Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Best looking female on "Dallas"

77 views
Skip to first unread message

Kenneth Ward

unread,
Dec 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/2/97
to

THX70MMDTS wrote:
>
> In article <19971203003...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mongo...@aol.com
> (Mongoose92) writes:
>
> > The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's
> >secretary
> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I
> >used to
> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't
> >remember her real
> name) is doing today?
>
> I agree that Sly is among DALLAS' loveliest ladies. I did see her doing a
> salad dressing commercial some time back, but don't remember what brand or how
> long ago this was airing.
>
> Tony


I have seen her on commercials for Blockbuster Videos and hot steamin'
Grapenuts.

*Mindy

Mongoose92

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

THX70MMDTS

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

In article <19971203003...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mongo...@aol.com
(Mongoose92) writes:

I agree that Sly is among DALLAS' loveliest ladies. I did see her doing a

Bryce Wray

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

In article <19971203003...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mongo...@aol.com (Mongoose92) wrote:
> The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used to
> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember her
> real
> name) is doing today?

Character's name was Sylvia "Sly" Lovegren; her real name is Deborah
Rennard (all per Eric Newman's "Dallas" FAQ).

______________________________________________________________________
Bryce Wray * bw...@gte.net * webm...@muratec.com
Muratec * 6400 International Parkway, Suite 1500 * Plano, TX. 75093
http://www.muratec.com * (972) 364-3481 phone / (972) 364-3499 fax
Any opinions expressed herein are mine, not Muratec's.

Bob Duncan

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

Mongoose92 wrote:
> The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used
to
> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember
her real
> name) is doing today?
Sly (Deborah Rennard) was certainly a character who had a bit of honor.
She was utterly loyal to J.R. and never seemed to have another agenda,
like most of the other women. Of course, her character was never explored
to
the extent that it should have been. As I recall, she never ended up in
bed
with J.R. I guess the Ewings had an unwritten rule about sleeping with the
help. I would have liked to have seen her in a bathing suit. She was
always
dressed down.

I thought it was really cold the way Casey Denault dismissed her a few
weeks ago, saying that she would never be more that just a secretary.

Bob Duncan

"The devil made me do it the first time,
the second time, I done it on my own."
--- Billy Joe Shaver

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

On Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:04:44 -0600, "Bob Duncan" <bdu...@HiWAAY.net>
wrote:

>Mongoose92 wrote:
>> The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
>> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used
>to
>> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember
>her real
>> name) is doing today?
>Sly (Deborah Rennard) was certainly a character who had a bit of honor.
>She was utterly loyal to J.R. and never seemed to have another agenda,
>like most of the other women. Of course, her character was never explored
>to
>the extent that it should have been. As I recall, she never ended up in
>bed
>with J.R. I guess the Ewings had an unwritten rule about sleeping with the
>help. I would have liked to have seen her in a bathing suit. She was
>always
>dressed down.

Sly appeared in a bathing suit at least once. One of my favorite Sly
scenes was the time she was lounging around her building's pool in a
bikini when Cliff Barnes approached and said he could use his supposed
influence with the D.A.'s office to get a better parole deal for Sly's
never-seen brother. Sly, no dummy, realized that Cliff wanted
something in return and said with a sigh, "Okay, let's go up to my
apartment and get it over with." Cliff, surprised, said that he didn't
want to *sleep* with her -- he wanted her to spy on J.R. for him.
Indignant, Sly replied, "I won't do *that*!"

SPOILER BELOW

Sly did sleep with J.R. -- once. It has not happened yet on the
current TNN airings.

Matt Pasant

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

In my advertising clas I saw her in a commercial for AT&T. She was in a
workout suit and the new guy wanted to speak to the boss Sam. Well turns
out she was Sam.

-- Matt

Kenneth Ward wrote in message <662pun$n...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...


>THX70MMDTS wrote:
>>
>> In article <19971203003...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
mongo...@aol.com

>> (Mongoose92) writes:
>>
>> > The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's
>> >secretary
>> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I
>> >used to
>> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't
>> >remember her real
>> name) is doing today?
>>

>> I agree that Sly is among DALLAS' loveliest ladies. I did see her doing
a
>> salad dressing commercial some time back, but don't remember what brand
or how
>> long ago this was airing.
>>
>> Tony
>
>

JR Dew

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

Anyone catch Sly on Tuesday night's episode of "Michael Hayes"? As
beautiful as ever...

JR Dew
Norman, OK


Michael J. Browne wrote:
>
> While Sly may have been one of the best looking ladies in "Dallas", I
> believe, Kendall beats them all of the secretaries/receptionists.
> Phyllis is not bad looking herself. But Raul would definitely say the
> best looking female in this series is Teresa!!!
> ===
>
> In
> <F5C14479E56929ED.C08B8EB6...@library-proxy.airne

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 3, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/3/97
to

JR Ewing91 wrote:

> The best looking female on Dallas in my opinion was Laurel Ellis,
> Claytons good friend from England. Cathy Podewell and Victoria
> Principal are real cute too. And last but not least Mandy Winger

Holly Harwood and her silver bikini win the contest. No competition,
in fact.

- Chris J. Delanoy

--
Celebrate 10 years of Reform @
http://www.ualberta.ca/~cdelanoy/

Michael J. Browne

unread,
Dec 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/4/97
to

JR Ewing91

unread,
Dec 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/4/97
to

McRat

unread,
Dec 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/4/97
to

Mongoose92 wrote:
>
> The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used to
> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember her real
> name) is doing today?


I too have always fancied Sly as being very attractive. But April? Gag!

Anyway, Deborah Rennard appears now and then on "Due South" as a medical
examiner/pathologist or something.

dall...@hotmail.com

unread,
Dec 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/4/97
to

On Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:22:47 -0500, Cyber...@webtv.net (David
Jensen) wrote:

>The Stevens sisters come from a mammory impaired gene pool. Granted
>little ones stand the test of time better but they aren't attention
>getters like Lucy and Calli possess . My vote is still Calli for the
>prettiest Dallas girl.


I cast my vote for the all time best looking Dallas girl of her time,
Pamela Ewing. (Pre-Carwreck)

Afton ain't bad either, in her earlier days.

Cally is good looking but not perfect in every sense. I don't know
maybe my aesthetics are different then the casting directors at
Dallas. Speaking strictly on a surface level, there was never a
combination of nice rear and large upper portion.

