That Child Actor Needs to Be Fired
ISOLDE
stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
awful!
Phil Riker
teleprompter (or cue cards or whatever) from time to time. It
probably has to do with how much (or little) time the cast had to
rehearse before shooting. I thought she did a particularly good job
in the scene a few weeks back when she was crying because she didn't
know where Maggie was.
vince garcia
v
Dumorte
>stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
>awful!
Personally, I think given the rehersal time and such, she did fairly well for a
young girl. Better than some of the adults actors (AG) who are here now and
some that will come.
Sidney
Dumorte
"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so."
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Deborah G. Buckner
ISOLDE wrote in message <7dq6ps$1hr$1...@mtinsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>Sarah is the worst child actress I've ever seen. Get a load of the way she
>stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like.
Well, of course she was deadpan. She's a ghost!
Deb
DBrown3209
>awful!
Be careful of what you say about Sharon Smyth. She's one of the nicest of
the cast that comes to the conventions.
Barnabas Collins
bad teeth.'
The loving brother of Sarah
B. Collins
Jane Ellen
Drago616
Such a kind and gentle spirit is my little cousin Sarah. Ms Smyth catches her
innocence and wonder at a world 200 years in her future - who wouldn't "look
around"!
Nile Bradford
Jedpeck
>awful!
I could not agree more. She sucked--pure and simple...and that Long Island
accent--real "New England"! Further, the character simply grates on my
nerves--even did in the 60s when I was David Collins age in real time.
vince garcia
>
> >Sarah is the worst child actress I've ever seen. Get a load of the way she
> >stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
> >awful!
>
> young girl. Better than some of the adults actors (AG) who are here now and
> some that will come.
>
> Sidney
> Dumorte
> "Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so."
> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Sarah blew less of her lines than Barnabas did!
v
can...@localnet.com
> > Sarah blew less of her lines than Barnabas did!
>
> [Pedantic mode on]
>
> Fewer.
>
> [Pedantic mode off]
Ha! I bet you were an English major. I am often tempted to do this
in newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. but have managed to restrain myself
thus far. However, I have been known to absentmindedly correct
strangers at a party when I hear them misuse a word. I bet you do that
too. Why do we CARE so damn much, JT????? <g>
Ms. Yoni
V.O.S.R.
>
> > Sarah blew less of her lines than Barnabas did!
>
> [Pedantic mode on]
>
> Fewer.
>
> [Pedantic mode off]
>
(((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))
Same could be said of the other young'uns, as well. . . I was always
amazed at Denise Nickersen's ability to play scenes of hysteria and
screaming (a frequent state for her characters) without tripping over
a syllable. . .
V.o.S.R.
=============================
If all the world's a stge,
then where is the audience sitting?
James Troutman
DBrown3209
She's from Philadelphia.
Jedpeck
>
> She's from Philadelphia.
Be that as it may, the accent rings true to either the less-than-horsey set on
Long Island or some outer borough of Manhattan. If Philadelphia is her place
of birth, then she certainly was not main line Philadelphia--for I have known
many main liners in my time and none spoke--even as children--with such a
dreadful accent.
The 13th Floor
However, she's infinitely superior to that kid who played the first
Leviathan child.
On 30 Mar 1999 23:16:14 GMT, jed...@aol.com (Jedpeck) wrote:
>>Sarah is the worst child actress I've ever seen. Get a load of the way she
>>stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
>>awful!
>
Jedpeck
>Leviathan child.
Complete and utter lack of diction...
Drago616
Hooray! A kindred spirit.
NB
Drago616
>Ms. Yoni
I can't speak for Mr. J.T., but I care so much because I live in Mississippi,
and every misspelled word only goes to futher prove our stereotype, which we
strive daily to overcome.
God bless you, Ms. Yoni, and J.T.
Drago616
EMELZEY
>stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
>awful!
I think Sarah did very well taking into account the limited budget for the
show. Rehearsal time might have been on a 'shoe-string' budget as well.
Sarah Collins is the most charming of all DS characters. It was a shame
Barnabas never used the I-Ching to return to 1795 and save his little sister
from Angelique.
Eric
eme...@aol.com
Tony Ning Lew
eme...@aol.com (EMELZEY) wrote:
I've always wondered why he didn't just go back to 1795 and change EVERYTHING
from happening.
>
>Eric
>eme...@aol.com
Eric Newman
It's that old causality problem: If he'd gone back to 1795 and changed
everything, there wouldn't have been a show... and if there wasn't a
show, he couldn't have gone back to 1795 and changed everything, and
so on.
