AOQ Review 6-13: "Older And Faraway"
Arbitrar Of Quality
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
(or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
Director: Michael E. Gershman
Okay, before I talk about anything else, quoted without further
comment:
XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
find much in common. And if you happen to form-
XANDER: Ahn-
ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
XANDER: Ahn-
ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
to, yay!
Dawn's looking older lately, particularly with the costuming choices,
but acting younger. This episode is in large part about her, and
she's central to bringing about the premise. Yet she's also the
center of everything wrong with "Older And Faraway," which is quite
a good show otherwise. I think I'd have been happier had it ended
with her getting trapped in a magic sword and never let out, though.
Just one of those days.
Basically, Dawn takes things very personally when people are having one
of those days where they simply have other stuff going on and can't
spend time with her. Hey, remember last episode when Buffy was all
about spending an evening together, but Dawn, having her own friends
and such, was the one who had other plans? I hope I'm not the only
one paying attention to the plot. Things do click a little more when,
thanks to reading ATBVS, one considers Dawn's ignored attempts
throughout the season to become a Scoobie to be part of the setup here,
but it's still not as clear a path as it could be. So, she talks to
a guidance counselor who we haven't seen before, causing both Mrs. Q.
and me to immediately proclaim "evil." True enough. Although
technically we have seen her before, but that fact doesn't actually
add anything to this story. By the way, is it just me, or have
Dawn's grades been on a perpetual slide ever since she was first
introduced? Where do they still have to slip *from*?
A bunch of people crash at our hero's place. Many characters, some
pretty worthless, are involved here, but I think that's important, to
give it the sense of being a real, if low-key, party. Having so many
bodies together makes this episode stand out as a moment of gathering.
No one seems especially thrilled to be there, but no one seems in a
hurry to leave either, like it's a good place to chill a little and
turn one's brain off. Reminds me of a lot of the times I've spent
with my friends. So it has to be called a mild success; consider that
no one can bring themselves to leave, and that this doesn't stand out
as unnatural to either the characters or the audience until well into
the night. The device of a house that can't be escaped is a classic
that hasn't made it to the show before now. I'm happy with these
scenes, particularly the one with the parallel Monopoly and non-kitten
poker games going on. Even though we never get to know much about
Richard (one of the rare cases of overlapping names in the Buffyverse),
and even though Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
midway through the episode.
Willow falters with her gift for Buffy, unless she specifically meant
for its other potential uses to come to mind, but Xander and Anya
manage a nice present this year, as does Dawn with some extenuating
circumstances. I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
"security" tag isn't doing its job...
Overall, Dawn takes teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
way. She also doesn't show much inclination to help try to fix or
make up for this situation that she's unwittingly helped create,
despite the fact that it's making her and everyone else miserable.
Little Sister's become quite the irritating character in the last few
episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
But while we're at it, you know how once Dawn storms away, everyone
else picks up on the potential significance, and they don't stop
considering it after her denials? Keep doing that, show, okay?
Actually, Drew Greenberg swings a little too much toward excess the
other way: Buffy seems to figure out too easily that there's a wish
and a Vengeance (excuse me, Justice) Demon involved.
I think I may have been missing Tara's presence as a member of the
group without really knowing it, since she adds something just by being
around. Her little bits of uncharacteristically acid tongue towards
Spike after the muscle cramp (itself a fun scene before Tara enters)
never cease to entertain. The first exchange with Willow I'd call
somewhere between "fine" and "great," appropriately enough.
Their last scene is still uncomfortable, and still in a way that feels
genuine; Tara as probation officer is interesting. There's a lot of
fondness for each other there, without discounting the baggage, and
probably like the two of them, I'm not sure whether I want them to
get back together or not. As a Willow fan I want to forgive her and
see her doing better, and as someone who's sympathized with Tara
during their falling out, I don't know if things should ever be
allowed to be okay after that.
Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all. For someone not in
Willow's mind, I can understand where her not helping would be
irritating - can I again mention that we could all use a little Anya
in our interactions? So often cutting to the core of things and just
ignoring the bullshit. "I don't know if there's even... anything I
could do." "Yes ... and a good way to find out is to sit around
and try nothing. That was sarcasm, by the way." "It's
dangerous." "And so is all of us dying!" But part of it is that
she doesn't understand, and Hannigan does a great job conveying that
with Willow's response. Tara defending her is a strong moment. Best
part of the show for me.
That demon seems really *annoying* to fight. It's a good action
sequence because that frustration comes through to the viewer, and
because no one seems guaranteed to be safe from minor injuries. I
quite like the Xander/Anya scenes this week, going back to the simple
tenderness that doesn't inspire much comment, but which was also used
to such good effect in S4 episodes like "Hush" and WTWTA.
Two things in this episode are really stupid but I laughed anyway, and
they're a character and an entire scene rather than individual
"moments." One of them is Clem. I just love the very existence of
this affable, slightly awkward but friendly guy who moves in Spike's
circles - too bad about the skin condition. The other is the
thoroughly predictable and obvious way in which the situation is
resolved by Hallie getting trapped in her own spell, played with just
the right light touch. "Oh, for crying out loud. Fine, the curse is
lifted!"
Not much of a big deal made about Buffy turning twenty-one. That's a
big milestone among most, if only because of the country's
ridiculously inflated drinking age. Of course, unlike our hero, most
twenty-one year olds have never touched a drop of alcohol in their
lives.
I like the last shot, as the sisters shut the audience out of the house
we've all been stuck in for the last hour. A little trite, but I
like it.
So...
One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
AOQ rating: Good
[Season Six so far:
1) "Bargaining" - Decent
2) "After Life" - Good
3) "Flooded" - Decent
4) "Life Serial" - Good
5) "All The Way" - Good
6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
8) "Smashed" - Decent
9) "Wrecked" - Good
10) "Gone" - Decent
11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
12) "Dead Things" - Good
13) "Older And Faraway" - Good]
(Harmony) Watcher
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> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
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>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
>
> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
>
preparation and precautions will bite you, such as Rack's dark magick.
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Elisi
I'm so glad you liked it - OAFA is a favourite of mine. And I've yet to
meet someone who doesn't like Clem... is he the show's first 'good'
demon? Anyway, I don't have much to add, except rec a little fic called
'Buffy Summers' Diary' (written as if Buffy sounded like Bridget
Jones). A most wonderful and entertaining piece of writing. No spoilers
of course! :)
vague disclaimer
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
>
> Overall, Dawn takes teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
"Does anybody even notice; does anybody even care"
From a teenager's point of view, I'm pretty certain it is impossible for
extremes to be ludicrous when attention seeking.
> I like the last shot, as the sisters shut the audience out of the house
> we've all been stuck in for the last hour. A little trite, but I
> like it.
Now why did that make me think of The Railway Children? That's just
trippy.
>
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
>
Odd one this. I really didn't care for it on first viewing (apart from
Tara's Spike smack down), but at each repeat viewing I've come to admire
its portrait of (almost) everyone trying to do more-or-less the right
thing, but not quite getting it.
--
Wikipedia: like Usenet, moderated by trolls
Apteryx
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
> Okay, before I talk about anything else, quoted without further
> comment:
> XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
> ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
> find much in common. And if you happen to form-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
> to, yay!
Yep, there's only one of those :)
> Dawn's looking older lately, particularly with the costuming choices,
> but acting younger. This episode is in large part about her, and
> she's central to bringing about the premise. Yet she's also the
> center of everything wrong with "Older And Faraway," which is quite
> a good show otherwise. I think I'd have been happier had it ended
> with her getting trapped in a magic sword and never let out, though.
> Just one of those days.
On my database for my video collection, I normally just record things
like dates and ratings etc. It has a small text field, but that's
mainly for technical notes like video quality rather than reviews.
However for this episode I felt compelled to add in that field the
warning "Whiniest Dawn ever". At least this is as bad as she gets, IMO
anyway :)
For me the episode has one other major flaw, which it shares with The
Wish. I can sort of accept the existence of vampires. Feeding on the
edges of the herd, particularly if like other cold blooded creatures,
they don't need to feed very often, they aren't going to threaten the
fbric of society. But if a civilization were afflicted by any
appreciable number of Vengeance Demons, listening for complaints, and
offering vengeance wishes to anyone who thought they needed it,
humanity would long since have gone the way of the Krell. It's one of
those issues that wasn't important at first, but just seems to bug me
after repeated viewings, with both The Wish and O&FA falling somewhat
from the initially high ratings I gave them.
> and me to immediately proclaim "evil." True enough. Although
> technically we have seen her before, but that fact doesn't actually
> add anything to this story.
More than once. And what the earlier occaision adds to this story is
the way Halfrek seems to recognise Spike (calling him William) but
Spike can't seem to place her.
