the show wasn't the same....but then I
realized that it was as show that had been built around Bea. The situations
could continue after her, but without her they had very little meaning, and
no 'bite'.It's so hard to continue a show when the star of the show has
died...
And Bea Benaderet was the star of Petticoat Junction. It was her show...I
never cared how she died, or why. The fact that she DID die was enough for
me.
She and Audrey Meadows,Vivian Vance, MTM,Valarie Harper, and Jean Staplton
are among the best "reactive-actors".It must be the hardest to act with and
re-act to some of the best comedy actors.
CP
Eric Newman
>You know that episode where she first see's her granddaughter, Kathy Jo.
>Everything she said all the way through was recorded in a hospital. Her body
>double was used. Dorothy Hack. Her voice was so gone she could hardly speak.
>The cancer was taking her fast. She spoke those words two weeks before that
>episode. She was gone before that episode aired. So sad.
I was reading this article closely to see if this would be mentioned.
I distinctly remember watching that episode and thinking, "That woman
they're showing from the back is not Kate." This was 1968. I was
thirteen years old and it was obvious even to me.
They did a thing like that on "Friends" when Ross and Rachel leave for
Greece on Ross and Emily's honeymoon and Emily turns up at the airport
at the last minute. They showed "Emily" from the back in a shot with
David Schwimmer (Ross) and then showed her in a shot by herself,
supposedly looking at Ross. I'm convinced Helen Baxendale wasn't on
the same set as the rest of the cast.
In the trivia department: Bea Benaderet was the voice of Betty Rubble,
and she was the mother of Jack Bannon, who played Art Donovan on "Lou
Grant."
Eric Newman
It's interesting you should mention Valerie Harper in this context.
She and her bosses had a disagreement (probably over money) concerning
her role in "Valerie's Family" and she left the show. Even though the
show was built around that character, even down to the title, they
bumped off her character, renamed the show "The Hogan Family," and
brought in Sandy Duncan to play the late character's sister-in-law. I
don't think it lasted long after that, but I'm not sure it was ever
really a popular show in the first place.
Ruski 276
"Collins1796" <colli...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> From a TV website:
> write script for this. Very carefully. They called it, "Kate's
Homecoming".
> That assured Bea that she would be back (on the show) in her mind. There
was no
> question that Bea looked terrible as a human being. Obviously all the
treatment
> had taken a hell of a lot out of her. Plus she was still sneaking smokes
every
> chance she could get. She never cared from where or who.
> During that 8 episode run they did use every kind of reflect thought to
just
> bounce that question about "where is she". Even after she passed away for
a
> couple of episodes in season 6 it was still done.
Your right. Back then it was different when the star of a show dies. Did
they ever say what ultimately happened to Kate? I think in one episode
Uncle Joe referred to one of the rooms as the "Kate Bradley Memorial room"
or something like that.
On the show "Chico and the Man", I don't think they ever explained what
happened to Chico (Freddie Prinze). They got some young Hispanic kid to
replace him. Later on in the season, someone got a trailer for the kid to
keep in the garage and live in. When Scatman Crothers saw it, he got upset.
"No...no...no.... that was CHICO's van!" Obviously Chico had died.... or
stole Scatman's car.
Why do I remember this useless crap?
Graeme
>>On the show "Chico and the Man", I don't think they ever explained what
happened to Chico (Freddie Prinze). They got some young Hispanic kid to
replace him. Later on in the season, someone got a trailer for the kid to keep
in the garage and live in. When Scatman Crothers saw it, he got upset.
"No...no...no.... that was CHICO's van!" Obviously Chico had died.... or stole
Scatman's car.
>>
Here's what The Complete Directory To Prime Time Network TV Shows,
1946-Present, (published in 1992) says about that:
>>
When Freddy Prinze took his own life early in 1977, prior to the completion of
the season's episodes, there was serious consideration given to the
cancellation of the series. That was not done, however, as a new "Chico" was
added to the cast for the following fall.
He was not an adult, though, or even someone whose name was really Chico. In
the opening episode of the 1977-1978 season it was established that Chico had
left Ed's garage to go into business with his successful father, a character
introduced the previous year and played by Cesar Romero. Later, Ed and Louie
returned from a fishing trip to Tijuana to discover a 12-year old stowaway in
their car trunk. The boy, Raul, ingratiated himself with Ed and became his
personal resident alien. At the end of that first episode, when the two of
them were preparing to go to bed, Ed inadvertently said "Good night, Chico" to
his new friend, and when corrected, simply said, "You're all Chicos to me."
