Christopher had a Z28 Convertible
Swellen had two UGLY Ford/Mercury Station Wagons; a Mercedes Station Wagon;
a HOT Mercedes 380/560SEC Coupe; and a Jaguar XK8 Convertible
I don't know about Cally, but if memory serves, I think she had a
Corvette......(but she probably borrowed the Beverly Hillbillies' truck)
JR always had those silver-green Mercedes S-class sedans from like '78-'86
(I don't know the numbers--but the model was redesigned in '83). He then had
a Cadillac Allanté convertible, a Lincoln Mark VII LSC (last season--which
was kind of like Deja vu, since Jock had that Lincoln Mark V coupe)....in JR
Returns, he somehow found that old green Mercedes he drove around 15 years
before but that one was blown up. He then got a new silver S500 Mercedes at
the end of JR Returns. In WOTE, he had a silver SL Mercedes 2 seater
convertible (the kind of car Bobby always drove).
Bobby always had a red Mercedes 2 seat SL convertible. In the early 90s,
M-B redesigned the car and he got a black cherry one. In JR returns he had
a BMW Z3, in WOTE he had a Lincoln Navigator (which I love, just not in
Gold/Brown)
Lucy (when she wasn't stealing JR's mercedes) had first a Triumph, then a
Porsche 924, then a Porsche 944.
Pam had a Corvette at first, then a Black 911, then a Gold 911, then she
drove Bobby's Mercedes into the Gasoline tanker.
Rebecca Wentworth had a Black Cadillac Coupe de Ville
Clayton had a Rolls Royce or that big limo
Ray had that STUPID Jeep pickup
Donna had Lincolns of several types (Town Car, 4-door Continental), a Beige
Cadillac Seville, and a Blue Cadillac Coupe de Ville
Cliff had an old crappy T-bird, a BMW 6-series coupe, a Jaguar XJS, and in
JR Returs, a Saab 900 Convertible
Jack Ewing had a Lotus Esprit
If anybody can think of others, please post them...
Mike H.
J.R. Ewing wrote in message
<6606-36...@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
>Miss Ellie had a VW Cabrio (please....)
Cabriolet.
Cliff started out with an old crappy Olds Cutlass or Chevy Monte Carlo type
Tom
CEO of Peter's Speedos
Everyone who DOESN'T want another useless back-and-forth bickering match
w/Newman...say AYE....I'd just as soon it end here.....
Mike H.
Eric Newman wrote in message <3672b646...@news.carroll.com>...
Mike H.
TRPJR2 wrote in message <19981212145840...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
Mike H.
HUSBANDDAD wrote in message <19981212221427...@ng155.aol.com>...
>That no-good, half-breed loser Ray (I can raise Bobby's kid) Krebbs drove a
>Jeep pickup like the farm-hand he is. He'll never be a Ewing
>>That no-good, half-breed loser Ray (I can raise Bobby's kid) Krebbs drove a
>>Jeep pickup like the farm-hand he is. He'll never be a Ewing
Ray's not a half-breed.
>FYI---I DO know how to spell Cabriolet...however, as MizEllie's car was the
>first in a list of considerable length, I decided to take a few abbrevative
>liberties.
How was I supposed to know that?
>Everyone who DOESN'T want another useless back-and-forth bickering match
>w/Newman...say AYE....I'd just as soon it end here.....
If you wanted it to end, why did you start it?
Then, O exalted one, please enlighten us as to what a half-breed is, if not
the venerated Ray Krebbs?
>Then, O exalted one, please enlighten us as to what a half-breed is, if not
>the venerated Ray Krebbs?
I'm not exalted but I'll answer anyway, even though I'm kind of surprised you
don't know what it means.
Half-breed is a nasty, derogatory slur to describe a child whose parents who
are of two different races...say, black/white or white/Indian.
JR sneeringly used the term to describe his half-brother even though he was
using it inaccurately.