> the night. The device of a house that can't be escaped is a classic
> that hasn't made it to the show before now.
If you don't count Fear Itself
> Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
> wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
> "security" tag isn't doing its job...
Indeed. The fact that the security tag is still on might in fact lead
the vigilant viewer to suspect that Dawn may be more than just a casual
shoplifter. With the tag on, that jacket presumably didn't go out the
shop's front door during trading hours - well unless the shop's
security system was fortuitously on the blink (or turned off as part of
an inside job). The tag suggests Dawn has links to staff pilferers, or
perhaps burglars. Are we about to discover the secret identity of the
shadowy leader of the Nerd so-called "Trio"? :)
> Overall, Dawn takes teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
> She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
> lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
> personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
> way. She also doesn't show much inclination to help try to fix or
> make up for this situation that she's unwittingly helped create,
> despite the fact that it's making her and everyone else miserable.
> Little Sister's become quite the irritating character in the last few
> episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
> cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
> one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
She goes way OTT here. It suggests she might be in need of professional
treatment, or, if Buffy can't afford that on her Doublemeat wages, a
clip round the ear.
> But while we're at it, you know how once Dawn storms away, everyone
> else picks up on the potential significance, and they don't stop
> considering it after her denials? Keep doing that, show, okay?
> Actually, Drew Greenberg swings a little too much toward excess the
> other way: Buffy seems to figure out too easily that there's a wish
> and a Vengeance (excuse me, Justice) Demon involved.
Well, she'd probably read the script.
> I think I may have been missing Tara's presence as a member of the
> group without really knowing it, since she adds something just by being
> around. Her little bits of uncharacteristically acid tongue towards
> Spike after the muscle cramp (itself a fun scene before Tara enters)
> never cease to entertain. The first exchange with Willow I'd call
> somewhere between "fine" and "great," appropriately enough.
I agree that Tara has been missed from the group. And given that Buffy
obviously wouldn't at this stage, she's the only one who could have
done the cramp gag.
> Willow's mind, I can understand where her not helping would be
> irritating - can I again mention that we could all use a little Anya
> in our interactions? So often cutting to the core of things and just
> ignoring the bullshit. "I don't know if there's even... anything I
> could do." "Yes ... and a good way to find out is to sit around
> and try nothing. That was sarcasm, by the way." "It's
> dangerous." "And so is all of us dying!" But part of it is that
> she doesn't understand, and Hannigan does a great job conveying that
> with Willow's response. Tara defending her is a strong moment. Best
> part of the show for me.
It does give a strong impression of just how scared Willow now is of
the effects of magic on her, and her determination not to give in to
it.
>
>
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
There is enough good stuff here to largely counteract the two big
flaws, but not enough to get it into Good territory for me - it's
merely Decent. Its my 110th favourite BtVS episode, 14th best in season
6
Apteryx
Rowan Hawthorn
I think that was a little sarcasm...
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Rowan Hawthorn
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
> Okay, before I talk about anything else, quoted without further
> comment:
> XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
> ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
> find much in common. And if you happen to form-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
> to, yay!
I'd bet that Buffy could echo that last sentence exactly - but in a
*much* different tone...
>I'm happy with these
> scenes, particularly the one with the parallel Monopoly and non-kitten
> poker games going on. Even though we never get to know much about
> Richard (one of the rare cases of overlapping names in the Buffyverse),
> and even though Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
> midway through the episode.
No great loss. One of those people who kinda make me go "Ick" and look
for the disinfectant soap.
>
> Willow falters with her gift for Buffy, unless she specifically meant
> for its other potential uses to come to mind,
Maybe it's just me, but I would *love* to take a peek inside Willow's
mind. I might quickly wish I *hadn't*, but...
> teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
Isn't that a redundant statement?
> She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
> lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
> personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
> way. She also doesn't show much inclination to help try to fix or
> make up for this situation that she's unwittingly helped create,
> despite the fact that it's making her and everyone else miserable.
> Little Sister's become quite the irritating character in the last few
> episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
> cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
> one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
Heh. Probably one of the most-often referenced scenes by the "We hate
Dawn Club." (I actually like Dawn - when you think about what she's
been through, what she's had to learn about herself, she really has had
a pretty rough year and a half - but she definitely could use a good
slap up side the head on occasion.)
> I think I may have been missing Tara's presence as a member of the
> group without really knowing it, since she adds something just by being
> around. Her little bits of uncharacteristically acid tongue towards
> Spike after the muscle cramp (itself a fun scene before Tara enters)
> never cease to entertain.
Still waters run deep, don't they? Who'd have envisioned quiet little
Tara having so much fun needling anyone, let alone Spike?
> The first exchange with Willow I'd call
> somewhere between "fine" and "great," appropriately enough.
> Their last scene is still uncomfortable, and still in a way that feels
> genuine; Tara as probation officer is interesting. There's a lot of
> fondness for each other there, without discounting the baggage, and
> probably like the two of them, I'm not sure whether I want them to
> get back together or not. As a Willow fan I want to forgive her and
> see her doing better, and as someone who's sympathized with Tara
> during their falling out, I don't know if things should ever be
> allowed to be okay after that.
That's the idea.
>
> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
Hehhehheh...
> For someone not in
> Willow's mind, I can understand where her not helping would be
> irritating - can I again mention that we could all use a little Anya
> in our interactions? So often cutting to the core of things and just
> ignoring the bullshit. "I don't know if there's even... anything I
> could do." "Yes ... and a good way to find out is to sit around
> and try nothing. That was sarcasm, by the way." "It's
> dangerous." "And so is all of us dying!" But part of it is that
> she doesn't understand, and Hannigan does a great job conveying that
> with Willow's response. Tara defending her is a strong moment. Best
> part of the show for me.
Mine, too.
> Two things in this episode are really stupid but I laughed anyway, and
> they're a character and an entire scene rather than individual
> "moments." One of them is Clem. I just love the very existence of
> this affable, slightly awkward but friendly guy who moves in Spike's
> circles - too bad about the skin condition.
Clem is a hoot.
> The other is the
> thoroughly predictable and obvious way in which the situation is
> resolved by Hallie getting trapped in her own spell, played with just
> the right light touch. "Oh, for crying out loud. Fine, the curse is
> lifted!"
>
And her frustrated "Damn!" as she disappears. Gee, after making such a
big deal out of "Dawn's Revenge," to have it fizzle out like that.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> but acting younger. This episode is in large part about her, and
> she's central to bringing about the premise. Yet she's also the
> center of everything wrong with "Older And Faraway," which is quite
> a good show otherwise. I think I'd have been happier had it ended
> with her getting trapped in a magic sword and never let out, though.
> Just one of those days.
whedon says that he made buffy as the girl who goes into the alley
and kills the monster
whiny dawn is the girl who goes into the alley
and gets killed by the monster
whats more whiny dawn brings a sword
polishes it
and hands it to the monster to do his bad stuff
i really dislike whiny dawn
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Opus the Penguin
> By the way, is it just me, or have
> Dawn's grades been on a perpetual slide ever since she was first
> introduced? Where do they still have to slip *from*?
Heh. That's pretty realistic actually. Lots of troubled kids go through
this cycle. Their grades slip. They get warned or punished. They pull
their grades up a bit. The sanctions are relaxed. The grades slip.
Lather rinse repeat.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
Mike Zeares
Apteryx wrote:
> Indeed. The fact that the security tag is still on might in fact lead
> the vigilant viewer to suspect that Dawn may be more than just a casual
> shoplifter. [snip] The tag suggests Dawn has links to staff pilferers, or
> perhaps burglars. Are we about to discover the secret identity of the
> shadowy leader of the Nerd so-called "Trio"? :)
This is perilously close to the "Evil Mistress Dawn" fanfics that are
floating around out there. Which are in turn just a tiny step from the
"Vamp Dawn, Queen of Bondage" fics. None of which I have ever read, of
course.
> She goes way OTT here. It suggests she might be in need of professional
> treatment, or, if Buffy can't afford that on her Doublemeat wages, a
> clip round the ear.
The Line to Smack Dawn forms behind me.
-- Mike Zeares
burt...@hotmail.com
> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
Or, gee, it's almost as if the writing is inconsistent on the subject.
Don Sample
"Elisi" <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm so glad you liked it - OAFA is a favourite of mine. And I've yet to
> meet someone who doesn't like Clem... is he the show's first 'good'
> demon?
There was Whistler in season 2, and the guy selling the Books of
Ascension in season 3 didn't seem like much of a threat to anyone.
--
Quando omni flunkus moritati
Visit the Buffy Body Count at <http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/>
Arbitrar Of Quality
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > the night. The device of a house that can't be escaped is a classic
> > that hasn't made it to the show before now.
