Melinda Warren must be stronger than the Charmed ones
Darkhorse714
read about Melinda Warren who practiced 3 powers
But the Charmed Ones are supposed to be "the most powerful witches this world
has known" so how come Melinda had all their powers combined?
That must mean they are not the most powerful witches
Also they have shown other witches with greater powers
UGotFlava
>has known" so how come Melinda had all their powers combined?
It's not how many powers but how they use them. If that were the case, there
wouldn't be a show...as most of the demons/warlocks have more than just one
power. Cole/Belthazor alone can shimmer, throw energy balls and move through
other realms almosy undetected. If powers equaled how powerful they were, the
girls would have been dead a long time ago.
Also....what witches were more powerful then them? I don't remember any.
Kapten K
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Or they will become the most powerful witches...
KK
David Johnston
>
> In the series pilot, Phoebe was telling Piper how in the book of shadows she
> read about Melinda Warren who practiced 3 powers
>
> But the Charmed Ones are supposed to be "the most powerful witches this world
> has known" so how come Melinda had all their powers combined?
Melinda had the power to move things, to see into the future, and to freeze
things. I doubt she had the power to level a house, make a demon explode,
or kill someone with a touch.
>
> That must mean they are not the most powerful witches
> Also they have shown other witches with greater powers
The sisters aren't at their full power yet. Even so, I'm a little foggy on when
they've shown other witches with greater powers. The closest would be the witch
with the reflector power and her power was significantly limited by being offensively
useless.
Darkhorse714
who could light candles with her finger and the one that made her candles float
while she performed her rituals.
PJ Browning
but just cause they had powers the COs didn't, doesn't make them as
powerful or more powerful
jaylin
it will take time for them all to come back to them. Their powers are only
limited by the writers imaginations. So I'm sure we haven't seen the best
yet. :> I'm waiting for Phoebs powers to increase more. She can divine and
levitate. What might be next for her? I know I would like to see her get a
more active power.
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UGotFlava
And none of them killed a warlock/demon. Instead, they were the ones who got
killed. How does that make them more powerful than the C-Ones??
David Johnston
I think actually the respondent was going off into a tangent about what powered
witches we've actually seen.
Indy
>> powerful or more powerful
I was under the impression that because in her past life she had avery active
power and because she turned bad that power ability was taken away from her and
"de evolved" or however leo put it
Quin Haughton
the attic Piper freezes blocks at one time and Phoebe produces
electricity from her hands though there maybe be powerful witches no one
witch or group of witches are as powerful as the 3 of them together
ZepHead
ONE_N-A...@webtv.net (Quin Haughton) wrote:
if seeing or jumping to the future to see it first hand
and prue is alive then something is messed up.
In the finale no matter which way it went prue was going to die
so we should never have seen a future with her in it.
She should have been dead then Piper and Pheobe could have found
out WHY she dies an stopped her death when they went back.
(at least try to stop it)
either that or the seeing into future is a total waste of time. ; )
UGotFlava
never have seen a future with her in it.
Once again......The whole point of them going to the future was so they could
see what they (specifically Phoebe) did wrong, then come back to make it
right....meaning the future that they went to no longer existed once they
changed what needed to be changed. Since they did...obviously that future is
non-existant. Remember...in that ep...Prue was still working at...or rather,
she owned....Buckland's. She quit a LONG time ago to persue her photography
career....her not wanting to become "super boss" was one of the many things
that changed after they got back.
David Johnston
>
> In article <14128-3B...@storefull-262.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> ONE_N-A...@webtv.net (Quin Haughton) wrote:
>
> > but keep in mind the ep where they see their future powers Prue blows up
> > the attic Piper freezes blocks at one time and Phoebe produces
> > electricity from her hands though there maybe be powerful witches no one
> > witch or group of witches are as powerful as the 3 of them together
> >
>
> if seeing or jumping to the future to see it first hand
> and prue is alive then something is messed up.