Thus a new "Chico" for "The Man." Ed eventually adopted Raul and found himself
contending with Raul's protective, and very sexy, Aunt Charo, an entertainer
who had recently arrived from Spain to work in Los Angeles. She spent so much
time at Ed's garage with her nephew that she, too, became part of the family.
>>
According to this, Raul was played by Gabriel Melgar, and Aunt Charo was
played, of course, by Charo.
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"Graeme" <graem...@aol.compost> wrote in message
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season they insinuated that something fatal had happened to the original
Chico (the Scatman trailer incident). But then again I'm recalling it's
original run. At the same time I thought the Ingalls family (Little House
on the Prairie) lived like they did because they were poor and couldn't
afford electricity or a telephone.
Ray Salisbury
Ed's original friend named Chico had died. I do no not remember Ed ever
claiming the original Chico took off to go into biz with his father.
For a connection between Dark Shadows/Petticoat Junction/Chico and The
Man there is no one cast member common to all three shows. So I'll just
add that Jonathan Daley played Orin on Petticoat, and he was on a Chico
ep with Barbara Cason who played Mrs.Johnson in House of Dark Shadows
(and Cason was of course married to Dennis Patrick).
Sincerely,
Ray Salisbury, the alterego of Hayley Mills
Lorraine
Ruski 276 wrote:
They DID ultimately have Ed admit that the first Chico was dead, and the story
about him going away with his real father being told, because Ed was still too
upset and angry to deal with it. I don't remember how the death was supposed to
have come about.
The sad truth is, when a program is not an ensemble drama, and centered on only
one or two characters, it's probably better to let it go. By the time Prinze
killed himself, it was the late 1970's; viewers were just too jaded, and had,
further, far too many tabloid reports on the sorry details, to accept that kind
of change. (This derailed Tony Orlando's career for a while as well, since I
recall he was present at this tragic incident.)
Even ensemble dramas sometimes don't handle star deaths well; many fans of
"Hill Street Blues" were annoyed by the stupid plotline that explained the death
of "Sgt. Esterhaus", after the actor Michael Conrad had died. Conrad died of
cancer, which, in his 3 seasons on HSB, DID became subtly apparent as the tall,
thin, rangy actor became more emaciated.
Given that Conrad probably insisted on discretion while he was alive and still
able to show up for work (in fact his role was reduced to just basically the
opening "Be careful out there" monologue), STILL, you'd think that a
cutting-edge program would have dealt with his actual demise in a more mature or
at least PERTINENT manner. Like, "That Sarge, he was something else, wasn't he,
coming in to work when those treatments made him feel so lousy,", and, "I can
see why he never let on about having cancer, he always thought about US before
himself," etc., etc.
Instead, the character, whose first two seasons established him as being a
rather randy fellow with (in the first season) a teenaged fiancee, was announced
to have died of a heart attack while having sex with his middle-aged girlfriend
(with whom, moreover, the Sarge had broken up in the previous season.) While
nobody quibbled with the disposition of the Sgt.'s remains (his ashes were
scattered on the streets of the city, and, in expected HSB ironic fashion, swept
away and rinsed down gutters by street-cleaning machines), many thought the
actual death details were an insult to the viewers' intelligence. (Not to
mention, they had a hard time getting used to the replacement sergeant, played
by Robert Prosky.)
(In that context, though it's still OT, I wonder what manner of explanation or
evasion they will now have to use on "Judging Amy" now that poor Richard Crenna
has rather suddenly gone to Glory. I heard they're bringing on Sharon Gless to
guest star as Tyne Daly's old friend---- wouldn't it be sweet if John Karlen was
invited for an appearance--- if he felt up to it?. . .)
Lorraine
Eric Newman
wrote:
I read that Crenna's character was sent off to China, where he
apparently owned a business, when Crenna became ill. Apparently he's
going to stay there.
Graeme
only one or two characters, it's probably better to let it go. >>
Yeah, but there are exceptions, which is probably why people roll the dice and
keep shows going that really shouldn't. Charlie's Angels ran, what? 6 years,
even though Farrah was gone after the first. M*A*S*H was really the
Hawkeye/Trapper in the early days, but survived Trapper's loss, and went on to
become an ensemble show. M*A*S*H was extremely atypical though, as they
survived hits like that several times, and went on to replace the lost
character with someone better than before.