>
> If you don't count Fear Itself
Point taken, but FI's house was about haunted-house antics and
manifested fears, whereas this is just a perfectly tranquil house
(before the sword, anyway) that characters are caged in and made to
bounce their personalities off each other.
-AOQ
Arbitrar Of Quality
You watch your show, I'll stick with mine.
-AOQ
burt...@hotmail.com
Which I would have been happy to do until you started trolling people
who disagree with you (that's two reviews in a row, now).
Don Sample
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
>
> So, she talks to
> a guidance counselor who we haven't seen before, causing both Mrs. Q.
> and me to immediately proclaim "evil." True enough. Although
> technically we have seen her before, but that fact doesn't actually
> add anything to this story.
We've seen her a couple of times before. The same actress played Cecily
back in "Fool For Love" leading to the endless "Was Cecily Halfrek?"
debate. And we saw her in "Doublemeat Palace" when she responded to
Anya's wedding invite, and tried to curse Xander.
> By the way, is it just me, or have
> Dawn's grades been on a perpetual slide ever since she was first
> introduced? Where do they still have to slip *from*?
She started out with A's, first they slipped to B's, and now she's
getting C's.
> Overall, Dawn takes teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
> She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
> lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
> personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
> way. She also doesn't show much inclination to help try to fix or
> make up for this situation that she's unwittingly helped create,
> despite the fact that it's making her and everyone else miserable.
> Little Sister's become quite the irritating character in the last few
> episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
> cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
> one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
Going back to the "Was Xander covering for Dawn in 'Once More With
Feeling'?" debate, Xander's comments here wouldn't make much sense if
that was the case.
> That demon seems really *annoying* to fight. It's a good action
> sequence because that frustration comes through to the viewer,
I thought it was very poorly done. It looked like they were rushed and
the director didn't have time to get all the coverage done, or Joss
decided to change all the dialogue during the fight in editing, so he
had to piece the fight together using clips that don't actually show
people saying anything. Pretty much all of the dialogue during the
fight seems to have been redone in ADR. We hardly see any of the actors
saying their lines; whenever anyone is talking the camera is on someone
else.
> Not much of a big deal made about Buffy turning twenty-one. That's a
> big milestone among most, if only because of the country's
> ridiculously inflated drinking age. Of course, unlike our hero, most
> twenty-one year olds have never touched a drop of alcohol in their
> lives.
The Buffyverse California seems to have a drinking age of 19. They've
all been shown drinking alcoholic beverages over the last couple of
years. In "Family" they made the point that the Bronze was checking IDs
and not allowing Dawn to drink, while the rest of them were.
vague disclaimer
burt...@hotmail.com wrote:
R-O-W-A-A-A-N!
I realise that technically you don't owe me a screen and keyboard for
this, but if you happen to have a spare...
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> back in "Fool For Love" leading to the endless "Was Cecily Halfrek?"
> debate. And we saw her in "Doublemeat Palace" when she responded to
> Anya's wedding invite, and tried to curse Xander.
the writers seem to think that cecily is halfrek
except for one anachronism (which could be blamed on cecily ignorance)
the time line fits
(Harmony) Watcher
"Don Sample" <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in message
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> In article <1155891041....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
> "Elisi" <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm so glad you liked it - OAFA is a favourite of mine. And I've yet to
> > meet someone who doesn't like Clem... is he the show's first 'good'
> > demon?
>
> There was Whistler in season 2, and the guy selling the Books of
> Ascension in season 3 didn't seem like much of a threat to anyone.
>
door-to-door not be a threat to anyone either? :)
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(Harmony) Watcher
"mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges"
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> > We've seen her a couple of times before. The same actress played Cecily
> > back in "Fool For Love" leading to the endless "Was Cecily Halfrek?"
> > debate. And we saw her in "Doublemeat Palace" when she responded to
> > Anya's wedding invite, and tried to curse Xander.
>
> the writers seem to think that cecily is halfrek
> except for one anachronism (which could be blamed on cecily ignorance)
> the time line fits
>
historical events in Buffyverse did not follow 100% of the timeline in the
viewer's universe. It's an anomaly. Too many teleportation flights from
vengeance demons disrupted the timeline; urapr gur arrq gb svyr syvtug
cynaf.
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(Harmony) Watcher
"Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> (Harmony) Watcher wrote:
> > "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1155888877.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> >> threads.
> >>
> >>
> >> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> >> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> >> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> >> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> >> Director: Michael E. Gershman
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
> >> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
> >> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
> >> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
> >> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
> >>
> > It never was. I see it as *some* streaks of magick without proper prior
> > preparation and precautions will bite you, such as Rack's dark magick.
>
> I think that was a little sarcasm...
>
the "addictive magick" metaphor than to AoQ. :)
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Rowan Hawthorn
> "Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cpydnfClfOeLKnjZ...@giganews.com...
>> (Harmony) Watcher wrote:
>>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1155888877.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
>>>> threads.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>>>> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
>>>> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
>>>> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
>>>> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
>>>> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
>>>> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
>>>> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
>>>> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
>>>>
>>> It never was. I see it as *some* streaks of magick without proper prior
>>> preparation and precautions will bite you, such as Rack's dark magick.
>> I think that was a little sarcasm...
>>
> Yes, indeed, his was
That's what I meant, yep.
> but mine wasn't. I was replying more to fans who hated
> the "addictive magick" metaphor than to AoQ. :)
Gotcha...
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"\(Harmony\) Watcher" <nob...@nonesuch.com> wrote:
> "mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges"
> <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:mair_fheal-1297B...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > > We've seen her a couple of times before. The same actress played Cecily
> > > back in "Fool For Love" leading to the endless "Was Cecily Halfrek?"
> > > debate. And we saw her in "Doublemeat Palace" when she responded to
> > > Anya's wedding invite, and tried to curse Xander.
> >
> > the writers seem to think that cecily is halfrek
> > except for one anachronism (which could be blamed on cecily ignorance)
> > the time line fits
> >
> OK, here's a solution. It is possible that the anachronism arose because the
> historical events in Buffyverse did not follow 100% of the timeline in the
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One Bit Shy
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> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> Okay, before I talk about anything else, quoted without further
> comment:
> XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
> ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
> find much in common. And if you happen to form-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
> to, yay!
There are a couple of Dawn moments I do enjoy. Probably the most is as
follow-up to above when Dawn and Anya speak alone about the setup, with Anya
patting her on the head and treating her as a child while agreeing that
she's all grown up now. It's funny and gets across Dawn's exasperation
nicely. It's also a bit exaggerated, which can be taken as good or bad.
But I mention it because of what you say below about Dawn acting younger. I
think that part of the point of her juvenile acting out is that she's not
being allowed to grow up. With most people not really paying attention to
her, she's frozen in time in their minds as the younger girl. Again, leave
it to Anya to reflect that so literally.
How successful that is can be debated. I think the point is valid - as is
the show's concept. But to me there is a stilted quality to its
presentation around Dawn that makes it feel forced, heavy handed, kind of a
lecture - like Halfrek's scolding lecture at the end.
> Dawn's looking older lately, particularly with the costuming choices,
> but acting younger. This episode is in large part about her, and
> she's central to bringing about the premise. Yet she's also the
> center of everything wrong with "Older And Faraway," which is quite
> a good show otherwise. I think I'd have been happier had it ended
> with her getting trapped in a magic sword and never let out, though.
> Just one of those days.
LOL! So, you're getting how irritating Dawn can be sometimes. We also get
a repeat of Get out! Get out! Get out! - which had been our first
introduction to Dawn physically sounding like nails on a blackboard. Poor
Dawn. Her role last year was both meatier and more sympathetic - giving MT
a chance to do a pretty good acting job. This year seems rather more aimed
at the annoying - and, well, with that in mind, MT seems a natural for that
too. Heh. But you're hardly the first one to suggest she's due for a
tragic end. Maybe Amy can turn her into a rat.
> So, she talks to
> a guidance counselor who we haven't seen before, causing both Mrs. Q.
> and me to immediately proclaim "evil." True enough. Although
> technically we have seen her before, but that fact doesn't actually
> add anything to this story.
It reminded me, though, of something about Doublmeat. Halfrek's little talk
with Anya then wasn't just writing gamesmenship to make everything about
trouble with Anya and Xander getting married. It was also about Halfrek's
character. That's what she does, how she acts. She's a vengeance demon,
and her skill is drawing out people's bad thoughts.
> Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
> midway through the episode.
She dances with Clem though, which for me is the highlight of the party as a
fun time. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just the two nice strangers having
a good time that prove the good vibes are real. It's also a contrast to
Richard's skepticism of Clem's skin condition. Maybe she's one of the
Sunnydale people that's quietly been around more demons than gets talked
about in polite company.
