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Stephen Robinson

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Apr 10, 2001, 8:56:33 PM4/10/01
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They really need to rename Widow's Hill. I think Carolyn is the only one who
qualifies. Otherwise, it's mostly ladies who take the long drop - Josette
started the trend, then Vicky, Joanna, Samantha and Beth.
______________________________________
Stephen Robinson

"What we need is a female victim of sudden death."
-Colin Clive, BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN

Graeme

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Apr 10, 2001, 9:15:16 PM4/10/01
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>>They really need to rename Widow's Hill. I think Carolyn is the only one who
qualifies.
>>

Carolyn?


>>Otherwise, it's mostly ladies who take the long drop - Josette started the
trend, >>

Actually Josette WAS a widow. She wasn't supposed to be originally, but when
the 1795/6 story rolled around, she was.

>>then Vicky, Joanna, Samantha and Beth.
>>

Vicki's borderline. She was kind of a widow, kinda sorta. She married a dead
man.


Guy Haines, II

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Apr 11, 2001, 1:12:26 AM4/11/01
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"Stephen Robinson" <julie...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20010410205633...@ng-de1.aol.com...

> They really need to rename Widow's Hill. I think Carolyn is the only one
who
> qualifies.

How about Megan? Or, does being a vampire automatically cancel out being a
widow?
Guy


Eric Newman

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Apr 11, 2001, 1:28:01 AM4/11/01
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To be a vampire you have to be dead, so I guess Philip was a widower.

isolde

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Apr 11, 2001, 4:08:03 AM4/11/01
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I think he means that it makes widowers out of men because women keep
falling from it. Carolyn was a widow because Jeb died.


Nyssa & Cugan

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Apr 11, 2001, 6:06:39 PM4/11/01
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Stephen Robinson wrote:
>
> They really need to rename Widow's Hill. I think Carolyn is the only one who
> qualifies. Otherwise, it's mostly ladies who take the long drop - Josette
> started the trend, then Vicky, Joanna, Samantha and Beth.
> ______________________________________

I believe they said once that it was named for women who, distraught
with grief, killed themselves after their husbands were lost at sea.
Therefore, widows.

Nyssa

Chris Reiger

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Apr 11, 2001, 9:02:24 PM4/11/01
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I am confused. Wasn't the hill/cliff overlooking the ocean always
called Widow's Hill? And when in the series was Victoria Winters ever a
widow herself?

Eric Newman

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Apr 11, 2001, 9:41:15 PM4/11/01
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:02:24 -0400 (EDT), cubb...@webtv.net (Chris
Reiger) wrote:

> I am confused. Wasn't the hill/cliff overlooking the ocean always
>called Widow's Hill?

Yes, it was. Did you start at the beginning of this thread?

>And when in the series was Victoria Winters ever a
>widow herself?

She wasn't, but she thought she was because she married Jeff Clark and
then he vanished into the eighteenth century. By the twentieth century
he was long dead, whether he'd been hanged or not, so I guess she was
a widow in that sense.

isolde

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Apr 12, 2001, 2:15:14 AM4/12/01
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To explain what I think the first poster meant...

(spoiler follows if you haven't seen the Leviathan story)

It isn't that Vicki was a widow, but that Peter Bradford became a widower
when Jeb killed Vicki at , I believe, Widow's Hill. This was why Peter
Bradford's ghost pointlessly appeared in the Leviathan story to supposedly
avenge Vicki's death.

And yes, the cliff was called Widow's Hill because women would go there to
search the horizon for their husbands who were at sea.


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Graeme

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Apr 12, 2001, 2:15:30 AM4/12/01
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>> I am confused. Wasn't the hill/cliff overlooking the ocean always called
Widow's Hill? And when in the series was Victoria Winters ever a widow herself?

>>

It's never called anything else in the show. But supposedly it has that name
because Rachel Comstock, Margaret Finley, and Abigail Tolliver, all widows,
jumped off it, and are now waiting for a 4th widow to join them (and for some
reason Josette doesn't count).

Possibly it had a different name before those three jumped, but if so, we're
never told what it was.

Eric Newman

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Apr 12, 2001, 7:12:40 PM4/12/01
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Widows' Peak.

Graeme

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:14:50 AM4/13/01
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I wrote:
>>It's never called anything else in the show. But supposedly it has that name
because Rachel Comstock, Margaret Finley, and Abigail Tolliver, all widows,
jumped off it, and are now waiting for a 4th widow to join them (and for some
reason Josette doesn't count).