They prevented that future by refraining from pulling a little
practical joke with their powers that would lead to the exposure
of witches of their variety to the public at large.
ZepHead
ugot...@aol.com (UGotFlava) wrote:
> >In the finale no matter which way it went prue was going to die so we should
> never have seen a future with her in it.
>
> Once again......The whole point of them going to the future was so they could
> see what they (specifically Phoebe) did wrong, then come back to make it
> right....meaning the future that they went to no longer existed once they
> changed what needed to be changed. Since they did...obviously that future is
> non-existant.
then how do you know the future they went to was even right ?
Going to the future has to include the ACT of you going to it.
The future sisters would have KNOWN their past selves went
into the future and what they saw and so should not have been'
in the situation to begin with and thus no need to go into the future ; )
Back to the Future is one movie that seemed to do it right.
Where you run into yourself and see yourself doing the exact
same stuff that you did etc....
ZepHead
David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> They prevented that future by refraining from pulling a little
> practical joke with their powers that would lead to the exposure
> of witches of their variety to the public at large.
>
yes but going to the future is supposed to be THE FUTURE
if that does not happen then what they saw was NOT TRULY
the future. The future ep should have had the season finale ep
in its past.
lol time travel what mess it could make of things. : )
Kapten K
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> In article <20010706172942...@ng-mi1.aol.com>,
> ugot...@aol.com (UGotFlava) wrote:
>
> > >In the finale no matter which way it went prue was going to die so we
should
> > never have seen a future with her in it.
> >
> > Once again......The whole point of them going to the future was so they
could
> > see what they (specifically Phoebe) did wrong, then come back to make it
> > right....meaning the future that they went to no longer existed once
they
> > changed what needed to be changed. Since they did...obviously that
future is
> > non-existant.
>
>
> then how do you know the future they went to was even right ?
>
First of, there is no RIGHT future. The future depends on every act that
EVERYTHING does. If one part is changed then the future is compleately
changed. If it's something that looked like how it first seemed to be that
would be just coincidence and nothing else.
> Going to the future has to include the ACT of you going to it.
> The future sisters would have KNOWN their past selves went
> into the future and what they saw and so should not have been'
> in the situation to begin with and thus no need to go into the future
; )
>
The thing is that just seeing one event in the future won't let you avoid
it. Since you don't know anything of the events that lead to just that
event, everything you try to do to avoid it, might (more probably will) push
you closer to just that event. To really avoid something happening in the
future you have to know everything that lead to it and that is very hard to
do.
> Back to the Future is one movie that seemed to do it right.
> Where you run into yourself and see yourself doing the exact
> same stuff that you did etc....
No that is the biggest plothole in the series where they go into the future.
You as in a body of flesh and blood can not I repeat can not go into the
future and see yourself doing stuff. Simply because YOU won't exist in that
future. See the whole thing as being frosen down in a cryo-tank or traveling
close to the speed of light for some time and then going back to see a
future 200 years or something from the moment you left/fell asleep.
KK
Kapten K
> In article <3B4617...@telusplanet.net>,
> David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > They prevented that future by refraining from pulling a little
> > practical joke with their powers that would lead to the exposure
> > of witches of their variety to the public at large.
> >
>
> yes but going to the future is supposed to be THE FUTURE
> if that does not happen then what they saw was NOT TRULY
> the future. The future ep should have had the season finale ep
> in its past.
>
Not neccesarily. You know everything they did to prevent that future from
happening have lead to the season finale. If they hadn't done it then it
would have lead to the future we saw in the ep where they went to the
future.
> lol time travel what mess it could make of things. : )
Only if we travel back in time. Travel to the future won't make messes since
we alredy are doing just that.
You know the ep where they went back in time? Well, that whole thing
triggered their whole future. Grams wouldn't probably have done the
forgetting and inhibiting spell if they hadn't traveled back and told her
about it IIRC.
I don't find time all that hard to understand since I define it as the
"law/entity" in our universe that stop every event from happening at the
same time. With the general law of relativity I guess time is also closely
connected to velocity as well, how don't ask me since I don't ahve the
mathematical knowledge to really understand that law.
