Some portrait questions
ev_sta...@yahoo.com
a picture of Isaac Collins in the drawing room... I'm paraphrasing
here... "looks very much like Roger Collins."
All the drawing room portraits look like pretty much Antique shop "prop
department buys" to me. (And in 1840s flashbacks often look a bit
"advanced" for the time!)
Did this portrait of Isaac Collins disappear? Does anyone know what
this looked like? Or can you identify its positon in the drawing room
so I can try to find a resemblance?
Also, the episodes refers to a picture of Betty Hascomb which looks
very much like Victoria Winters (but which Roger and Liz...
suspiciously... say looks NOTHING like her).
Is there an internet link anywhere to this portrait? It is not in the
photos in the back of Jim Pierson's book.
I don't have sci-fi channel ... and based on the SLOW episodes - at
least till Laura Collins arrives- would rather not buy any "Burke
Devlin/yellow pen" episodes.
Thanks!
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Jedpeck
Elizabeth. I like those old episodes...make me a bit <sniffle> nostalgic!
Tony Ning Lew
jed...@aol.com (Jedpeck) wrote:
>It's a charcoal portrait that bears a striking resemblance to both Victoria and
>Elizabeth. I like those old episodes...make me a bit <sniffle> nostalgic!
But they made a blooper with this too.
This sketch was supposedly given to Vicky as a gift,
but in a later episode, it can be seen in the Evan's cottage again.
Jedpeck
>and
>>Elizabeth. I like those old episodes...make me a bit <sniffle> nostalgic!
>
>But they made a blooper with this too.
>This sketch was supposedly given to Vicky as a gift,
>but in a later episode, it can be seen in the Evan's cottage again.
>
>
Gone fishin
>>but in a later episode, it can be seen in the Evan's cottage again.
Actually, we see a color canvas painting of Ms. Hascomb in the Evans cottage.
This takes place during a visit by Nicholas Blair, who at one point is only a
foot or so from the painting. I remember being very surprised that he did not
comment on it at the time, as it is a dead ringer for Vickie.
The B&W photo image that was used for the Betty Hascomb portrait can be viewed
in the photos section of the Dark Shadows
Almanac 30th Ann. edition.
Bob
"Your focus determines your reality!" Qui Gon Jinn
Gone fishin
wrote;
>In Jim Pierson's episode guide about very early days of DS he says that
>a picture of Isaac Collins in the drawing room... I'm paraphrasing
>here... "looks very much like Roger Collins."
The only portrait that I have seen that resembles Louis Edmonds is the small
18th century profile portrait that appears to be of Joshua Collins. That
particular portrait seems to make the rounds around the house, and is currently
hanging on the far wall of the drawing room in this time period. Bob
ev_sta...@yahoo.com
and I'll keep searching house for "Isaac/Joshua" portrait.
Any idea of the episode number when Nicholas Blair almost sees the
Hascombe portrait.
(Could this be when he tries to buy some of some Sam's pictres from
Maggie?)
laura stockbridgecollins
show a bit! my but it is getting warm in here!
j4f: did you know that actor john lasell <aka dr guthrie!> appears in
the pilot episode of 'flipper'? called ""S.O.S. DOLPHIN""--- and btw:
john lasell is um shirtless in that flipper ep ! if only he'd taken
that shirt off at collinwood he might still be alive today....sigh!
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http://community.webtv.net/laura_collins/theCollinsport
Tony Ning Lew
ev_sta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>In Jim Pierson's episode guide about very early days of DS he says that
>a picture of Isaac Collins in the drawing room... I'm paraphrasing
>here... "looks very much like Roger Collins."
The problem with this portrait is that Old Isaac is clearly dressed in
19th century clothing although he's supposed to have lived in the 17th
century.
>
Guy Haines, II
> >In Jim Pierson's episode guide about very early days of DS he says that
> >a picture of Isaac Collins in the drawing room... I'm paraphrasing
> >here... "looks very much like Roger Collins."