Eric Newman
<can...@localnet.com> wrote:
>Ha! I bet you were an English major. I am often tempted to do this
>in newsgroups, mailing lists, etc. but have managed to restrain myself
>thus far. However, I have been known to absentmindedly correct
>strangers at a party when I hear them misuse a word. I bet you do that
>too. Why do we CARE so damn much, JT?
Do you also correct them when they split infinitives? (No, I was not
an English major.)
Nova191919
changed>everything, there wouldn't have been a show... and if there wasn't
a>show, he couldn't have gone back to 1795 and changed everything, and>so on.
Doctor Who fans know this as the Blinovitch Limitation Effect. =)
Kristen
Erica
<IRob...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Sarah is the worst child actress I've ever seen. Get a load of the way she
> stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like. She's
> awful!
I thought she was doing fairly well, actually. I think we've seen, and
will see, worse.
On the other hand, the girl who will play Amy (Denise Nickerson?) was much
worse in my opinion. But even she improved over time. She'd developed into
quite the little actress by the time she did "Willy Wonka and the
Chocolate Factory."
Erica
--
Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.
Jane Ellen
Erica wrote in message <7dshc8$n...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>On the other hand, the girl who will play Amy (Denise Nickerson?) was much
>worse in my opinion. But even she improved over time. She'd developed into
>quite the little actress by the time she did "Willy Wonka and the
>Chocolate Factory."
>
>Erica
And she (Denise Nickerson) was truly remarkable in film "The Neon Ceiling"
with Gig Young.
janie
can...@localnet.com
> Erica wrote in message <7dshc8$n...@newsops.execpc.com>...
> >On the other hand, the girl who will play Amy (Denise Nickerson?) was much
> >worse in my opinion. But even she improved over time. She'd developed into
> >quite the little actress by the time she did "Willy Wonka and the
> >Chocolate Factory."
>
> And she (Denise Nickerson) was truly remarkable in film "The Neon Ceiling"
> with Gig Young.
I thought she was great, too! I watched "The Neon Ceiling" every time it was
on TV. Haven't seen it lately. I was a Denise fan. I enjoyed watching her
grow up!
MsYoni
can...@localnet.com
No, it's mostly pronunciation and spelling that get to me. I split a mean
infinitive, and I like it that way. You must have been a math major.
MsYoni
can...@localnet.com
...and back at you, Drago! :-)
MsYoni
BarnaFrid
IMHO It just seems like Sharon had a hard time enuciating certain words.
Perhaps a phoentics lesson ot two would have alleviated this problem.
Barnabas Collins
disposition, her trusting nature, her innocent expression. Without
these, there would be no acting, only words on a page.
V.O.S.R.
>
> >Her sweetness of
> >disposition, her trusting nature, her innocent expression
>
> hair, that one ugly dress, that annoying song (thank heavens she did not live
> to see the real London Bridge), her ready answer for every question ("Oh,
> somewhere."), her deathbed scenes (puh-leeze)--day of the living dead who never
> died and did a bad acting job under the sheets, etc. Not impressed.
(((((((((((((((((((((((((()))))))))))))))))))))
Jedpeck, Jedpeck! Get a grip! Keep repeating to yourself,
IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW, IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW. . . It was THIRTY-TWO years
ago, and there's NOTHING you can do about it NOW! (Come to think of
it, there was NOTHING you COULD have done about it THEN, either) . . .
Sharon Smyth did the best she could under the circumstances. . .
So, just two words of advice:
PRO and ZAC!
V.O.S.R.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Out of the ash
I rise with my red hair,
And I eat men like air.
Sylvia Plath
The Ghost of Sarah Collins
DBrown3209 wrote:
> In the 30 years I've been a fan, I've never heard anyone put down Sharon
> Smyth's acting until the past few days. I hope it ends real soon.
Hello. . . .
I feel so sad that a few of you don't care for me. . . or the
very nice little girl who so exquisitely portrayed me. . . it was a very
difficult time in those days of little or no time for preparation.
So I am here to express my feelings towards Ms. Smyth. . . . we are
one, she is me and I am her. (not IRL) There can be no other Sarah.
The Ghost of Sarah Collins. Loving sister of Barnabas.
"That evil is wicked is well understood.
the wicked are punished so you must be good."
(Sarah to Barnabas.)
Jedpeck
DBrown3209
Drago616
concern for her brother's eternal wellbeing is admirable, as are the lengths
she will go to preserve it. Sarah, we are gled you're still with us!
Your loving Cousin
Nile Bradford
Garypa
people are sometimes a little too lazy to proof their messages.