Possibly it had a different name before those three jumped, but if so, we're
never told what it was.
>>

After re-reading the applicable part in the Story Bible, I find that Josette
originally WAS the first of the three Widows. Apparently they changed that
long before they changed the bit about Josette surviving Jeremiah. Also, the
book says that Widow's Hill is technically on Collins property, but it's
regarded like public land, and townsfolk sometimes come there to gaze out to
sea. Apparently not fenced off or surrounded by No Trespassing signs.

Guy Haines, II

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:40:16 AM4/13/01
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"Eric Newman" <ed...@carroll.dotcom> wrote in message

> >
> >Possibly it had a different name before those three jumped, but if so,
we're
> >never told what it was.
>
> Widows' Peak.

Wasn't this on the original Reverend Trask's forehead? If I was standing
there, widower or not, I'd jump and end it all too!
Guy


Guy Haines, II

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Apr 13, 2001, 12:50:10 AM4/13/01
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"isolde" <iso...@goplay.com> wrote in message
news:SJbB6.126699$Xt3.18...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...

> To explain what I think the first poster meant...
>
> (spoiler follows if you haven't seen the Leviathan story)
>
> It isn't that Vicki was a widow, but that Peter Bradford became a widower
> when Jeb killed Vicki at , I believe, Widow's Hill. This was why Peter
> Bradford's ghost pointlessly appeared in the Leviathan story to supposedly
> avenge Vicki's death.
>
I think you're on the right track, isolde. However, if memory serves, I
don't think the person who started this thread (can't remember who it was)
mentioned Vicki and Peter. I think they were meaning men who had lost their
wives (widowers) who jumped off of the hill. They mentioned Carolyn and Jeb
and said they thought Carolyn was the only one to qualify to make it a
"widower's hill", meaning a widower jumped, not a widow. Did Jeb go to
Widow's Hill thinking Carolyn had jumped, thus making him (in his mind only
since Carolyn hadn't jumped) "a widower"? I then pointed out that Phillip
Todd was a widower (unless you don't consider someone with a vampire spouse
a true widower) who jumped from "Widower's Hill". It has been a confusing
thread.
Perhaps the person who started the thread can clarify further?
Guy


Buzz Haircut

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Apr 14, 2001, 4:29:47 PM4/14/01
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You know -- if the Collinses had spent more time safely picnicking overin Widow's
Valley, they sure would have saved themselves a lot of grief, not to mention
insurance premiums.

Ubiquitous

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Apr 14, 2001, 10:12:54 PM4/14/01
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In article <DhUA6.123717$Xt3.17...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com>,
iso...@goplay.com wrote...

>I think he means that it makes widowers out of men because women keep
>falling from it. Carolyn was a widow because Jeb died.

Wasn't the hill named after the six(?) widows who jumped from it?
I distinctly recall seeing the six of them beckoning to Liz Stoddard
during the Jason McGuire storyline.

--
"I enjoy Spam. It's a meat that comes in a can. I have not tried
the Internet kind, but I'm sure it's just as tasty as the original"

Graeme

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Apr 14, 2001, 10:27:02 PM4/14/01
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>>Wasn't the hill named after the six(?) widows who jumped from it? I
distinctly recall seeing the six of them beckoning to Liz Stoddard during the
Jason McGuire storyline.
>>

Three. We also see them at the end of the Matthew Morgan business. But I
believe that Liz just hallucinated the bit you're talking about. The real
Widows wouldn't have cared about her. She wasn't a widow herself. She just
thought she was.

Eric Newman

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Apr 14, 2001, 10:47:42 PM4/14/01
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But they believed her, and when they found out she wasn't one of them,
they were really mad. And one thing you want to avoid is a widow's
pique.

Knockknee

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Apr 15, 2001, 10:05:35 AM4/15/01
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In article <3ad90b95....@news.carroll.com>, ed...@carroll.dotcom says...

Groaaaaaannnnn...

<g>

Knockknee


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Ubiquitous

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Apr 15, 2001, 9:23:55 PM4/15/01
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In article <3ad6364...@news.carroll.com>, ed...@carroll.dotcom wrote...

> Widows' Peak.

It was named after a haircut?

Lily B. K.

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Apr 15, 2001, 9:36:16 PM4/15/01
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>Subject: Re: Widower's Hill?
>From: ed...@carroll.dotcom (Eric Newman)
>Date: 4/14/01 10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3ad90b95....@news.carroll.com>

>But they believed her, and when they found out she wasn't one of them,
>they were really mad. And one thing you want to avoid is a widow's
>pique.
>
>

LOL! Eric, I had to come back and read this one again... very good, and sublte,
too...

Lily B. K. (Me, Myself, and I)
"Impropriety is the soul of wit."
Somerset Maugham-- The Moon and Sixpence

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