"Hush" little baby, don't say a word [spoilers]
JOHN E MORRIS
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= Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
looked/sounded silly.
First - never thought they were evil at all. Second - if it's good enough
for Stephen Hawking, it's good enough for Walsh.
JEM
Glenn R. Howes
> ... Mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> mockingbird
>
> and
> if
> that
> mocking
> bird
> don't
> sing
>
> mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> diamond
> ring
>
> that should be enough.
>
> excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they
>rival the chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so
>that's an actual question.]
Power wise, I think the Charmed ones are more powerful than
the Willow/Anya. The middle sister has the power to freeze
time locally, which is a power so strong as to make
it hard to write plots that make it realistic to defeat her.
Character wise, Willow, a rat and a timid witch have more
interesting personalities than the Charmed ones. Heck, a monkey
and two rats would have more personality.
> = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
> evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> looked/sounded silly.
She was improvising a way to speak, so she ran a
utility on her computer to type directly to speech. They used a
fairly low quality voice to make sure the audience realizes
its computerized. The voice reminded me of fairly old Macintalk.
I think the Initiative people have hearts in the right place,
but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
inertia to generate plot points.
vicpusateri
(Glenn R. Howes) wrote:
> vicpusateri <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > ... Mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > mockingbird
> >
> > and
> > if
> > that
> > mocking
> > bird
> > don't
> > sing
> >
> > mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > diamond
> > ring
> >
> > that should be enough.
> >
> > excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
> > = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be
> outrightly
> > evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> > looked/sounded silly.
> She was improvising a way to speak, so she ran a
> utility on her computer to type directly to speech. They used a
> fairly low quality voice to make sure the audience realizes
> its computerized. The voice reminded me of fairly old Macintalk.
I understand what she was doing [the idea if not the actual
technology], but I just thought it was silly. She's too good for some
transparencies and an overhead? ;)
I guess it's just more set up for the science/Initiative vs.
magic/scooby ways of fighting demons.
> I think the Initiative people have hearts in the right place,
> but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
> will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
> inertia to generate plot points.
Yeah. And it's always a question about whether the peons know/agree
with what the higher ups are planning.
victoria p.
Miss July
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vicpusateri
gonna
buy
you
a
mockingbird
and
if
that
mocking
bird
don't
sing
mama's
gonna
buy
you
a
diamond
ring
that should be enough.
excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
= Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
the window? That scene also reminded me of _Child of the Hunt_.
= Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
question.]
= Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny. Also, the guy
selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
<sigh> Someday it'll be me.
= Xander had terrible hair tonight, and he was a little idiotish during
Giles's "presentation" [you can tell Giles is an old-fashioned guy: no
LCD projector (you'd think Willow would have put together a nice
powerpoint presentation for him. yes I'm being silly. ;-)], though he
did ask the important question. It was good to see he could beat up on
the implanted Spike, at least.
= More orange = bad. And what's with Buffy and the shawls?
= Xander/Spike shippers, rev your engines. "I'm moist and delicious"
Oh, yeah. And Spike's little Anya voice was great.
= However, even though I love Xander in boxers, that shot of him on the
bed was not flattering.
= Hope some of those orgasms are Anya's. Loved Spike's interest, and
Giles's disinterest in Xander's sex life.
= The Gentlemen were scary looking.
= Was anyone else reminded of [the movie] _Little Mermaid_ when Ariel
gives up her voice to Ursula?
= Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
looked/sounded silly.
= Good to see Buffy learned something from Angel/us - loved when she
snapped the straitjacket lackey's neck. Also loved the bell tolling
during the fight. Riley seemed to do a lot better than he should have.
= Speaking of whom, definitely saw the Harrison Ford-ness of Marc
Blucas tonight. He's getting more attractive every week.
= Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
"Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
Was the little girl Buffy or the princess who screamed in the fairy
tale? Also, the Pandora's box imagery was cool.
= Spike certainly eats a lot of food, considering it must not taste
great. "It gives the blood some texture."
= We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode. Score
one for diversity in the 'dale.
= My favorite thing in this episode: "In case of emergency, use
stairwell." Riley's so smart, yet he forgot he had to say his name to
get into SPECTRE's HQ?
= On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used in
the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
ramblingly,
victoria p.
the working from home during the transit mess
Miss July
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Glenn R. Howes
> In article <1e2tpbj.12w...@grhowes.xnet.com>, grh...@xnet.com
> (Glenn R. Howes) wrote:
> > vicpusateri <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > ... Mama's
> > > gonna
> > > buy
> > > you
> > > a
> > > mockingbird
> > >
> > > and
> > > if
> > > that
> > > mocking
> > > bird
> > > don't
> > > sing
> > >
> > > mama's
> > > gonna
> > > buy
> > > you
> > > a
> > > diamond
> > > ring
> > >
> > > that should be enough.
> > >
> > > excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
> [...]
> > > = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be
> > outrightly
> > > evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> > > looked/sounded silly.
> > She was improvising a way to speak, so she ran a
> > utility on her computer to type directly to speech. They used a
> > fairly low quality voice to make sure the audience realizes
> > its computerized. The voice reminded me of fairly old Macintalk.
>
> I understand what she was doing [the idea if not the actual
> technology], but I just thought it was silly. She's too good for some
> transparencies and an overhead? ;)
>
> I guess it's just more set up for the science/Initiative vs.
> magic/scooby ways of fighting demons.
What would have been funny is if all the commandos each had
an iBook, or whatever computers commandos use, and replied in kind.
> > I think the Initiative people have hearts in the right place,
> > but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
> > will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
> > inertia to generate plot points.
>
> Yeah. And it's always a question about whether the peons know/agree
> with what the higher ups are planning.
I've a different take on the problem with groups of people. In movies,
there almost always an individual who you can point to who is the
focus of the bad that is done. Take Dr. Evil out of his organization
and the rest of the enterprise would be happy running Starbucks. I
think its more common in real life for the group itself to be
disfunctional even if every individual, including the head guy,
is a good person. In this instance, I would be unsurprised if the
Initiative has a pervasive us against them attitude, and an elite
squad knows best attitude too. Drop the ragtag Scooby gang into
the mix and conflict will follow.
XFWatcher
>but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
>will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
>inertia to generate plot points.
>
>
Not to mention, based on tonight's episode , the Initiative seems to be totally
in the dark. They may know how to take down vampires but they know bupkiss
about how to investigate and research a supernatural crisis. Score 1 more for
the Scooby Gang!
