Buffy 6x17 Plot.. now they're copying from Charmed! Argh! Let's see if they can do a better job, because S6 so far doesn't give any hope on that...
geno_...@softhome.net
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March 12, 2002
Director: Rick Rosenthal
Writer: Diego Gutierrez
Buffy is sent into a wild fluctuation between alternative realities -
in one world she's the vampire slayer, in the other she's been
institutionalized for severe delusional schizophrenia.
With either world appealing and disturbing for different reasons, she
faces a difficult choice of which reality to accept.
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Well, then take a look here :
http://www.tvtome.com/Charmed/season4.html
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73. Brain Drain
gs: Rachel Wilson (Becca) Ben Guillory (The Source) Alastair Duncan
(Alastair)
The Source sends Piper into a deep coma, where she perceives an
alternate reality. Phoebe and Paige must find a way to return her to
reality and save her from giving up her powers while she is
delusional.
b: 08-Nov-01 pc: 407 w: Curtis Kheel d: John Behring
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You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
Recently Charmed as reached the high-quality levels that Buffy once
had. So Buffy producers are so much worried about their poor job on
Buffy S6 that they started copying from others work. Let's see if, at
least, they can do it right this time or if the next episode sucks
just like the last 13-14 of S6. (Buffy S6 intro episode were cool but
then one wonders where the heck they are throwing the
$1Million/episode buck, because there's nothing on the subsequent S6
episodes to justify the high costs. Somone inside Buffy productions
it's cheating and this is no good. The show sucks).
geno_...@softhome.net
geno_...@softhome.net
PJ Browning
one little note: Normal again was supposed to be ep 8 of this season (which would
put it about the same time as the Charmed ep). So it's doubtful that it was
copying. it was likely more of two groups thinking of the same thing and one of
them decided to shift timings to avoid the comparisons (plus I think that it could
be better having this crisis now)
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EGK
wrote:
>> You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
>> Recently Charmed as reached the high-quality levels that Buffy once
>> had. So Buffy producers are so much worried about their poor job on
>> Buffy S6 that they started copying from others work.
>
>one little note: Normal again was supposed to be ep 8 of this season (which would
>put it about the same time as the Charmed ep). So it's doubtful that it was
>copying. it was likely more of two groups thinking of the same thing and one of
>them decided to shift timings to avoid the comparisons (plus I think that it could
>be better having this crisis now)
It's not like these ideas are all that original anyway but there are a lot
of similarities. You often see variations of the same stories on tv. Quite
often on cop shows. I don't know if writers get together and make changes
in a story to fit a particular show and save themselves work or what but it
does happen.
I've personally seen it quite a few times between Law and Order and NYPD
Blue but at least they have the excuse of getting their ideas from the
headlines.
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geno_...@softhome.net
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March 12, 2002
Director: Rick Rosenthal
Writer: Diego Gutierrez
Buffy is sent into a wild fluctuation between alternative realities -
in one world she's the vampire slayer, in the other she's been
institutionalized for severe delusional schizophrenia.
With either world appealing and disturbing for different reasons, she
faces a difficult choice of which reality to accept.
------
Well, then take a look here :
http://www.tvtome.com/Charmed/season4.html
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73. Brain Drain
gs: Rachel Wilson (Becca) Ben Guillory (The Source) Alastair Duncan
(Alastair)
The Source sends Piper into a deep coma, where she perceives an
alternate reality. Phoebe and Paige must find a way to return her to
reality and save her from giving up her powers while she is
delusional.
b: 08-Nov-01 pc: 407 w: Curtis Kheel d: John Behring
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You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
Recently Charmed as reached the high-quality levels that Buffy once
had. So Buffy producers are so much worried about their poor job on
Blackberry
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>You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
>Recently Charmed as reached the high-quality levels that Buffy once
>had. So Buffy producers are so much worried about their poor job on
>Buffy S6 that they started copying from others work. Let's see if, at
>least, they can do it right this time or if the next episode sucks
>just like the last 13-14 of S6. (Buffy S6 intro episode were cool but
>then one wonders where the heck they are throwing the
>$1Million/episode buck, because there's nothing on the subsequent S6
>episodes to justify the high costs. Somone inside Buffy productions
>it's cheating and this is no good.
I believe that, if you look back through all the fiction that has ever been
produced, you will find not only this plot but almost all the plots of all Buffy
episodes past, present, and future. Hardly anything is truly original anymore.
To say that Buffy "stole" this from Charmed is ridiculous, since Charmed "stole"
it from Star Trek: TNG! :)
>The show sucks).
Okay then! I enjoy it and I'll watch, so it obviously can't be sucking in an
unenjoyable way.