Next time you don't know what a word means, look it up in the dictionary. The
lesson will stay with you longer if you make the effort to find the answer
yourself.
>Cabriolet...however, as MizEllie's car was the
>first in a list of considerable length, I decided to take a few abbrevative
>liberties.
>
>Everyone who DOESN'T want another useless back-and-forth bickering match
>w/Newman...say AYE....I'd just as soon it end here.....
>
>Mike H.
>
End what? Your original post sure looked to me like you were asking for help
with the end of the word Cabriolet. And now you're jumping on Eric because he
gave it to you. So far, your 'bickering' is one-sided.
>
>Eric Newman wrote in message <367350bf....@news.carroll.com>...
>>HUSBANDDAD wrote in message
>><19981212221427...@ng155.aol.com>...
>>
>>>>That no-good, half-breed loser Ray (I can raise Bobby's kid) Krebbs drove
>a
>>>>Jeep pickup like the farm-hand he is. He'll never be a Ewing
>>
>>Ray's not a half-breed.
>
>
>Then, O exalted one, please enlighten us as to what a half-breed is, if not
>the venerated Ray Krebbs?
You don't need me to enlighten you -- I assume you own a dictionary.
To save you the trouble: According to the dictionary, a half-breed is
the offspring of parents of different races. I don't think that
applies to Ray. J.R. uses the term to mean "not a Ewing." As I've said
here before, Ray is as much a Ewing as J.R., Bobby, and Gary; the only
thing he's missing that they have is Southworth blood. J.R. never
mentions his Southworth heritage.
I have a 1980 300D and I'm about 5'11". I can't sit in it with my stetson on,
the roof is too low.
So unless Larry is far shorter than he looks, he must have had a different
style mercedes, maybe a 380 or something.
I also noticed someone might have said S class, well, maybe at the end, but
mercedes didn't make s class until like the mid nineties, before that
everything had a number like 300, 320, 380, etc.
Wayne
The newer model car was badged a 380 (or some other number) SEL, which MB
did classify as an S class model. Swellens coupe was a 380 or 560 SEC
(depending on the year) S-Class coupe.
You're right that in the mid-nineties they did switch the badging to
S420/S500/600--which is still in use today.
My boss is like a Mercedes maniac and spent about 45 minutes one day
explaining the difference... :-)
Mike H.
MrJREwing1 wrote in message <19981213030431...@ng114.aol.com>...
Mike H.
I respect a man who admits an error (albeit a small one) but overall I am
amazed at how well you were able to illustrate the many four wheel machines
used on this classsic series.
And I feel certain that Sean Haase feels the same way!
You're right, Ray will never be a Ewing, no Ewing would ever allow Southfork to
burn.
I sure liked it better when he asked permission before entering Southfork!!!
He is no Ewing, he never was and he sure as heck never will be,
and neither will Sean Haase!
Boy, this Newman guy is really getting on my nerves.
As Jerry Seinfeld would like to say to you...
GOODBYE NEWMAN!
Then, O exalted one, please enlighten us as to what a half-breed is, if not
the venerated Ray Krebbs?
WELL I HAVE TO SAY THAT NOW I KNOW WHAT SIDE OF THE FENCE OF THIS FEUD I'LL BE
ON,
Unlike Sam Culver, I won't turn my back on the right side
Newman, you are clearly the loser in this melodrama!
If you wanted it to end, why did you start it?
YOU GUYS ARE GREAT, THIS IS BETTER THAN THE LAST 5 SEASONS OF DALLAS PUT
TOGETHER,
YOU GO BOYS.
COOOOL, IT COULD BE THAT THERE IS A THIRD PARTY TO THIS BARNES, EWING,
KREBBS FEUD!!!!!
I LOVE IT.
KEEP IT UP.
SEAN HAASE AGREES.
Just who the hell do you think you are? I was speaking to the exalted Eric
Newman, who gave us this answer. Apparently you want some of his turf.