Ah well, they did have Victoria Principal (drool)

Zartan

unread,
Dec 4, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/4/97
to

Bob Duncan wrote:
>
> Mongoose92 wrote:
> > The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
> > for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used
> to
> > think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember
> her real
> > name) is doing today?
> Sly (Deborah Rennard) was certainly a character who had a bit of honor.
> She was utterly loyal to J.R. and never seemed to have another agenda,
> like most of the other women. Of course, her character was never explored
> to
> the extent that it should have been. As I recall, she never ended up in
> bed
> with J.R. I guess the Ewings had an unwritten rule about sleeping with the
> help. I would have liked to have seen her in a bathing suit. She was
> always
> dressed down.

Actually, when she was spying for Cliff (so he'd get her brother out of
jail) we saw her in a bathing suit quite a bit. They always had poolside
meetings.

--Zartan

Mark Johnson

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

Mandy Windger is the women that most men who watch Dallas would vote
for most desireable to get in bed.

However April the the Best Looking by far,.

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

On Fri, 05 Dec 1997 03:39:33 GMT, mark_j...@maceast.com (Mark
Johnson) wrote:

>Mandy Windger is the women that most men who watch Dallas would vote
>for most desireable to get in bed.

How do you know? Did you take a survey?

Marc Rodway

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

Best looking female was NO DOUBT Kristin Sheppard


David Jensen

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

RutgdudeNJ

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

Sue Ellen is the best looking woman on DALLAS!

Joerg Fenin

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

Marc Rodway wrote:
>
> Best looking female was NO DOUBT Kristin Sheppard

I doubt that.

It was Shalane McCall (Charlie Wade).

See my Shalane McCall Appreciation Page at
http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin

--
So long, mailto:joerg...@hamburg.netsurf.de //
Joerg http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin //
PGP 2.6.3i key available! //

Mlap

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to Joerg Fenin

Edgar Randolph's wife was pretty hot......

Myron Q. Bumscratcher III

Mlap

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to Joerg Fenin

Joerg Fenin wrote:
>
> Marc Rodway wrote:
> >
> > Best looking female was NO DOUBT Kristin Sheppard
>
> I doubt that.
>
> It was Shalane McCall (Charlie Wade).
>
> See my Shalane McCall Appreciation Page at
> http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin
>
> --
> So long, mailto:joerg...@hamburg.netsurf.de //
> Joerg http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin //
> PGP 2.6.3i key available! //

Mavis Anderson is a babe....

A menage a' trois with her and Miss Smellie would be sensory
overload....

Myron Q. Bumscratcher III

Eric Nyman

unread,
Dec 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/5/97
to

Mlap wrote:
>
> Joerg Fenin wrote:
> >
> > Marc Rodway wrote:
> > >
> > > Best looking female was NO DOUBT Kristin Sheppard
> >
> > I doubt that.
> >
> > It was Shalane McCall (Charlie Wade).
> >
> > See my Shalane McCall Appreciation Page at
> > http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin
> >
> > --
> > So long, mailto:joerg...@hamburg.netsurf.de //
> > Joerg http://www.geocities.com/~jfenin //
> > PGP 2.6.3i key available! //
>
> Edgar Randolph's wife was pretty hot......
>
> Myron Q. Bumscratcher III
Who was Edgar Randolph's wife? Perhaps this is another one of your
famous jokes....

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/6/97
to

On Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:23:30 -0500, Eric Nyman <eny...@umich.edu>
wrote:

Maybe it was a joke, but for the record, Martha Randolph was played by
Joanna Miles. I'm sure Miss Miles has many credits, but I chiefly
remember her as the wife of Sarek on "Star Trek: The Next Generation."

Christina

unread,
Dec 6, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/6/97
to

Yet another proponent of the theory that beauty increases with breast size.
That`s always seemed highly logical to me.

In article <669gpn$nps$1...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>, Cyber...@webtv.net
says...

EHaase2463

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

Linda Gray is the best looking female on Dallas, especially from 1979 through
1982 (before she cut her hair). She was just too thin in her last season,
perhaps from the stress of her sister's bout with cancer.

Brad in Mi

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

Catherine Wentworth is my choice. Those eyes are incredible.

Eric Nyman

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

> Sly (Deborah Rennard) was certainly a character who had a bit of honor.
> She was utterly loyal to J.R. and never seemed to have another agenda,
> like most of the other women. Of course, her character was never explored
> to
> the extent that it should have been. As I recall, she never ended up in
> bed
> with J.R. I guess the Ewings had an unwritten rule about sleeping with the
> help. I would have liked to have seen her in a bathing suit. She was
> always
> dressed down.
>
> I thought it was really cold the way Casey Denault dismissed her a few
> weeks ago, saying that she would never be more that just a secretary.
>
> Bob Duncan
>
> "The devil made me do it the first time,
> the second time, I done it on my own."
> --- Billy Joe Shaver
I think that Sue Ellen was attractive, more for her personal qualities,
but she was physically attractive as well, especially for a woman of her
age. I actually liked Jenna. (I know most of you didn't think much of
her) I'm not quite sure why, but there was just something about her. I
kind of felt sorry for her when she got screwed over by Bobby. She was
definitely better and more attractive when she first came on the show,
though. I really liked her character. Lucy was attractive, but she
really is the stereotypical "dumb blonde". Pam was pretty good looking,
but there was something about her character that I didn't like. I always
thought that Bobby and Jenna, who were high school sweethearts, would
have been a better couple. (but of course, the conflict between Pam and
J.R. was one of the best parts of the series.) Donna was Ok, not great,
I found her annoying. April is attractive and has really changed alot
for the better since coming on to the show. She and Bobby make a good
couple. I don't like Michelle's character much, at least not so far,
though she is attractive. Sly seemed like a good, down-to-earth woman,
and very loyal to J.R. She would probably be an excellent character if
she had been better developed. Cally is nice and good-looking, but not
at all educated, and her accent is really beginning to grind on me.

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

SPOILER

Sly does sleep with JR towards the end of the series.

As for the ladies of DALLAS. Sue Ellen always looked pretty good for her age.
Afton, Pam, and Cally all looked good through the series. Katherine Wentworth
too. Sometimes April looks great and other times she doesn't look as good, its
kind of weird. Her sister looks good but her hairstyle bugs me. Jenna looked
good early on, so did Donna, but they got worse.

-Marc

goc...@apex.net

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

Catherine did have magnificent eyes. But, there were better looking women.
I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.