Maybe The Initiative could have fought those guys forever, with all their fancy
government equipment but they still would have had no idea on how to solve the
problem.
Leave the supernatural crime fighting to the professionals, guys.
L.
stacker
wrote:
>vicpusateri <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <1e2tpbj.12w...@grhowes.xnet.com>, grh...@xnet.com
>> (Glenn R. Howes) wrote:
>> > > ... Mama's
>> > > gonna
>> > > buy
>> > > you
>> > > a
>> > > mockingbird
>> > >
>> > > and
>> > > if
>> > > that
>> > > mocking
>> > > bird
>> > > don't
>> > > sing
>> > >
>> > > mama's
>> > > gonna
>> > > buy
>> > > you
>> > > a
>> > > diamond
>> > > ring
>> > >
>> > I think the Initiative people have hearts in the right place,
>> > but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
>> > will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
>> > inertia to generate plot points.
>>
>> Yeah. And it's always a question about whether the peons know/agree
>> with what the higher ups are planning.
>
>I've a different take on the problem with groups of people. In movies,
>there almost always an individual who you can point to who is the
>focus of the bad that is done. Take Dr. Evil out of his organization
>and the rest of the enterprise would be happy running Starbucks. I
>think its more common in real life for the group itself to be
>disfunctional even if every individual, including the head guy,
>is a good person. In this instance, I would be unsurprised if the
>Initiative has a pervasive us against them attitude, and an elite
>squad knows best attitude too.
I think it was Serpico who said that 10% of all the cops in every
precinct were 'good', 10% were 'bad', and the rest just followed
whichever one of the two gained control. This might apply to all
organizations... or maybe not.
M. Scott Eiland
>... Mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>mockingbird
>
>and
>if
>that
>mocking
>bird
>don't
>sing
>
>mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>diamond
>ring
>
>that should be enough.
>
>excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>
>= Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
>Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
>the window? That scene also reminded me of _Child of the Hunt_.
Given Giles' luck, I was assuming that either 1) she was working for the bad
guys or 2) she was toast. Happy that I was wrong about both. . .I like her,
and Giles certainly deserves a little luck in the romantic arena (though if the
woman has any survival instincts at all, she'll run screaming from Sunnydale. .
.:-) ).
>= Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
>chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
>question.]
I assumed that this topic would create a supernova of speculation. . .and on
this topic I was correct. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. .
.the most interesting take I've seen so far is that Tara is Catherine Madison
in disguise, waiting for a chance at revenge (credit Kate Bolin with that one,
and also note that I've seen at least one spoiler post that suggests that
Catherine the Great is indeed returning. . .stay tuned).
>= Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny. Also, the guy
>selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
><sigh> Someday it'll be me.
Surprised that anyone would have the nerve to try that, given that the populace
seemed to be in the "loot and fight" mood. . .that was a nasty move Buffy
pulled on that guy fighting in the street. . .I thought I heard a bone snap
(truth be told, I'd rather watch her do that than Steven Seagal :-) ).
>= Xander had terrible hair tonight, and he was a little idiotish during
>Giles's "presentation" [you can tell Giles is an old-fashioned guy: no
>LCD projector (you'd think Willow would have put together a nice
>powerpoint presentation for him. yes I'm being silly. ;-)], though he
>did ask the important question. It was good to see he could beat up on
>the implanted Spike, at least.
Xander's performance convinced me finally that his lousy performance against
Harmony was due to residual inhibition about staking someone he had known when
no lives were in immediate peril. Yes, Spike was helpless, but Xander's form
looked good (not that that would have helped him if Spike had been back to
normal. . .Xander has been one-punched by Spike twice). At least we know that
he could still kick Wesley's ass. :-)
>= Xander/Spike shippers, rev your engines. "I'm moist and delicious"
>Oh, yeah. And Spike's little Anya voice was great.
Spike was pushing his luck. . .I can just hear the conversation the next
morning: "Yeah, he vamped out and tried to bite me. . .I had no choice. .
.good thing there was a stake nearby."
<snip>
>= Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
>evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
>looked/sounded silly.
On the spot improvisation. . .typing is faster than writing for most people,
and it probably was a morale boost to arrange some form of "verbal"
communication. It did sound a lot like Stephen Hawking, didn't it?
>= Good to see Buffy learned something from Angel/us - loved when she
>snapped the straitjacket lackey's neck.
She's done that before ("Killed By Death"). If she hadn't gotten her voice
back, it might have been a solution to the "can't be killed by a sword"
problem, since she lacked a rocket launcher.
Also loved the bell tolling
>during the fight. Riley seemed to do a lot better than he should have.
I think he is enhanced somehow (probably stronger than normal human, comparing
his hand to hand performance against Buffy's). I think that Buffy is still
stronger, though. . .no one Riley hit flew back fifteen feet.
>= Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
>"Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
>Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
>Was the little girl Buffy or the princess who screamed in the fairy
>tale? Also, the Pandora's box imagery was cool.
>
>= Spike certainly eats a lot of food, considering it must not taste
>great. "It gives the blood some texture."
Also, we saw Spike with peanut butter! Maybe it was Angel all along who left
the peanut butter on the sheets in "Room with a Vu."
>= We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
>dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode. Score
>one for diversity in the 'dale.
Although we almost lost Forrest and Riley to the Elevator of Death (hmm, one
faulty voice recognition module and everyone in the elevator could buy it. . .a
little extreme for my tastes).
>= My favorite thing in this episode: "In case of emergency, use
>stairwell." Riley's so smart, yet he forgot he had to say his name to
>get into SPECTRE's HQ?
Even smart people can overlook the obvious. Buffy picked up the phone, didn't
she?
>= On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used in
>the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
Now, now. A residual here and there can be useful for allowing former annoying
music stars to survive without telethons or standing on the street with signs
saying "Will Rap for Food."
M. Scott Eiland
"If the cultivation of understanding consists in one thing more than another,
it is surely in learning the grounds of one's own opinions."- Mill
"Nothing hath an uglier look to us than reason, when it is not on our side."-
Halifax
M. Scott Eiland
>
>In article <1e2tpbj.12w...@grhowes.xnet.com>, grh...@xnet.com
>(Glenn R. Howes) wrote:
>> vicpusateri <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> > ... Mama's
>> > gonna
>> > buy
>> > you
>> > a
>> > mockingbird
>> >
>> > and
>> > if
>> > that
>> > mocking
>> > bird
>> > don't
>> > sing
>> >
>> > mama's
>> > gonna
>> > buy
>> > you
>> > a
>> > diamond
>> > ring
>> >
>> > that should be enough.