>>By the time Prinze killed himself, it was the late 1970's; viewers were just
too jaded, and had, further, far too many tabloid reports on the sorry details,
to accept that kind of change. (This derailed Tony Orlando's career for a
while as well, since I recall he was present at this tragic incident.)
>>
Yeah, I don't remember it that well, but I remember thinking that they'd never
last long. It seemed like trying to do The Odd Couple without Felix. Why
bother, it wouldn't be the same show.
FredHerrring
>From: graem...@aol.compost (Graeme)
>Yeah, I don't remember it that well, but I remember thinking that they'd
>never
>last long. It seemed like trying to do The Odd Couple without Felix. Why
>bother, it wouldn't be the same show.
>
It sounds like when they tried to continue the series of two-hour made for TV
Perry Mason movies after Raymond Burr died. Barbara Hale as Della Street
helped other lawyers handle Perry's cases, but no one wanted to see Perry Mason
without the real Perry Mason.
Johnny1A
> >>The sad truth is, when a program is not an ensemble drama, and centered on
> only one or two characters, it's probably better to let it go. >>
>
> Yeah, but there are exceptions, which is probably why people roll the dice and
> keep shows going that really shouldn't. Charlie's Angels ran, what? 6 years,
> even though Farrah was gone after the first. M*A*S*H was really the
> Hawkeye/Trapper in the early days, but survived Trapper's loss, and went on to
> become an ensemble show. M*A*S*H was extremely atypical though, as they
> survived hits like that several times, and went on to replace the lost
> character with someone better than before.
The key to M*A*S*H's success in that technique was that they never
tried to replace the missing character with the same character/new
name. When Trapper is gone, they bring in B.J. Hunnicut, who was a
very different person. When Frank Burns cracks up and is transferred
home, they brought in David Ogden Stiers to play Charles Emerson
Winchester, a _very_ different character (and much more of a match for
Hawkeye and Co.). I always thought CEW would fit in well at
Collinwood.
For that matter, I always thought it would be fun to have Col. Flagg
visit Collinwood.
Flagg to Barn: "OK, fine, mister, you want to be called Barnabas
Collins, I can play that game too!"
Above all, IMO, when they replaced Henry, instead of another bumbling
civilian in uniform, they created the character of Col. Potter (my
favorite M*A*S*H character by far).
Interestingly, like DS, M*A*S*H sometimes used the same actor to play
multiple roles. Harry Morgan had previously played General Steele, a
(literally) insane staff officer who had caused trouble at the 4077th
before.
Shermanlee
Eric Newman
wrote:
That character was a riot. "Where's the little generals' room?"
"Hamilton Bartford Steele. That's three e's, not all in a row." "Not
now, Marjorie; I'm inspecting the troops!" "Tell us in your own words
the incident at the helicopter pad. But first, a number."
All of what you say above about the replacement actors is true, but
for me the thing that made M*A*S*H unbearable in its later years was
its overbearing preachiness, and the fact that Hawkeye became
virtually infallible. (As the show went on, Alan Alda became more
involved in the production and writing.) Just once I would like to
have seen Hawkeye fail and Charles excel, perhaps in the same episode.
Despite the fact that Charles was a more competent foil for Hawkeye
than Ferret Face, he was still made out to be a buffoon better than 90
percent of the time.
Ray Salisbury
only a matter of opinion. But the prevailing opinion is that BJ was an
inferior character to Trapper (an opinion I adhere to myself). Like the
prevailing DS opinion is that Burke #2 was inferior to Burke #1. The
preachiness you spoke of took off much more than it ever would have
otherwise largely due to Mike Farrell. Another actor as BJ or Wayne
Rogers staying on as Trapper and the series would probably have remained
less preachy. And thus more tolerable (in most opinions).
FredHerrring
>The key to M*A*S*H's success in that technique was that they never
>tried to replace the missing character with the same character/new
>name.
To me it seemed they were even trying to replace the old character with someone
who was their exact opposite:
Frank Burns, lousy doctor replaced by Charles Winchester, excellent doctor
Henry Blake, not enough military experience to command a MASH replaced by Col.
Potter, way too much military experience to command a MASH.
Trapper John, smart-ass and a skirt-chaser replaced by BJ, wholesome family man
devoted to his wife.
>Flagg to Barn: "OK, fine, mister, you want to be called Barnabas
>Collins, I can play that game too!"
>
LOL! I can picture Barnabas going into the secret room and opening his coffin,
only to find Col. Flagg hiding in it already. "Vamoose, Mister, This Is My
Hiding Place Now. Go Find Your Own!"
