Amber Benson hurt by fans remarks about...
starwolf1999
Thursday morning, midnight to 3:59:59. Amber was on the board
and had been lurking for awhile, reading the posts. At first the
posters weren't sure it was her since her posts weren't in VIP
color. But enough of them sensed it was her from what she was
saying. Then she told them to ask Joss a certain question when
he next came on, and they knew it was her. She seemed more upset
about the questions and remarks about her weight than about the
storyline.
She also still doesn't know why she threw the dust under the bed,
so don't look for that to be answered. She did post quite a lot,
though, most of it in the time period from midnight to 2 AM, May
4.
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website itself for that matter?
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In article <28149998...@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com>, starwolf1999
JY
> amber says:
> (Thu May 4 00:00:30 2000 172.131.234.204)
> I've been thinking a lot about what people
said about Tara
on the
> internet after the last episode
> aired. At first, I was very hurt. I tried
to disassociate
myself
> from feeling bad by saying: This is
> Tara that they are talking about, not me.
> But I couldn't. I guess it hurts when
someone calls you ugly
or
> makes nasty comments about
> your weight whether or not it is really
YOU they are
referring to. I
> am just a human being and I
> feel like I deserve to be treated as such.
I also feel that
Tara
> deserves to be treated with a little
> more kindness and compassion. Yes, I am
not a STICK. I am a
NORMAL,
> HEALTHY (I was
> gonna say Girl, but...) WOMAN. I have
breasts and hips and I
am very
> happy that they are part
> of me. I weigh 118 and I am 5'4". If you
saw me in real
life, you
> would think I was on the thin
> side. But on tv, next to my very petite
costars, I do like
heavier.
> I am PROUD to be NORMAL. A
> body is a beautiful thing to waste.
Believe me, I have seen
enough
> of my friends and peers
> waste away to NOTHING so that they could
work in this
industry. So
> that they could perpetuate
> the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS
NOT. YOU ARE
BEAUTIFUL.
> ALL OF YOU. Just for
> being. You all can judge me and Tara for
being 'fat', 'gay'
and
> 'shy'. I suppose that my being on
> tv gives you that right. But I DO NOT have
to read what you
say. I
> have enjoyed being a lurker.
> But my feelings just can't take the
criticism. Those of you
(you
> know who you are) with
> sensitivity will understand. Thank you for
sticking up for
us. Tara
> and I both appreciate it. I think
> that being a beautiful, heavy, lesbian
witch rocks! No
matter what
> happens I'm glad I get the
> chance to walk in Tara's shoes. All you
girls and guys out
there who
> think that starving, binging
> and purging and exercising yourself to
DEATh is gonna change
how you
> feel inside-- It's NOT.
> Don't buy inot all the media crap. Love
yourself for who you
are,
> not what others THINK you
> should look like. It's DEFINITELY more
important in this
life to
> love each other despite our
> imperfections. I hope this works. Still
not sure how to do
this
> whole posting thing...
sxgo...@my-deja.com
You know, I never thought much about Tara, but I must say that Amber
just won me over.
Kathryn
Official Keeper of The Leather Pants of Evol
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Before you buy.
sxgo...@my-deja.com
foult...@home.com wrote:
> Where *is* the posting board on the official website? Where is the
official
> website itself for that matter?
Official web site: www.buffy.com
Official posting board: www.buffy.com/slow/bronze/index_stage.html
Eric F.
> Where *is* the posting board on the official website? Where is the official website itself for that matter?
The posting board is called The Bronze.
Later,
Eric F., Buffy Fan
----
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Buffy: It's Buffy, you big, bleached... stupid guy. ("Superstar")
Eric F.
support...
Later,
Eric F., Buffy Fan
----
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Willow: What?
Tara: Yours. ("Who Are You?")
crowscau...@my-deja.com
Amber Benson is NOT fat, and is a Hell of a good actress. Her scenes
really capture the essence of the type of role Tara is.
Oberon
In article <39128032...@aracnet.com>,
First Fallen
Hi...I'm new here, as is evidenced by the fact that none of you have ever
seen me around before.
Anyway, I just wanted to add my voice to the loooooooooooong list of Amber
Benson supporters. She is a wonderfully talented and beautiful actress who
has infused Tara with an incredible amount of humanity. Tara could have
been such a cliche, but Amber has made her as real a person as a character
on a TV show can be. I applaud Joss for not only creating this character
and storyline, but for casting an actress with the strength that Amber has.
This strength was clearly evidenced last night when she posted that message
defending herself against the mouthy few who, hidden behind the relative
anonimty of the internet, feel the need to puff themselves up by making
someone else feel bad about themself. And why choose Amber? Simply because
she doesn't fit the fashion and entertainment world's warped view of how
women should look. It's a wonderfully rare thing nowadays to see a women on
television who is actually built like a woman, and not a 14 year old boy.
Amber has curves and is proud of them, which is great (I love a woman with
curves). It took a LOT of guts for her to stand up for herself the way she
did. She could have easily just tried to ignore it all and pretend it
didn't hurt, but she let people know she was hurt, and wasn't going to sit
idly by why a few narrow minded morons got their jollies by attacking her
on a personal level. Bravo!