>> >
>> > excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>[...]
>> > = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be
>> outrightly
>> > evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
>> > looked/sounded silly.
>> She was improvising a way to speak, so she ran a
>> utility on her computer to type directly to speech. They used a
>> fairly low quality voice to make sure the audience realizes
>> its computerized. The voice reminded me of fairly old Macintalk.
>
>I understand what she was doing [the idea if not the actual
>technology], but I just thought it was silly. She's too good for some
>transparencies and an overhead? ;)
>
>I guess it's just more set up for the science/Initiative vs.
>magic/scooby ways of fighting demons.
It served its purpose (and, as I suggested in my prior post, hearing any voice
just then might have been good for morale).
>> I think the Initiative people have hearts in the right place,
>> but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
>> will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
>> inertia to generate plot points.
>
>Yeah. And it's always a question about whether the peons know/agree
>with what the higher ups are planning.
A place that uses lethal gas as a security measure (wonder if they know that
vampires are immune to breathed gasses?) deserves at least a raised eyebrow
(in a confined situation, non-lethal methods are far more practical and might
yield prisoners to explain the breach in security).
Roberto Castillo
I came home just in time to see that "vicpusateri"
<vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> had written:
>... Mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>mockingbird
>
>and
>if
>that
>mocking
>bird
>don't
>sing
>
>mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>diamond
>ring
>
>that should be enough.
>
>excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>
>= Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
>Joyce.
Well, think of Olivia as Giles' interrum relationship. After he and
Joyce hook up for the first time but before Joyce decides to make
Giles fall in love with her.
>Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
>the window? That scene also reminded me of _Child of the Hunt_.
I was absolutely convinced that Olivia was going to buy it when she
saw that demon!
>= Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
>evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
>looked/sounded silly.
The verdict is in, they're being run by Stephen Hawking. Obviously, "A
Brief History of Time" was just a smoke screen. Hawking has already
figured out the Grand Unified Theory and the Theory of Everything.
When all of his equations predicted the existence of vampires, he
founded the Initiative in order to keep them in check.
>= Good to see Buffy learned something from Angel/us - loved when she
>snapped the straitjacket lackey's neck. Also loved the bell tolling
>during the fight. Riley seemed to do a lot better than he should have.
Well, it helped that he had a big, honkin' taser rifle to zap the
bejeezus out of everything in sight. In fact, it looked to me like
Riley was getting his ass kicked just before Buffy arrived on the
scene.
>= We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
>dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode. Score
>one for diversity in the 'dale.
I love the way Forrest talks. I'm surprised Riley never asked him to
play Cyrano de Bergerac for him.
>= On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used in
>the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
I stopped paying attention to the Gap when they tried to hypnotize us
into believing that corduroy is cool.
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> victoria p., our beloved Miss July, wrote:
>
> >> > gonna
> >> > buy
> >> > you
> >> > a
> >> > mockingbird
> >> >
> >> > and
> >> > if
> >> > that
> >> > mocking
> >> > bird
> >> > don't
> >> > sing
> >> >
> >> > mama's
> >> > gonna
> >> > buy
> >> > you
> >> > a
> >> > diamond
> >> > ring
> >> >
> >> > that should be enough.
> >> >
> >> > excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
> >> > looked/sounded silly.
> >> She was improvising a way to speak, so she ran a
> >> utility on her computer to type directly to speech. They used a
> >> fairly low quality voice to make sure the audience realizes
> >> its computerized. The voice reminded me of fairly old Macintalk.
> >
> >I understand what she was doing [the idea if not the actual
> >technology], but I just thought it was silly. She's too good for some
> >transparencies and an overhead? ;)
> >
> >I guess it's just more set up for the science/Initiative vs.
> >magic/scooby ways of fighting demons.
>
> It served its purpose (and, as I suggested in my prior post, hearing any
voice
> just then might have been good for morale).
My thought was that the writers, in the interests of time, didn't want us to
see a total of 10 minutes of Walsh scribbling her stuff down, or whatever,
so they "sped" her up, so to speak
> A place that uses lethal gas as a security measure (wonder if they know
that
> vampires are immune to breathed gasses?) deserves at least a raised
eyebrow
> (in a confined situation, non-lethal methods are far more practical and
might
> yield prisoners to explain the breach in security).
What gets me is that "In Case of Emergency, Use Stairwell" If whatever's on
that floor is so security sensitive, what kind of precautions do they have
on the stairwell that don't require voice? And why would anyone take the
elevator? They were going "down" right?
LRL94
When Olivia got up out of bed, I immediately thought "Oh shit, she's evil!
Noooooo!". Then, when she saw the Gentlemen out the window, I thought "Oh
shit, she's gonna die! Noooooo!"
So you can imagine my relief :-)
I do hope she doesn't dump Giles over this, though. I like her, and he needs a
girlfriend who stays alive and isn't embarassed to be around him.
Besides, they have this mysterious past. What exactly has he told her? When
did they know each other before? Does she know about Buffy? Questions,
questions.
>>= Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
>>chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
>>question.]
>
>I assumed that this topic would create a supernova of speculation. . .and on
>this topic I was correct. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
>.
>.the most interesting take I've seen so far is that Tara is Catherine Madison
>in disguise, waiting for a chance at revenge (credit Kate Bolin with that
>one,
>and also note that I've seen at least one spoiler post that suggests that
>Catherine the Great is indeed returning. . .stay tuned).
>
I thought the same thing - that whole "My mother was very powerful" thing set
off alarm bells. Then again, she could just be an over-eager witch looking for
someone with just Willow's lack of scruples to help her do something really,
really stupid. Stay tuned.
BTW, I'm not on board with the lesbian thing. My only thought on the subject
while watching the episode was "Oh, great, they touched each other. The
slashers are going to clog up the newsgroup again." :-)
>>= Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny. Also, the guy
>>selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
>><sigh> Someday it'll be me.
>
>Surprised that anyone would have the nerve to try that, given that the
>populace
>seemed to be in the "loot and fight" mood. . .that was a nasty move Buffy
>pulled on that guy fighting in the street. . .I thought I heard a bone snap
>(truth be told, I'd rather watch her do that than Steven Seagal :-) ).