Garypa
can...@localnet.com
Ah, hell, it's the Internet! I guess we should all relax. I know that a lot of
the time I just want to get my ideas across, and my fingers are typing fast and
furiously...(and I usually have a glass of wine at hand, by the time I get to
this newsgroup)...and aside from spelling errors, I usually don't give a s***. I
don't care if my infinitives are split. I don't care if my sentences are too long
(heehee). It's supposed to be like conversation, I guess, which is usually full
of errors. I liked the way JT clicked into his "Pedantic Mode" and then clicked
out of it. He just couldn't resist! As I mentioned, when I'm in real-time
conversation with strangers, I correct them in spite of myself. Here, I'm at a
party where I like everyone (except for a couple of trolls), so I have to remind
myself that communication is the main thing, and we are not writing a book here
(well, most of us aren't!). Blah blah blahhhhhhhhhh! Hmm, my wine glass is
empty.
MsYoni
can...@localnet.com
> In the 30 years I've been a fan, I've never heard anyone put down Sharon
> Smyth's acting until the past few days. I hope it ends real soon.
Me too. I thought she was poised and wonderful for a young girl of her age. If
there is any fault to be found, it's with the script, IMHO.
MsYoni
cjk
can...@localnet.com (can...@localnet.com) wrote:
: DBrown3209 wrote:
:I thought she was poised and wonderful for a young girl of her age. If
: there is any fault to be found, it's with the script, IMHO.
: MsYoni
Yes, I agree. And she also can't be blamed for her wardrobe and the London
Bridge song. (I'm sorry, I can't recall who complained about these) Most
children sing the same little songs over and over too, and really, Sarah's
singing never bothered me. But I first saw this part of DS when I was
nine, and Sarah fascinated me. I used to imagine myself playing with
her. :) She's one of the strongest memories I
have of the show. I didn't see it again until thirteen years later! --Amy,
on the other hand does annoy me. I guess it's her voice, and maybe a
little left over disappointment that they didn't bring Sarah back. This
has nothing to do with Denise though. I've met both Denise and Sharon at
festivals, and they were very nice.
Joanie
Michael Long
better off being ignored.
MBLong
DBrown3209 wrote in message
<19990331213436...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
DBrown3209
>on the other hand does annoy me. I guess it's her voice, and maybe a
>little left over disappointment that they didn't bring Sarah back. This
Now, that I have to agree with. In those days, Denise's voice grated on me.
But as a child actress, I thought she was pretty good.
BOBUBAS
especially when she and David were under Quentin's power. There were times when
she looked or spoke during this story line, that she appeared down right scary!
:>) Bob
Jedpeck
So do I. Nickerson was really wonderful...even seen through a fishtank. The
kid really pulled it off and appeared to enjoy what she was doing. Now, should
we move on to Kathy Cody...the juvenille equivalent of Betsy Durkin IMO?
Jedpeck
>better off being ignored.
>MBLong
Well, I'm not trolling...I never liked the actress...ever...nor the character.
Grating and annoying are the first two words that come to mind. She simply
cannot hold her own with the more mature actors as others could (i.e. David
Hennesy). This is, as always, my opinion...but lighten up...some things are
sent here as absurdities...and should be read as such. Jeez. Not everyone has
to like every actor or actress on DS...
Jedpeck
>IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW, IT'S ONLY A TV SHOW. . . It was THIRTY-TWO years
>ago, and there's NOTHING you can do about it NOW! (Come to think of
>it, there was NOTHING you COULD have done about it THEN, either) . . .
>Sharon Smyth did the best she could under the circumstances. . .
>So, just two words of advice:
> PRO and ZAC!
Oh, I know...I was simply taken the whole "That Child Actor Needs to Be Fired"
thing to an absurd level...how in the world can anyone fire an actress from a
long-dead series? Anyway, I just don't like her and was simply going along
with the postings. Why should Sharon Smythe be treated differently than any
other actor or actress on DS when it comes to personal opinions or running
commentaries. I've never liked the actress or the character--even disliked the
character more in the revival series (but liked the actress--she was competent
among adults).
James Troutman
Exactly. And simple spelling errors and typos don't bother me (too much). I've even
learned to overlook "of" when it should be "have" or perhaps "'ve." In a
conversation it doesn't matter how one spells it. :-)
Sometimes, though, I just can't help myself; but I try not to be obnoxious about
it...
--JT
Dumorte
>character.
>Grating and annoying are the first two words that come to mind. She simply
>cannot hold her own with the more mature actors as others could (i.e. David
>Hennesy). This is, as always, my opinion...but lighten up...some things are
>sent here as absurdities...and should be read as such. Jeez. Not everyone
>has
>to like every actor or actress on DS...
