Jock - Gone But Not Forgotten
MarkArbou
death. For pretty much the whole of one season he was in South America before
he went missing in a plane crash. The following season his will and his
family's affection for him dominates the plot. This continues until the very
end of the entire run through that painting which often plays a starring role
in the plot. In my earlier posting about Clayton I mentioned the scene when
Jamie and Ellie talk about old times and Clayton looks uncomfortable.
Throughout that scene the portrait is always in camera shot so you know that
although Ellie and Clayton are married, Jock in still important in the lives of
the Ewings. When JR loses Ewing Oil to Jeremy Wendell, JR takes the painting
off the wall and shows it to John Ross saying "this is Ewing Oil". The
character Jock never really died, he was kept alive until the end through that
painting and constant references to him in the storyline.
Justaman84
Ewing.
It was going to be true until the viewers complained.
The way the whole scene ended when he just upped and left one morning leaving a
note and explanation as to how he came to have Jock's things was more
unbelievable than Jock actually coming back
Andy
MarkArbou
turn out to be Jock. The producers really lost their guts after killing off
Bobby and then bringing his back. They should have taken the chance and
brought back Jock. It may have saved us from Carter Mackay and the Haleyville
storylines.
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Todd Justin Smith writes:
I was amused how Wes Parmalee came in during the dream scene but the roll
contued after the dream scene. Dallas was dead at this point. It became a
joke. I like the three years, with James and Cally et al.
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Tiff Buffet
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MarkArbou
They mystery regarding whether or not he was Jock was skillfully sustained and
althougth the story was a little fantastic, the quality of the writing and
acting made it believeable. Even when Parmalee left there was still a little
mystery surrounding what he told Ellie and whether or lied to her about not
being Jock to spare her any further anguish.
LMG
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Marc,
I think the way the storyline ended made the storyline worse! It was bad
idea, and frankly no one cared about Miss Ellie and Jock's younger years.
It was a bore!
Todd Justin Smith or
Tiff Buffet
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Steve
Stivers) should have turned out to be the real Jock. This is why the actor
left, as he was hired to be the return of Jock, then finding the role would
be much smaller (which is why his departure was so abrupt). Then, in having
to back pedal and make him not Jock, the explanation was silly.
Once Bobby came back, the show lost credibility and VP finally left after
having to take a back seat to the male characters again. And from
there...James, lol...the horror. (He should play Shaggy in the new Scooby
doo movie the way he flailed around)
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Steve
> Todd Justin Smith writes:
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> I was amused how Wes Parmalee came in during the dream scene but the roll
> contued after the dream scene. Dallas was dead at this point. It became
a
> joke. I like the three years, with James and Cally et al.
Yes, amazing Pam was able to dream the coming of Jock, lol. Too bad Pam's
bad driving made us lose such a vital character to the show, haha. I think
it would have been great to see Bobby stay dead and have Pam vs. JR in
running EO (which is what they intended in the first place so it really
would have revitalized the show---but of course, they got scared with
Dynasty being a hit and went in a "dreamy" direction, haha.
Steve
when they doubted him like the real Jock would do, haha. The thing I didn't
like was them making Jock a saint in memories in later years. What made him
interesting that he was an anti-hero, a real guy with real flaws. They
later had him saving Jews (in that "Ellie She Wrote" murder mystery her and
Clayton went on in those dreadful later years.)
Justaman84
he have got hold of Jock's things and known things about Miss Ellie etc that
only Jock could have known about.
He was Jock and they should have seen it through and have him kick Clayton's
butt from Southfork
Mike
in the jungle. What was never explained, however, was when he was subjected
to a physical, including xrays, & the doctor confirmed that if he wasn't
Jock, he had all the same scars, broken bones, etc.
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Stephen Powers
last minute, because of viewers' protests) not to make Wes be Jock.
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MarkArbou
Jock would have changed the dynamics of the show, breathing new life into it
which may have save it. Following that season the series went rapidly down
hill.
Steph
themselves into a corner by not recasting Jock and later, Pam.
Justaman84
all that from his ramblings in the jungle. the producers shit out big time
because of public pressure. He was meant to be Jock, but they changed the
script at the last moment.
Justaman84
wouldn't have been popular because of Jim Davis' popularity, but the character
of Jock was pivital to the show and I always felt it wasn't quite the same
after Jock was killed.
Drhall4171
>From: justa...@aol.com (Justaman84)
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Jock and Lorimar Productions knew that.
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Justaman84
Ted Shackleford became Gary Ewing.
The series needed Jock. The character should have been replaced when Jim Davis
died.