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<ga...@gavinclayton.co.uk> writes:
>This is what geno_...@softhome.net just wrote:
>
>
>>You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
>
>has done a similar plot at one time or another. Star Trek:TNG, all of
>them. There are just several core plots that most shows get around to
>using eventually. It now just happens to be the time for Buffy to have
>this plot.
Not to mention that both BTVS and Charmed are character-driven shows where
episode plotting is of secondary importance at best, and often much further
down the list. The difference for me is not the plot (which is pretty
standard and bound to appear eventually on any SF/Fantasy show), but that I
care about how Buffy and the Scoobs respond to the situation. The Charmed
crowd can do whatever they want; I don't care.
himiko
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Mathew
> You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
> Recently Charmed as reached the high-quality levels that Buffy once
> had. So Buffy producers are so much worried about their poor job on
> Buffy S6 that they started copying from others work. Let's see if, at
> least, they can do it right this time or if the next episode sucks
> just like the last 13-14 of S6. (Buffy S6 intro episode were cool but
> then one wonders where the heck they are throwing the
> $1Million/episode buck, because there's nothing on the subsequent S6
> episodes to justify the high costs. Somone inside Buffy productions
> it's cheating and this is no good. The show sucks).
Another fun fact is that the episode of Charmed guest starred Alastair Duncan
(playing both Alastair the chamelon demon and the Source of all Evil) and
Whitney Dylan (playing Piper's friend Wendy).
Alastair Duncan played Collins the of the Watcher Council Retrieal team on Buffy
and Angel. Whitney Dylan played Lysette (the car groupie) in the Zeppo on Buffy
and played Marelda (the serving wench) in There's No Place Like Pltrz Glrb on
Angel!
So the episode with lot's of Angel/Buffy actors in it is the one Buffy rips off!
For more on Buffy/Charmed crossovers look here:
http://angel.fcpages.com/charmed.html
Mathew
Blackberry
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>has done a similar plot at one time or another. Star Trek:TNG, all of
>them. There are just several core plots that most shows get around to
>using eventually. It now just happens to be the time for Buffy to have
>this plot.
Heck, it was rare that an episode of The Prisoner *wasn't* about this.
Otha Stubblefield
geno_...@softhome.net wrote in message ...
Riker passes out on a planet and wakes up 15 years later as Captain of the
Enterprise and married to someone other than Deanna.
The Pah Wraiths get into Sisko's head in order to make him believe that he
is a 1930's Sci-Fi writer who has been institutionalized for believing that
his story about life on a space station is a little too real
A radiation storm damages the holodeck trapping the Doctor in a scenario
where he believes that he's human and married to Kes
After a rough trip through the Stargate, Jack thinks he's arrived at the SGC
in the future, the only member of his team to survive the trip. In reality,
he's a prisoner of the Gouald who are trying to interrogate him.
Supertrick
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The twist will be that Buffy is so distraught being a hero that she
chooses to remain insane. Now wouldn't that be messed up???
Jetbolt
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> On the UPN site :
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> March 12, 2002
>
> Director: Rick Rosenthal
> Writer: Diego Gutierrez
>
> Buffy is sent into a wild fluctuation between alternative realities -
> in one world she's the vampire slayer, in the other she's been
> institutionalized for severe delusional schizophrenia.
>
> With either world appealing and disturbing for different reasons, she
> faces a difficult choice of which reality to accept.
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Jetbolt
Things" and the one where Faith kills the mayor's assistant (pretty
close).
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"Gavin Clayton" <ga...@gavinclayton.co.uk> wrote in message
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> This is what geno_...@softhome.net just wrote:
>
>
> >You see ? The main ideas are practically the same.
>
> You fail to understand that nearly *every* genre show on television
> has done a similar plot at one time or another. Star Trek:TNG, all of
> them. There are just several core plots that most shows get around to
> using eventually. It now just happens to be the time for Buffy to have
> this plot.
>
>
> --
> Gavin Clayton
> "I'm what you call a repeat offender. I repeat: I will offend again!"
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>see
>From: PJ Browning arcad...@crosswinds.net
>Date: 3/8/2002 10:33 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3C8904B9...@crosswinds.net>
That explains the spoilers about an altered reality ep occurring during the
fall.
I think it would have made more sense as Episode 8. Buffy is supposed to be
mentally better now, isn't she? If this spell is supposedly a metaphor for
actually being mentally ill, it would make more sense for this to happen before
Buffy started getting better. If she is getting better. I can never tell.
I wonder how they'll deal with continuity problems in terms of her relationship
with Spike and Xander/Anya's breakup.
Rose
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> Friggin' the Immortal had an episode like that.
>
The series with Christopher George?
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