>
That was a little extreme. Did she really need to break the guy's arm? I
winced at that horrible noise!
>>= Xander had terrible hair tonight, and he was a little idiotish during
>>Giles's "presentation" [you can tell Giles is an old-fashioned guy: no
>>LCD projector (you'd think Willow would have put together a nice
>>powerpoint presentation for him. yes I'm being silly. ;-)], though he
>>did ask the important question. It was good to see he could beat up on
>>the implanted Spike, at least.
>
>Xander's performance convinced me finally that his lousy performance against
>Harmony was due to residual inhibition about staking someone he had known
>when
>no lives were in immediate peril. Yes, Spike was helpless, but Xander's form
>looked good (not that that would have helped him if Spike had been back to
>normal. . .Xander has been one-punched by Spike twice). At least we know
>that
>he could still kick Wesley's ass. :-)
>
A five-year-old could kick Wesley's ass. But that may change someday...
<snip>
>Also loved the bell tolling
>>during the fight. Riley seemed to do a lot better than he should have.
>
>I think he is enhanced somehow (probably stronger than normal human,
>comparing
>his hand to hand performance against Buffy's). I think that Buffy is still
>stronger, though. . .no one Riley hit flew back fifteen feet.
>
Riley just seems to be really well-trained and in great shape - he held his
own, but he couldn't do the superhuman stuff like Buffy. I didn't see anything
that would indicate enhancement, beyond lots and lots of combat training.
>
>>= Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
>>"Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
>>Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
>>Was the little girl Buffy or the princess who screamed in the fairy
>>tale? Also, the Pandora's box imagery was cool.
>>
>>= Spike certainly eats a lot of food, considering it must not taste
>>great. "It gives the blood some texture."
>
>Also, we saw Spike with peanut butter! Maybe it was Angel all along who left
>the peanut butter on the sheets in "Room with a Vu."
>
>>= We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
>>dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode. Score
>>one for diversity in the 'dale.
>
>Although we almost lost Forrest and Riley to the Elevator of Death (hmm, one
>faulty voice recognition module and everyone in the elevator could buy it. .
>.a
>little extreme for my tastes).
>
They do remind me of the Watchers in moments like these. "Let's overdo
everything, shall we?" Nothing like accidentally killing your own people to
prove what a crack organization you are.
>>= My favorite thing in this episode: "In case of emergency, use
>>stairwell." Riley's so smart, yet he forgot he had to say his name to
>>get into SPECTRE's HQ?
>
>Even smart people can overlook the obvious. Buffy picked up the phone,
>didn't
>she?
>
That was funny - Xander's first instinct was to call Buffy, and he did it
before he even realized it wouldn't do any good. *Loved* the look Spike gave
him when he hung up.
>
>>= On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used in
>>the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
>
>Now, now. A residual here and there can be useful for allowing former
>annoying
>music stars to survive without telethons or standing on the street with signs
>saying "Will Rap for Food."
>
LOL. You call that rapping? :-)
Some more "Hush" thoughts:
The Gentlemen - Very creepy. Everything with them reminded me of silent horror
movies (which was apparently Joss' intention). Nice homage to German
Expressionism. Made me want to break out my copy of "Nosferatu".
Also, the scene with the overhead projector. Giles' mood music was just like a
silent film score, and he had title cards and everything. Plus, Anya eating
popcorn.
This cast rocks! They got to prove just how expressive they can be without
words, and everyone came through (even Marc Blucas!). Big risk for Whedon to
take, on a show which is usually so dependent on dialogue. It just proves how
much more this show - and its cast - has going for it.
More prophetic Buffy dreams. We haven't seen one of those in a while. Might
she start getting suspicious of Professor Walsh now?
And Buffy and Riley are at least aware that they both have secret lives, even
if they don't know the specifics (*great* way to end the show, too - they
always communicate best when they can't speak, don't they? I'm guessing that
conversation didn't get too far.)
Riley gets more attractive every week. I'd still rather be Olivia than Buffy
though ;-)
Xander and Anya - too cute. They really luuuuuv each other. And hate Spike
(who is hilarious when he's being annoying).
Liked the Wicca group. Willow is interested in spells, not "empowerment" and
"wanna Blessed Bes". This is exactly the reaction she'd probably get in the
real world too, since most Wiccans don't seem to get too heavily into
spellcasting - it's more of a symbolic ritual thing than a real magic thing.
To sum up:
This episode kicked ass.
The cast is amazing.
Joss is a god.
I think that pretty much sums it up.
Loey
Gesture of the Week (since there was so little dialogue):
Buffy's realization that her kill-the-bad-guy motion was being misconstrued.
Roberto Castillo
I came home just in time to see that "vicpusateri"
<vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> had written:
>... Mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>mockingbird
>
>and
>if
>that
>mocking
>bird
>don't
>sing
>
>mama's
>gonna
>buy
>you
>a
>diamond
>ring
>
>that should be enough.
>
>excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>
>= We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
>dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode. Score
>one for diversity in the 'dale.
>
Maybe I'm just weird. Riley and Forrest seemed to remind me of Alley
and Rene from Alley McBeal's first season (when the show was still
worth watching). Riley McFinn? I kind of get that vibe from them,
especially when Forrest is giving Riley advice.
Eric F.
> = Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
> chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
> question.]
I have. I recently watched an entire ep from beginning to end & it wasn't
purile, like I expected. In fact, it kinda reminded me of "Buffy" in a
way. Not that I'll watch it regularly, but it was a good show.
Later,
Eric F., Buffy Fan
----
(thankful SOMEone at last has acknowledged Buffy's supreme babeosity ;)
[to Buffy] "You're a very beautiful girl who should be covered with men.
And, can we be those men?" - Smart Guy1 ("Beer, Bad")
B. Richardson
> Also, the scene with the overhead projector. Giles' mood music was just like a
> silent film score, and he had title cards and everything.
I agree, the music was great-- "Danse Macabre" by C. Saint-Säenz
Don Sample
Eiland <eila...@aol.com> wrote:
> >= Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
> >chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
> >question.]
>
> I assumed that this topic would create a supernova of speculation. . .and on
> this topic I was correct. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. .
> .the most interesting take I've seen so far is that Tara is Catherine Madison
> in disguise, waiting for a chance at revenge (credit Kate Bolin with that one,
> and also note that I've seen at least one spoiler post that suggests that
> Catherine the Great is indeed returning. . .stay tuned).
