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Graig Kennaugh

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Jan 2, 2006, 9:29:31 PM1/2/06
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After downloading all but 2 eps of Daria, I'm working on converting some
from avi to mpg, and then making them into a DVD. I have many that are of
unwatchable quality, or have the beginning and/or end credits edited out, or
are incomplete, and so now I need to start saving them on the DVR, importing
into my computer, and editing out commercials. I'm to the point where $75
seems like a good deal to avoid all the hassle. Does anyone know how good
the set is that's sold on the link from the MTV site? I emailed them asking
if they have complete beginning/end, good aud/vid quality, etc but haven't
heard back yet (maybe they're taking the holidays off).

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E Brown

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Jan 2, 2006, 9:52:07 PM1/2/06
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I've got the set. I think the first 2 or 3 discs were made from a
marathon on MTV - Sarcastathon. Because of this, the credits are
missing and in place are bumpers of Daria and Jane in different
costumes. The credits on the rest are cut as well, but the glimpses I
caught of some show they were mostly squished for ads and had
voice-overs running.
They look best in a 320x240 window, but are watchable larger. Audio
is fine, though there's a sound glitch in, iirc, "The Teachings of Don
Jake" - a chime like a Windows error that only lasts a moment.
To sum up - they're watchable but not even close to professional
quality; I'll definitely buy the box set if it's ever released.
epbrown
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Piotr Kompa

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Jan 3, 2006, 3:29:17 AM1/3/06
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Graig Kennaugh wrote:
> After downloading all but 2 eps of Daria, I'm working on converting some
> from avi to mpg, and then making them into a DVD. I have many that are of

IMHO the converting into dvd is not worth your effort. The quality won't
be better, unless you want to fix the missed endings. But after watching
it n-times you probably would skip intro and outro anyway :)

> unwatchable quality, or have the beginning and/or end credits edited out, or
> are incomplete, and so now I need to start saving them on the DVR, importing
> into my computer, and editing out commercials. I'm to the point where $75

I have the episodes downloaded from net as avi and mpeg - stored on 3
dvds and the quality on 21" TV is (IMHO) quite good as for cartoon. Due
compression there's no jitter on edges, as on IIFY dvd ;) but the color
saturation is a bit faded and some eps are mono. There are no
commercials, and IIRC endings are missing in 5th season. Well, it's good
enough for me.

I would spare my money for future (sigh) official release.

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Graig Kennaugh

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Jan 4, 2006, 12:16:38 AM1/4/06
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Thanks for the input folks. If the $75 set isn't complete, it's not worth
buying.

We here (or those interested) oughta pool our resources--get a good-quality
copy of each episode, and then compile them all & burn a set. Everyone who
contributes gets a set for the cost of materials, something like that.
Anyone interested?

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Piotr Kompa

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Jan 4, 2006, 4:27:58 AM1/4/06
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Graig Kennaugh wrote:

> We here (or those interested) oughta pool our resources--get a good-quality
> copy of each episode, and then compile them all & burn a set. Everyone who

If you have missing or cut eps, I can see if mine are better quality -
compare size, resolution etc. And if you have some server space to use,
I can upload via ftp a few files. But it would take a while, cause my
connection is slow.

Warewolf

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Jan 4, 2006, 3:08:47 PM1/4/06
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E Brown <three...@att.net> wrote, in part, via
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> I'll definitely buy the box set if it's ever released.

As will I, provided that

1) All of the episodes and both movies are released *uncut and
uncensored* (this includes Sealed with a Kick, Look Back in Annoyance and
all Dariathon footage used on certain episodes. Some episode commentary
from the staff wouldn't hurt either)
2) Every Beavis and Butthead episode she starred in is included, also
*uncut* *glares at Mike Judge for his B&B collection* ~~~}:^(
3) There are interviews with all of the staff that made the show/movies.
(ie 'Daria, Behind the Scenes'?)
4) Copies of the 'Daria Diaries' and 'Daria Database' are included in the
collectors edition.

It was also suggested, when I posted a similar question back in May, that

5) any existing storyboards
6) artist guides for drawing the characters
7) the special, 'Fan's least UNpopular episodes'
8) the final musical montage hosted by Daria and Jane
9) the show's promo spots, narrated by Daria

also be included...

So *LISTEN UP, VIACOM* if you want to make some semblence of profit from
your eager fans!!

You've got a brilliant show in your vault, a subsidary (Noggin/the N)
screwing it up and a whole lot of fans screaming for justice. Now is the
perfect time to read this list and redeem yourselves in the eyes of these
viewers.

Yes, there's a bootleg edition running around but we want *more*, we want
*BETTER*, we'll take the real deal, *PROVIDED YOU DO IT RIGHT!!!*

There's been too many times where a promising 'season' or 'box set' has
been ruined by corporate meddling. If you don't want the pirates you're
'fighting' to win the 'war', give us what we want!! Prove to us that
VIACOM is more than a business and honor at least one series that branded
you a risk-taker and a visionary in the first place.

Signed,
Warewolf
who can't believe he typed that last line. }X^Ş

E Brown

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Jan 4, 2006, 4:12:29 PM1/4/06
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On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 20:08:47 GMT, Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca>
wrote:

>As will I, provided that [snips demands that make Bin Laden seem reasonable]

Viacom, I don't know this guy, and he doesn't speak for me. I'll take
a barebones set without music and slink away happily, as long as the
picture's clear and the audio is good.