Will

-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

jjam...@iglou.com

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

In article <19971207204...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,


April is cute, but sometimes her nose looks so red, it looks like she has
a cold. She isn't at cute as Michelle, but she is much nicer. Juanita

goc...@apex.net

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

>>I think that Sue Ellen was attractive, more for her personal qualities,
but she was physically attractive as well, especially for a woman of her
age. I actually liked Jenna.<<

What attractive personal qualities? She was just as immoral as JR. But,
somehow we're supposed to feel sorry for her because it's not her fault.
Sue Ellen was a disloyal slut.

Will

Will Aubrey

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

>>The Stevens sisters come from a mammory impaired gene pool. Granted
>>little ones stand the test of time better but they aren't attention
>>getters like Lucy and Calli possess . My vote is still Calli for the
>>prettiest Dallas girl.


Agreed.

>Cally is good looking but not perfect in every sense.

Cally is too much like a little girl. Who was the redhead that was JR's
first secretary? She was HOT.

Will

anurup mathur

unread,
Dec 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/7/97
to

I'm still a big Victoria Principal (sp!) fan.. Then perhaps April. April was
hot, when she first joined the show... Sly's kinda big girl, especially in that
episode where she and J.R. purchased the farm which Cliff needed to attach his gas
line to.

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

On Sun, 07 Dec 1997 23:11:47 -0600, goc...@apex.net wrote:

>
>>>I think that Sue Ellen was attractive, more for her personal qualities,
>but she was physically attractive as well, especially for a woman of her
>age. I actually liked Jenna.<<
>
>What attractive personal qualities? She was just as immoral as JR. But,
>somehow we're supposed to feel sorry for her because it's not her fault.
>Sue Ellen was a disloyal slut.

*No one* was as immoral (or, more precisely, amoral) as J.R. And
Swellen was neither disloyal nor a slut.

Kenneth Ward

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to


That was Tina Louise, who played "Ginger" on Gilligan's Island. I
thought most guys liked "Maryanne" better.

*Mindy

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

Eric Newman wrote:

> *No one* was as immoral (or, more precisely, amoral) as J.R.

Granted.

> And Swellen was neither disloyal nor a slut.

But with this one, I think the only explanation is that you've
slept through a decade of Sue Ellen scenes. She was both of these
things, _especially_ the former.

- Chris J. Delanoy

--
Celebrate 10 years of Reform @
http://www.ualberta.ca/~cdelanoy/

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

On Mon, 08 Dec 1997 11:45:10 -0800, Chris J Delanoy
<cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

>Eric Newman wrote:
>
>> *No one* was as immoral (or, more precisely, amoral) as J.R.
>
>Granted.
>
>> And Swellen was neither disloyal nor a slut.
>
>But with this one, I think the only explanation is that you've
>slept through a decade of Sue Ellen scenes. She was both of these
>things, _especially_ the former.

I continue to disagree. I suppose it depends on your definition of
"disloyal" and "slut."

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

Julie Grey

> But, there were better looking women.
>I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
>I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.
>
>Will
>
>

-Marc

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

Eric Newman wrote:

> >But with this one, I think the only explanation is that you've
> >slept through a decade of Sue Ellen scenes. She was both of these
> >things, _especially_ the former.

> I continue to disagree. I suppose it depends on your definition of
> "disloyal" and "slut."

How about sleeping with the first guy who buys you a bottle of
vodka?

EHaase2463

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

>>Sue Ellen was a disloyal slut.

When JR was faithful to Sue Ellen, she was faithful and passionately in love
with him. One reason why I am one of the few who like the Dream Season is that
she became a noble person during that season.

Bod112285

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

>April is cute, but sometimes her nose looks so red, it looks like she has
>a cold. She isn't at cute as Michelle, but she is much nicer. Juanita
>
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Are you a lesbian?

Chris M.L. DeHart
jre...@theoffice.NET
DALLAS is Edumucationumuble!!!

Visit my web site at http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Boulevard/2604

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

But that was just a dream. Meaning that, back in reality, Sue Ellen
was still the same vindictive and drunken slut she always was.

J.R. said so.

McRat

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

goc...@apex.net wrote:
>
> Catherine did have magnificent eyes. But, there were better looking women.

> I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
> I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.
>
> Will
>
> -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

That secretary was played by Tina Louise ("Ginger" to hundreds of
Gilligan's Island fans.)

will...@barbourville.com

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

In article <19971208200...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
hanni...@aol.com (Hannibal92) wrote:
>
> Julie Grey

>
> > But, there were better looking women.
> >I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
> >I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.
> >
> >Will
> >
> >
>
> -Marc
that be Louella who also doubled as a bed partner

Will Aubrey

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

>>>>I think that Sue Ellen was attractive, more for her personal qualities,
>but she was physically attractive as well, especially for a woman of her
>age. I actually liked Jenna.<<>
>What attractive personal qualities? She was just as immoral as JR. But,
>somehow we're supposed to feel sorry for her because it's not her fault.
>Sue Ellen was a disloyal slut.

>>*No one* was as immoral (or, more precisely, amoral) as J.R. And


Swellen was neither disloyal nor a slut.<<

She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes her a
slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her disloyal.

Will

Will Aubrey

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

> Cally is too much like a little girl. Who was the redhead that was JR's
> first secretary? She was HOT.> > Will

>>That was Tina Louise, who played "Ginger" on Gilligan's Island. I
thought most guys liked "Maryanne" better.*Mindy<<

I liked Maryanne better on Gilligan's Island. Somehow, Tina Louise looked
much better on Dallas than on Gilligan. Maybe she was too made up and phony
looking on Gilligan.

Will


Will Aubrey

unread,
Dec 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/8/97
to

goc...@apex.net wrote:>
> Catherine did have magnificent eyes. But, there were better looking women.

> I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
> I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.> > Will>

>>That secretary was played by Tina Louise ("Ginger" to hundreds of
Gilligan's Island fans.)<<

Anita Smithfield, played by Tracy Scoggins in JR Returns is awesome too.
Great body and great eyes.

Will

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

On 8 Dec 1997 23:53:21 GMT, bod1...@aol.com (Bod112285) wrote:

>>April is cute, but sometimes her nose looks so red, it looks like she has
>>a cold. She isn't at cute as Michelle, but she is much nicer. Juanita

>Are you a lesbian?