Collins1796
point in the series, they decided against bringing in a new actor.
Joey
Ruski 276
> for me the thing that made M*A*S*H unbearable in its later years was
> its overbearing preachiness, and the fact that Hawkeye became
> virtually infallible. (As the show went on, Alan Alda became more
> involved in the production and writing.)
In those later episodes BJ gets on my nerves too. I can't quite put my
finger on what they did to his character.... maybe it was the moustache.
Graeme
replace the missing character with the same character/new name.
>>
Dr. Who didn't makethat mistake either. I think they learned their lesson from
the two movies, in which Peter Cushing made for a very pale and poor Hartnell
clone.
>>Interestingly, like DS, M*A*S*H sometimes used the same actor to play
multiple roles. Harry Morgan had previously played General Steele, a
(literally) insane staff officer who had caused trouble at the 4077th before.
>>
Oh well, all shows do that from time to time. After enough time has elapsed
that the producer thinks the audience won't remember the previous role.
Speaking of that, can you name for me the one person who played two completely
separate Bat Villains on Batman?
Ruski 276
"Graeme" <graem...@aol.compost> wrote in message
Was it Lee Meriwether? I think I remember seeing her without the Catwoman
costume. I don't know who her other character was.
Graeme
costume. I don't know who her other character was.
>>
No, Lee Meriweather was one of the three Catwomen, but she didn't play any
other role. This person isn't a household name any more, so naming the
characters will do if you can't remember the person's name. I'm sure someone
will get it.
Eric Newman
For one thing, he became a Hawkeye sycophant, though some of that was
necessary for the character dynamics to work.
Ray Salisbury
star on an ep of the 60's Batman tv series-----but not as Catwoman.
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I don't know about that. It seemed like the 2 of them were at odds more
often. There was one episode where a gung-ho commander kept getting his
troupes killed. The commander had like 2 weeks left before he was shipped
stateside or given a desk job. I forgot how this came about but Hawkeye was
going to perform an unnecessary appendectomy on the commander so that he
would be out of commission for the remainder of his tour. BJ was outraged
that Hawkeye would do this. They argued about it. Hawkeye did it. Actually
I thought that was one of the better later episodes.... both of them had
valid points. It all comes down to what you the viewer believe is
moral.... and the writers got that point across.
David Brunt
> >>Was it Lee Meriwether? I think I remember seeing her without the
> >>Catwoman costume. I don't know who her other character was.
> >>
>
> No, Lee Meriweather was one of the three Catwomen, but she didn't play any
> other role.
Though she appeared in the Season 2 episode "King Tut's Coup" as Lisa
Carson, the kidnap victim...
> This person isn't a household name any more, so naming the
> characters will do if you can't remember the person's name. I'm sure
> someone will get it.
You're probably talking about Anne Baxter aren't you? Zelda the Great and
Olga, Egghead's assistant in "The Ogg and I".
David
Graeme
the kidnap victim...
>>
She did? I didn't realize that, though that obviously doesn't count as a Bat
Villain.
>>
You're probably talking about Anne Baxter aren't you? Zelda the Great and
Olga, Egghead's assistant in "The Ogg and I".
David
>>
Assistant?? (Too bad you didn't say "sidekick"). She vas Qveen of ze
Bessarovian Cossacks!
Oh yes, that's who I meant, though Olga was actually in a couple of episodes.
BeAStooge
>
>>You're probably talking about Anne Baxter aren't you? Zelda the Great and
>>Olga, Egghead's assistant in "The Ogg and I".
>>
>>David
>>
>
>Assistant?? (Too bad you didn't say "sidekick"). She vas Qveen of ze
>Bessarovian Cossacks!
>
>Oh yes, that's who I meant, though Olga was actually in a couple of episodes.
In addition to Anne Baxter...
in a round-about way, Milton Berle also played two villains. In season 2, he
had a cameo as one of Ma Parker's convict accomplices; he returned in season 3
as Louie the Lilac.
Ray Salisbury
other role on Batman. You didn't say "any other VILLAIN role".
Oh and to the poster who said he or she remembered Lee without her mask
on. In Batman the movie she spent a lot of her role dressed ordinary
(thus minus the Catwoman mask) as she called herself "Miss. Kitka" and
romanced Bruce Wayne. You may be remembering her many mask-free scenes
in that movie rather than her appearance on the regular show. I don't
remember her even being on the regular tv show either. I guess her
appearance on the tv show was very unmemorable. I just read she was.