KK
David Johnston
>
> In article <3B4617...@telusplanet.net>,
> David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > They prevented that future by refraining from pulling a little
> > practical joke with their powers that would lead to the exposure
> > of witches of their variety to the public at large.
> >
>
> yes but going to the future is supposed to be THE FUTURE
What makes you think that?
> if that does not happen then what they saw was NOT TRULY
> the future.
Yes. So?
ZepHead
"Kapten K" <sft...@post.netlink.se> wrote:
>
> First of, there is no RIGHT future.
you just repeated what i said
That was my point.
> The future depends on every act that
> EVERYTHING does. If one part is changed then the future is compleately
> changed. If it's something that looked like how it first seemed to be that
> would be just coincidence and nothing else.
so what is your point? You just agreed with me.
> The thing is that just seeing one event in the future won't let you avoid
> it. Since you don't know anything of the events that lead to just that
> event, everything you try to do to avoid it, might (more probably will) push
> you closer to just that event. To really avoid something happening in the
> future you have to know everything that lead to it and that is very hard to
> do.
i disagree. if you get hit by a falling piano
on the 27th at elm and 3rd and you do not go there
that day it should be avoidable.
The problem here is that the future was not really the future
so it means nothing to see it.
Pheobe seeing the future with prue in it and then prue dies the next day
means Pheobe saw NONSENSE.
ZepHead
"Kapten K" <sft...@post.netlink.se> wrote:
>
> Not neccesarily.
then like i said it is not the future.
>
> You know the ep where they went back in time? Well, that whole thing
> triggered their whole future. Grams wouldn't probably have done the
> forgetting and inhibiting spell if they hadn't traveled back and told her
> about it IIRC.
that was a paradox and that is why it is impossible.
They could not go back in time to save melinda
if melinda was not successfully born already so they could be born
to go back in time. This is basic stuff you are over looking.
An no do not bring parallel universes and time lines into this
because that just makes all this moot if you can't affect
your own universe/time line.
>
> I don't find time all that hard to understand
we are not talking about time we are talking about time
travel it is not the same thing.
UGotFlava
>if that does not happen then what they saw was NOT TRULY
>the future.
Yes, it was. It was that future IF they continued doing what they were doing.
They changed their paths to better their own futures. Do I have to do the
whole explination again on that? EVERY thing we do affects our future, no
matter how "small" it may seem...even from what we decide to wear on a
particular morning could affect what happens later. Our decisions constantly
change what our future could be....remember...NO ONE is certain what the future
holds.
UGotFlava
go there that day it should be avoidable.
Exactly.
>The problem here is that the future was not really the future so it means
nothing to see it.
Yes it does. If Phoebe wouldn't have seen THAT future, she wouldn't have
prevented the girls from playing the "joke" on Pratt, hence, that WOULD have
been their future. Phoebe seeing it saved her life, and possibly her sisters
lives, in that episode.
David Johnston
> > The thing is that just seeing one event in the future won't let you avoid
> > it. Since you don't know anything of the events that lead to just that
> > event, everything you try to do to avoid it, might (more probably will) push
> > you closer to just that event. To really avoid something happening in the
> > future you have to know everything that lead to it and that is very hard to
> > do.
>
> i disagree. if you get hit by a falling piano
> on the 27th at elm and 3rd and you do not go there
> that day it should be avoidable.
>
> The problem here is that the future was not really the future
> so it means nothing to see it.
Yes it does.
>
> Pheobe seeing the future with prue in it and then prue dies the next day
> means Pheobe saw NONSENSE.
No. It means the future can be changed. Not mind you that Phoebe does
that. Her visions tend to cut out at the precise moment that some change
can be made to the future.
Kapten K
> In article <99450591...@news2.cybercity.dk>,
> "Kapten K" <sft...@post.netlink.se> wrote:
>
> >
> > First of, there is no RIGHT future.