Anyhoo...that's my 2 cents worth. Although I did think it was mean of her
to taunt everyone about how cool the finale is going to be when we have to
wait 4 weeks for it - lol
Riddler
> Anyhoo...that's my 2 cents worth. Although I did think it was mean of her
> to taunt everyone about how cool the finale is going to be when we have to
> wait 4 weeks for it - lol
Think of it this way -- it was Amber's way of getting back at the people who
were making all those nasty remarks.
bhaye...@my-deja.com
starwolf1999!
>She seemed more upset
> about the questions and remarks about her weight than about the
> storyline.
That's a damn shame...she's not fat at all, and what if she was? She's
still an attractive woman. Maybe after watching Ms. Gellar starve
herself to death these last 3 years, people have forgotten what a real
woman looks like..
Buddy Hayes
BHaye...@aol.com
BHaye...@my-deja.com
Peter Meilinger
: Amber Benson is NOT fat, and is a Hell of a good actress. Her scenes
: really capture the essence of the type of role Tara is.
I really like Tara and Amber's portrayal of her. She seems like
the kind of girl I'd fall for and might even have a chance with.
Well, except for the lesbian thing...
But who the hell has been saying she's fat?! I guess I totally
missed those posts. Are these people morons?
Pete
Rose
Second, Amber is looking a lot slimmer now than she did. That's fine, she
looks lovely, but at 118 pounds she should stay where she is. :) I sure hope
she doesn't go the route of some actresses and starve herself to gain approval
(I doubt she will, based on her posts).
Third, show business is brutal. It eats up sensitive people and spits them
out. If she wants to survive, she has to develop a thicker skin. I'm not
saying that to chastise her...I'd probably become clinically depressed if I
read people saying stuff like that about me. But I like her and I don't want
to see her spirit broken...so she's needs to toughen up or find a less public
profession, do stage work, etc. I hope that came out right... again, I am not
criticizing Amber, I am saying this because unfortunately, it's true. If she
gets a big movie role and becomes famous, what she's reading on the PB is
nothing compared to the treatment she'll get from the National Enquirer.
I hope she can take a cue from Kate Winslet, who told the "you're too fat"
crowd to take a flying leap.
FWIW I think Amber Benson is a good weight and has a lovely, lovely face. IMO
Willow gets the better end of the deal. ;)
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John Baker
jcy56N...@hotmail.com.invalid says...
(quoting Amber Benson on the PB)
> I have breasts and hips and I am very happy that they are part
> of me. I weigh 118 and I am 5'4". If you saw me in real
> life, you would think I was on the thin
> side. But on tv, next to my very petite
> costars, I do like heavier.
> I am PROUD to be NORMAL. A body is a beautiful thing to waste.
> Believe me, I have seen enough of my friends and peers
> waste away to NOTHING so that they could work in this
> industry. So that they could perpetuate
> the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS NOT. YOU ARE
> BEAUTIFUL. ALL OF YOU. Just for being.
I love this woman. How old is she? I don't have a shot, do I?
ti...@enteract.bottblock.com
>> I am PROUD to be NORMAL. A body is a beautiful thing to waste.
>> Believe me, I have seen enough of my friends and peers
>> waste away to NOTHING so that they could work in this
>> industry. So that they could perpetuate
>> the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS NOT. YOU ARE
>> BEAUTIFUL. ALL OF YOU. Just for being.
> I love this woman. How old is she? I don't have a shot, do I?
::grin::
Anyone know an address to send her fan mail?
Tirya
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> I hope she can take a cue from Kate Winslet, who told the "you're too fat"
> crowd to take a flying leap.
Right, and by the way, Kate Winslet looks just fine to me.
Mac
Erin
>::grin::
>
>Anyone know an address to send her fan mail?
I've seen this one given out on a W/T list:
Amber Benson
c/o Buffy the Vampire Slayer
The Warner Brothers Television Network
4000 Warner Boulevard
Burbank
CA 91522
USA
I heard someone wrote to her at that address, and got a response
pretty quickly, but it all depends on her schedule, I guess.
Erin
--
Willow: "Tara, I have to tell you..."
Tara: "No, I understand, you have to be with the person you l-love."
Willow: "I am."
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Rose
>From: John Baker fo...@spammersmustdie.mpinet.net
>Date: 5/5/2000 9:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <MPG.137cc2b1c...@news.mpinet.net>
>
>In article <05960b2c...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com>,
>jcy56N...@hotmail.com.invalid says...
>
>(quoting Amber Benson on the PB)
>> I have breasts and hips and I am very happy that they are part
>> of me. I weigh 118 and I am 5'4". If you saw me in real
>> life, you would think I was on the thin
>> side. But on tv, next to my very petite
>> costars, I do like heavier.
>
>> Believe me, I have seen enough of my friends and peers
>> waste away to NOTHING so that they could work in this
>> industry. So that they could perpetuate
>> the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS NOT. YOU ARE
>> BEAUTIFUL. ALL OF YOU. Just for being.
>
>I love this woman. How old is she? I don't have a shot, do I?