PS I suddenly wonder if Lee asked for her movie role not to contain so
many scenes of her masked. Being the former beauty contest winner she
was maybe they (the writers and producers) complied.
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> No fair Graeme! You were wrong! You said Lee Meriwether didn't play any
> other role on Batman. You didn't say "any other VILLAIN role".
A snip from Graeme's original post:
can you name for me the one person who played two completely
separate Bat Villains on Batman?
He DID specify villain.
Ray Salisbury
<<No, Lee Meriweather was one of the three Catwomen, but she didn't play
any other role.>>
He was wrong in that statement he made.
Graeme was clearly under the wrong impression that Lee played just one
sole role in the 60's live action Batman saga. She played two.
Ruski 276
So?
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Johnny1A
Remember how Flagg used to injure himself in the 'line of duty'?
Julia: "Col Flagg, you're in excellent health."
Flagg: "Oh, yeah?" and tries to take the brandy away from Roger.
Julia: "Well, now I can give you a medical excuse."
Shermanlee
Johnny1A
Actually, once or twice Frank Burns was right and Hawk and Trapper
were wrong. One of my favorite episodes from the early days was when
Frank, left in temporary command, declared the 4077th 'dry' on the
grounds that the medical staff was getting too close to being
alcholics.
A few days into this, Hawkeye and Trapper are at each other's throats,
and Hawkeye suddenly says in horror: "You don't suppose he's right?!"
In fact, at the end of the episode, it was pretty clear that he WAS.
Shermanlee
FredHerrring
>From: sherm...@hotmail.com (Johnny1A)
>Remember how Flagg used to injure himself in the 'line of duty'?
>
>Julia: "Col Flagg, you're in excellent health."
>
>Flagg: "Oh, yeah?" and tries to take the brandy away from Roger.
>
>Julia: "Well, now I can give you a medical excuse."
>
> Shermanlee
Heh, heh, that would do it.
If you heard Col. Flagg's voice coming out of a cat's mouth, you wouldn't know
whether he was in disguise or if he'd done something to antagonize Angelique.
Graeme
Hawkeye suddenly says in horror: "You don't suppose he's right?!"
>>
I think I saw that one. The only other time I ever remember them admitting
that Frank had a valid point is when he criticized them for giving Radar the
benefit of the doubt about a missing gun, but wouldn't give it to him. Of
course, since he DID have it, that sort of diluted the effect of his point.
Johnny1A
There's another scene from M*A*S*H (and Winchester) that could be
adapted to DS.
At one point, Charles, after an argument with Hawkeye and BJ, takes a
deep drink from a bottle.
Hawkeye: "CHARLES! You're drinking your hair tonic!
Charles (disdainful): "Don't be absurd, this is 12 year old Scotch!
You don't think I left it in the original container with YOU two
larcenists around, do you?"
Now, I can imagine Barn doing the same thing, oddly enough. Imagine
Angie's reaction if some day a currently-human Barn pulls out a bottle
of something deadly or horrid-tasting, and gulps some down.
"You don't think I left it in the original container with YOU in the
house, do you, witch?!"
Shermanlee
FredHerrring
>From: sherm...@hotmail.com (Johnny1A)
>Now, I can imagine Barn doing the same thing, oddly enough. Imagine
>Angie's reaction if some day a currently-human Barn pulls out a bottle
>of something deadly or horrid-tasting, and gulps some down.
>
>"You don't think I left it in the original container with YOU in the
>house, do you, witch?!"
>
> Shermanlee
Heh, heh!
I can actually picture someone writing a decent Dark Shadows / MASH crossover
fan fiction. Instead of Col. Flagg, it would feature Dr. Sidney Freedman
visiting his former patient Hawkeye Pierce in Crabapple Cove, Maine a few years
after the Korean War has ended.
After checking up that Hawkeye is all right, Sidney gets sidetracked providing
a consultation on the nutty Collins Family in Collinsport. In 1956 or so, he's
have an abundance of psychiatric patients to see there. He learns about Liz
Stoddard, who hasn't left the family mansion for 8 years. Liz's brother Roger
and Roger's fiancee Laura are developing severe drinking problems.
Local artist Sam Evans has stopped painting and also started drinking in the
wake of his wife's death, apparently in need of grief counseling...or is it
more than just grief?
Sidney could re-visit Collinsport again in 1966 for a follow-up to check on
the Collins Family and find they're even nuttier than in 1956. Even Sidney's
usually: "pull down your pants and slide on the ice" advice wouldn't help,
because there's no ice on the ground in Collinsport.