> Willow falters with her gift for Buffy, unless she specifically meant
> for its other potential uses to come to mind, but Xander and Anya
> manage a nice present this year, as does Dawn with some extenuating
> circumstances. I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
> warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
> else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
> Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
> wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
> "security" tag isn't doing its job...
I wondered how Dawn got out of the store with the security tag still on. I
guess we're not supposed to think of that. But I think the idea of this
theft is as extension to the notion that her stealing has psychologically
been a cry for attention. Here, at the climax of that story, and timed with
Buffy's birthday and the opportunity to make an impression, it becomes a
veritable scream. It's also probably a good idea to include one last bit
of shop lifting in the story that reveals it.
> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
> refusing to use.
One thing I find curious is that it appears that at one point Spike attempts
to step forward in defense of Willow - even before Tara - but quickly is
drowned out by the ongoing scene. I'm not entirely certain - it's very
brief - but I think so. Spike used to like Willow, so that would make
sense, but I didn't think he was on particularly friendly terms with her
since her spell to bring Buffy back, and wasn't into lauding the good
qualities of the Scoobies these days anyway since he wanted Buffy away from
them. So - don't know what to make of it. Just an observation.
> That demon seems really *annoying* to fight.
Yes, his flopping hair is very distracting.
> Two things in this episode are really stupid but I laughed anyway, and
> they're a character and an entire scene rather than individual
> "moments." One of them is Clem. I just love the very existence of
> this affable, slightly awkward but friendly guy who moves in Spike's
> circles - too bad about the skin condition.
Oh, cool. You like Clem. He's a sweetheart. Of course Spike was probably
ready to slug him when he innocently affirmed Tara's teasing insistence that
Richard was cute.
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
The action is good. The dramatic exchanges are genuinely sharp. Anya has a
really nice role this episode - a wide range of emotions and attitudes.
It's a worthy construct. And it has a nice appropriate ending with Buffy
staying in with Dawn when Dawn expects Buffy to leave.
But, still, an awful lot of it feels artificial, overdone. I have a hard
time letting go of that sense, so though I enjoy the episode, it doesn't
rise above Decent for me.
OBS
One Bit Shy
> In article <1155888877.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
>> So, she talks to
>> a guidance counselor who we haven't seen before, causing both Mrs. Q.
>> and me to immediately proclaim "evil." True enough. Although
>> technically we have seen her before, but that fact doesn't actually
>> add anything to this story.
>
> We've seen her a couple of times before. The same actress played Cecily
> back in "Fool For Love" leading to the endless "Was Cecily Halfrek?"
> debate. And we saw her in "Doublemeat Palace" when she responded to
> Anya's wedding invite, and tried to curse Xander.
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10144&img=
Personally I think the connection is silly and unnecessary. I'd just as
soon Cecily stay as is. But if people have fun with it, it's not all that
damaging either.
OBS
Elisi
One Bit Shy wrote:
> > Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
> > midway through the episode.
>
> She dances with Clem though, which for me is the highlight of the party as a
> fun time. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just the two nice strangers having
> a good time that prove the good vibes are real. It's also a contrast to
> Richard's skepticism of Clem's skin condition. Maybe she's one of the
> Sunnydale people that's quietly been around more demons than gets talked
> about in polite company.
Sophie/Clem is a well established ship! :)
> One thing I find curious is that it appears that at one point Spike attempts
> to step forward in defense of Willow - even before Tara - but quickly is
> drowned out by the ongoing scene. I'm not entirely certain - it's very
> brief - but I think so. Spike used to like Willow, so that would make
> sense, but I didn't think he was on particularly friendly terms with her
> since her spell to bring Buffy back, and wasn't into lauding the good
> qualities of the Scoobies these days anyway since he wanted Buffy away from
> them. So - don't know what to make of it. Just an observation.
Spike comes to the party because "Willow mentioned the shindig." They
obviously met at some point pre-party. And since he was the one to
comment that magic 'always has consequences' I guess he's maybe
impressed that Willow has given it up... or maybe just extra cautious.
If you're curious, here is a sad little ficlet speculating on what
might have happened (no spoilers):
http://www.allaboutspike.com/fic.html?id=723
One Bit Shy
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>
> One Bit Shy wrote:
>
>> > Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
>> > midway through the episode.
>>
>> She dances with Clem though, which for me is the highlight of the party
>> as a
>> fun time. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just the two nice strangers
>> having
>> a good time that prove the good vibes are real. It's also a contrast to
>> Richard's skepticism of Clem's skin condition. Maybe she's one of the
>> Sunnydale people that's quietly been around more demons than gets talked
>> about in polite company.
>
> Sophie/Clem is a well established ship! :)
Why am I not surprised? Well, they make a nice couple.
>> One thing I find curious is that it appears that at one point Spike
>> attempts
>> to step forward in defense of Willow - even before Tara - but quickly is
>> drowned out by the ongoing scene. I'm not entirely certain - it's very
>> brief - but I think so. Spike used to like Willow, so that would make
>> sense, but I didn't think he was on particularly friendly terms with her
>> since her spell to bring Buffy back, and wasn't into lauding the good
>> qualities of the Scoobies these days anyway since he wanted Buffy away
>> from
>> them. So - don't know what to make of it. Just an observation.
>
> Spike comes to the party because "Willow mentioned the shindig." They
> obviously met at some point pre-party. And since he was the one to
> comment that magic 'always has consequences' I guess he's maybe
> impressed that Willow has given it up... or maybe just extra cautious.
> If you're curious, here is a sad little ficlet speculating on what
> might have happened (no spoilers):
> http://www.allaboutspike.com/fic.html?id=723
Hmmm. Maybe. But I did forget that Willow mentioned the party... Not a lot
to go on is it?
OBS
Stephen Tempest
>And I've yet to
>meet someone who doesn't like Clem... is he the show's first 'good'
>demon?
No! He cheats at cards and eats kittens!
Stephen
Stephen Tempest
>Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
>Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
>refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
>the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
>wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all. For someone not in
>Willow's mind, I can understand where her not helping would be
>irritating - can I again mention that we could all use a little Anya
>in our interactions? So often cutting to the core of things and just
>ignoring the bullshit. "I don't know if there's even... anything I
>could do." "Yes ... and a good way to find out is to sit around
>and try nothing. That was sarcasm, by the way." "It's
>dangerous." "And so is all of us dying!" But part of it is that
>she doesn't understand, and Hannigan does a great job conveying that
>with Willow's response. Tara defending her is a strong moment. Best
>part of the show for me.
That's really Tara's shining moment, and for me it's one of the best
scenes of the season, not just the episode. Remember my comment a
while back about how Tara's gaining strength and self-confidence
throughout season 6 ? _ Well this is the proof.
And just to point out what I mean, compare and contrast:
From 6.14 'Older and Far Away':
TARA (cont'd) (stone cold):
You're gonna back off. Now. She said no, and that's it, you're not
gonna make her do something she doesn't want to.
(beat)
And if you try, you'll have to go through me first. Understood?
From 5.06 'Family':
BUFFY: It is. You want her, Mr. Maclay, you can go ahead and take
her.
(She turns to face him.)
You just gotta go through me.
MR. MACLAY: What?
BUFFY: You heard me. You wanna take Tara out of here against her will,
then you gotta come through me.
Identical body language, almost the same words. Tara's come a long
way...
Stephen
Don Sample
I don't consider the comic books to be any more canon than the tie in
novels, and in "These Our Actors" Cecily is quite definitely human.
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu
> threads.
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
.
Why the one-wordiness on "Faraway"? Just curious; I'm not trying to start
another argument like the one about episode numbering.
My personal favorite parts of OFA come when Tara needles Spike. They're
funny, it's nice to see Mr. Swagger occasionally get taken down a peg, and
most of all, it's a fun glimpse of a rarely-seen side of Tara. The more
we see of Tara, the more obvious it is that we're not seeing enough of
Tara.
The second best thing in the episode is probably Clem.
Does anyone else suspect that one goal of this episode was to shoot inside
the house as much as possible, and thus save on production costs?
> Basically, Dawn takes things very personally when people are having one
> of those days where they simply have other stuff going on and can't
> spend time with her. Hey, remember last episode when Buffy was all
> about spending an evening together, but Dawn, having her own friends
> and such, was the one who had other plans? I hope I'm not the only
> one paying attention to the plot. Things do click a little more when,
> thanks to reading ATBVS, one considers Dawn's ignored attempts
> throughout the season to become a Scoobie to be part of the setup here,
> but it's still not as clear a path as it could be.
Especially since Dawn keeps expressing her feelings in simple terms of
people always leaving her, rather than getting into any desire to be a
full-fledged member of the team. Just a little more effort from the
writers could have made this part a lot better.
> add anything to this story. By the way, is it just me, or have
> Dawn's grades been on a perpetual slide ever since she was first
> introduced? Where do they still have to slip *from*?