>
You know, if Amber steals my Forgie from me, she is going to lose all of my
good will... ;p
Tom Breton
> Go to the Bosting Board at the official website and check
> Thursday morning, midnight to 3:59:59. Amber was on the board
> and had been lurking for awhile, reading the posts. At first the
> posters weren't sure it was her since her posts weren't in VIP
> color. But enough of them sensed it was her from what she was
> saying. Then she told them to ask Joss a certain question when
> he next came on, and they knew it was her. She seemed more upset
> about the questions and remarks about her weight than about the
> storyline.
Sounds like more fallout from the media's silly anorexia thing against
SMG. Some people latch on to that and post ever-so-intensely about
SMG's body wait, and next thing you know, the topic of the day is
"skinny and fat".
Too bad. I wish people would learn to have some skepticism of the
mass media. My suggestion is, give the mainstream media the
skepticism you think is due the tabloids. (and give the tabloids the
skepticism you think is due random words on a ouija board.)
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Rose
>Date: 5/5/2000 11:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <tu46hsc9t20g98lg7...@4ax.com>
>
>On 5 May 2000 16:37:58 GMT, ti...@enteract.bottblock.com wrote:
>
>>::grin::
>>
>>Anyone know an address to send her fan mail?
>
>I've seen this one given out on a W/T list:
>
>Amber Benson
>c/o Buffy the Vampire Slayer
>The Warner Brothers Television Network
>4000 Warner Boulevard
>Burbank
>CA 91522
>USA
>
I'm gonna write too! Justice for Amber! :)
vicpusateri
wrote:
Snip Amber Benson's wonderful comments...
>You know, I never thought much about Tara, but I must say that
Amber just won me over.
I'm with Kathryn. Wow, that was great to read. And I hope the
people who said nasty things realize how hurtful they were.
victoria p.
Miss July
--
Bayliss: "So does the violence make them stupid or does the
stupidity lead to violence?"
Munch: "Well, that's chicken and egg semantics. The important
point is that we win certain cases because our brains are
repositories for intelligence and their brains are day-old banana
pudding." _Homicide: Life on the Street_
Eric F.
> I'm with Kathryn. Wow, that was great to read. And I hope the people who said nasty things realize how > hurtful they were.
I hung out in The Bronze long enough to post a message of support for
Amber & to find out the folks who were attacking her were apparently not
regulars on the board.
This leads me to believe they were just trolls or something.
And I also saw many positive posts supporting her & I read some posts
she wrote thanking those who supported her.
I think she'll be OK... :)
Later,
Eric F., Buffy Fan
----
Anya: It's the normal part of ending a relationship, right before the
vengeance begins.
Xander: Right. No! Vengeance? ("Where The Wild Things Are")
starwolf1999
vicpusateri <vicpusate...@worldnet.att.net.invalid> wrote:
>In article <8etuk9$5gp$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, sxgo...@my-deja.com
>wrote:
>Snip Amber Benson's wonderful comments...
>>You know, I never thought much about Tara, but I must say that
>Amber just won me over.
>
>people who said nasty things realize how hurtful they were.
>
>Miss July
>
>
Here is a selection of joss's posts from 4:00:00 to 7:59:59 AM on
May 4. He got on the Bronze about 4 hours after Amber. He had
to drive Kai to the airport, which is why he was posting so
early.
joss says: Since we're on the subject of cool chicks,
let's take a moment for Marti. loved that
script. Loved that candle bit at the end,
romantic to the nth.
____
Just scrolled about to read AMBER'S posts.
She is the cool one. As for her extreme
beauty, well, that's a given.
People were dissing her weight?
TAhahahhahahahaha. She is the
shape of goodness. Actually, she
does look even thinner in person
-- saw her yesterday and thought
she might be losing weight and
thought: if she ends up getting
TV skinny I'll leave the damn
show. Her body is... come to
think of it, I'm VERY VERY
MARRIED and have NO OPINION about
Amber's body. But saying she has
a weight issue is like saying
Julia Roberts is too scowly.
Grrrr.
___
Not much.... time left.... must... drive Kai to
airport... But... on subjects other than my
sensitive, noble and politically motivated
commitment to hot girl-on-girl action,
I've heard some grumblings about all the
pre-marital sex on the show.
Personally, I don't see the problem.
I believe that POST-marital sex is a sin
(something Kai's getting angrier
and angrier about -- what's her
problem?), but as for the sweatyization
of BUFFY, we the writer types just felt that
was a natural stage in the development
of young adults. A college thing. It lacks the
tortured romance thing, sorry, but it just
felt realistic. But don't worry!
There's always torure on the horizon!
Yay, torture!
___
___
end joss says.
Does this mean that Kai is pregnant? I've noticed when a guy
says he is very, very married, that is what he sometimes means.
George Avalos
<t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>Sounds like more fallout from the media's silly anorexia thing
against
>SMG. Some people latch on to that and post ever-so-intensely
about
>SMG's body wait, and next thing you know, the topic of the day
is
>"skinny and fat".
>
>Too bad. I wish people would learn to have some skepticism of
the
>mass media. My suggestion is, give the mainstream media the
>skepticism you think is due the tabloids. (and give the
tabloids the
>skepticism you think is due random words on a ouija board.)
Preach it brother! I'm one of the scribblers in the
much-hated mass media (hey, maybe Buffy should have been dating
the mass media, and not Riley!)