Pre-season rumour -- Possible spoiler ahead
One of the rumours which was floating around about the upcoming season
back during the summer was that Jenny Calendar's sister would be making
an appearance. I'm thinking maybe Jenny had a sister who is much
younger than Jenny was.
--
Don Sample, dsa...@synapse.net
Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://www.synapse.net/~dsample/BBC
Quando omni flunkus moritati
Don Sample
> >= Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny. Also, the guy
> >selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
> ><sigh> Someday it'll be me.
>
> Surprised that anyone would have the nerve to try that, given that
> the populace seemed to be in the "loot and fight" mood. . .that was a
> nasty move Buffy pulled on that guy fighting in the street. . .I
> thought I heard a bone snap (truth be told, I'd rather watch her do
> that than Steven Seagal :-) ).
The loot and fight didn't start to happen until after sundown (and
there really didn't seem to be much of that going on.)
Nice touch: The bank was closed, but the liquor store was open, and
doing brisk business.
Don Sample
>
> >= My favorite thing in this episode: "In case of emergency, use
> >stairwell." Riley's so smart, yet he forgot he had to say his name to
> >get into SPECTRE's HQ?
>
> Even smart people can overlook the obvious. Buffy picked up the phone, didn't
> she?
Picking up the phone wasn't a dumb thing to do. At the time she had no
idea how wide spread the silence was. For all she knew it could have
been Giles phoning from outside the effected zone, to tell her what was
happening and how to fix it.
Even the silence at the other end told her something. It told her that
someone who would call her in a crisis was also effected. And if her
phone had caller ID she'd even know who it was.
Worry
couldn't remember his override code. Bet he looks it up now, huh? ;)
I was very impressed by this episode, and indeed this season. Coming into it I
thought Buffy goes to College was going to suck rotten eggs, but this season
has been great. Glad I was wrong and hope the writers continue the great work.
Willow Rose
"vicpusateri" <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> ... Mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> mockingbird
>
> and
> if
> that
> mocking
> bird
> don't
> sing
>
> mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> diamond
> ring
>
> that should be enough.
>
They should have had them use those "Teeth" to chew the
hearts out... now THAT would have been scarry... heh heh...
Willow Rose
†††
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
C. Barrans
>
> ... Mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> mockingbird
>
> and
> if
> that
> mocking
> bird
> don't
> sing
>
> mama's
> gonna
> buy
> you
> a
> diamond
> ring
>
> that should be enough.
>
>
> = Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
> Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
> the window? That scene also reminded me of _Child of the Hunt_.
I thought, "No, don't kill the black woman!" Besides the diversity
issue, Giles doesn't need to have all his girlfriends die.
> = Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny.
Between that & Angel's riff on hack writers' presentations of vampires,
I think the writers were trying to make it clear to us viewers that we
need to pay attention to the Jossverse rather than complaining these
stories don't conform to what we know of real-world Wicca or Anne Rice
vampires. Never having been to a Wicca meeting, I don't know how much
like real ones this little group was. I do know I've met male Wiccans,
though--where were they? This seemd like just a women's empowerment
group trying to be trendy.
> Also, the guy
> selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
> <sigh> Someday it'll be me.
Or me. <double sigh>
> = Xander had terrible hair tonight,
It matched Anya's bad hair.
>
> = Hope some of those orgasms are Anya's. Loved Spike's interest, and
> Giles's disinterest in Xander's sex life.
Loved the tender expressions on Giles' and Olivia's faces when Xander &
Anya hugged, then Giles' expression of disgust at Anya's hand gestures.
> = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
> evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> looked/sounded silly.
Joss must've watched a Stephen Hawking interview recently.
> = Speaking of whom, definitely saw the Harrison Ford-ness of Marc
> Blucas tonight. He's getting more attractive every week.
Oh, yeah!
> = Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
> "Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
> Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
I'm wondering if the beginning part of that dream will have some
relevance in future episodes. Will we learn that Walsh is trying to get
Riley & Buffy together for some reason? To demonstrate what?
> Was the little girl Buffy or the princess who screamed in the fairy
> tale? Also, the Pandora's box imagery was cool.
I wondered about the girl myself.
> = On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used in
> the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
But whoever picked Sheila Chandra music for the _Roswell_ commercial has
taste.
-- CB
°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
I'm lost in the void between the instinct and the institution
--"Sometimes," Les Rhythmes Digitales & Nik Kershaw
C.L. Lassiter
> = Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
> Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
> the window?
Yep. And as for Joyce, she seems to be a virtual nonentity this
year. I rather liked her. Too bad, but it makes sense with the college
thing and all, even though they are in the same town.
> = Tara's crushing on Willow. Now if they derat Amy, will they rival the
> chicks on _Charmed_? [I've never watched Charmed, so that's an actual
> question.]
Well, they'd have the state covered. Different approaches,
though, totally. I like C except for the fact that they write a decent ep
only to realize they only have 2.5 minutes left to resolve everything, in
(as someone in the a.t.c group pointed out to me) typical Spelling
fashion.
> = Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny.
Agreed. Any religion that can't stand a little fun poked at it is
taking itself far too seriously.
Also, the guy
> selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
I was rolling. 2 seconds and someone's making a profit. Ahhhhh,
America.
> <sigh> Someday it'll be me.
I have some oceanfront property in Wyoming to sell you. :-)
> = More orange = bad. And what's with Buffy and the shawls?
I love women in shawls. Elegant, feminine, and she's so beautiful
she can wear anything and look fantastic.
> = Xander/Spike shippers, rev your engines. "I'm moist and delicious"
> Oh, yeah. And Spike's little Anya voice was great.
Hysterical
> = The Gentlemen were scary looking.
They were the scariest monsters I've seen on B.
And I thought the writing and directing were brilliant. Go,
JW. I loved how it ended with R and B agreeing to talk and fade to black.
cl
Thomas
"M. Scott Eiland" wrote:
> victoria p., our beloved Miss July, wrote:
>
> >... Mama's
> >gonna
> >buy
> >you
> >a
> >mockingbird
> >
> >and
> >if
> >that
> >mocking
> >bird
> >don't
> >sing
> >
> >mama's
> >gonna
> >buy
> >you
> >a
> >diamond
> >ring
> >
> >that should be enough.