Her grades could have rebounded when she first started high school, then
started sliding again. Or, she could still be on the same slide she
started in mid-season 5, but it's been too gradual a slope for her to hit
rock bottom yet.
> Willow falters with her gift for Buffy, unless she specifically meant
> for its other potential uses to come to mind, but Xander and Anya
> manage a nice present this year, as does Dawn with some extenuating
> circumstances. I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
> warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
> else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
I think Buffy was starting to get suspicious, but Xander and Anya's entry
distracted her before the full implications had time to sink in. Poor
Dawn -- she was so eager for her gift to be opened, and then Buffy gets
distracted by that stupid security tag and then by some stupid beautiful
handcrafted weapons chest. No one appreciates good shoplifting anymore.
> Overall, Dawn takes teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
> She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
> lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
> personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
> way.
The worst part being when everyone finally realizes some supernatural
force is keeping them in the house, a rather worrisome situation, and Dawn
still interprets their desire to leave in terms of them not wanting to be
stuck there with her. No matter how self-centered she may be, she has too
much experience with supernatural threats for this attitude to be at all
believable. While people may find MT's performance annoying, *this* part
is all the writers' fault.
> episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
> cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
> one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
Ah, you have been keeping track! This is the phrase that some Dawn-haters
have claimed she shrieks "all the time." Turns out that, counting Blood
Ties and OFA, she's done it ... twice. It *is* an extremely irritating
shriek, I'll grant you, but it's not the defining moment for her
character.
> because no one seems guaranteed to be safe from minor injuries. I
> quite like the Xander/Anya scenes this week, going back to the simple
> tenderness that doesn't inspire much comment, but which was also used
> to such good effect in S4 episodes like "Hush" and WTWTA.
Anya's near-breakdown and Xander's comforting her were very well done.
Great acting from both EC and NB. On a lighter note, I also like Anya's
super-condescending attitude towards Dawn early in the episode. "You know
I'm in high school, right?" "Yes, you aaare," with a pat on the head.
BTW, Dawn's class seems to be reading Ballard's _Empire of the Sun_, which
is mostly about the main character being separated from his family and
then trapped in a small enclosed space by forces beyond his control.
> Not much of a big deal made about Buffy turning twenty-one. That's a
> big milestone among most, if only because of the country's
> ridiculously inflated drinking age.
Now that I'm an old man, I frequently argue that the drinking age should
be lowered to 18 ... and the driving age should be *raised* to 21.
> AOQ rating: Good
Eh, I would only go to Decent. There is some good stuff in there, but the
basic plot is a bit thin and Dawn's part wasn't written very well.
--Chris
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One Bit Shy
I don't know the various offshoots that well, but I've never thought of any
of it as canon. Has there been anything from those sources that caused
something on screen?
OBS
vague disclaimer
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> Does anyone else suspect that one goal of this episode was to shoot inside
> the house as much as possible, and thus save on production costs?
Surely you're not implying that they blew a huge chunk of the budget in
OMWF, are you?
Rowan Hawthorn
> In article <12ecc0k...@corp.supernews.com>,
> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else suspect that one goal of this episode was to shoot inside
>> the house as much as possible, and thus save on production costs?
>
> Surely you're not implying that they blew a huge chunk of the budget in
> OMWF, are you?
Wouldn't that be kind of like "implying" that Eliza Dushku is a girl?
George W Harris
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
Sartre.
:
:-AOQ
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William George Ferguson
Yes, but it's a spoiler at this point, from season 7
For those not keeping AOQ's spoiler timepoint, see below
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The Pretty Shiny Thing (PST), aka the 'axe', aka the 'scythe', aka 'the
Slayer's Ultimate Weapon' comes directly from the Joss Whedon written
Future Slayer comic 'FRAY'.
--
"Timothy Dalton should get an Oscar and
beat Sean Connery over the head with it!"
-The Other Guy (you know, Tucker's brother)
Stephen Tempest
>The worst part being when everyone finally realizes some supernatural
>force is keeping them in the house, a rather worrisome situation, and Dawn
>still interprets their desire to leave in terms of them not wanting to be
>stuck there with her.
But the supernatural force keeping them in the house is one that Dawn
*wished* for. She's been granted her heart's desire...
Sure, a moment of rational thought would show her the downside to all
this: but she's not entirely in the mood to be rational at the moment.
Stephen
One Bit Shy
news:3dice2drcm4i1cs96...@4ax.com...
Well, that's interesting. I didn't know that. At the proper time, please
do bring that up again.
How available are the books and comic books at this point? I pretty much
missed all that.
OBS
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> vague disclaimer wrote:
> > In article <12ecc0k...@corp.supernews.com>,
> > chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone else suspect that one goal of this episode was to shoot inside
> >> the house as much as possible, and thus save on production costs?
> >
> > Surely you're not implying that they blew a huge chunk of the budget in
> > OMWF, are you?
>
> Wouldn't that be kind of like "implying" that Eliza Dushku is a girl?
Great. Now you've completely broken my concentration.
vague disclaimer
The item in question is certainly still in bookshops over here, fwiw.
George W Harris
<l64o...@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
:In article <12ecmip...@news.supernews.com>,
And very worthwhile. I'm not a fan of the
medium, but loved this particular example of it.
--
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One Bit Shy
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Thanks guys, I'll look into it.
OBS
Don Sample
But that doesn't make anything else in Fray canon. In fact much of what
is said about Slayer history in Fray doesn't seem to match up with the
way season 7 ended.
William George Ferguson
wrote:
Much of what was said about Slayer history in Fray was said by Urkonn, who
also lied to Melaka about other things (and who Melaka ended up killing
because, well, he was an EET).
Still and all, the only thing that I said was brought in was the PST.
--
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Kermit
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
> comment:
> XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
> ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
> find much in common. And if you happen to form-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
> XANDER: Ahn-
> ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
> to, yay!
large scale snippage occurs here.
>
> Not much of a big deal made about Buffy turning twenty-one.
A quick review of Buffy's recent birthdays, shall we:
Season two: boyfriend turns evil, attempts to kill friends/destroy the world
Season Three: Father figure poisons her.
Season Four: the actual birthday itself seems to go ok, but it is
quickly followed by her almost killing the previously mentioned
father-figure, who got turned into a demon.
Season Five: Sister discovers she was until recently a blob of green
energy, and freaks. Plus, they all nearly die to the lopsided ass monster.
Maybe Spike has a point.
That's a
> big milestone among most, if only because of the country's
> ridiculously inflated drinking age. Of course, unlike our hero, most
> twenty-one year olds have never touched a drop of alcohol in their
> lives.
And they are all virgins (unless legally married, that shacking up stuff
only occurs on TV)
>
> I like the last shot, as the sisters shut the audience out of the house
> we've all been stuck in for the last hour. A little trite, but I
> like it.
>
My theory is that the following scene involves a wooden spoon and Dawn's
not being able to sit down for several days afterwards. Maybe that is
more of a dream than a theory. And possibly I should stop talking now.
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
>
> [Season Six so far:
> 1) "Bargaining" - Decent
> 2) "After Life" - Good
> 3) "Flooded" - Decent
> 4) "Life Serial" - Good
> 5) "All The Way" - Good
> 6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
> 7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
> 8) "Smashed" - Decent
> 9) "Wrecked" - Good
> 10) "Gone" - Decent
> 11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
> 12) "Dead Things" - Good
> 13) "Older And Faraway" - Good]
>
One Bit Shy
news:pouce2ln56r88odnm...@4ax.com...
Too late now. I just ordered it through amazon.com. Trying a couple other
things for the hell of it too.
OBS
(Harmony) Watcher
get to find enough quality Buffy skits on youtube, :)
Sometimes when I heard too many complaints about Dawn, I would be tempted to
exclaim that Dawn was just a McMuffin.
--
==Harmony Watcher==
And that wasn't a typo, :p
(Harmony) Watcher
"Mike Zeares" <mze...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1155915937....@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com...
>
> Apteryx wrote:
>
> > Indeed. The fact that the security tag is still on might in fact lead
> > the vigilant viewer to suspect that Dawn may be more than just a casual
> > shoplifter. [snip] The tag suggests Dawn has links to staff pilferers,
or
> > perhaps burglars. Are we about to discover the secret identity of the
> > shadowy leader of the Nerd so-called "Trio"? :)
>
> This is perilously close to the "Evil Mistress Dawn" fanfics that are
> floating around out there. Which are in turn just a tiny step from the
> "Vamp Dawn, Queen of Bondage" fics. None of which I have ever read, of
> course.
>
> > She goes way OTT here. It suggests she might be in need of professional
> > treatment, or, if Buffy can't afford that on her Doublemeat wages, a
> > clip round the ear.