Anyone who isn't skeptical about what appears in their newspaper,
on TV, or on the radio, even stuff that's been fully vetted by
editors and reporters, is a fool.
And the obsession about Gellar has become pathetic, beyond
pathetic, even. Check out the pix of Gellar and Prinze Jr. She's
petite but she's not Flockhart scrawny. Far from it.
BTW, you're 100 % wrong about the mainstream news outlets'
standards being as low as tabloids. But when it comes to complete
veracity, the mass media are almost as many light years from
the unvarnished truth as you can get and still be in the same
galaxy.
--George
R Nolan
<jcy56N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:
> Here's the post:
> breasts and hips and I
> am very
> > happy that they are part
> > of me. I weigh 118 and I am 5'4". If you
> saw me in real
> life, you
> > would think I was on the thin
> > side. But on tv, next to my very petite
> costars, I do like
> heavier.
> > I am PROUD to be NORMAL. A
> > body is a beautiful thing to waste.
> Believe me, I have seen
> enough
> > of my friends and peers
> > waste away to NOTHING so that they could
> work in this
> industry. So
> > that they could perpetuate
> > the LIE that ANOREXIA is Beautiful. IT IS
> NOT. YOU ARE
> BEAUTIFUL.
> > ALL OF YOU. Just for
> Network *
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She actually sounds like an arrogant cow to me, but I don't think she
is overweight in the slightest .Yours
Robert A. Barr
R N
>
> She actually sounds like an arrogant cow to me, but I don't think she
> is overweight in the slightest .Yours
Gosh, what a thoughtful comment.
starwolf1999
fyl...@aol.compliant (Rose) wrote:
>>Subject: Re: Amber Benson hurt by fans remarks about...
>>Date: 5/5/00 5:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <17433910...@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com>
the past. I
>am an opinionated hussy and I am bad at keeping my trap shut.
>
>However, after reading this, I realize Joss is a gentleman and a
scholar, and I
>am a big, big fan of him as a person, not just as a TV producer.
>
>Joss rules!
>
>
He definitely does! This is Amber's final post from yesterday
morning, about 01:16 AM.
Amber says: Thank you guys sooooo much. I feel a lot better.
I talked to Joss today and he told me about
the whole sexual preference CONTROVERSY thing, but neglected
to mention the tara bashing stuff. I went online to see what
was up and was just flabbergasted, ya know? I guess I'm still a
big kid 'cause it stung. thanks for the cheer up Kenickie and
Crimson and the rest of you guys. I guess I needed a little
drool. Well, i'm gonna hit the hay. Thanks again. You late night
babes (all of you!) are definitely my type.
end of Amber says.
I too must go hit the hay. Gotta love a person who talks like
that! TTFN.
B. Richardson
> However, after reading this, I realize Joss is a gentleman and a scholar
A scholar? He may be, but how did you get that from his post at The Bronze?
HUBERRULES
predictably and annoyingly PC and it adds nothing to the show, and in fact does
nothing but make it more a relationship soap opera show than it regretfully
already was fast becoming...BUT there is no reason to criticize Amber about her
weight...she is attractive and doesn't need to lose ANY weight...I vote for
dropping the Lesbian storyline, but not dropping any pounds...SMG is beginning
to look scary due to her weight loss...
Lorelai
>Wow, I just wrote my first piece of fanmail. Tara Rocks!!
>
Amber absolutely, positively ROCKS!
I'm so glad she had the gut to stand up against this criticism. She's RIGHT!
Thanks to whoever posted the address for the fan mail <g>
Laura
Spikeaholic, Xanderista
W/T, S/H, X/C, B/A, W/K
http://www.clandenial.org
Rose
However, after reading this, I realize Joss is a gentleman and a scholar, and I
Jeff Kohn
"JY" <jcy56N...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:05960b2c...@usw-ex0105-038.remarq.com...
> Here's the post:
>
> [snip]
>
Well, I don't know what exactly was being posted on those message boards,
but most of the posts I have seen here criticizing Tara (aside from the gay
issue) have been more about her demeanor/personality than anything else,
which is a criticism of the character and not the actor. As for the whole
weight issue, not everyone who is thin has an eating disorder.
All in all I think her post was pretty whiny. If she wants to have a career
as an actress I think she going to need to grow a thicker skin. Because
there will always be criticism; even was the stereotype Hollywood beauty
types have to endure all kinds of criticism. She certainly shouldn't be
reading internet message boards where the anonymous nature of the medium
causes many people to behave even worse than normally.
Jeff
Jeff Kohn
"sh" <sh...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
news:2d06hs8iv4qepube3...@4ax.com...
> Riddler <rid...@aye.net> wrote:
>
> (what is it with smaller women being the most popular actresses?)
You can't make it big in Hollywood if you're taller than Tom Cruise, Mel
Gibson, et al.
:)
Jeff
John Baker
fyl...@aol.compliant says...
> You know, if Amber steals my Forgie from me, she is going to lose all of my
> good will... ;p
aawwwwwwww... you know in my heart I'm ever yours Rose.
John Baker
spam.please.houston.rr.com says...
> You can't make it big in Hollywood if you're taller than Tom Cruise, Mel
> Gibson, et al.