Hmm. Are you under the impression that a person who comments favorably
on the looks of a person of the same sex is homosexual?

CatTess

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

>And
>Swellen was neither disloyal nor a slut.

Slut. Big time slutress.

Michael Crawford

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

m.com> Distribution:

I would have to vote for Sly, with April running second.

Michael J. Browne (mjbr...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: While Sly may have been one of the best looking ladies in "Dallas", I
: believe, Kendall beats them all of the secretaries/receptionists.
: Phyllis is not bad looking herself. But Raul would definitely say the
: best looking female in this series is Teresa!!!
: ===


: In
: <F5C14479E56929ED.C08B8EB6...@library-proxy.airne
: s.net> "Matt Pasant" <pasa...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
: >
: >In my advertising clas I saw her in a commercial for AT&T. She was in
: a
: >workout suit and the new guy wanted to speak to the boss Sam. Well
: turns
: >out she was Sam.
: >
: >-- Matt
: >
: >Kenneth Ward wrote in message
: <662pun$n...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
: >>THX70MMDTS wrote:
: >>>
: >>> In article <19971203003...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
: >mongo...@aol.com
: >>> (Mongoose92) writes:
: >>>
: >>> > The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's


: >>> >secretary
: >>> for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I
: >>> >used to
: >>> think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't
: >>> >remember her real
: >>> name) is doing today?

: >>>
: >>> I agree that Sly is among DALLAS' loveliest ladies. I did see her
: doing
: >a
: >>> salad dressing commercial some time back, but don't remember what
: brand
: >or how
: >>> long ago this was airing.
: >>>
: >>> Tony
: >>
: >>
: >>I have seen her on commercials for Blockbuster Videos and hot
: steamin'
: >>Grapenuts.
: >>
: >>*Mindy
: >
: >


--
----------------
Oh, would you look at the time...

Michael A. "Murder is my favourite crime" Crawford
craw...@email.unc.edu
"The farther one travels, the less one knows."

Ronald Jacobson

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to alt.tv.dallas

will...@barbourville.com wrote:
>In article <19971208200...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> hanni...@aol.com (Hannibal92) wrote:
>>
>> Julie Grey
>>
>> > But, there were better looking women.
>> >I vaguely remember that JR had a secretary before Sly. A gorgeous redhead.
>> >I can't recall her name, but she'd be my favorite.
>> >
>> >Will
>> >
>> >
>>
>> -Marc
>that be Louella who also doubled as a bed partner
>
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
I think that Louella was better looking that Sly


EHaase2463

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

>But that was just a dream. Meaning that, back in reality, Sue Ellen
>was still the same vindictive and drunken slut she always was.

I don't think that it was meant to be a dream at the time those episodes were
written. Sue Ellen was certainly not a vindictive and drunken slut during the
times she and JR reconciled. It would have been more noble for her not to to
have reacted to his unfaithfulness the way she did, but her reactions was
understandable.

S John M

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

In these excerpts from <Re: Best looking female on "Dallas" - Holly>.
"Will Aubrey" <@apex.net> wrote:

> Anita Smithfield, played by Tracy Scoggins in JR Returns is awesome too.
> Great body and great eyes.
>
> Will


Yeah-- great eyes that look like they're held into here head
with a set of Acme Anvils®, Inc. catapult springs. I swear, if death
rays shot from 'em, I wouldn't be surprised. That girls peepers just
ain't right.

S. John


We cannot stop Donna's Nipples-- We can only hope to contain them.
<alt.fan.donnas-nipples>, Part of our channel-2000 heritage.
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/1299/
Worship with us.

David Jensen

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

I think SLY's hair, what there is of it, looks bad on her.

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

Louella was after Julie Grey. She slept with JR after the shooting and was
supplying him with info. about Bobby's dealings.

-Marc

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

Eric Newman wrote:

> > She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes
> > her a slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her
> > disloyal.

> If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
> a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.?

Haven't you heard the old adage that a woman who sleeps around is a
slut, but a man who does it is a stud?

Seriously though, there would never have been any need for JR to
"go elsewhere" if Sue Ellen weren't a disloyal drunk in the first
place.

Sue Ellen never appreciated the fact that, without JR, she never would
have amounted to anything. She'd have been a washed-out pageant vixen,
drunk and penniless in the gutter.

> Adding a teenage boy to the mix does not automatically move
> someone into the "slut" category -- even if Peter Richards was a
> teenage boy when they slept together, which he probably was not.

When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference between
having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.

> I don't think that Swellen's sleeping with Cliff makes her disloyal.

You're forgetting about Dusty. And possibly Clayton, the man her
son calls "grandpa". Not to mention JR's brother Ray. Even if he
was a halfbreed, that's still mighty disloyal.

And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!

will...@barbourville.com

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

In article <66juve$odb$1...@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>,

Cyber...@webtv.net (David Jensen) wrote:
>
> I think SLY's hair, what there is of it, looks bad on her.

i couldn't agree with you more. i liked it a lot better when it was long.

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 9, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/9/97
to

Sly wrote:

> Worried about our future and the future of your children,
> Sly

This coming from a sadsack who has to neurotically take on the
persona of one of the Dallas characters? Give me a break.

- Chris J. Delanoy

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

KIND OF A SPOILER:

>She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes her a
>slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her disloyal.

DALLAS characters have too many loves of their life. Sue Ellen loved JR, no
matter what she said. She also claimed to love Cliff. She loved Dusty, who I
think was her only true love other then JR. She also loved Nicholas Pierce,
and she also loved Don Lockwood, although I think that was more of a "I need
somebody" kind of love.

Bobby too. He loved Pam, Jenna, April, Kay Lloyd, he kind of loved Tracey,
Julia Cummingham, and now he will have a new love in the new movie.

Too many people also fall in love with Bobby. April, Jenna, Pam, Katherine
Wentworth, Holly Harwood, Connie (His first secretary), Kay Lloyd and so on and
so forth.

Atleast JR doesn't claim to love all his women.

-Marc
DALLAS
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5944/

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

>She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes her a
>slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her disloyal.

If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.? The list of people
whom Swellen slept with is far smaller than the list of people he
slept with. And including the passage about "a teenage boy" makes the
argument specious. Adding a teenage boy to the mix does not


automatically move someone into the "slut" category -- even if Peter
Richards was a teenage boy when they slept together, which he probably
was not.