You have a right to say what you feel in an intelligent manner (which you have
done). I peronally disagree with you. But as you say, that is my opinion.
There are several actors that I really don't care for.
Sidney
Dumorte
"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so."
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
V.O.S.R.
What happened with the "Sarah" character as time went on in the original
DS, is that they took what seemed to be a necessary element (a facet of
pure goodness from the vampire's past, actuated into a being who would
eventually seal the course of his redemption, given that it was probably
settled by that time that Barnabas would NOT be killed off) and pushed
it into the background as a "love/lust story" took center stage.
This, to me, was a great loss. Sarah as originally conceived had a
greater role in Barnabas's life than what was finally presented in 1795.
All she had by then, were a few less-than-character-defining
appearances, with a sudden jolt of "Angelique threatens Sarah to
blackmail Barnabas", followed not long after by the realization that,
"My God, we HAVE to kill Sarah off in relation to BOTH Barnabas AND
Vicky's stories!"
I have always thought that the original DS was stronger in
its depiction of sibling relationships than any form of love/lust
relationship (one reason being, of course, that a sibling, or
sibling-type relationship can be permitted to develop in any sort of
way and still sustain interest, while so-called "love" stories must
be nipped in the bud continually to be stimulating.) They even created
a concept of male-female bonding in Barnabas and Julia that occasionally
reflected a brother/sister angle.
I wouldn't presume to say that's because the writers were just better
at inventing sibling wrangles than romantic ones, but save for the
cracklin' good exchanges between Angelique and just about anybody, most
of the "romantic" stuff, IMHO, fell south of flat. (Then again, this
could just be a prejudice of mine--- I'm not crazy about love stories or
"chick-flick" type stuff in general.)
But I digress. As for Sharon Smyth's performance, anyone's entitled to
their opinion, but geez, the venom in some of these
posts--- I happen to be one who preferred Ms. Smyth's relatively demure
performance to Denise Nickerson's, though, to my eyes, both improved in
their style as they spent more time in their roles. (Sharon seemed more
confident and Denise became less shrill.) Still, there's NOTHING here
that should have provoked such MEANNESS!
These were two ordinary little girls doing something we who were also
kids at the same time envied, but knew inside we probably couldn't have
done without going to pieces. (I recall reading that Ms. Nickerson had
been involved with acting since toddlerhood; I don't know about Ms.
Smyth.) They both grew up to be pleasant and attractive women who are
quite co-operative when answering questions about those far-off days at
DS gatherings. (Getting a picture of the two of them together this year
would be a treat.)
And as for Kathy Cody. . . That WAS a casting glitch--- picking a
20-yr.-old who looked it, to play a 15-yr.-old in pastel minidresses and
(bane of my parochial school existence) KNEESOCKS, and yet, having her
say and do things that were too young for even a 1970 15-yr.-old
and having her hang out with actual 13-yr.-old David as if they were
supposed to be a "couple" or something (And, in 1840, they advanced her
age to all of 16!). . . But again, NOT Ms. Cody's fault, really.
Remember the actors'/actresses' credo: "Hey, it's a JOB!"
If you want to get irked at ANYONE, maybe it should be whoever
did the casting! (Wonder if HE/SHE/THEY ever come to Festivals, etc, if
they're fit enough to do so. Probably not--- they'd get their heads
bitten off for sure!)
V.o.S.R.
Yamstep
(BOBUBAS) writes:
>Hi Agree with Dave here. I thought Denise did a good job with the part,
>especially when she and David were under Quentin's power. There were times
>when
>she looked or spoke during this story line, that she appeared down right
>scary!
I think that storyline has the finest acting from David and Denise. I'ts almost
as good as the two child actors in "The Innocents", from which the storyline
was based.
Extra bonus: Quentin is introduced!
Jane Ellen
also later did as a made-for-tv movie in his series of classic horror films
. . .
Barnabas Collins
Respectfully,
Babetta Lynde
DBrown3209 wrote:
> In the 30 years I've been a fan, I've never heard anyone put down Sharon
> Smyth's acting until the past few days. I hope it ends real soon.