Thank you so much. I feel enlightened. Based on your exegesis, please tell
me how, by this definition, Ray is not a half-breed.
Ahmer Ali
CEO of seeking Eric Newman's infinite knowledge
He's not a peer to JR or Bobby, hence he is a half-breed.
He never mentions his SW heritage because being an Ewing means everything to
him. Now, once you are an Ewing, and are jealously vying to be a brother
of Jr's and Bobby's, to be "equal" you must have that never-spoken-of SW
blood.
HTH
OnTheWeb4U wrote in message
<19981213130936...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
BTW, who is Sean Haase?
Mike H.
OnTheWeb4U wrote in message
<19981213131126...@ng-fd2.aol.com>...
all the way to 1/2 bred (inacurately used) Ray.
Quite a stretch!
Remember tho, he may not be a half breed, but he was willing to inbreed (niece
Lucy)
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!
On 13 Dec 1998 07:17:36 GMT, cat...@aol.com (CatTess) wrote:
>>"Harry_...@mailexcite.com
>
>>Cabriolet...however, as MizEllie's car was the
>>first in a list of considerable length, I decided to take a few abbrevative
>>liberties.
>>
>>Everyone who DOESN'T want another useless back-and-forth bickering match
>>w/Newman...say AYE....I'd just as soon it end here.....
>>
>>Mike H.
On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:24:42 GMT, ed...@carroll.com (Eric Newman)
wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:49:04 -0500, "Ahmer Ali" <ca...@planeteer.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Eric Newman wrote in message <367350bf....@news.carroll.com>...
>>>HUSBANDDAD wrote in message
>>><19981212221427...@ng155.aol.com>...
>>>
>>>>>That no-good, half-breed loser Ray (I can raise Bobby's kid) Krebbs drove
>>a
>>>>>Jeep pickup like the farm-hand he is. He'll never be a Ewing
>>>
>>>Ray's not a half-breed.
>>
>>
>>Then, O exalted one, please enlighten us as to what a half-breed is, if not
>>the venerated Ray Krebbs?
>
On 13 Dec 1998 18:13:05 GMT, onthe...@aol.com (OnTheWeb4U) wrote:
> He'll never be a Ewing
>
Mercedes used the SEL designation for it's largest Sedans. Neither Bobby, nor
Sue Ellen ever drove a Mercedes Sedan. Bobby, when he was driving Mercedes,
always had the convertable, Sue Ellen had a 560 SEC when she had the Mercedes
Coupe and I think the Station Wagon Mercedes were called 300TC, but I could be
wrong. I never paid much attention to the wagons.
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Ray was a half-brother, not a half-breed. JR just used that as an insult.
A half breed has to do with one's race, not his parentage. Ray was JR's half
brother, not a true half-breed. As a matter of fact, Ray had as much Ewing
blood in him as JR did. Now, not acting like a Ewing that is a different
story all together.
How can Newman be the loser when he is actually correct. No matter what you
feel about the Character of Ray, he isn't and will never be a half-breed if
you are planning on using the term correctly. Seems as if you may be the
loser since you haven't got a proper understanding of the English language.
Excuse me, but Ray allowed Southfork to burn? Did you watch the episode. I
don't recall Ray sitting by watching the ranch burn. As a matter of fact I
recall him helping JR get the family out of the house. In reality, JR started
the fire by throwing what he did across the room and igniting the fire. You
keep mentioning this Sean person? Who is he?
I don't remember Eric saying he was going anywhere. Thankfully, however, we
got to say goodbye to Seinfeld as it was such an ignorant program.
Now I understand why you use AOL.
Actually Lucy's first car (the one that bobby had sitting in the driveway in
a box) was a Fiat X 1/9. That car was only showed on one or 2 episodes.
Then she had the Triumph TR-7. After that she progressed to the Porsche 924
and 944
> Pam had a Corvette at first, then a Black 911, then a Gold 911, then she
> drove Bobby's Mercedes into the Gasoline tanker.