>
> The Line to Smack Dawn forms behind me.
>
And Buffy will kick the behinds of every one of them, :) Only Buffy is
allowed to touch Dawn.
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Arbitrar Of Quality
> Why the one-wordiness on "Faraway"? Just curious; I'm not trying to start
> another argument like the one about episode numbering.
Heh. Well, the DVD itself and its box both use "Faraway" in my Chosen
Collection, so that was what I was going with. Looks like the episode
book uses "Far Away." I get the feeling this is one of those things
where even the staff don't have a definitive answer, as with the
sometimes-there apostrophe in "Lovers Walk" and the sometimes-there
definite article in "Witch."
> > Things do click a little more when,
> > thanks to reading ATBVS, one considers Dawn's ignored attempts
> > throughout the season to become a Scoobie to be part of the setup here,
> > but it's still not as clear a path as it could be.
>
> Especially since Dawn keeps expressing her feelings in simple terms of
> people always leaving her, rather than getting into any desire to be a
> full-fledged member of the team. Just a little more effort from the
> writers could have made this part a lot better.
Agreed there. It's there, but it's submerged enough that many viewers
will be expected to have missed it entirely and be even more annoyed by
Dawn than they would be otherwise.
-AOQ
peachy ashie passion
>
>
> My theory is that the following scene involves a wooden spoon and Dawn's
> not being able to sit down for several days afterwards. Maybe that is
> more of a dream than a theory. And possibly I should stop talking now.
>
Before the general rush of posters commenting that they'll be in
their bunks?
(Harmony) Watcher
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> > threads.
> >
> >
> > BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> > Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> > (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> > Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> > Director: Michael E. Gershman
> >
> > comment:
> > XANDER: Ahh, don't worry, it's not a setup.
> > ANYA: Right. No. Just an attractive single man, with whom we hope you
> > find much in common. And if you happen to form-
> > XANDER: Ahn-
> > ANYA: -a romantic relationship leading to babies-
> > XANDER: Ahn-
> > ANYA: -and many double dates with us so we have someone else to talk
> > to, yay!
>
> *much* different tone...
>
> >I'm happy with these
> > scenes, particularly the one with the parallel Monopoly and non-kitten
> > poker games going on. Even though we never get to know much about
> > Richard (one of the rare cases of overlapping names in the Buffyverse),
> > and even though Buffy's friend from work sort of disappears about
> > midway through the episode.
>
> No great loss. One of those people who kinda make me go "Ick" and look
> for the disinfectant soap.
>
> >
> > Willow falters with her gift for Buffy, unless she specifically meant
> > for its other potential uses to come to mind,
>
> mind. I might quickly wish I *hadn't*, but...
>
>
but ... ? :)
> > teenage egocentrism to rather ludicrous excesses.
>
> Isn't that a redundant statement?
>
> > She demands that people who aren't her peers should devote their
> > lives to her in a way that she doesn't for them, then takes it
> > personally whenever someone has the audacity to look at her the wrong
> > way. She also doesn't show much inclination to help try to fix or
> > make up for this situation that she's unwittingly helped create,
> > despite the fact that it's making her and everyone else miserable.
> > Little Sister's become quite the irritating character in the last few
> > episodes. No sympathy at all from me, especially not after that
> > cringe-inducing "getoutgetoutGETOUT." Far more irritating than the
> > one a year ago (to the day, I guess).
>
> Heh. Probably one of the most-often referenced scenes by the "We hate
> Dawn Club." (I actually like Dawn - when you think about what she's
> been through, what she's had to learn about herself, she really has had
> a pretty rough year and a half - but she definitely could use a good
> slap up side the head on occasion.)
>
>
Nobody touches Dawn! Be V'yy trg Nhq!
<snip>
>
> > Two things in this episode are really stupid but I laughed anyway, and
> > they're a character and an entire scene rather than individual
> > "moments." One of them is Clem. I just love the very existence of
> > this affable, slightly awkward but friendly guy who moves in Spike's
> > circles - too bad about the skin condition.
>
> Clem is a hoot.
>
... a hoot with flappy ears indeed.
> > The other is the
> > thoroughly predictable and obvious way in which the situation is
> > resolved by Hallie getting trapped in her own spell, played with just
> > the right light touch. "Oh, for crying out loud. Fine, the curse is
> > lifted!"
> >
>
> And her frustrated "Damn!" as she disappears. Gee, after making such a
> big deal out of "Dawn's Revenge," to have it fizzle out like that.
>
>
Would that make her demon boss angry?
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==Harmony Watcher==
(Harmony) Watcher
"mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges"
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> > Dawn's looking older lately, particularly with the costuming choices,
> > but acting younger. This episode is in large part about her, and
> > she's central to bringing about the premise. Yet she's also the
> > center of everything wrong with "Older And Faraway," which is quite
> > a good show otherwise. I think I'd have been happier had it ended
> > with her getting trapped in a magic sword and never let out, though.
> > Just one of those days.
>
> whedon says that he made buffy as the girl who goes into the alley
> and kills the monster
>
> whiny dawn is the girl who goes into the alley
> and gets killed by the monster
> whats more whiny dawn brings a sword
> polishes it
> and hands it to the monster to do his bad stuff
>
> i really dislike whiny dawn
>
You'd better not, or Be V'yy trg Nhq!
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==Harmony Watcher==
Jeff Jacoby
And these are bad things how?
Jeff
Arbitrar Of Quality
See, I don't know whether to say that, or to try to suppress such
thoughts given that thay're sisters, or to blather on about how actors
may be older than they appear and aren't related.
I'll be in my bunk. Getting some sleep, I mean. I shouldn't post so
late at night.
-AOQ
Ian Galbraith
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
[snip]
>> You watch your show, I'll stick with mine.
> Which I would have been happy to do until you started trolling people
> who disagree with you (that's two reviews in a row, now).
Oh yeah like AOQs bringing it up twice is any more trollerish than you
constantly harping on the same points over and over and over again. I mean
tell me your latest salvo in the S6 is anti-feminist debate isn't trollish.
--
You Can't Stop The Signal
Ian Galbraith
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
>> Of course, the highlight scene involves the other characters turning on
>> Willow and demanding that she help out with those powers that she's
>> refusing to use. Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing
>> the spells... gee, it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay"
>> wasn't the point of "Wrecked" at all.
>
> Or, gee, it's almost as if the writing is inconsistent on the subject.
Naq lrg vg svgf va jvgu gur hygvzngr svavfu gb F6.
George W Harris
<wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
:>> For those not keeping AOQ's spoiler timepoint, see below
:>>
:>> b
:>>
:>> e
:>>
:>>
:>> l
:>>
:>> o
:>>
:>> w
:>>
:>>
:>> t
:>>
:>> h
:>>
:>> i
:>>
:>> s
:>>
:>>
:>> s
:>>
:>> p
:>>
:>> a
:>>
:>> c
:>>
:>> e
:>>
:>> The Pretty Shiny Thing (PST), aka the 'axe', aka the 'scythe', aka 'the
:>> Slayer's Ultimate Weapon' comes directly from the Joss Whedon written
:>> Future Slayer comic 'FRAY'.
:>
:>But that doesn't make anything else in Fray canon. In fact much of what
:>is said about Slayer history in Fray doesn't seem to match up with the
:>way season 7 ended.
Which obviously means that what was said about
Slayer history in Fray wasn't talking about the events in
Chosen...
--
"The truths of mathematics describe a bright and clear universe,
exquisite and beautiful in its structure, in comparison with
which the physical world is turbid and confused."
-Eulogy for G.H.Hardy
George W Harris
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
:chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
:
:> Why the one-wordiness on "Faraway"? Just curious; I'm not trying to start
:> another argument like the one about episode numbering.
:
:Heh. Well, the DVD itself and its box both use "Faraway" in my Chosen
:Collection, so that was what I was going with. Looks like the episode
:book uses "Far Away." I get the feeling this is one of those things
:where even the staff don't have a definitive answer, as with the
:sometimes-there apostrophe in "Lovers Walk" and the sometimes-there
:definite article in "Witch."
All those sources do agree on the episode
numbering, though.
:-AOQ
--
/bud...@nirvana.net/h:k
vague disclaimer
Or just filtered through a few hundred years of oral history.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> > mind. I might quickly wish I *hadn't*, but...
> >
> >
> but ... ? :)
what about the posters on the walls in willows bedroom?
> Nobody touches Dawn! Be V'yy trg Nhq!
depends if its whiny dawn or competent dawn
competent dawn is okay
arf meow arf - nsa fodder
ny dnrqn greebevfz ahpyrne obzo vena gnyvona ovt oebgure
if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
Mike Zeares
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> peachy ashie passion wrote:
> > Kermit wrote:
>
> > > My theory is that the following scene involves a wooden spoon and Dawn's
> > > not being able to sit down for several days afterwards. Maybe that is
> > > more of a dream than a theory. And possibly I should stop talking now.