I agree with you - it is a shame that Sharon's acting has brought about such
an outpouring in the manner that it has. Whereas everyone definitely has the
right to their own opinion, I think we should remember that when this series
was televised, the 'soap opera' was a relatively new concept. Most actors
needed to memorize lines on a daily basis, and as someone who participated in
school plays, I can't imagine the pressure that must have been on the children
to get everything right. If we look at DS as a whole, we can find many faults
within it, ranging from the acting to the lighting to the camera people, and on
and on. Has anyone ever noticed when an actor accidentally walks past a camera
when the cast list is zipping by? For me, part of the delight of watching DS
again after so many years is to be able to find all these little defects... and
smile. :)
Babs
"I'm not really bad - I'm just drawn that way!" - Jessica from Who Shot Roger
Rabbit
ISOLDE
>
> > In the 30 years I've been a fan, I've never heard anyone put down
Sharon
> > Smyth's acting until the past few days. I hope it ends real soon.
Who are you? president of her fan club? LMAO here.
>
Stuart Manning
>which of course is "The Turn of the Screw" -- which I believe Dan Curtis
>also later did as a made-for-tv movie in his series of classic horror films
He did, though compared the stunning monochrome photography and elegant
performances of "The Innocents", his videotaped version looks very
low-budget and dated. Though I do seem to remember that it had "The
Innocents"' divine Megs Jenkins amidst the cast, which is something of a
saving grace.
Stuart
Jedpeck
>an outpouring in the manner that it has.
No, it's not a shame. People comment on other actor's portrayals all the
time--and some that are far more vicious than the "attacks" on Sharon Smyth's
acting skills. It's simply someone's opinon.
>I think we should remember that when this series
>was televised, the 'soap opera' was a relatively new concept.
Not really new at all...dates back to radio soaps in the 1930s and the earliest
were televised in the early 1950s. What sets DS apart are the production
team's efforts to "push the envelope" in terms of available
technology--admirable if not cheesy by today's standards...but it holds up.
>If we look at DS as a whole, we can find many faults
>within it, ranging from the acting to the lighting to the camera people, and
>on
>and on. Has anyone ever noticed when an actor accidentally walks past a
>camera
>when the cast list is zipping by?
Yes, and we are always quick to point those out.
>For me, part of the delight of watching DS
>again after so many years is to be able to find all these little defects...
>and
>smile. :)
>
Yes, I quite agree here. What I don't understand is why everyone is coming out
of the woodwork to defend Sharon Smyth and condemn those who do not like her
as an actress (or the character) and making such a big deal about it when it's
seems quite proper and correct to do so for any other actor (or character). Is
it because she was a child actress? Not a good enough reason. So was David
Hennesy.
DBrown3209
>>
No, I'm not president of her fan club, but why would you be LYAO? I've simply
met the lady several times at conventions and like her very much. I'm
surprised to see so many people recently putting down her acting as a child.
It's never happened before. Your sarcasm toward my comment is inexscusable.
rosec...@my-dejanews.com
barn...@aol.com (BarnaFrid) wrote:
> >She is quite amateurish, and that accent always cracked me up.
>
> IMHO It just seems like Sharon had a hard time enuciating certain words.
> Perhaps a phoentics lesson ot two would have alleviated this problem.
>
TEE, HEE! LOL! "phoentics!" I love it!
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presented viable arguments to support the varying opinions. You must now
agree to disagree and move on. Personal attacks only create animosity
and bitterness. Remember, all we have is each other.
Alkemmy
>stared at the teleprompter then delivered her lines so deadpan like
Well she is supposed to be related to Barnabas isn't she ? : )
A
Jeanannd
>Yes, I quite agree here. What I don't understand is why everyone is coming
>out
>of the woodwork to defend Sharon Smyth and condemn those who do not like her
>as an actress (or the character) and making such a big deal about it when
>it's
>seems quite proper and correct to do so for any other actor (or character).
>Is
>it because she was a child actress? Not a good enough reason. So was David
>Hennesy.
=============
David Hennesy was also older then the girl that played Sarah...and he screwed
up many times as well. All the actors and actress's made many bloopers. On a
show that they had to learn the script, sometimes minutes before doing it...if
at all (teleprompters used and no script before hand) this is not uncommon.
It's amazing they all did as fine a job on the show as they did. So condeming
one little girl for a few screw ups and ignoring the rest is hardly fair. I
think they all did a wonderful job, including the actress who played
Sarah....and it's not her fault someone chose to have her sing London Bridges
over, and over and over again. that's REALLY the problem...that song is
getting to people! ;)
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Message board, links and FanFiction area.
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Virginia or Edward Brekhus
Jeanannd wrote in message <19990403205028...@ng95.aol.com>...
>....and it's not her fault someone chose to have her sing London Bridges
>over, and over and over again. that's REALLY the problem...that song is
>getting to people! ;)
>
I think maybe "London Bridge" was the only song the writers could think of
that might have been sung in the 1700's that a modern audience would
recognize. And the same problem with the doll and the ball -- it's not like
she could play Nintendo or even Monopoly.