...unless you're Geena Davis, Kirstie Alley, Kristen Scott Thomas, or
some others... but yeah. And it was exceedingly difficult a few years ago
when you couldn't be taller than Sly Stallone (5'7").
Rose
>Date: 5/5/00 11:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3913BC27...@ix.netcom.com>
>
>Rose wrote:
>
>> However, after reading this, I realize Joss is a gentleman and a scholar
>
>A scholar? He may be, but how did you get that from his post at The Bronze?
>
>
"A gentleman and a scholar" is a figure of speech, a way of praising someone.
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ROSE: 5-ft-5 inches and 133 pounds of salty goodness!
Willow_R
> FWIW I think Amber Benson is a good weight and has a lovely, lovely face.
IMO
> Willow gets the better end of the deal. ;)
I dissagree, Amber may be a cutie but Alyson is posativly angelic! (No, not
in a brooding vampire way ;) )
kiros
> > Gibson, et al.
>
> ...unless you're Geena Davis, Kirstie Alley, Kristen Scott Thomas, or
> some others... but yeah. And it was exceedingly difficult a few years ago
> when you couldn't be taller than Sly Stallone (5'7").
I saw an interview with Minnie Driver recently. When she was doing press for
Return to Me. She said that she's had plenty of problems getting parts,
because at 5'10" most actors are unwilling to work with her because they're
all so small!
kiros
Both Amber and Sarah were born in 1977. At least that's what is listed at
imdb.com
So they're both 23.
yasm...@my-deja.com
John Baker wrote:
>
> In article <iKLQ4.1517$hW....@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, jkohn@no-
> spam.please.houston.rr.com says...
> > You can't make it big in Hollywood if you're taller than Tom Cruise, Mel
> > Gibson, et al.
>
> ...unless you're Geena Davis, Kirstie Alley, Kristen Scott Thomas, or
> some others... but yeah. And it was exceedingly difficult a few years ago
> when you couldn't be taller than Sly Stallone (5'7").
That's how tall he is? That's it?
I am so disillusioned now.
Jennifer
Mac Breck
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"Jeff Kohn" <jk...@no-spam.please.houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> "sh" <sh...@spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:2d06hs8iv4qepube3...@4ax.com...
> > Riddler <rid...@aye.net> wrote:
> >
> > (what is it with smaller women being the most popular actresses?)
>
> You can't make it big in Hollywood if you're taller than Tom Cruise, Mel
> Gibson, et al.
>
> :)
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
Tom Breton
>
> joss says:
[]
> she might be losing weight and
> thought: if she ends up getting
> TV skinny I'll leave the damn
> show. Her body is... come to
> think of it, I'm VERY VERY
> MARRIED and have NO OPINION about
> Amber's body. But saying she has
> a weight issue is like saying
> Julia Roberts is too scowly.
> Grrrr.
[]
> end joss says.
>
> Does this mean that Kai is pregnant? I've noticed when a guy
> says he is very, very married, that is what he sometimes means.
Whoa, that's reading way too much into it. Think of this scene:
Kai: (Icicles dripping from every word) What's this you wrote on the
posting board about Amber Benson's body, *Joseph*?
See his point now?
Tom Breton
This is just the sort of post I was complaining about.
SMG has said that she is fine. From TV Guide:
"I've always been a skinny little thing. Yes, I did at one
point have a little baby fat and I did lose that. But I'm a
5-foot 2 tiny-boned person. My mother is a tiny-boned
person. I work like a dog on the show. Maybe some actresses
do have anorexia, but I certainly don't."
I'm going to bind a command to insert that message automatically,
because people just keep repeating the SMG-anorexia rumor over and
over.
Erin
>This is just the sort of post I was complaining about.
>
>SMG has said that she is fine. From TV Guide:
>
> "I've always been a skinny little thing. Yes, I did at one
> point have a little baby fat and I did lose that. But I'm a
> 5-foot 2 tiny-boned person. My mother is a tiny-boned
> person. I work like a dog on the show. Maybe some actresses
> do have anorexia, but I certainly don't."
>
>I'm going to bind a command to insert that message automatically,
>because people just keep repeating the SMG-anorexia rumor over and
>over.
Agreed. SMG is fine, she's on the thin side, but she looks good. My
only caveat would be that it's difficult to "sell" yourself as an
action hero if you get *too* thin. Compare SMG to other female action
heroes like Lucy Lawless, Renee O'Connor, and Vicki Pratt (from
Cleo2525), and you see what I mean. Even with slayer-enhanced
strength, you've still got to look like you've got some muscle to back
up that punch.
Lisa nor Jeff
would state the things attributed to her about the uncomplimentary
postings.
As others have said, anyone in this business has to have a thick skin.
The minute they appear on the screen, there will be critics about EVERY
aspect of their appearance, dress, demenaor, and artistic performance.
Further, opinions on the Internet (posting boards and Usenet) are not at
all representative of public opinion or anything authoritative; and
should never be taken seriously. (The same applies to Joss' posting
his response to the lesbian "complaints".)
Undoubtedly there are a few viewers out there who think Benson is fat.