>
small
> 18th century profile portrait that appears to be of Joshua Collins. That
> particular portrait seems to make the rounds around the house, and is
currently
> hanging on the far wall of the drawing room in this time period. Bob
> "Your focus determines your reality!" Qui Gon Jinn
In addition to Gone Fishin's info above, I don't believe this small portrait
(which does indeed resemble Louis made up as Joshua Collins) was ever
referred to as Isaac Collins in Regular or Parallel Time. In the very early
days of the show, there was a large portrait that Elizabeth referred to as
Isaac. However, as Tony mentioned, this person is dressed in 19th century
clothing and Isaac was supposed to have settled in Collinsport in the late
1600s. I think you are referring to the new DS Almanac as "Jim Pierson's
episode guide", right? I haven't gotten my contributor's copy of the Almanac
yet, but I believe Jim might be mistaken about the portrait of Isaac as
resembling Louis. It's this little "unknown Collins" portrait that Gone
Fishin' has described that Jim was probably referring to. Look for it, it's
in many episodes. It does indeed look like Joshua Collins with his long
sideburns. I once asked Louis about this portrait and its resemblance to him
and asked if he knew anything about it. He told me (he has a remarkable
memory) that it was a portrait of the 19th century German composer, Wagner.
Indeed it is, if you look at it closely.
Tony Ning Lew
"Guy Haines, II" <bel...@erols.com> wrote:
.>In addition to Gone Fishin's info above, I don't believe this small portrait
>(which does indeed resemble Louis made up as Joshua Collins) was ever
>referred to as Isaac Collins in Regular or Parallel Time. In the very early
>days of the show, there was a large portrait that Elizabeth referred to as
>Isaac. However, as Tony mentioned, this person is dressed in 19th century
>clothing and Isaac was supposed to have settled in Collinsport in the late
>1600s. I think you are referring to the new DS Almanac as "Jim Pierson's
>episode guide", right? I haven't gotten my contributor's copy of the Almanac
>yet, but I believe Jim might be mistaken about the portrait of Isaac as
>resembling Louis. It's this little "unknown Collins" portrait that Gone
>Fishin' has described that Jim was probably referring to. Look for it, it's
>in many episodes. It does indeed look like Joshua Collins with his long
>sideburns. I once asked Louis about this portrait and its resemblance to him
>and asked if he knew anything about it. He told me (he has a remarkable
>memory) that it was a portrait of the 19th century German composer, Wagner.
>Indeed it is, if you look at it closely.
That's interesting.
When I was in College, the Classics department put a picture of a bust of
Socrates up in a display one year. It looked just like Orson Welles, but
not so fat.
>
>
Gone fishin
making of the Betty Hascombe and 1970 PT Maggie portraits. I suspect these
photo images were enlarged and super-imposed on to canvas or some form of art
paper and then hand painted to resemble portraits. The Betty Hascombe photo you
will see at the url below depicts the b&w image on actual canvas. A canvas
similiar to this one was of course eventually painted and used as the portrait
we see in the Evans House on the show. This piece was auctioned off at a Dark
Shadows Festival a few years back, so obviously they had more than one of them
made:>) Bob
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ev_sta...@yahoo.com
ev_sta...@yahoo.com
about 1986 at the Dark Shadows Festival in New York. In fact the book
is credited to "Dark Shadow Festival Publications". But it was pretty
well known that the "ever-friendly" Jim Pierson had actually written
these.
In fact, when I ran into the "ever-friendly" Jim Pierson I asked him a
question about the book [or complimented him] and he responded:
"------" [Fill in your own grunt.]
In any case, they were detailed episode guides (about 200 pages)that
had been typeset in very small type. Some were actually paragraph-long
original story treatments by Art Wallace!
The pages themselves were xeroxed (photocopied) - you can see the
misaligning at bottom of page - on one side only.
At the back are WEAK (multiple xerox I guess) offsets of Dark Shadows
photographs.