I don't think that Swellen's sleeping with Cliff makes her disloyal.
She took lovers only when J.R. was abusive, and he blamed her for her
infidelities, whereas he tried to justify his own by saying "that was
just business." As Bobby pointed out in the elevator episode, that's a
load of self-justifying crap.

Sly

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Greetings Male Pigs! I have had enough of you sick jerk-offs praising JR
and calling Sue Ellen a slut. Anyone who feels this way has a MAJOR
problem getting it up with out porn or is some kind of abused child. Now
look, stop this crap and open your eyes...then again thats probly asking
way too much of anyone who thinks Sue Ellen is a slut anyway.

Chris J Delanoy wrote:


>
> Eric Newman wrote:
>
> > > She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes
> > > her a slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her
> > > disloyal.
>
> > If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
> > a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.?
>

> Haven't you heard the old adage that a woman who sleeps around is a
> slut, but a man who does it is a stud?

Well yes I have and I have found that the ppl who utter such crap are
intimidated by women and therfor feel they must have them sexualy
inorder to make up their own feelings of inatiquacy. These men are
almost always the same men who fantasize about rape and little children
aswell as porn freaks.

> Seriously though, there would never have been any need for JR to
> "go elsewhere" if Sue Ellen weren't a disloyal drunk in the first
> place.
>
> Sue Ellen never appreciated the fact that, without JR, she never would
> have amounted to anything. She'd have been a washed-out pageant vixen,
> drunk and penniless in the gutter.

You must be completly sick! Even Larry Hagman will admit that JR and his
sexual life style was that of a sick man. It is fun to watch these lives
evolve only because it is fiction. Men that behave like Jr only get sick
and die alone at heart even with a bimbo by there side. Jr was fucking
around on Sue Ellen way before she drank or even thought of being with
another man. REMEMBER Cliff was the FIRST affair she had. But I bet you
anything JR was sleeping around even in the pilot.


> > Adding a teenage boy to the mix does not automatically move
> > someone into the "slut" category -- even if Peter Richards was a
> > teenage boy when they slept together, which he probably was not.

You are correct Eric! Peter was 19.

> When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference between
> having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.

BULLSHIT! Ok using your math lets see... 40 yearold Sue Ellen and 19
yearold Peter VS. 45+ JR and 22-24yearold Cally....hmmmm you must be an
ass if Jr and Cally are ok but Sue Ellen and Peter are not. Did your
significant other leave you for a younger man? Did your Mom leave your
Dad or how about someone else in your family?

> > I don't think that Swellen's sleeping with Cliff makes her disloyal.
>

> You're forgetting about Dusty. And possibly Clayton, the man her
> son calls "grandpa". Not to mention JR's brother Ray. Even if he
> was a halfbreed, that's still mighty disloyal.

Ok, so you don't know shit about the show...Sue Ellen NEVER slept with
Clayton he was a father to her you half witt! And I don't remember if
she slept with Ray but even so, was he screwing Holly at the time?

> And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
> street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
> lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!

Again you knopw nothing! She did not have sex with him he stole her ring
and left.


> - Chris J. Delanoy
>
> --
> Celebrate 10 years of Reform @
> http://www.ualberta.ca/~cdelanoy/

Disloyal?? Jr is an absolute asshole who put his wife in a crazy house
to make a deal. Only wanted her when he could not have her and went to
bed with 2 people infront of her face WHILE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
RECONCILED!
Now I really have to wonder who is worse JR or someone who idols him?
Atleast Greg Sumner never hurt anyone out of malice that he loved!

DO US ALL A FAVOR AND LABEL YOUR POSTS AS SICKO PERVERT OPINIONS IN THE
FUTURE SO US DECENT MINDED PEOPLE CAN IGNORE THEM.

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:54:16 -0800, Chris J Delanoy
<cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

>Eric Newman wrote:
>
>> > She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes
>> > her a slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her
>> > disloyal.
>
>> If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
>> a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.?
>
>Haven't you heard the old adage that a woman who sleeps around is a
>slut, but a man who does it is a stud?

Yes, I've heard the adage. What about it? Just because it's an adage
doesn't make it valid.

>Seriously though, there would never have been any need for JR to
>"go elsewhere" if Sue Ellen weren't a disloyal drunk in the first
>place.

That's not borne out by the facts.

>Sue Ellen never appreciated the fact that, without JR, she never would
>have amounted to anything. She'd have been a washed-out pageant vixen,
>drunk and penniless in the gutter.

Also not borne out by the facts.

>> Adding a teenage boy to the mix does not automatically move
>> someone into the "slut" category -- even if Peter Richards was a
>> teenage boy when they slept together, which he probably was not.
>

>When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference between
>having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.

You haven't invalidated my point. The fact that an individual slept
with a much-younger individual does not automatically brand the older
person a slut.

>> I don't think that Swellen's sleeping with Cliff makes her disloyal.
>
>You're forgetting about Dusty. And possibly Clayton, the man her
>son calls "grandpa". Not to mention JR's brother Ray. Even if he
>was a halfbreed, that's still mighty disloyal.

I'm not forgetting about Dusty. Her sleeping with Dusty doesn't
constitute disloyalty either. As for Clayton -- for the umpteenth
time, Swellen did not sleep with him. And even if she had, that was
years before he became John Ross's stepgrandfather. Sleeping with Ray
also does not constitute disloyalty.

>And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
>street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
>lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!

In the first place, that happened only in Pam's dream. In the second
place, perhaps you are not aware that alcoholism is a disease, and
Swellen was suffering from it at the time. Nothing in Swellen's
character indicates that she would sleep with a stranger under
"normal" circumstances.

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Eric Newman wrote:

> > When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference
> > between having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.

> You haven't invalidated my point. The fact that an individual slept
> with a much-younger individual does not automatically brand the older
> person a slut.

What makes this particular case so damning for Sue Ellen is the fact
that she slept with somebody who had become a big-brother figure to
her son. Toward the end, she was using her own sun as an excuse to
see her boytoy. How low.

> >And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
> >street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
> >lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!

> In the first place, that happened only in Pam's dream.

I for one think it's very telling that Pam's opinion of Sue Ellen was
low enough for her to dream that Sue Ellen would end up living in a
gutter and sleeping with any bum who gives her booze.

Pam was an honest person, would you not agree? I therefore put more
stock in her opinion of Sue Ellen as a boozer than I do in attempts
to show otherwise.