And a few who think she's skinny. And a few who object to the
Tara/Willow thing; just like there's a few who object to the way the US
military is portrayed. The key point is "a FEW".
starwolf1999
<t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
<snip joss and starwolf>
>
>Whoa, that's reading way too much into it. Think of this scene:
>
>Kai: (Icicles dripping from every word) What's this you wrote
on the
> posting board about Amber Benson's body, *Joseph*?
>
>See his point now?
>
>Tom Breton, http://world.std.com/~tob
>Not using "gh" since 1997.
http://world.std.com/~tob/ugh-free.html
>BTVS geek code, http://world.std.com/~tob/btvs-geek-code.html
>1+ 2+++ 3- 4- W--- R@ F+ A- Dar++ J+ A&B--- W&Moloch+++ T&O++
X&C+
>X&Ay--- XL+++ Cru--- Gav--- JW- SMG++++ ED+ MN- DF- DP@ JE+
>
>
who suddenly realizes that the Internet and Hollywood are a lot
alike when it comes to info getting around! A great light of
understanding bursts in upon me now! Save yourself, Joss! LOL!
(I liked the icicles part!)
B. Richardson
> On Sat, 6 May 2000 17:39:32 GMT, Tom Breton <t...@world.std.com> wrote:
>
> >This is just the sort of post I was complaining about.
> >
> >SMG has said that she is fine. From TV Guide:
> >
> > "I've always been a skinny little thing. Yes, I did at one
> > point have a little baby fat and I did lose that. But I'm a
> > 5-foot 2 tiny-boned person. My mother is a tiny-boned
> > person. I work like a dog on the show. Maybe some actresses
> > do have anorexia, but I certainly don't."
> >
> >I'm going to bind a command to insert that message automatically,
> >because people just keep repeating the SMG-anorexia rumor over and
> >over.
>
> Agreed. SMG is fine, she's on the thin side, but she looks good. My
> only caveat would be that it's difficult to "sell" yourself as an
> action hero if you get *too* thin. Compare SMG to other female action
> heroes like Lucy Lawless, Renee O'Connor, and Vicki Pratt (from
> Cleo2525), and you see what I mean. Even with slayer-enhanced
> strength, you've still got to look like you've got some muscle to back
> up that punch.
I think you're right and if Sarah had looked like she does now back when
they were casting Buffy, she probably wouldn't have gotten the role. I
still think she looks great, but I have to agree she doesn't "look" like
a Slayer anymore.
starwolf1999
contains SMG++++. To me that says that given the chance, you'd
walk barefoot on broken glass through flamethrowers to eat
mudpies with Sarah if she invited you. Right? Or at least a
veggieburger or three? <G>
Chandy19
>I find it hard to believe that a professional and experienced actress
>would state the things attributed to her about the uncomplimentary
>postings.
>
>As others have said, anyone in this business has to have a thick skin.
>The minute they appear on the screen, there will be critics about EVERY
>aspect of their appearance, dress, demenaor, and artistic performance.
>
everyone has feelings. No-one enjoys being insulted.
Macaulay Connor: It can't be anything like love, can it?
Tracey Lord: No, no, it can't be.
Macaulay Connor: Would it be inconvenient?
Tracey Lord: Terribly.
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Ian J. Ball
chan...@aol.com (Chandy19) wrote:
> >I find it hard to believe that a professional and experienced actress
> >would state the things attributed to her about the uncomplimentary
> >postings.
> >
> >As others have said, anyone in this business has to have a thick skin.
> >The minute they appear on the screen, there will be critics about EVERY
> >aspect of their appearance, dress, demenaor, and artistic performance.
>
> everyone has feelings. No-one enjoys being insulted.
Also, the way that would be said to someone auditioning for a part
(Producer: "Well Miss Benson, we just don't think you are quite right for
this part. We were thinking of someone who was a little more... petite. No
hard feelings...") and how such things are usually said on usenet (Inane
Poster: "Hey, [insert actor or actress here] is *BUTT* ugly! He/She looks
like a horse! HA HA HA HA HA HA.") is quite different.
Frankly, I'm awestruck that *any* actor would be naive enough to read
posts on usenet or bulletin board themselves! I thought they had all been
warned long ago that reading such posts wouldn't be worth their time
because of the high incidence of stupid posters and the likely volume of
vicious personal attacks that are often found online.
If I was advising a celebrity, I'd tell them to get a personal assistant
to read the stuff, and then have them only bring to the celebrity the
posts that were either complimentary or at least rational (non-personal)
criticism.
--
Ian J. Ball | "I'm not going to have somebody probing my mind,
Ph.D. Chemist, | looking for things that aren't there!"
& TV lover | - Tricia Dennison McNeil, CBS's Y&R
ib...@socal.rr.com | http://members.aol.com/IJBall/WWW/TV.html
B. Richardson
> If I was advising a celebrity, I'd tell them to get a personal assistant
> to read the stuff, and then have them only bring to the celebrity the
> posts that were either complimentary or at least rational (non-personal)
> criticism.
They probably only read these things on a whim if at all so I can't see
anyone actually hiring a personal assistant to filter them.