There were many of these at the time. I think he also did the early
Barnabas one, too.
Otherwise a hard-working female cadre of fans did the other ones:
A 1795 one
A two-part 1968 one
An 1897
A Leviathan one (never saw this)
A Parallel Time one
An 1840/1840 PT one
The wood-block cut illustrations in the 1897 one are particularly
clever- a sort of 1970's nouveau hippie art style grafted on to 1897
characters. Shouldn't work, but it does.
I hope this helps.
Dumorte
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this weekend at the CFDSFC Halloween Bash!
Sidney
Dumorte
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to."
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I'm sorry, I couldn't pass up this chance to have a little
Hitchcock moment. :)
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Guy Haines, II
> So good to see you back! Hope all is well with you. Will be thinking of
you
> this weekend at the CFDSFC Halloween Bash!
>
> Sidney
> Dumorte
Hi Sydney,
Nice to see you too. Have a wonderful time at the Bash. I'll try to be there
next year!!! Put some pix on a website if you can so we can see the costume
you put together this year!
Guy
Guy Haines, II
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> The Jim Pierson book I referred to- in the portrait thread -was sold
> about 1986 at the Dark Shadows Festival in New York. In fact the book
> is credited to "Dark Shadow Festival Publications". But it was pretty
> well known that the "ever-friendly" Jim Pierson had actually written
> these.
Oh, I think I know. I believe this is the Festival publication "The History
of Dark Shadows" which the Festival published sometime in 1987. Jim edited
the book and may have written some of the summaries but most were written by
DS fan Geoffrey Hamill and some other fans who saw DS during it's first run
and took notes about the storyline. Some of the summaries (as you mentioned
below) were taken from Art Wallace's story treatments.
>
> In fact, when I ran into the "ever-friendly" Jim Pierson I asked him a
> question about the book [or complimented him] and he responded:
> "------" [Fill in your own grunt.]
>
LOL! Jim gets very busy at the Festivals.
> In any case, they were detailed episode guides (about 200 pages)that
> had been typeset in very small type. Some were actually paragraph-long
> original story treatments by Art Wallace!
>
> The pages themselves were xeroxed (photocopied) - you can see the
> misaligning at bottom of page - on one side only.
>
> At the back are WEAK (multiple xerox I guess) offsets of Dark Shadows
> photographs.
>
> There were many of these at the time. I think he also did the early
> Barnabas one, too.
Yes, I think it's entitled "The Introduction of Barnabas" or something like
that (I don't have my collection at hand and am going by memory.)
>
> Otherwise a hard-working female cadre of fans did the other ones:
> A 1795 one
> A two-part 1968 one
> An 1897
> A Leviathan one (never saw this)
> A Parallel Time one
> An 1840/1840 PT one
>
Kathy Resch (and many of her DS fan-friends) produced these. They are called
"concordances". The first produced was the "1795 Concordance". It was
created in the early 1980s and the second was the "1897 Concordance".
Because of a mix-up concerning the 4 or so missing 1897 episodes ( which
were not syndicated in the 1980s but later found and made available on MPI
tapes and in the present Sci Fi Channel syndication package) Kathy is
re-publishing the "1897 Concordance" and because of it's length it will be
in two volumes. The first volume is already available and the second is
coming soon. The "Leviathan Concordance" has yet to be published but will be
after the second volume of "1897". Most of these are still available.
> The wood-block cut illustrations in the 1897 one are particularly
> clever- a sort of 1970's nouveau hippie art style grafted on to 1897
> characters. Shouldn't work, but it does.
These illustrations (which could also be characterized as "coloring book
style", not in a disparaging manner) are indeed quite attractive. They were
done by a professional artist who was a DS fan in the early days of fandom.
While quite informative and packed with information and trivia, the Festival
publications are artistically quite bland. I was hoping that someday someone
would produce a more aesthetic volume (or volumes) of these early Barnabas
(and Pre-Barnabas) episode summaries, but alas, it seems never to be...