> > >
> > Before the general rush of posters commenting that they'll be in
> > their bunks?
>
> See, I don't know whether to say that, or to try to suppress such
> thoughts given that thay're sisters, or to blather on about how actors
> may be older than they appear and aren't related.
Just FYI, MT was 16 at the time, or 17 at most. She was about a year
older than her character.
I have refrained from suggesting that Dawn needed a good spanking. It
would only cause trouble.
-- Mike Zeares
MBangel10 (Melissa)
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 13: "Older And Faraway"
> (or "Seven guests all came one night/Their screams the only noise")
> Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg
> Director: Michael E. Gershman
>
>
> I like the last shot, as the sisters shut the audience out of the house
> we've all been stuck in for the last hour. A little trite, but I
> like it.
Don't have much to say about this one that's not already been said. OBS
and Elisi have pretty much pointed out everything in a much more
eloquent way than I could. However, I'm just gonna say it... to hell
with the consequences.
I'd have blown out his candles.
:smirks and runs away from board:
>
>
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Some great stuff, and then there's Dawn.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
>
> [Season Six so far:
> 1) "Bargaining" - Decent
> 2) "After Life" - Good
> 3) "Flooded" - Decent
> 4) "Life Serial" - Good
> 5) "All The Way" - Good
> 6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
> 7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
> 8) "Smashed" - Decent
> 9) "Wrecked" - Good
> 10) "Gone" - Decent
> 11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
> 12) "Dead Things" - Good
> 13) "Older And Faraway" - Good]
>
Disclaimer: that was a joke. Seriously. Sense of humor must be required.
Please ignore if you feel disgusted, appalled, or are feeling the
Spike hatred in any way.
This post has been brought to you "squee" free.
(Harmony) Watcher
>
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > peachy ashie passion wrote:
> > > Kermit wrote:
> >
> > > > My theory is that the following scene involves a wooden spoon and
Dawn's
> > > > not being able to sit down for several days afterwards. Maybe that
is
> > > > more of a dream than a theory. And possibly I should stop talking
now.
> > > >
> > > Before the general rush of posters commenting that they'll be in
> > > their bunks?
> >
> > See, I don't know whether to say that, or to try to suppress such
> > thoughts given that thay're sisters, or to blather on about how actors
> > may be older than they appear and aren't related.
>
> Just FYI, MT was 16 at the time, or 17 at most. She was about a year
> older than her character.
>
<snip>
--
==Harmony Watcher==
peachy ashie passion
Oh GREAT. You ruined THAT for me, and turned me into a perv.
*sigh*
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
technically she was thousands or millions or billions of years old
(Harmony) Watcher
As a human, Dawn's biology was just about two years old at this point (less
than two actually). And a simple scan from Dr. Crusher's tricorder (from
another show) would reveal that, indeed, human Dawn was only two years old
because information collected at the cellular level would say so.
But before she was made human, Dawn could be billions and billions and
billions of years old as a non-human object (animate or otherwise, sentient
or otherwise).
But, of course, everybody around her seemed to remember her as a 15-year old
human kid.
I'd still say she was at most two at this point.
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Rowan Hawthorn
Well, if she were, there are a bunch of us on here who'd be standing in
line at the crack of Dawn...
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Rowan Hawthorn
But, I'd be fool enough to risk it.
>>
> Nobody touches Dawn! Be V'yy trg Nhq!
>
Hey, you stole my gag!
>
>
>>> The other is the
>>> thoroughly predictable and obvious way in which the situation is
>>> resolved by Hallie getting trapped in her own spell, played with just
>>> the right light touch. "Oh, for crying out loud. Fine, the curse is
>>> lifted!"
>>>
>> And her frustrated "Damn!" as she disappears. Gee, after making such a
>> big deal out of "Dawn's Revenge," to have it fizzle out like that.
>>
>>
> Would that make her demon boss angry?
Oh, I'm sure she has a performance review every few decades...
Rowan Hawthorn
>>> Maybe it's just me, but I would *love* to take a peek inside Willow's
>>> mind. I might quickly wish I *hadn't*, but...
>>>
>>>
>> but ... ? :)
>
> what about the posters on the walls in willows bedroom?
>
Now I'm gonna have to go back through the entire series again (like I
wasn't gonna, anyway...)
Rowan Hawthorn
> In article <-46dnZvOW4U...@giganews.com>,
> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> vague disclaimer wrote:
>>> In article <12ecc0k...@corp.supernews.com>,
>>> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone else suspect that one goal of this episode was to shoot inside
>>>> the house as much as possible, and thus save on production costs?
>>> Surely you're not implying that they blew a huge chunk of the budget in
>>> OMWF, are you?
>> Wouldn't that be kind of like "implying" that Eliza Dushku is a girl?
>
> Great. Now you've completely broken my concentration.
heheheh...
(Harmony) Watcher
--
==Harmony Watcher==
(Harmony) Watcher
about BtVS, I'll give you due credit and performance rights, :)
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Rowan Hawthorn
Deal...
Lord Usher
> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>
>> Why the one-wordiness on "Faraway"? Just curious; I'm not trying to
>> start another argument like the one about episode numbering.
>
> Heh. Well, the DVD itself and its box both use "Faraway" in my Chosen
> Collection, so that was what I was going with. Looks like the episode
> book uses "Far Away." I get the feeling this is one of those things
> where even the staff don't have a definitive answer, as with the
> sometimes-there apostrophe in "Lovers Walk" and the sometimes-there
> definite article in "Witch."
In this case, though, there *should* be a definitive answer, because the
one-word construction is grammatically incorrect. "Faraway" is only one
word when it's used as an adjective.
--
Lord Usher
"I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."
Lord Usher
> Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing the spells... gee,
> it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay" wasn't the point of "Wrecked"
> at all.
Right, because the fact that some people can drink in moderation means
that alcoholism doesn't exist.
In any event, this episode is still following the incredibly idiotic
paradigm set up in "Wrecked," by which Willow is somehow damaged by the
rote action of casting spells, no matter how harmless or how helpful, as
opposed to the unhealthy psychology that often accompanied her
spellcasting, the desire to control everything and remake other people
to her liking.
IOW, we're still wasting time watching Willow deal with a problem that
isn't her real problem, while her actual issues sit around begging to be
explored, and I can't think of anything more tiresome or less deserving
of praise.
It's like if the writers of ANGEL had suddenly decided, right before
"The Trial" was scheduled to go into production, that they didn't want
to kill off Darla quite yet, so they suddenly had Angel decide that his
obssession with his sire was caused by his "blood addiction." And then
spent the next bunch of episodes ignoring the real Darla issues set up
so carefully in the first part of the season, and taking Angel through
an embarrassingly literal series of non-adventures as he tried to avoid
drinking blood.
And sure, you could argue that there was precedent in the Buffyverse for
seeing the blood-sucking thing as a drug metaphor. Or that Angel was
just using this "addiction" thing to avoid his real issues. But, jeez,
why should you have to, when you could be enjoying "The Trial" and
"Reunion" instead?
Elisi
Lord Usher wrote:
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in
> news:1155888877.3...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing the spells... gee,
> > it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay" wasn't the point of "Wrecked"
> > at all.
>
> Right, because the fact that some people can drink in moderation means
> that alcoholism doesn't exist.
>
> In any event, this episode is still following the incredibly idiotic
> paradigm set up in "Wrecked," by which Willow is somehow damaged by the
> rote action of casting spells, no matter how harmless or how helpful, as
> opposed to the unhealthy psychology that often accompanied her
> spellcasting, the desire to control everything and remake other people
> to her liking.
>
> IOW, we're still wasting time watching Willow deal with a problem that
> isn't her real problem, while her actual issues sit around begging to be
> explored, and I can't think of anything more tiresome or less deserving
> of praise.
Vs Jvyybj *unq* qrnyg jvgu ure erny ceboyrz, fur arire jbhyq unir unq
gur zrygqbja nsgre Gnen jnf xvyyrq. Qrnyvat jvgu ure erny ceboyrz vf
ure fgbelyvar sbe frnfba frira.
Don Sample
Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is also a quote from "Empire of the Sun" which is the book that was
being discussed in Dawn's class when she was called away to see the
"guidance councillor":
Jim had wanted to explain to his parents everything that he and
the doctor had done together, but his mother and father had been
through their own war. For all their affection for him, they
seemed older and far away.
--
Quando omni flunkus moritati
Visit the Buffy Body Count at <http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/>
vague disclaimer
Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Notice that the show has no problem with Tara doing the spells... gee,
> > it's almost as if "magic is bad, mmkay" wasn't the point of "Wrecked"
> > at all.