> Nothing in Swellen's character indicates that she would sleep with a
> stranger under "normal" circumstances.

For Sue Ellen, these _are_ normal circumstances.

Marilee Stone

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to


Chris J Delanoy <cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote in article
<348E3E...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>...


> Sly wrote:
>
> > Worried about our future and the future of your children,
> > Sly
>

> This coming from a sadsack who has to neurotically take on the
> persona of one of the Dallas characters? Give me a break.
>
> - Chris J. Delanoy
>

This is the best comeback you could think of, attacking someone's nick?
Well I guess I must be next!

Some of us, Mr. Del ANNOY, prefer to use pseudonyms for the sake of
security; I don't think the Sly who posts here is under any illusion that
she is J.R. Ewing's secretary.


Christina

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

>
>(1) On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:54:16 -0800, Chris J Delanoy


><cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:
>
Haven't you heard the old adage that a woman who sleeps around is a
>>slut, but a man who does it is a stud?

>(2) Eric Newman wrote:
>
>Yes, I've heard the adage. What about it? Just because it's an adage
>doesn't make it valid.
>

Too bad that this needs to be said, and said repeatedly!


Christina

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

In article <19971210002...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, hanni...@aol.com
says...
>

>DALLAS characters have too many loves of their life. Sue Ellen loved JR, no
>matter what she said. She also claimed to love Cliff. She loved Dusty, who
I
>think was her only true love other then JR. She also loved Nicholas Pierce,
>and she also loved Don Lockwood, although I think that was more of a "I need
>somebody" kind of love.
>

*All* of Sue Ellen's loves have been an I need somebody kind of love. I dont'
think that makes her despicable, though; I think that makes her believable and
deserving of pity.

>>Atleast JR doesn't claim to love all his women.
>

JR has a bigger problem than Sue Ellen precisely because he won't acknowledge
that he needs to love someone beside himself. He seems strong, but he is not
(although of course he *is* the grand arbiter of the universe).


Angela Gregory

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Im not exactly sure who is saying what here, but hold the hell up, Sue
Ellen NEVER slept with Clayton and WHEN did she sleep with Ray ? I dont
remember that to save my life! and as for Peter she only slept with him
once (thats not and excuse, just a fact) and she never went there again!
She didnt even want to do it the first time, I know , I know the fact is
that she did do it ,but at least she didnt repeat the mistake. As for
Cliff he was the first person Sue Ellen ever cheated on JR with and yes
she did do it out of spite, but he had been cheating on and verbally
abusing her for years, I would end up cheating to! She loved Dusty ,
enough said. She never claimed to love Cliff, not even in the beginning.
The only sluts I see are the damn whore dogs who slept with JR knowing
he was a married man, almost all of them expecting him to leave his
wife, now if you are going to be the whore , act the whore and roll over
and shut up!

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 10:28:19 -0500, Dal...@webtv.net (Angela Gregory)
wrote:

>Im not exactly sure who is saying what here, but hold the hell up, Sue
>Ellen NEVER slept with Clayton and WHEN did she sleep with Ray ? I dont
>remember that to save my life!

See the Sex: Or, Who Slept with Whom? section of the "Dallas" FAQ for
the details on Swellen's encounter with Ray.

http://helius.carroll.com/p/edit/takapa.html

David Jensen

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Jr what are you thinking to be love struck by Vannessa. JR must be
remembering the way she looked 20 years ago.

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Marilee Stone wrote:

> > This coming from a sadsack who has to neurotically take on the
> > persona of one of the Dallas characters? Give me a break.

> This is the best comeback you could think of, attacking someone's
> nick?

I think of it more as a psychological crutch than a nick.

> Some of us, Mr. Del ANNOY,

1) Your pronunciation of French names is astounding.

2) I find it amusing that you automatically think I'm male.

> prefer to use pseudonyms for the sake of security;

Yeah, I'm sure there are lots of people out to get you. They must
be hiding around every corner.

Boo!

- Chris J. Delanoy

George W. Dean

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

On 10 Dec 1997 06:59:36 GMT, thx70...@aol.com (THX70MMDTS) wrote:

>In article <348E24...@hotmail.com>, Sly <oil_b...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>>Greetings Male Pigs! I have had enough of you sick jerk-offs praising JR
>and
>>calling Sue Ellen a slut. Anyone who feels this way has a MAJOR
>problem
>>getting it up with out porn or is some kind of abused child. Now
>look, stop
>>this crap and open your eyes...then again thats probly asking
>way too much of
>>anyone who thinks Sue Ellen is a slut anyway.
>

>THANK YOU SLY!! I AGREE 100%! Sue Ellen is a saint compared to J.R.!
>
>Tony


Another neuro-surgeon heard from!
Regards,

George Dean <gd...@neo.lrun.com>

tmg...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Ms. Beaumont is definitely NOT the best looking female on Dallas. She
looked worn out and what kind of beast or alien did those teeth come from.
Cally may think she is beautiful, but then we also know Cally comes from a
rather suspect gene pool. Can you imagine what her Mom & Dad (aka Aunt &
Uncle) must have looked like before the pigs ate them.


PunkAn...@webtv.net

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Wow ! A witty french asshole. What a surprise!
Its called all in fun..........., Usually someone of your limited
intelligence at least makes up for it with a nice personallty. Be
Carefull of who you insult! You just might meet them face to face
someday.........................Boo!
Punk

tmg...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Sue Ellen was a slut. JR was a SLUT.

Actually, definiting slut as someone you bang for the fun of it, rather
than for some emotional reason (like love)...

JR is a SUPER SLUT, while Sue Ellen is a fairly minor slut. We have JR's
word that she was a hot sex machine, but what we've "witnessed" would seem
to fall within the range of normal. JR from the beginning right up to the
movie is definitely a slut of major league proportions.

While some of us may have a fling, JR made it a career. Only Marilee
Stone is anywhere near his league on the show.

Sue Ellen a slut...she sure wouldn't have been with me. Maybe with that
Alex the eye-darting, head-twitching toad who is after Cally. She would
be his first human conquest.

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

>She never claimed to love Cliff, not even in the beginning.

She loved or atleast said to have loved CLiff when she was divroced from JR the
first time.

-Marc

JR Ewing91

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

This is just a damn soap opera people. Relax. Take a chill pill

PB

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

She slept with Ray in the very early part of the series while she was drunk.


Angela Gregory wrote in message
<66mcej$krk$1...@newsd-163.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...