>
> Rebecca Wentworth had a Black Cadillac Coupe de Ville
>
> Clayton had a Rolls Royce or that big limo
>
> Ray had that STUPID Jeep pickup
>
> Donna had Lincolns of several types (Town Car, 4-door Continental), a Beige
> Cadillac Seville, and a Blue Cadillac Coupe de Ville
>
> Cliff had an old crappy T-bird, a BMW 6-series coupe, a Jaguar XJS, and in
> JR Returs, a Saab 900 Convertible
>
> Jack Ewing had a Lotus Esprit
>
> If anybody can think of others, please post them...
>
> Mike H.
Don't forget Mandy drove a Chevy Camaro, probably a 83 or 84, remember it was
white.
>
> J.R. Ewing wrote in message
> <6606-36...@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> This may have been covered before. Does anyone know the Make & Models of
> the Ewing Cars. This may require some research.
> Ewing 1 (Jock) Silver Lincoln Continental
> Ewing 1 (Miss Ellie) White ????
> Ewing 1 (Christopher) ???
> Ewing 2 (Sue Ellen) Ford Station Wagon
> Ewing 2 (Sue Ellen) ?????
> Ewing 2 (Cally) ????
> Ewing 3 (J.R.) Mercedes ??
> Ewing 3 (J.R.) Mercedes Convertables ?
> Ewing 4 (Bobby) Red Mercedes Convertable ?
> Ewing 4 (Bobby) crappy SUV from War of....
> Ewing 5 (Lucy) Several diffrent vehicles
> Ewing 6 (Pam) Black Porche ???
> I may be leaving some out. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
>
>
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"Harry_...@mailexcite.com" <harry_...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
> FYI---I DO know how to spell Cabriolet...however, as MizEllie's car was the
> first in a list of considerable length, I decided to take a few abbrevative
> liberties.
>
> Everyone who DOESN'T want another useless back-and-forth bickering match
> w/Newman...say AYE....I'd just as soon it end here.....
>
> Mike H.
>
> Eric Newman wrote in message <3672b646...@news.carroll.com>...
> >On Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:44:45 -0600, "Harry_...@mailexcite.com"
> ><harry_...@mailexcite.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Miss Ellie had a VW Cabrio (please....)
> >
> >Cabriolet.
Where did you come up with that twisted logic. Ray may not be be the peer or
business equal of JR or Bobby, but how can you twist that into the statement
that he is a half-breed?
Who do YOU think YOU are? You posted a note on the NG, anyone can reply,
especially when you are making an ass out of yourself.
Ray was jealously vying to be a brother of JR and Bobby? I guess that part
must have been cut out of the TNN episodes....
Why should Eric repeat himself. He defined what a half-breed is. Unless you
can't read you should be able to see for yourself that you are using it in an
incorrect fashion.
On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:44:00 GMT, seth...@hotmail.com wrote:
>In article <751b73$pti$0...@dosa.alt.net>,
> "DAVID" <nic...@NOSPAMalt.net> wrote:
>>
>> Eric Newman wrote in message <367350bf....@news.carroll.com>...
>> >HUSBANDDAD wrote in message
>> ><19981212221427...@ng155.aol.com>...
>> >
>> >>>That no-good, half-breed loser Ray (I can raise Bobby's kid) Krebbs drove
>> a
>> >>>Jeep pickup like the farm-hand he is. He'll never be a Ewing
>> >
>> >Ray's not a half-breed.
>> >
>>
>> He's not a peer to JR or Bobby, hence he is a half-breed.
>>
>>
>
>Where did you come up with that twisted logic. Ray may not be be the peer or
>business equal of JR or Bobby, but how can you twist that into the statement
>that he is a half-breed?
>
Embasil? Isn't that what you put in spaghetti sauce?