I don't think the writers were too familiar with how children actually
behave. They did better with David because he wasn't supposed to be a
"good" child.
Va.
Erica
Brekhus" <ebre...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
Sadly, the writers later show that they had no idea how to let David grow
up and become a teenager.
Erica
--
Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die.
Wayne Byrd
for supper? Perhaps with a little milk
and rest your attitude will be less
critical.
Wayne
ISOLDE
fantasy world.
Now just check out the spiteful defensive winey posts that follow!
I guess all someone here has to do is criticize one of their beloved cast
members and they descend on you right away. It's a great way to "keep
outsiders out" of their little cozy "feel good" news group, but no one here
owns this place and i have just as much right to post my opinion as others.
and for the record folks, don't try to intimidate me, you already look
ridiculous enough defending that crummy actress who plays SARAH.
ISOLDE
news:19990403111135...@ng43.aol.com...
> No, I'm not president of her fan club, but why would you be LYAO? I've
simply
> met the lady several times at conventions and like her very much. I'm
> surprised to see so many people recently putting down her acting as a
child.
> It's never happened before. Your sarcasm toward my comment is
inexscusable.
you need to get a grip and fast! hello! hello! you're losing it!
vince garcia
>
>
> and for the record folks, don't try to intimidate me, you already look
> ridiculous enough defending that crummy actress who plays SARAH.
How about naming for us a better child actress from 1966 than Sharon
Smyth?
v
Jedpeck
her portrayer...but I must admit, the post is just so out there in defense of
Miss Smythe that I have to agree with the response: Miss Smythe's defender is
losing it...in my opinion, she has lost it...>> No, I'm not president of her
Jedpeck
>Smyth?
Just give me a few days for research...there were many juvenille actresses on
soaps in the 1960s. All I have to do is whip out my SOAP OPERA ENCYCLOPEDIA by
Christopher Schemering (in the attic at present) and I can type out a
full-blown list of far superior actresses who worked under the same constraints
as Miss Smythe, with whom so many are curiously besotted and for whom so many
are quick to rush to defense. She sucked.
Wayne Byrd
There are ways of being critical, and
a step beyond becomes being mean and
veangeful. No one on this board objects
to constructive and thoughtful criticism,
but making mean and personal remarks
about an actor is beyond acceptable. I
have no problems with criticism-I am no
homer, BUT, this is a civilized board, and
your lack of manners are not appreciated.
Wayne
ISOLDE
vince garcia <vgga...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>
> How about naming for us a better child actress from 1966 than Sharon
> Smyth?
>
(It's ok if people want to disagree and say awful things about Mark Lester -
I'm not his sister OR the president of his fan club ya know!)
As for females, I don't know. I would have to think about that one. But I'm
sure any casting agent back in '66 would have known and so there is no
excuse. I am beginning to believe this "actress" must have been the daughter
of someone associated with the show or neice or something. In this case, I
would forgive her for the pain she has caused me.
LOL
ISOLDE
a breath of fresh air here!
Jedpeck <jed...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >How about naming for us a better child actress from 1966 than Sharon
> >Smyth?
>
ISOLDE
Wayne Byrd <asl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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DBrown3209
Please watch your language on the boards. Nobody wants to see that kind of
thing here.
Michael Long
it doesn't get received.
MBLong
Wayne Byrd wrote in message <17128-37...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
Jedpeck
>>Smyth?
>
>Just give me a few days for research...there were many juvenille actresses on
>soaps in the 1960s. All I have to do is whip out my SOAP OPERA ENCYCLOPEDIA
>by
>Christopher Schemering (in the attic at present) and I can type out a
>full-blown list of far superior actresses who worked under the same
>constraints
>as Miss Smythe, with whom so many are curiously besotted and for whom so many
>are quick to rush to defense. She sucked.
To hell with a few days--here's one: Richard Thomas (later John Boy on THE
WALTONS), who played Tom Hughes on AS THE WORLD TURNS from 1966-67. Then,
there's Jacqueline Courtney who originated the role of Alice Matthews Fram on
ANOTHER WORLD in 1964 (yes, she was twentyish at the time, but prior to that
she had played roles on everything from Horn and Hardart's CHILDREN'S HOUR to
Viola Smith on THE EDGE OF NIGHT in 1961--doing a stellar turn for one so
young. And lest we forget, Jada Rowland who played Amy Ames (for twenty
years, beginning in 1954 at age 9, then going on to THE DOCTORS) AND THEN
retiring from showbusiness. One talented male and two talented females who
could ACT and ENUNCIATE and MAKE THE VIEWER BELIEVE....