Im not exactly sure who is saying what here, but hold the hell up, Sue
Ellen NEVER slept with Clayton and WHEN did she sleep with Ray ? I dont

SheSaid

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

Since JR is such a spring chicken himself, that is right kind of him.

(But it would pleasure Cally greatly if he called Vanessa an OLD HAG
and be done with her.)

CatTess

unread,
Dec 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/10/97
to

>>> If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
>>> a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.?
>>


Swellen and J.R. are both sluts. They slept around. They broke their vows.
Their reasons (business, drunken stupor, attraction, revenge, etc.) are
irrelevant.

GaryEwing

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

PB <patr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<66n1n9$9...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

> She slept with Ray in the very early part of the series while she was
drunk.
>

She'd have to be drunk to sleep with Ray! :)


Gtom...@aol.com

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

In article ,

edit@!carroll.com (Eric Newman) wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:54:16 -0800, Chris J Delanoy
> wrote:
>
> >Eric Newman wrote:
> >
> >> > She slept with a number of people including a teenage boy. That makes
> >> > her a slut. She also slept with Cliff, JR's enemy. That makes her
> >> > disloyal.
> >
> >> If your argument that "Swellen is a slut" is based on "she slept with
> >> a number of people," then what do you make of J.R.?
> >
> >Haven't you heard the old adage that a woman who sleeps around is a
> >slut, but a man who does it is a stud?
>
> Yes, I've heard the adage. What about it? Just because it's an adage
> doesn't make it valid.
>
> >Seriously though, there would never have been any need for JR to
> >"go elsewhere" if Sue Ellen weren't a disloyal drunk in the first
> >place.
>
> That's not borne out by the facts.
>
> >Sue Ellen never appreciated the fact that, without JR, she never would
> >have amounted to anything. She'd have been a washed-out pageant vixen,
> >drunk and penniless in the gutter.
>
> Also not borne out by the facts.
>
> >> Adding a teenage boy to the mix does not automatically move
> >> someone into the "slut" category -- even if Peter Richards was a
> >> teenage boy when they slept together, which he probably was not.
> >
> >When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference between
> >having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.
>
> You haven't invalidated my point. The fact that an individual slept
> with a much-younger individual does not automatically brand the older
> person a slut.
>
> >> I don't think that Swellen's sleeping with Cliff makes her disloyal.
> >
> >You're forgetting about Dusty. And possibly Clayton, the man her
> >son calls "grandpa". Not to mention JR's brother Ray. Even if he
> >was a halfbreed, that's still mighty disloyal.
>
> I'm not forgetting about Dusty. Her sleeping with Dusty doesn't
> constitute disloyalty either. As for Clayton -- for the umpteenth
> time, Swellen did not sleep with him. And even if she had, that was
> years before he became John Ross's stepgrandfather. Sleeping with Ray
> also does not constitute disloyalty.
>
> >And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
> >street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
> >lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!
>
> In the first place, that happened only in Pam's dream. In the second
> place, perhaps you are not aware that alcoholism is a disease, and
> Swellen was suffering from it at the time. Nothing in Swellen's

> character indicates that she would sleep with a stranger under
> "normal" circumstances

All of this Sue Ellen bashing is ridiculous!!!Sue Ellen's character
was someone who lived her life trying to please her husband
and having the ultimate goal of being loved by him to make up
for the love she didn't have for herself!Sue Ellen would have
NEVER have cheated on JR if he didn't mentally abuse her and
sleep with all the tramps in Dallas.While he had 8 years of affairs
with prostitutes,women in Waco, and his secretary...she was home
doing what her Mama brought her up to do...being the best wife
she could possibly be. It wasn't until Bobby and Pam were married
that she realized what a marriage should truly be and she then
felt cheated. After years of abuse..Sue Ellen did then have her
first affair.It doesn't make it right....but it also doesn't make
JR the hero and Sue Ellen the slut. Sue Ellen was looking for someone
to love her...while JR was looking for a good time or a business
deal closer!!

I think people should get their facts straight before they claim
Sue Ellen slept with Clayton and a man off the streets while she
was drunk....Of course..this could prove that all of the other
nonsense that was said by this person was just about as credible
as those facts!

Gina aka Miss Texas

The Cartel

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

On Wed, 10 Dec 1997 00:42:11 -0800, Chris J Delanoy
<cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote:

>Eric Newman wrote:
>
>> > When you're talking about a 40 year old woman, the difference
>> > between having an affair with an 18-or-20-year-old boy is moot.
>
>> You haven't invalidated my point. The fact that an individual slept
>> with a much-younger individual does not automatically brand the older
>> person a slut.
>

>What makes this particular case so damning for Sue Ellen is the fact
>that she slept with somebody who had become a big-brother figure to
>her son. Toward the end, she was using her own sun as an excuse to
>see her boytoy. How low.

I recall the circumstances quite differently. Toward the end, it was
Peter obsessively pursuing Sue Ellen. She was doing her best to
totally avoid contact with him. Peter was using John Ross as an
excuse to see Sue Ellen.

>
>> >And how could we forget her sleeping with that loser bum on the
>> >street, all just to get her hands on his bottle of vodka? How much
>> >lower could any human being possibly sink than that?!
>
>> In the first place, that happened only in Pam's dream.
>

>I for one think it's very telling that Pam's opinion of Sue Ellen was
>low enough for her to dream that Sue Ellen would end up living in a
>gutter and sleeping with any bum who gives her booze.

There's not much credibility in the assumption that we were seeing Sue
Ellen through Pam's eyes. Those episodes aired early in the season -
long before the writers decided that the season would be Pam's dream.

>Pam was an honest person, would you not agree? I therefore put more
>stock in her opinion of Sue Ellen as a boozer than I do in attempts
>to show otherwise.
>

>> Nothing in Swellen's character indicates that she would sleep with a

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

The Cartel wrote:

> >I for one think it's very telling that Pam's opinion of Sue Ellen was
> >low enough for her to dream that Sue Ellen would end up living in a
> >gutter and sleeping with any bum who gives her booze.

> There's not much credibility in the assumption that we were seeing Sue
> Ellen through Pam's eyes.

I was just addressing the excuse given me. I agree that it was too
early to be written off as something written for the dream
specifically.

> Those episodes aired early in the season - long before the writers
> decided that the season would be Pam's dream.

Exactly. Meaning it was just routine writing of the Sue Ellen
character.