> >
> >excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
<snip>
> Surprised that anyone would have the nerve to try that, given that the populace
> seemed to be in the "loot and fight" mood. . .that was a nasty move Buffy
> pulled on that guy fighting in the street. . .I thought I heard a bone snap
> (truth be told, I'd rather watch her do that than Steven Seagal :-) ).
You did. Which just goes to show that you -never- mess with Buffys
boyfriend. It tends to piss her off.
<snip>
> Also loved the bell tolling
> >during the fight. Riley seemed to do a lot better than he should have.
>
> I think he is enhanced somehow (probably stronger than normal human, comparing
> his hand to hand performance against Buffy's). I think that Buffy is still
> stronger, though. . .no one Riley hit flew back fifteen feet.
My take is that he has tons of combat-training and is probably flying
on the best mix of preformance-enhancing chemicals that the US govt
can cook up. He might not have felt all that great the morning after.
I´m really looking forward to seeing Buffys reaction to learning about
the Initiative....
We also got quite a bit of evidence of the good intentions of the
Initiative this episode.
Galina Shubina
>
>"M. Scott Eiland" <eila...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:19991215032317...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
>> victoria p., our beloved Miss July, wrote:
>>
>> >> > ... Mama's
>> >> > gonna
>> >> > buy
>> >> > you
>> >> > a
>> >> > mockingbird
>> >> >
>> >> > and
>> >> > if
>> >> > that
>> >> > mocking
>> >> > bird
>> >> > don't
>> >> > sing
>> >> >
>> >> > mama's
>> >> > gonna
>> >> > buy
>> >> > you
>> >> > a
>> >> > diamond
>> >> > ring
>> >> >
>> >> > that should be enough.
>> >> >
>that
>> vampires are immune to breathed gasses?) deserves at least a raised
>eyebrow
>> (in a confined situation, non-lethal methods are far more practical and
>might
>> yield prisoners to explain the breach in security).
>
>What gets me is that "In Case of Emergency, Use Stairwell" If whatever's on
>that floor is so security sensitive, what kind of precautions do they have
>on the stairwell that don't require voice? And why would anyone take the
>elevator? They were going "down" right?
>
As a well-known adage goes: if somebody says it's true, that doesn't make
it true. The "lethal countermeasures" could just be something fairly innocuous
(like tear gas or something paralysing) there to scare whoever it is that is
not supposed to be there. The staircase is probably monitored "manually,"
or maybe at least has a buzzer :-).
Either way, loved the elevator scene and the one immediately after that
("use the stairwell, dudes").
G.Sh.
Reepicheep
>vicpusateri wrote:
>>
>> ... Mama's
>> gonna
>> buy
>> you
>> a
>> mockingbird
>>
>> and
>> if
>> that
>> mocking
>> bird
>> don't
>> sing
>>
>> mama's
>> gonna
>> buy
>> you
>> a
>> diamond
>> ring
>>
>> that should be enough.
>>
>>
>> Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
>
>I thought, "No, don't kill the black woman!" Besides the diversity
>issue, Giles doesn't need to have all his girlfriends die.
I never even thought of her getting killed. I was thinking, "Go get Giles!" I figured it would help if
Giles saw "the gentlemen" himself to figure out how to stop them. But then, I didn't know Olivia
was such a good artist.
>> = Satire of the Wicca group, though gentle, was funny.
>
>Between that & Angel's riff on hack writers' presentations of vampires,
>I think the writers were trying to make it clear to us viewers that we
>need to pay attention to the Jossverse rather than complaining these
>stories don't conform to what we know of real-world Wicca or Anne Rice
>vampires.
Good point. I never thought of it that way. But it did seem a little awkward when Angel was
talking about Hollywood vamps. Just something eerie about it.
> Never having been to a Wicca meeting, I don't know how much
>like real ones this little group was. I do know I've met male Wiccans,
>though--where were they? This seemd like just a women's empowerment
>group trying to be trendy.
That was it; woman power, and all that, not witches.
>> Also, the guy
>> selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
>> <sigh> Someday it'll be me.
>
>Or me. <double sigh>
But isn't; it a little troubling how someone always figures out a way to make a buck off of
people's suffering?
>> = Xander had terrible hair tonight,
>
>It matched Anya's bad hair.
I didn't notice. I really don't care about Xander's hair, and I'm using not looking at Anya'a hair
when she's around. : )
>> = Hope some of those orgasms are Anya's. Loved Spike's interest, and
>> Giles's disinterest in Xander's sex life.
>
>Loved the tender expressions on Giles' and Olivia's faces when Xander &
>Anya hugged, then Giles' expression of disgust at Anya's hand gestures.
Even people who don't know sign language knew what she meant. That was the real sign
(ASL) for sex she used.
[snip]
>> = Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
>> "Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
>> Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
>
>I'm wondering if the beginning part of that dream will have some
>relevance in future episodes. Will we learn that Walsh is trying to get
>Riley & Buffy together for some reason? To demonstrate what?
I think that part was just Buffy's fantasy, no real meaning to it.
[snip]
><> Reepicheep <><
><> Darkness to Light <><
><> http://www.dtl.org <><
Roberto Castillo
written:
>M. Scott Eiland wrote:
>
>>
>>>that should be enough.
>>>
>>Xander's performance convinced me finally that his lousy performance against
>>Harmony was due to residual inhibition about staking someone he had known
>>when
>>no lives were in immediate peril. Yes, Spike was helpless, but Xander's form
>>looked good (not that that would have helped him if Spike had been back to
>>normal. . .Xander has been one-punched by Spike twice). At least we know
>>that
>>he could still kick Wesley's ass. :-)
>>
>
>A five-year-old could kick Wesley's ass. But that may change someday...
>
If wearing the leather pants of evil didn't help, what will?
JOHN E MORRIS
JOHN E MORRIS <JEA...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:83741r$4ge2$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
> evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> looked/sounded silly.
>
> First - never thought they were evil at all. Second - if it's good enough
> for Stephen Hawkings, it's good enough for Walsh.
>
> JEM
>
Well, guess y'all are too stupid to know who Stephen Hawkings is, hmmm
JEM
Don Sample
MORRIS <JEA...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Of course Stephen Hawkings can't type fast enough to be able to carry
on a conversation with anyone who isn't *really* patient. Whenever you
see him interviewed on a TV science show or something, they edit out
the several minutes he uses to compose his responses.
stacker
consider the attributes all screwed up by now.
>>> Also, the guy
>>> selling message boards. Hey, someone's gonna make money no matter what.