Jedpeck
>thing here.
Well, we could go one for one on that subject--language: some people don't need
a pompous fool dressing them down and others would probably not prefer to be
subjected to the role-playing, coy nonsense espoused by some of the regulars
here.
DBrown3209
You're right. I'm wrong. I don't know what's been the matter with me. She
stunk then and stinks now. Will that make you happy and drop it finally?
jose casares
I agree!
Beverly Collins-LaCroix
Cousin/GSS/NA/DP/CP
ArchAngel to ARES, God of War
"Death shall have no dominion"
Collins-Library Archive
www.dsfanfic.com
jose casares
THE WALTONS), who played Tom Hughes on AS THE WORLD TURNS from
1966-67.>>
Yeah, he'd make a real good Sarah, wouldn't he?
ISOLDE
Jedpeck
>
Yes, but not simply because you agree only so that I'll drop it. I simply find
it strange and incredible that any other actor or actress on the show if fair
game for comments on their abilities as a thespian or the actions of their
characters--except for Sarah Collins...that's the point I've been
trying--repeatedly, ad nauseum, etc.--to make...
Jedpeck
>THE WALTONS), who played Tom Hughes on AS THE WORLD TURNS from
>1966-67.>>
>Yeah, he'd make a real good Sarah, wouldn't he?
>
One never knows...but I was simply responding to a query re: actors of a
similar age who were good...did not know this was simply a female issue. But I
did name several actresses who are--not only in my opinion, but in the court of
public opinion--who were far superior at the same or relatively the same age as
Miss Smythe was during her tenure on DS. I'm done with this anyway--provided
no one eggs me on for more--because spring break is over and it's time to
really TEACH again...
Yngtop27
little opinion, one way or the other...I thought Sarah a minorly interesting
character as Barnabas' conscience, but other than that, she didn't intrigue me
much...as for Sharon's performance, it certainly wasn't the best on the series,
but in my opinion, hardly the worst (I'm afraid in my opinion, that award has
to go to Betsy Durkin and little "Alexander")...
HOWEVER...things are really getting out of hand in this thread, on both
sides...Jedpeck, we've gone head-to-head before, and also agreed on several
things before...you are generally a reasonable person, I have found...you
didn't like Sharon Smythe...I understand that, and your reasons are your
own...obviously others here disagree with you for reasons of their own, and
that's fine too...it isn't always easy for people to articulate why they like
or dislike an actor, especially if they don't have a theatrical background...so
don't be too harsh when someone says they liked something, but can't say why,
though I can understand that it can be frustrating when trying to get across
your point...
on the other hand, blindly attacking someone personally, just because they
didn't like something or someone you did like is completely uncalled for by
anyone...disagreeing is fine, but do so logically and concisely as possible,
without attacking the poster...state your reasons or opinion, and stay away
from saying things like "you're crazy if you think this" or similiar remarks...
this thread has ended several times, only to be started again by someone with
very inflaming posts...which have been as blindly hateful as others have been
blindly praising...it boils down to, everyone has personal tatses, and
differing opinions...getting nasty and vicious on either side is wrong and just
generates a lot of bad feelings between people...so agree to disagree and let's
get on with it...
pstoddard
JBrown1977
>Yes, but not simply because you agree only so that I'll drop it. I simply
>find
>it strange and incredible that any other actor or actress on the show if fair
>game for comments on their abilities as a thespian or the actions of their
>characters--except for Sarah Collins...that's the point I've been
>trying--repeatedly, ad nauseum, etc.--to make...
>
You know, YOU could just agree to disagree. If you're so determined to have
your own opinion, why dont you let other people have theirs?
Erica
<IRob...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Jedpeck you and i are about the only people here who are not lost in a
> fantasy world.
>
> Now just check out the spiteful defensive winey posts that follow!
>
> I guess all someone here has to do is criticize one of their beloved cast
> members and they descend on you right away. It's a great way to "keep
> outsiders out" of their little cozy "feel good" news group, but no one here
> owns this place and i have just as much right to post my opinion as others.
>
> and for the record folks, don't try to intimidate me, you already look
> ridiculous enough defending that crummy actress who plays SARAH.
Thud...thud...thud...thud...thud...
Sigh, I feel no better, and now I have a headache, too. This stress
relieving kit doesn't work at all. :( (I've been reading recent posts,
can you tell?)
Honestly, what's so bad? I really, REALLY don't see what's SO bad about
the performance. If anything, the writing for the character is a bit
repetitive, but that's about all..