Thanks for lending a hand...

GaryEwing

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

What is a breat? :)

Hannibal92 <hanni...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971211181...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> As far as breats go, Michelle's are not small as people have said.
Yesterday
> she had a lot of cleavage showing. Not to sound like a pigheaded man,
but this
> is a response to someone's earlier post.
>
>
> -Marc
>

Christina

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

Was the sequence where she hits the streets meant to be a kind of
"bottoming-out" for Sue Ellen? I seem to remember reading that.

In article <348FA1...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>, cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
says...

Christina

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

In article <348f1bed...@news.meganews.com>, aDizzy...@hotmail.com
says...


An old Hagwoman.


Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

Sorry typo, but you know what I mean smart ass.

-Marc

Vegard Svanberg

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

On 11 Dec 1997 04:09:22 GMT, samm...@aol.com (SAMMYQUOE) wrote:

> Well, In my opinion, I think Dallas had some of the best looking women
>than any other tv show! I mean, Victoria Principal, HOT!!! Lucy, (In MUCH
>eairler years, and I said she was pretty, not smart or a good actress!) Cally,
>April, SueEllen (again, in Earlier years), and of course, my
>favorite......MANDY WINGER!!!

Don't forget Liz.
---
Vegard Svanberg - veg...@halden.online.no - http://home.sol.no/~vsvanber/

GaryEwing

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

It was a joke, you remember what those are don't you.
My, my I think you need to lighten up a little bit eh?
And yes, I am smart but never an ass, sot.

Hannibal92 <hanni...@aol.com> wrote in article

<19971211202...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

tmg...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

JR Ewing91 (jrew...@aol.com) wrote:
: This is just a damn soap opera people. Relax. Take a chill pill

Yes, but it is far more witty and entertaining than that chat line crap.
Chris and Sly get my vote for most amusing newsgroup bout of the week.

Ron.


Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

Whose Liz?

-Marc

mc...@ca.ibm.com

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

As I recall we did get to see Sly in a bathing suit a couple of times. I
may be wrong but I believe this happened when Sly had her big "double
agent" storyline (Cliff hires her to be his spy and when J.R. finds out
he uses her to feed Cliff bad info). Cliff came to visit her a couple of
times while she was lounging at the pool and old Sly was looking pretty
good.


In article <01bd000d$5d3d1160$c09493d0@default>,
"Bob Duncan" <bdu...@HiWAAY.net> wrote:
>
> Mongoose92 wrote:
> > The more I think about it, the more I believe that Sly (JR's secretary
> > for the past few years) is the best looking female on "Dallas". I used
> to
> > think it was April. Anyway, does anyone know what Sly (don't remember
> her real
> > name) is doing today?
> Sly (Deborah Rennard) was certainly a character who had a bit of honor.
> She was utterly loyal to J.R. and never seemed to have another agenda,
> like most of the other women. Of course, her character was never explored
> to
> the extent that it should have been. As I recall, she never ended up in
> bed
> with J.R. I guess the Ewings had an unwritten rule about sleeping with the
> help. I would have liked to have seen her in a bathing suit. She was
> always
> dressed down.
>
> I thought it was really cold the way Casey Denault dismissed her a few
> weeks ago, saying that she would never be more that just a secretary.
>
> Bob Duncan
>
> "The devil made me do it the first time,
> the second time, I done it on my own."
> --- Billy Joe Shaver

Hannibal92

unread,
Dec 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/11/97
to

Barry S. Mandel

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

On 5 Dec 1997 22:08:42 GMT, rutgd...@aol.com (RutgdudeNJ) wrote:

>Sue Ellen is the best looking woman on DALLAS!

Was, is, and always will be Amy Stock. (Bet y'all knew I'd say
that...)


-- BSM

"First, we kill all the lawyers...." -- W. Shakespeare
"I love sports. Whenever I can, I always watch the Detroit Tigers on the radio." -- G. Ford

http://www2.netcom.com/~bear.law/CullenandMandel.html

Eric Newman

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

On 11 Dec 1997 18:42:33 GMT, s77...@UOTTAWA.CA (Christina) wrote:

>Was the sequence where she hits the streets meant to be a kind of
>"bottoming-out" for Sue Ellen? I seem to remember reading that.

I think so. As a matter of fact, even though Swellen was an alcoholic
and started drinking again just before Pam went to sleep, when Pam
woke up Swellen did *not* continue drinking, reportedly because Linda
Gray asked that her character not have to go through that again.

BDouglas14

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

>
>I think so. As a matter of fact, even though Swellen was an alcoholic
>and started drinking again just before Pam went to sleep, when Pam
>woke up Swellen did *not* continue drinking, reportedly because Linda
>Gray asked that her character not have to go through that again.
>
>

True, Swellen stopped drinking after Pam woke from that year-long dream, but
not until after J.R. tosses her a bottle of hooch. She thought about emptying
the bottle, but finally stood her ground, and plotted to get rid of Mandy
Winger without all those gawd-awful hangovers.

Kenneth Ward

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

Chris J Delanoy wrote:


> You're forgetting about Dusty. And possibly Clayton, the man her
> son calls "grandpa". Not to mention JR's brother Ray. Even if he
> was a halfbreed, that's still mighty disloyal.


If Suellen slept with Ray, which I do not recall, she did it not knowing
that Ray was JR's half brother. JR had full knowledge that Kristin was
Suellen's sister, yet he made her his mistress. That is the definition
of disloyalty.

*Mindy

Chris J Delanoy

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

Kenneth Ward wrote:

I agree. Kristin was a very disloyal sister.

That's just one more thing that she and Sue Ellen had in common.

Kelly Sudderth

unread,
Dec 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/12/97
to

Oh, well if *JR* said so, it _must_ be true! God knows he wouldn't
lie........
--
Kelly Sudderth aka Sue Ellen
dalla...@hotmail.com
http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/4107

Chris J Delanoy <cdel...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> wrote in article
<348CA6...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>...
> EHaase2463 wrote:
>
> > >>Sue Ellen was a disloyal slut.
>
> > When JR was faithful to Sue Ellen, she was faithful and passionately
> > in love with him. One reason why I am one of the few who like the
> > Dream Season is that she became a noble person during that season.
>
> But that was just a dream. Meaning that, back in reality, Sue Ellen
> was still the same vindictive and drunken slut she always was.
>
> J.R. said so.

It is loading more messages.
0 new messages