>>> <sigh> Someday it'll be me.
>>
>>Or me. <double sigh>
>
>But isn't; it a little troubling how someone always figures out a way to make a buck off of
>people's suffering?
In office supply stores in my area, $10 is a reasonable price for
message boards of that size. That was one of the [very slight]
problems I had with the ep, that the vender WASN'T trying to gouge his
customers. $50 would have been more realistic.
>>> = Buffy's SlayerDream[TM]: was "If I kiss you, the sun will go down"
>>> "Fortune favors the brave" [one of my fave aphorisms, btw] about the
>>> Gentlemen, or was that a different warning, or just random dream talk?
>>
>>I'm wondering if the beginning part of that dream will have some
>>relevance in future episodes. Will we learn that Walsh is trying to get
>>Riley & Buffy together for some reason? To demonstrate what?
>
>I think that part was just Buffy's fantasy, no real meaning to it.
I took it to mean the the prof would one day have Buffy on her
examination table, and Riley would rescue her.
The Man with No Serotonin
>
> We also got quite a bit of evidence of the good intentions of the
> Initiative this episode.
The desire for order is not intrinsically good.
John Hogan
Biddle Law Library/AFSCME Local 590
Don Sample
<jho...@law.upenn.edu> wrote:
> Thomas wrote:
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > We also got quite a bit of evidence of the good intentions of the
> > Initiative this episode.
>
> The desire for order is not intrinsically good.
>
> John Hogan
Depends on how you define order.
We didn't see the Initiative guys out making sure that everyone lined
up in nice straight lines in order to get their daily ration of bread.
The only thing we saw any of them do was break up a fight. And Riley
did it a lot less forcefully than Buffy. (Another little problem I had
with the episode - someone with the sort of training Riley supposedly
has would have turned his back on the white guy.)
vicpusateri
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
I wrote:
> > = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
> > evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> > looked/sounded silly.
> >
> > First - never thought they were evil at all. Second - if it's good
enough
> > for Stephen Hawkings, it's good enough for Walsh.
> >
And then he said:
> Well, guess y'all are too stupid to know who Stephen Hawkings is, hmmm
>
I gess thats y u r hear. to tell us how ignerint we all is.
victoira p.
miz juli
--
"To read makes our speaking English good." Xander Harris, _Buffy the Vampire
Slayer_
Rick Hodge
wrote:
>vicpusateri wrote:
>>
>> ... Mama's
>> gonna
>> buy
>> you
>> a
>> mockingbird
>>
>> and
>> if
>> that
>> mocking
>> bird
>> don't
>> sing
>>
>> mama's
>> gonna
>> buy
>> you
>> a
>> diamond
>> ring
>>
>> that should be enough.
>>
>> excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
>>
>> = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
>> evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
>> looked/sounded silly.
>
>Joss must've watched a Stephen Hawking interview recently.
>
If you don't mind a newbie here responding, I must say that when
I heard that voice, I immediately thought of the Space Ghost Coast to
Coast episode, "Warren", in which a computer repeatedly said, "You've
destroyed Warren. I'm telling".
regards,
Rick Hodge
"See the dizzy spell. I would like a dizzy spell, too."
--Paul Merton, "Whose Line is It, Anyway?"
"If the ref didn't see it, it didn't happen."
--Moltar
"I believe that in some parallel universe out there,
Adam West played Captain Kirk in "Star Trek" while
William Shatner played the title role of "Batman".
--Rick Hodge
Rat & Swan
> On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:40:55 -0500, "C. Barrans" <cbar...@erols.com>
> wrote:
> >vicpusateri wrote:
> >> = Jury's still out on the Initiative. They might not be outrightly
> >> evol. What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
> >> looked/sounded silly.
> >Joss must've watched a Stephen Hawking interview recently.
> If you don't mind a newbie here responding, I must say that when
> I heard that voice, I immediately thought of the Space Ghost Coast to
> Coast episode, "Warren", in which a computer repeatedly said, "You've
> destroyed Warren. I'm telling".
Actually, it's a text-to-speech prg such as JAWS for Windows, Flipper,
or WindowEyes. Text-to-Speech prgs, or screenreaders, as they are
sometimes called, are standard programs enabling blind computer users to
access the print on the screen. I occasionally use JAWS for Windows
anong with screen magnification.
It may sound strange to people, but such computer 'voices' enable
visually impaired people to access computers that would otherwise be
impossible. Another means of communication of print to accessible
information is the RBD or Refreshable Braille Display. That is a strip
of one or at most two lines, of eight-dot Braille cells (on their side
they look like this _ ::::). Normal brail is six dot (:::) arranged in a
vertical cell, but computer symbols are complex enough that an extra
pair of dots have been added at the bottom or top. These rows of cells
are actually small holes through which tiny tips or pins project. at
signals from the program, the tips in the array rais and lower to form
the braille words. The dots are felt by passing the finger tips over
the line, then keying for the next line of text on the keyboard, much as
you use the 'up' mousecursor command. Since blind persons cannot use
GUI or the mouse easily, all directions must be keyed in manually. Thank
Ghod for the CTRL-Key! :)
Interestingly enough, the 'voice' of such systems is very sophisticated
in what it 'knows' how to say. It can be fooled, however, such as with
my screen name 'Swan' which my prg pronounces to rhym with 'man' instead
of 'fawn'! I could reprogram it,. but I'm lazy! :) A friend of mine
uses the screen handle MusicalOne which his and my programs both
mispronounce "music alone". While the voice may be irritating at first,
and difficult to understand, it is a godsend and after awhile it is
very easy. Some prgs have different 'voices' (hardware, such as
DECTalk, Artic et cetera, do to) and you can make the computer sound
like a woman, a man, a robot, fast, slow, spelling out letter by letter,
et cetera.
HTH!
Anyone interested in access technology for the blind and visually
impaired, or any other visually related subjects, look up
http://www.nfb.org and feel free to browse around.
Swan
Ben Llewellyn
>
> vicpusateri wrote:
> >
> > ... Mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > mockingbird
> >
> > and
> > if
> > that
> > mocking
> > bird
> > don't
> > sing
> >
> > mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > diamond
> > ring
> >
> > that should be enough.
> >
> > excessively random thoughts on "Hush":
> >
> > Giles's disinterest in Xander's sex life.
>
> Loved the tender expressions on Giles' and Olivia's faces when Xander &
> Anya hugged, then Giles' expression of disgust at Anya's hand gestures.