Tom Breton
> Frankly, I'm awestruck that *any* actor would be naive enough to read
> posts on usenet or bulletin board themselves! I thought they had all been
> warned long ago that reading such posts wouldn't be worth their time
> because of the high incidence of stupid posters and the likely volume of
> vicious personal attacks that are often found online.
Wish someone had warned *me* about the hie incidence of stupid posters
when I got on the net. }:) But that was way back in the stone age...
Tom Breton
> Now, Tom, don't get your rile up!
You're rite, I overreacted. But I've sat on my hands for a hundred
repititions of "SMG is anorexic" already.
> I notice that your geek code
> contains SMG++++. To me that says that given the chance, you'd
> walk barefoot on broken glass through flamethrowers to eat
> mudpies with Sarah if she invited you. Right? Or at least a
> veggieburger or three? <G>
There is no woman who ever lived whom I would do that for. But I mite
sweep up a few shards of broken glass near some mean-looking
candles...
Lisa nor Jeff
Any person who wants to get anywhere in life has to develop a thick skin
and let insults roll off "like water off a duck's back". This is not
to justify insults or rude behavior, but to recognize it is part of life.
Any person in the public eye, from being a coach on their local soccer
term to being a politician or actor, is gonna get criticized. Any
manager over people in a company will get criticized. If any of these
people are to function at all, they can't let unfair criticism bother them.
> Frankly, I'm awestruck that *any* actor would be naive enough to read
> posts on usenet or bulletin board themselves! I thought they had all been
> warned long ago that reading such posts wouldn't be worth their time
> because of the high incidence of stupid posters and the likely volume of
> vicious personal attacks that are often found online.
Internet postings are not representative of anything.
Plenty of people still write conventional mail, and undoubtedly Benson's
mailbag will have plenty of strange, even creepy letters. Renee O'Connor
(Xena's Gabrielle) said she gets lots of mail from prison inmates
for some reason.
And once an actor is well known enough, people will stop him/her on
the street and express their opinion. Most will be complimentary, but
some will be nasty.
John Baker
> > > You can't make it big in Hollywood if you're taller than Tom Cruise, Mel
> > > Gibson, et al.
John Baker:
> > ...unless you're Geena Davis, Kirstie Alley, Kristen Scott Thomas, or
> > some others... but yeah. And it was exceedingly difficult a few years ago
> > when you couldn't be taller than Sly Stallone (5'7").
Jennifer:
> That's how tall he is? That's it?
>
> I am so disillusioned now.
Yeah, my former boss's wife worked as a stylist at Universal Studios for
a while when they were doing a Sly movie several years back. At 5'10"
(she's a model) she almost towered over him.
Ian J. Ball
<btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Personally, if I was an actor who was a cast member of a (internet
popular) TV show, I think I'd have a PA keep up with the show's newsgroup,
and bring me anything I thought was relevant. But that's me...
yasm...@my-deja.com
I repeat. I am now disillusioned. I knew how tall -- not -- the
adopted Aussies mentioned were, but I thought Sly was tall. He's
barely average height. Piffle.
Sigh,
Jennifer
Rose
>Date: 5/6/00 8:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <8f2oi6$5...@netaxs.com>
>
>> > everyone has feelings. No-one enjoys being insulted.
>
>Any person who wants to get anywhere in life has to develop a thick skin
>and let insults roll off "like water off a duck's back". This is not
>to justify insults or rude behavior, but to recognize it is part of life.
>
>Any person in the public eye, from being a coach on their local soccer
>term to being a politician or actor, is gonna get criticized. Any
>manager over people in a company will get criticized. If any of these
>people are to function at all, they can't let unfair criticism bother them.
>
Oy vey. The people with power where I work let *Fair* criticism bother them,
let alone unfair criticism.
Yes, one needs to develope a thick skin if one can, but from what I see, most
people never cease to be bothered somewhat by criticism.
David T. Anderson
<starwolf19...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
> She seemed more upset
> about the questions and remarks about her weight than about the
> storyline.
Actually, I find it quite refreshing to see a young woman of 'normal'
proportions on a popular TV show. While watching Buffy last night, I
found myself thinking, while Willow and Tara were shown in profile,
facing each other "Hey, Willow has no breasts!". Now doubtless she
does, but it's sure not obvious....
If anything is making Tara look unattractive on the show, it's the
sad-sack expression she wears so much and that gosh-awful wardrobe.
The clothes look like exactly the sort of thing many girls and young
women wear to disguise their shape...whether too thin, or heavy or
just 'unsure'. Maybe we're going to see Tara blossom a bit now that
she's in a romantic relationship?
David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
Mac Breck
news:yQbYdTtdfC2H-pn2-87iXUw9ibLmo@localhost...
> On Fri, 5 May 2000 06:14:08, starwolf1999
> <starwolf19...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > She seemed more upset
> > about the questions and remarks about her weight than about the
> > storyline.
>
> Actually, I find it quite refreshing to see a young woman of 'normal'
> proportions on a popular TV show. While watching Buffy last night, I
> found myself thinking, while Willow and Tara were shown in profile,
> facing each other "Hey, Willow has no breasts!". Now doubtless she
> does, but it's sure not obvious....
>
> If anything is making Tara look unattractive on the show, it's the
> sad-sack expression she wears so much and that gosh-awful wardrobe.
Just don't hang right, do they?