Warewolf

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Jan 4, 2006, 11:57:05 PM1/4/06
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E Brown <three...@att.net> barked back in response to something:

> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>As will I, provided that [snips demands that make Bin Laden seem
>>reasonable]
>
> Viacom, I don't know this guy, and he doesn't speak for me. I'll take
> a barebones set without music and slink away happily, as long as the
> picture's clear and the audio is good.

Killjoy. }X^Þ

And you wonder why there's so much corporate crime. }:^)

Signed,
Warewolf
who demands a lot for a his DVD dollar...and usually gets it.
(thanks to favorable reviews and warning signs from (dis)satisfied
customers)

Piotr Kompa

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Jan 5, 2006, 6:50:03 AM1/5/06
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E Brown wrote:

>>As will I, provided that [snips demands that make Bin Laden seem reasonable]

:D
Problem is, that we demand a quality release as in LotR Extended
Trilogy, but unfortunately from company that doesn't care a bit.

> Viacom, I don't know this guy, and he doesn't speak for me. I'll take
> a barebones set without music and slink away happily, as long as the
> picture's clear and the audio is good.

Come on, at *least* with selected original music.
Without it half of the fun goes away :(

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E Brown

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Jan 5, 2006, 8:36:58 AM1/5/06
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:50:03 +0100, Piotr Kompa <p.kom...@wp.pl>
wrote:

>
>Come on, at *least* with selected original music.
>Without it half of the fun goes away :(

While I agree, I don't think it's practical. Lots of great media
has been lost or stalled unreasonably because it used contemporary
music as its soundtrack. Music rights are what delayed a decent
edition of Fast Times at Ridgemont High for decades. The artists don't
become reasonable about how much the music is worth until their
careers are pretty much over, it seems.
Until I got my bootlegs, the only Daria I'd ever seen was on the 2
VHS tapes I scrounged from eBay and the 2 DVDs. The tapes still have
the music, but the DVDs just have eerie silences where the character
move around. The music isn't as integral to the shows for me as it is
for people that actually saw them on MTV.

Piotr Kompa

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Jan 5, 2006, 9:45:44 AM1/5/06
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E Brown wrote:

> While I agree, I don't think it's practical. Lots of great media
> has been lost or stalled unreasonably because it used contemporary
> music as its soundtrack. Music rights are what delayed a decent

I had no idea that music rights are such problem in dvd releases :/

(...)


> the music, but the DVDs just have eerie silences where the character
> move around. The music isn't as integral to the shows for me as it is
> for people that actually saw them on MTV.

I see. I watched first the TV rips, and then ordered IIFY dvd. The
additional eps, with no music as you said, seemed a bit dissappointing
to me.
Now I'm affraid that - if ever officially released - the seasons without
music will leave similiar, half-sweet half-bitter feeling :(
I'll probably buy it anyway to show my appreciation for whole Daria team
(and not because the release is well-done, as it should be ;)

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Martin J. Pollard

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Jan 6, 2006, 1:26:45 AM1/6/06
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:29:31 -0800, "Graig Kennaugh"
<nyar...@comcast.net> wrote:

The other posts in this thread have pretty much answered my questions
about the quality of the Media Enterprises DVD set (basically, they've
confirmed my suspicions of it being overpriced crap). I'm glad I've
stuck to my policy of warning people away from them, though I do
understand the temptation after seeing one TV series after another
gettng the DVD treatment month after month.

Even though it was a ton of work, I forged ahead with the "make my own
DVDs" route. I'd managed to tape all 65 episodes, complete with start
and end credits, when they were still being shown on MTV. (I also
taped the episodes shown on The-N, both for purposes of comparison as
well as for "patching" the original episodes, as I'll explain.) I
captured each episode to an AVI file, edited out the commercials,
cleaned up the VHS noise as best I could (thankfully, I'd taped the
episodes at SP, which gave me a cleaner image), and rendered the
project to a DVD-ready MPG file. In places where audio and/or video
was bad (or where credits were missing, like in most of the season 5
episodes), I used the The-N episodes as "patch" source, splicing in
the edits where needed. And once all episodes were rendered to MPG, I
authored them into DVDs, two per season. I also did the two movies,
the "Sealed With a Kick" pilot, the "Behind the Scenes" and "Look Back
In Annoyance" specials, and a few other items I was able to scrape up.

Yes, it was a long, tedious process. It took about a year to finish.
But the final product was worth it, as my DVD collection now proudly
includes everything related to "Daria" that I have in my video
collection (and I'm still looking for things I either never had or no
longer have, such as the original "Daria Day" and the "Sarcastathon
3000" interstices, as well as MTV's "Top Ten Animated Videos" special
that was hosted by Daria and Jane). And I'll *still* buy the official
DVDs if/when they're ever released, because as much as I was able to
clean up the tapes I have, they're still no match for professionally
made DVDs (but they're still better than VHS).

(And before anyone asks: no. Copyright violation was risky enough
before, but with the television, movie, and music studios being high
on the warpath these days, there's no way in hell I'd risk putting my
privates in the crocodile's jaws, if you catch my drift.)


Martin
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Piotr Kompa

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Jan 6, 2006, 12:31:01 PM1/6/06
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Martin J. Pollard wrote:

> Yes, it was a long, tedious process. It took about a year to finish.
> But the final product was worth it, as my DVD collection now proudly

Congratulations ;) but now you just made us hungrrrry :>

> (And before anyone asks: no. Copyright violation was risky enough
> before, but with the television, movie, and music studios being high

Yeah, in this subject: http://miniurl.pl/riaa
:)

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