>
From earlier post:
**
>> Once again......The whole point of them going to the future was so they
could
>> see what they (specifically Phoebe) did wrong, then come back to make it
>> right....meaning the future that they went to no longer existed once they
>> changed what needed to be changed. Since they did...obviously that
future is
>> non-existant.
> then how do you know the future they went to was even right ?
**
> you just repeated what i said
> That was my point.
>
No your point is a misunderstanding of what UGotFlava wrote. He/she never
stated it was the right future.
Then you write an impossibility and I guess I'll have to concede that my
reply was badly written and unfinished:
**
> Going to the future has to include the ACT of you going to it.
> The future sisters would have KNOWN their past selves went
> into the future and what they saw and so should not have been'
> in the situation to begin with and thus no need to go into the future
; )
**
This is absolutely impossible since from the moment you travel forward in
time you'll stop existing in that time period you travel forward with. So
your past self will only see a future without them in it and then when they
travel back in time they'll automatically change it.
>
> > The future depends on every act that
> > EVERYTHING does. If one part is changed then the future is compleately
> > changed. If it's something that looked like how it first seemed to be
that
> > would be just coincidence and nothing else.
>
>
> so what is your point? You just agreed with me.
>
No since you still claim that you will exixt in the future when you arrive
there. I don't. However my reply wasn't complete.
>
> > The thing is that just seeing one event in the future won't let you
avoid
> > it. Since you don't know anything of the events that lead to just that
> > event, everything you try to do to avoid it, might (more probably will)
push
> > you closer to just that event. To really avoid something happening in
the
> > future you have to know everything that lead to it and that is very hard
to
> > do.
>
>
> i disagree. if you get hit by a falling piano
> on the 27th at elm and 3rd and you do not go there
> that day it should be avoidable.
>
Disgaree how? If you read my text better you even find you simply agree with
me.
> The problem here is that the future was not really the future
> so it means nothing to see it.
>
This is another thing we disagree about. You always talk about definite
futures that is meanigful to know or not. The meaningfullness(sp?) of seeing
a future is always high since it can be something to strive to avoid or
something to strive for. If you mean later events that seem to make the
future you saw very unlikely to occur it doesn't mean anything until you
actually is at the "time" when the future is supposed to occur. Not until
afterwards you can decide if it's nonsense or not.
> Pheobe seeing the future with prue in it and then prue dies the next day
> means Pheobe saw NONSENSE.
No she saw a possible future and by that she might be able to revive Prue,
since that IS an option that future is still possible.
KK
Kapten K
> In article <99450651...@news2.cybercity.dk>,
> "Kapten K" <sft...@post.netlink.se> wrote:
>
> >
> > Not neccesarily.
>
> then like i said it is not the future.
>
It is the future if certain things occured in the past that lead to it.
However since they changed one of the more important events that lead to
that fututure it is very not likley to become the future.
>
> >
> > You know the ep where they went back in time? Well, that whole thing
> > triggered their whole future. Grams wouldn't probably have done the
> > forgetting and inhibiting spell if they hadn't traveled back and told
her
> > about it IIRC.
>
> that was a paradox and that is why it is impossible.
> They could not go back in time to save melinda
> if melinda was not successfully born already so they could be born
> to go back in time. This is basic stuff you are over looking.
>
So what? That they actually could go back in time and save Melinda just
proves that they managed to save her.
> An no do not bring parallel universes and time lines into this
> because that just makes all this moot if you can't affect
> your own universe/time line.
>
If you travel back in time to stop one event to occur or change it you'll
inevitably find yourself in another time line. Time lines and parallel
universes are two compleately different things since a universe probably
have to be "spanned" up by time. Then if the specific universe allows
timetravel then there will exist different possible timelines that exists
parallel with each other.
>
> >
> > I don't find time all that hard to understand
>
>
> we are not talking about time we are talking about time
> travel it is not the same thing.
Not to me. Since we exist within a universe where time exists we are
traveling constantly in time.
KK