Actually, it took me a few moments to realize what she was doing. At
first, I thought she had just proposed marriage.
Ben Llewellyn
Ben Llewellyn
> > ... Mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > mockingbird
> >
> > and
> > if
> > that
> > mocking
> > bird
> > don't
> > sing
> >
> > mama's
> > gonna
> > buy
> > you
> > a
> > diamond
> > ring
> >
> > that should be enough.
> >
>
> hearts out... now THAT would have been scarry... heh heh...
Then they wouldn't have been Gentlemen.
Ben
Micky DuPree
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"vicpusateri" <vicpu...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
: = Olivia is back. Not a watcher. I feel like Giles is cheating on
: Joyce. Did anyone else think she was going to buy it when she went to
: the window?
In a passing wave of paranoia, I thought she was somehow in on the
attack and that she therefore wouldn't survive the episode for *that*
reason.
: = The Gentlemen were scary looking.
"Hush" was the single dullest episode of _Buffy_ I've ever seen, but I
can see where that might be due to the fact that I don't give the
expected response to straightforward traditional horror (which was why
the lone bright spot for me was the humor of the A/V presentation in the
lecture hall). I can accept that "Hush" just plain wasn't written for
me.
: What was Walsh's ridiculous talking computer about? It just
: looked/sounded silly.
I don't know about you, but I can type faster than I can write.
: = We need more Forrest. "We have to Clark Kent our way through the
: dating scene." Plus, both he and Olivia survived another episode.
: Score one for diversity in the 'dale.
Yeah, I keep waiting for the boom to fall on them.
: = On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used
: in the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
"Everyone in tacky."
-Micky
Vincent G. Macek
> : = On a side note: Whoever decided that "Ice Ice Baby" should be used
> : in the Gap commercial should be strung up by their instestinces.
>
> "Everyone in tacky."
>
I've said it before; if the royalties are enough to keep Vanilla Ice
from reinventing himself and inflicting himself on us yet again, the
commercial did its job.
VMacek
David Samuel Barr
>
> XFWatcher wrote in message
> <19991215023740...@ng-fm1.aol.com>...
> >
> >Not to mention, based on tonight's episode , the Initiative seems to
> >be totally
> >in the dark. They may know how to take down vampires but they know
> >bupkiss
>
> bupkiss? bupkiss? A neat word, but what the hell is it?
Oy, such a goyische group ve've got around here these days.... :) :) :)
Bupkes is a Yiddish word, meaning "nothing". I'm sure our resident
Yiddish professor from Down Under can elaborate further on the specific
etymology.
TJ
>>but I'm sure that because of the nature of large groups there
>>will be plenty of opportunity for institutional paranoia and
>>inertia to generate plot points.
>>
>>
>
>Not to mention, based on tonight's episode , the Initiative seems to be
totally
>in the dark. They may know how to take down vampires but they know bupkiss
bupkiss? bupkiss? A neat word, but what the hell is it?
>about how to investigate and research a supernatural crisis. Score 1 more
for
>the Scooby Gang!
>
>Maybe The Initiative could have fought those guys forever, with all their
fancy
>government equipment but they still would have had no idea on how to solve
the
>problem.
>
>Leave the supernatural crime fighting to the professionals, guys.
>
>L.
vicpusateri
[...]> But whoever picked Sheila Chandra music for the _Roswell_
> commercial has taste.
Is that who that is? That song - or the snippet used in the ad - is
gorgeous. Is the album worth getting?
victoria p.
Miss July
--
"She's eighteen years old, and you have the emotional maturity of a
blueberry scone." Giles, to Wesley, _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_
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Captain Average
>
>Bupkes is a Yiddish word, meaning "nothing". I'm sure our resident
>Yiddish professor from Down Under can elaborate further on the specific
>etymology.
Oy veh ist mir. Even a goyische super-type such my own bad self knows from
bupkes. Perhaps it's because of my being from an older generation (and
having had aJewish gorlfriend many years ago).
I'd like to recommend Leo Rosten's "The Joy of Yiddish" to those of my
fellow goyim who like colourful and expressive language (you'll be suprized
by how many words and phrases you know and be shocked by what some of them
mean!)
Captain Average - Super-type Mensch
C. Barrans
>
> C. Barrans wrote
> [...]> But whoever picked Sheila Chandra music for the _Roswell_
> > commercial has taste.
>
> Is that who that is?
They used different music in the ads this past week. The song I was
talking about had lyrics like "Sink into your eyes and all I see, love
is an ocean..." and "Your ocean refuses no river." That track is a
medley of "Ever So Lonely/Eyes/Ocean" from Sheila Chandra's album
_Weaving My Ancestors' Voices_.
> That song - or the snippet used in the ad - is
> gorgeous. Is the album worth getting?
If you liked what you heard, definitely buy the album. The song may
also be on a compilation album, but I'd recommend getting _Weaving..._
first. She loves to play around with different vocal traditions, like
adding Arabic ornamentation to a Celtic folk song.
(Quite different versions of "Eyes" and "Ever So Lonely" can be found on
an old album by Monsoon, a band Sheila was in as a teenager. Monsoon's
_Third Eye_ is a fun combination of '80s pop music and Indian music,
slightly predating the World Music craze.)
-- CB
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Never say that nice guys finish last when it is obvious
that nice guys run in a different race.
vicpusateri
news:3864FDCE...@erols.com...
> vicpusateri wrote:
> >
> > C. Barrans wrote
> > [...]> But whoever picked Sheila Chandra music for the _Roswell_
> > > commercial has taste.
> >
> > Is that who that is?
>
> They used different music in the ads this past week. The song I was
> talking about had lyrics like "Sink into your eyes and all I see, love
> is an ocean..." and "Your ocean refuses no river." That track is a
> medley of "Ever So Lonely/Eyes/Ocean" from Sheila Chandra's album
> _Weaving My Ancestors' Voices_.
>
Yeah, that's the one I'm looking for.
> > That song - or the snippet used in the ad - is
> > gorgeous. Is the album worth getting?
>
> If you liked what you heard, definitely buy the album. The song may
> also be on a compilation album, but I'd recommend getting _Weaving..._
> first. She loves to play around with different vocal traditions, like
> adding Arabic ornamentation to a Celtic folk song.
[...]
Thanks.
victoria p.
Miss July
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"Arthur, my moustache is touching my brain!" - The Tick