Mac
John R. Cooper
wrote:
>I find it hard to believe that a professional and experienced actress
>would state the things attributed to her about the uncomplimentary
>postings.
>
>As others have said, anyone in this business has to have a thick skin.
>The minute they appear on the screen, there will be critics about EVERY
>aspect of their appearance, dress, demenaor, and artistic performance.
In the past, interacting with the fans, or the public at large, was
not particularly easy. Today, the Internet makes it easy and safe for
anyone to express an opinion or respond to the complaints of others. I
suspect that the current generation of young actors who have grown up
in the digital age are much more inclined to interact with the public
online than any previous generation of actors.
I think you'll see more and more of this in the future, from both
actors and writer/producers like Joss and JMS. Someone like Joss can
directly express his opinions without anyone editing his words, and he
doesn't have to wait for a magazine to conduct an interview for his
thoughts and opinions to be read. For anyone inclined to interact with
the fanbase, the Internet presents a Brave New World of unheard-of
interactive possibilities.
>Further, opinions on the Internet (posting boards and Usenet) are not at
>all representative of public opinion or anything authoritative; and
>should never be taken seriously. (The same applies to Joss' posting
>his response to the lesbian "complaints".)
This is becoming less and less true every day though. The Internet
has gained enough critical mass and momentum that it can no longer be
regarded as merely a refuge for the lunatic fringe. At this point, I'm
not sure _what_ it represents, but it sure seems to represent the
thoughts and feelings of an awful LOT of people now.
>Undoubtedly there are a few viewers out there who think Benson is fat.
>And a few who think she's skinny. And a few who object to the
>Tara/Willow thing; just like there's a few who object to the way the US
>military is portrayed. The key point is "a FEW".
I hope that consoles her in times like this. Even the most adored
celebrities have their share of people who loathe them. To highly
sensitive people, it isn't about the numbers, but the viciousness of
their words and the depth of their hatred or disdain.
It is probably quite shocking to anyone with a sweet demeanor (like
Amber) to learn that _anyone_ hates you or disapproves of you. Sure,
show biz is brutal this way, but many young actors, depending on their
background, won't know this going in and will have to learn it the
hard way.
Cheers,
- John
R Nolan
<rba...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> R N
> >
> > She actually sounds like an arrogant cow to me, but I don't
> think she
> > is overweight in the slightest .Yours
> Gosh, what a thoughtful comment.
One tries .Yours
starwolf1999
dta...@agt.net (David T. Anderson) wrote:
>On Fri, 5 May 2000 06:14:08, starwolf1999
><starwolf19...@netscape.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>> She seemed more upset
>> about the questions and remarks about her weight than about
the
>> storyline.
>
>Actually, I find it quite refreshing to see a young woman of
'normal'
>proportions on a popular TV show. While watching Buffy last
night, I
>found myself thinking, while Willow and Tara were shown in
profile,
>facing each other "Hey, Willow has no breasts!". Now doubtless
she
>does, but it's sure not obvious....
>
>If anything is making Tara look unattractive on the show, it's
the
>sad-sack expression she wears so much and that gosh-awful
wardrobe.
young
>women wear to disguise their shape...whether too thin, or heavy
or
>just 'unsure'. Maybe we're going to see Tara blossom a bit now
that
>she's in a romantic relationship?
>
>David T. Anderson
>Calgary, Alberta
>
>
as to the backstory she has received from Joss. No doubt he has
a character arc in mind, and also no doubt he hasn't told Amber
what it is. So she has to rely on mining the scripts for
character bits, and paying close attention to the writers and
directors, who hopefully have been told the arc. (You'd think
so, anyway!)
But I agree, being in a relationship should help a shy, insecure
(and powerfully talented) witch blossom.
I would like to return to Mighty Midwest U., my alma mater, and
see what the co-eds are wearing these days. Could be an eye
opener! What if they are all dressed like Buffy, or Willow or
Anya or Tara? What would you think that meant?
George Avalos
nor Jeff) wrote:
>Undoubtedly there are a few viewers out there who think Benson
is fat.
>And a few who think she's skinny. And a few who object to the
>Tara/Willow thing; just like there's a few who object to the way
the US
>military is portrayed. The key point is "a FEW".
Actually, another key point is you have no way to *know* if the
correct valuation for any of these claims is "a few." And just as
importantly, you may have trouble being able to *show* that any
of these claims are correct.
--George
Anthony Stephens
> And once an actor is well known enough, people will stop him/her on
> the street and express their opinion. Most will be complimentary, but
> some will be nasty.
Heard a story about Tony Danza - he was in a play of some sort, and was handing
out free tickets for it. Someone (who I know) was in the area, and kept hearing
the line "Hi, I'm Tony Danza, I'm in this play - wold you like a ticket?"
So the guy I know gets targeted next. The conversation goes about so:
"Hi, I'm Tony Danza. Would you like a ticket to my show?"
"You're Tony Danza? You know, your show sucked!"
"So, you don't want a ticket, then?"
Assuming this story is true, then Bravo to TD for coming back like that.
Totally irrelevant, but moderatly amusing, at least to me...
--
Anthony Stephens
Dark Knight Productions
http://www.Dark-Knight.com