>
> I hope this helps.
>
Thanks. Me too!
Guy
The Ghost of Sarah Collins
>In addition to Gone Fishin's info above, I don't believe this small portrait
>(which does indeed resemble Louis made up as Joshua Collins) was ever
>referred to as Isaac Collins in Regular or Parallel Time. In the very early
>days of the show, there was a large portrait that Elizabeth referred to as
>Isaac. However, as Tony mentioned, this person is dressed in 19th century
>clothing and Isaac was supposed to have settled in Collinsport in the late
>1600s. I think you are referring to the new DS Almanac as "Jim Pierson's
>episode guide", right? I haven't gotten my contributor's copy of the Almanac
>yet, but I believe Jim might be mistaken about the portrait of Isaac as
>resembling Louis. It's this little "unknown Collins" portrait that Gone
>Fishin' has described that Jim was probably referring to. Look for it, it's
>in many episodes. It does indeed look like Joshua Collins with his long
>sideburns. I once asked Louis about this portrait and its resemblance to him
>and asked if he knew anything about it. He told me (he has a remarkable
>memory) that it was a portrait of the 19th century German composer, Wagner.
>Indeed it is, if you look at it closely.
>
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Hello Guy!
How wonderful to read your post! it has been too long... I believe I know the
small portrait you speak of, would it be the same close up of a profiled man
that would somehow find its way from hanging close to the liquor cabinet then
is moved to
the far wall close to fireplace?? I have noticed the same likeness, I wonder
where it could be now?
I hope you will post more often, you have been missed here.
its so very good to see you again!
your friend always
Sarah(1784-1795)
Sister of Barnabas...@}{~~~~~~
Devoted Aunt
"That evil is wicked is well understood.
the wicked are punished so you must be good."
(Sarah to Barnabas.)
Joeytrom
would have every episode published in book form.
Guy Haines, II
"The Ghost of Sarah Collins"
> Hello Guy!
> How wonderful to read your post! it has been too long... I believe I
know the
> small portrait you speak of, would it be the same close up of a profiled
man
> that would somehow find its way from hanging close to the liquor cabinet
then
> is moved to
> the far wall close to fireplace?? I have noticed the same likeness, I
wonder
> where it could be now?
Hi Sarah! Yes, that's the one. I believe during 1795 the portrait hangs
inside Collinwood's little alchove, just inside the front doors. I wish I
knew where it was also. I wonder if it was an original painting or a print?
> I hope you will post more often, you have been missed here.
> its so very good to see you again!
It is nice to be back, Sarah. I have lurked on and off in the past few
months and may continue to do so. I try not to spend too much time on the
internet though. :) Thanks for your kind words.
Guy
Dumorte
>Nice to see you too. Have a wonderful time at the Bash. I'll try to be there
>next year!!! Put some pix on a website if you can so we can see the costume
>you put together this year!
We did have a great time last night. My costume was very simple...just
something I pulled together from work. But I am sure Cindy will put them up
somewhere. I'll let you know.
Best,
V.o.S.R.
Jedpeck wrote:
> >>It's a charcoal portrait that bears a striking resemblance to both Victoria
> >and
> >>Elizabeth. I like those old episodes...make me a bit <sniffle> nostalgic!
> >
> >But they made a blooper with this too.
> >This sketch was supposedly given to Vicky as a gift,
> >but in a later episode, it can be seen in the Evan's cottage again.
> >
> >
> SO TRUE! SO TRUE! <SNIFFLE> I MISS IT.
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The charcoal sketch was supposed to be (if I recall) Sam's late (nameless) wife,
and Maggie's mother. No frame, always leaning against the wall--- what a way to
treat a picture of one's Dearly Departed! But it was also leaning against the
wall, way back in 1897 in C. D. Tate's studio. (Now there's an untold DS
story--- Sam didn't realize he was married to one of Tate's "Gibson Girl"
knock-offs!)
V.o.S.R.