In JR's mind, Ray is not and never will be equal for two reasons. One, he
has no Southworth blood, required to be an Ewing Bro. Two, he doesn't "act"
like an ewing (neither does gary).
Not to those of us who actually WATCH the episodes.
Ray's big foray into the development business after finding out Jock was his
Dad was nothing less than an attempt to prove himself an "Ewing". Building
the big house, offering to help run Ewing Oil after Bobby dies, going after
their women, and trying to constantly get involved in their business---yep,
he's vying. Definitely vying.
You just asked me to repeat what I've already said here. And I had no
problem with it.
And this is correct, because the origin of the whole "half breed" thing is
JR's twisted (but lovable) view of things.
No, actually, it's what you put on toothaches and canker sores.
Jenna always drove gold cars. The first Jenna drove a gold Firebird. The
third (and current) Jenna drove a Ford LTD, Lincoln Mark VII (???), and a
BMW--all gold in color.
Before the Jeep truck, Ray drove a junked out Chevy pickup, then later a
white Ford F150. In the later episodes, he drove a Suburban.
Carter McKay also drove the same Suburban. It must have been a package deal
when Ray sold him the house.
Dusty drove a Cadillac.... or did he drive the Rolls? I thought a police
officer once asked if the Rolls belonged to Steven Farlow. This led me to
believe that Clayton drove the Caddy. But he moved to Dallas in the Rolls.
I just remember that the Rolls and the Caddy were always parked side by side
in the Southern Cross driveway. Can someone clear this up?
In the Miniseries, JR drove a pine green Mercedes sedan. Only in the
regular series did he switch to silver.
Also, after Pam torched Bobby's red Mercedes, I recall he drove some generic
looking black convertible. (I think it was a Sterling). I remember him
driving it around to look for Christopher, who had just run away on his
bicycle. He didn't keep that car long before he got a Jaguar convertible.
In the last season or two, he drove a brown sugar-colored Mercedes
convertible.
Val
CEO of Completely Useless Information
Sean is his left hand. Haase is his right. Collectively, they are his lover, and
we are all privy to the contents of their pillowtalk.
> You
> keep mentioning this Sean person? Who is he?
>
Cool observation regarding Jenna's gold cars---I never noticed that!
Dusty sure dropped down a few notches....Rolls Royce to crappy beat up
Bronco... :)
I'm not sure about the pine-green (was it dark??) MB during the miniseries,
but JR's MB during most of the show was an ugly silver-green color....until
he got his Allante convertible.
I don't remember Bobby's non-Mercedes, "post-BBQ" cars. I know Michelle
Stevens drove a Sterling, but I didn't know that Sterling made a
convertible, or that Bobby drove a Jag--I'll have to watch for those. I
just assumed that after the bonfire, he got another red MB 560SL, until he
got the dark cherry one when MB redesigned the SL class...
Mike H.
Valerie Martin wrote in message <754lfs$h5j$1...@remarQ.com>...
Mike H.
Ryan Dziadosz wrote in message <756prj$hgm$1...@news-1.news.gte.net>...
>Jock had a 1978 Lincoln Mark V Diamond Jubilee edition.
>
>
>
Harry_...@mailexcite.com wrote in message ...
I would have to agree, but the car is still kick ass. It was a special
edition to celebrate Ford's 75th anniversary. It came in gold or silver
only and had actual diamonds in the side round windows.
I almost bought one a couple of months ago. It was gold, and not a crappy
gold, but a kick -ass gold-fleck old. It was a blast to drive looking over
that huge hood. Also it was decked out with a boomin' 8-track and secret
interior panels. The guy wanted too much for it in the end, but I did have
dreams pulling it up to Southfork and getting out yelling "I AM
TAKAPA!!!!!!"
Curses to the locked gate at the Southfork entrance that prevents people like
us from zooming down "Braddock Road" and turning into the long driveway and
flying up to the patio. I really wanted to do this when I visited.