>
> Right, because the fact that some people can drink in moderation means
> that alcoholism doesn't exist.
No. The fact that some people can drink in moderation means that alcohol
isn't bad, m'kay, just dangerous.
Lord Usher
@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>> IOW, we're still wasting time watching Willow deal with a problem
>> that isn't her real problem, while her actual issues sit around
>> begging to be explored, and I can't think of anything more tiresome
>> or less deserving of praise.
>
> Vs Jvyybj *unq* qrnyg jvgu ure erny ceboyrz, fur arire jbhyq unir unq
> gur zrygqbja nsgre Gnen jnf xvyyrq.
Gung zrygqbja *jnf* gur jnl fur "qrnyg jvgu ure erny ceboyrz." Naq gung'f
gur fgbelyvar gur jevgref fubhyq'ir orra gryyvat nyy frnfba, vafgrnq bs
qenttvat hf guebhtu n cbvagyrff qvterffvba sbe gra rcvfbqrf.
Vaqrrq, vg'f gur fgbel gur jevgref *vagraqrq* gb gryy nyy frnfba -- gur
fgbel bs Jvyybj nf gur Ovt Onq -- hagvy gurl puvpxrarq bhg ng gur ynfg
cbffvoyr frpbaq.
Elisi
I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you mean.
The way they did things made perfect sense to me, I'm sorry it wasn't
the story you wanted or thought you'd get.
Rivy!Jvyybj jnf vagrerfgvat sbe n srj rcvfbqrf. Univat ure nebhaq nyy
frnfba jbhyq unir orra greevoyr - jung ba rnegu pbhyq gurl unir qbar
jvgu ure?
Elisi
Thank you so much for the quote! I've been meaning to look it up, but
never got so far.
Arbitrar Of Quality
Don Sample wrote:
> In article <Xns98275CE5FC2...@216.196.97.142>,
> Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1155963098....@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > >> Why the one-wordiness on "Faraway"? Just curious; I'm not trying to
> > >> start another argument like the one about episode numbering.
> > >
> > > Heh. Well, the DVD itself and its box both use "Faraway" in my Chosen
> > > Collection, so that was what I was going with. Looks like the episode
> > > book uses "Far Away." I get the feeling this is one of those things
> > > where even the staff don't have a definitive answer, as with the
> > > sometimes-there apostrophe in "Lovers Walk" and the sometimes-there
> > > definite article in "Witch."
> >
> > In this case, though, there *should* be a definitive answer, because the
> > one-word construction is grammatically incorrect. "Faraway" is only one
> > word when it's used as an adjective.
It could be an adjective here. Without a complete sentence to work
with, it's hard to talk about being gramatically correct.
> It is also a quote from "Empire of the Sun" which is the book that was
> being discussed in Dawn's class when she was called away to see the
> "guidance councillor":
>
> Jim had wanted to explain to his parents everything that he and
> the doctor had done together, but his mother and father had been
> through their own war. For all their affection for him, they
> seemed older and far away.
That, on the other hand, is a definitive answer.
-AOQ
Ian Galbraith
> Lord Usher wrote:
[snip]
>> Vaqrrq, vg'f gur fgbel gur jevgref *vagraqrq* gb gryy nyy frnfba -- gur
>> fgbel bs Jvyybj nf gur Ovt Onq -- hagvy gurl puvpxrarq bhg ng gur ynfg
>> cbffvoyr frpbaq.
> I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you mean.
> The way they did things made perfect sense to me, I'm sorry it wasn't
> the story you wanted or thought you'd get.
> Rivy!Jvyybj jnf vagrerfgvat sbe n srj rcvfbqrf. Univat ure nebhaq nyy
> frnfba jbhyq unir orra greevoyr - jung ba rnegu pbhyq gurl unir qbar
> jvgu ure?
Rfcrpvnyyl tvira gurl jnagrq ure onpx nf n flzcngurgvp punenpgre
nsgrejneq.
--
You can't stop the signal
Lord Usher
>> > In this case, though, there *should* be a definitive answer,
>> > because the one-word construction is grammatically incorrect.
>> > "Faraway" is only one word when it's used as an adjective.
>
> It could be an adjective here. Without a complete sentence to work
> with, it's hard to talk about being gramatically correct.
What's more, it's paired with another word that *is* an adjective, so I'm
not sure exactly what I was thinking on that one. :)
And now I'm going to drive myself crazy trying to figure out why it looks
so egregiously wrong to me like that...
Joe Finn
> . I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
> warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
> else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
> Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
> wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
> "security" tag isn't doing its job...
>
>
In todays episode of "Let's mis-educate criminals" we see that by
simply wearing a coat over the coat you want to shoplift you can
completely block the signal to any store anti-theft device.
Stay tuned for tomorrows episode where we learn that even though cell
phones are made from the state of the art technology the calls are
incredibly hard to trace or tap.
Joe
Don Sample
Joe Finn <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > . I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
> > warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
> > else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
> > Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
> > wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
> > "security" tag isn't doing its job...
> >
> >
>
> In todays episode of "Let's mis-educate criminals" we see that by
> simply wearing a coat over the coat you want to shoplift you can
> completely block the signal to any store anti-theft device.
Quite often the "security devices" are just for show. Or the store
clerks get so fed up with false alarms, that they turn off the sensors
on the doors.
> Stay tuned for tomorrows episode where we learn that even though cell
> phones are made from the state of the art technology the calls are
> incredibly hard to trace or tap.
Unless they're already set up with a lot of expensive equipment in the
right area, a cell phone can be difficult to pinpoint more accurately
than an area about half a mile across.
Arbitrar Of Quality
Single-word "faraway" is one of those words that looks progressively
weirder the longer you stare at it.
-AOQ
Ben Morrow
Quoth Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com>:
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in
> news:1156296024.8...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > In this case, though, there *should* be a definitive answer,
> >> > because the one-word construction is grammatically incorrect.
> >> > "Faraway" is only one word when it's used as an adjective.
> >
> > It could be an adjective here. Without a complete sentence to work
> > with, it's hard to talk about being gramatically correct.
>
> What's more, it's paired with another word that *is* an adjective, so I'm
> not sure exactly what I was thinking on that one. :)
Err.. 'older' isn't an adjective, it's a comparative. 'Older and further
away' would be correct.
> And now I'm going to drive myself crazy trying to figure out why it looks
> so egregiously wrong to me like that...
'cos it is wrong... :)
</delurk>
Ben
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> away' would be correct.
comparative is the dual inflexion of adjectives and adverbs
whats correct is whatever the competent speakers understand
Lord Usher
news:mc10s3-...@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org:
> Err.. 'older' isn't an adjective, it's a comparative.
"Comparative" isn't a part of speech. It's a comparative adjective.
> 'Older and further away' would be correct.
Hmm. You're right that it's often sort of awkward to pair a comparative
adjective with a noncomparative adjective without any punctuation in
between -- "They were angrier and loud." But I don't think that's the issue
I'm having.
If it were, then "older and far away" should look wrong to me, and "older
and more faraway" should look right, and neither is true.
(Harmony) Watcher
"Ben Morrow" <benm...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:mc10s3-...@osiris.mauzo.dyndns.org...
>
> Quoth Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com>:
> > "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1156296024.8...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > >> > In this case, though, there *should* be a definitive answer,
> > >> > because the one-word construction is grammatically incorrect.
> > >> > "Faraway" is only one word when it's used as an adjective.
> > >
> > > It could be an adjective here. Without a complete sentence to work
> > > with, it's hard to talk about being gramatically correct.
> >
> > What's more, it's paired with another word that *is* an adjective, so
I'm
> > not sure exactly what I was thinking on that one. :)
>
> Err.. 'older' isn't an adjective, it's a comparative. 'Older and further
> away' would be correct.
>
>
non-absolute adjective, namely,
unmodified, comparative and superlative:
http://www.bartleby.com/64/C001/003.html
http://www.englishclub.com/grammar/adjectives-comparative.htm
According to M-W online, "faraway" is also an adjective:
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/faraway
--
==Harmony Watcher==
vague disclaimer
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > . I find it hard to believe that this didn't set off
> > warning bells right away, since it's pretty obvious, but not everyone
> > else has been in on all the shoplifting scenes that we viewers have.
> > Seems like a bit of a pointless addition, actually, unless the writers
> > wanted to show Dawn falling apart in every way or something. Guess the
> > "security" tag isn't doing its job...
> >
> >
>
> In todays episode of "Let's mis-educate criminals" we see that by
> simply wearing a coat over the coat you want to shoplift you can
> completely block the signal to any store anti-theft device.
We saw Dawn get home with it under her coat. We do not know that this is
how she got it out of the store.
George W Harris
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
:
Like "mustache". Or "shelf".
:
:-AOQ
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