Actually, the impression I get is that some of these actors are veterans
in their craft, and some are very, very new. Sharon could possibly have
been one of the newbies. Does anyone know if she'd done any acting before
this?
I'm not lost in a fantasy. And I never even met the actress. And if you
want to criticize cast members, there are a couple who really stink in my
opinion. However, IMO Sharon isn't one of them. At least, there's nothing
in her performance that makes me want to hire a hit man or something. Must
be a matter of personal taste.
Not trying to be intimidating. Just stating my opinion, same as you.
ISOLDE
(which I leave unedited here for you to review) I do consider a personal
attack. Why don't you just do what I do? If someone posts something that
does not interest me (whether it is because I consider it "offensive"
"nerdy" "crazy" "irrelevant" or what have you) I simply go on to the next
post. Can you quote where he "blindly attacked someone???"
Yngtop27 <yngt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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ISOLDE
heartily, yet you refrain from a personal attack on me. Instead, you say
your peace as I said mine, and everyone is happy. It's ok with me if people
disagree with me. I have no problem with that. Thank you for responding this
way. It is much more constructive than attacking me or saying things like,
"Well can you name a BETTER child actress from the late 60's?"
Erica <di...@Ihatespam.execpc.com> wrote in message
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Joanna Conn
Does anyone know if she will appear to him soon? cant recall.
vince garcia
>
> Barnabas messed his lines up on adaily basis.Sarah sounds great to him.
> Does anyone know if she will appear to him soon? cant recall.
>
>
yes--when he kills dr woodard. Then she rebukes him and says she will
never appear to him again
v
V.O.S.R.
This is my last post on this increasingly disagreeable subject.
I did NOT advise Mr. Jedpeck to take Prozac JUST BECAUSE he disliked
the 32-yr.-old recorded performance of a child actress, but jokingly
suggested it due to the rather extreme tones of the posts, which fell
far short of good-humored dismay.
In short, express dislike for the performance if it doesn't strike your
fancy, express dislike for the actress, if you can credibly justify
either, in a manner not quite so--so-- I was going to say
"confrontational", but "combative" seems a better term! Having a few
laughs, or even a spirited debate about the perceived absurdity of some
nuance or action is ONE thing, but what's the point of getting NASTY
about it?
This goes for some of the Anthony George posts, even though
he was already an adult at the time, and presumably more culpable.
(YES! He was GUILTY-- of accepting a major role on the hottest soap
opera then on television, replacing a good actor who happened to have
problems which interfered with his work! How DARE the upstart!)
"Thunderburke" and "Burke Lite" are CUTE. Anything more vicious is NOT.
Mr. George was in the business long enough to have his hits and his
misses. His "Burke" was apparently a miss, though not entirely his
fault. Again, nothing's gonna change the fact. . .
And if Mr. Brown (or anyone else) chooses to defend Ms. Smyth (or
anyone else) on the basis of personal acquaintance, then one will have
to come up with an argument rather MORE substantial to refute it than
"I have a right to MY opinion, expressed in a manner most likely to
provoke futile-defensive-whiny-self-justification, so tough cookies for
you!"
Time to put this thread to bed already, methinks....
V.o.S.R.
P.S.: Another pipe dream---Anthony George and Mitch Ryan together on
stage with the The Last Two Vickies, the Willie We Hardly Knew, The
Three Lost Lambs (Sharon Smyth-Lenz and Kathy Cody together with
Denise Nickerson)--- taking on ALL nay-sayers!
==================================
Must be strangely exciting
to watch the stoic squirm...
Alanis Morissette
Drago616
May it R.I.P.
N.B.
Szake719
Saturday at 8 PM & 2 AM on TCI Cable Channel 5. They must have been reading
this newsgroup because the program featured a marionette medley by Cliff
Richards & The Dark Shadows from 'Thunderbirds Are Go'.
Kevin
vince garcia
That's Cliff RICHARD and the SHADOWS (not DARK shadows)
v
Yngtop27
>> didn't like something or someone you did like is completely uncalled for
>by
>> anyone
ok...rereading my original post, I understand where the confusion came in...my
reference to "blindly attacking someone personally" was not directed at Jedpeck
specifically...it was directed at anyone on either side of any debate who does
this, and this has been rather rampart on both sides of this thread...
pstoddard
can...@localnet.com
Dittos to you, Nile, and to the VoSR.
MsYoni
Drago616
>
>
Thank you for your kind thoughts, Dear Lady, but for me, alas, it is not to be.
Nile Bradford (1770-1830)
