Is it ME, or did BLADE ripoff BYVS a little....
JPo6531128
wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that seemed
familiar...
1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked darn
familiar.
Now, John Carpenter is coming out with a Vampire movie.
Seems people are really cashing in on Joss's success.
Don Sample
jpo65...@aol.com (JPo6531128) wrote:
>I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and good
>wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that seemed
>familiar...
>1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
>2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
>3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked darn
>familiar.
I have commented on this before, but I will repeat myself:
Film/TV scheduling being what it is any similarities between Buffy & Blade
are purely coincidental. If any copying was being done Joss copied Blade.
Blade was pretty much finished before Joss even wrote Becoming.
--
Don Sample, dsa...@synapse.net
Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://www.synapse.net/~dsample/BBC
Quando omni flunkus moritati
XZV3
>I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and good
>wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that seemed
>familiar...
>1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
>2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
>3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked
>darn
>familiar.
>
>Seems people are really cashing in on Joss's success.
First Blade has been around for decades, so if anything its the other way
around. Second his name is Blade for crying out loud what would you expect them
to do during the finale, throw toothpicks at each other. And last Buffy has not
even been on four 3 seasons so I wouldnt make a call about everybody ripping
off Joss and vampire movies have been around for as long as there has been
movies so just because more are coming out doesnt mean that they are ripping
off Buffy in fact most Sci-Fi / Horror writers despise the show completly.
Andrew Michael Howes
Ruthven
JPo6531128 wrote in message
<199809130514...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and
good
>wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that
seemed
>familiar...
>Seems people are really cashing in on Joss's success.
I guess I'll help beat the dead horse here, but I also think it's just
coincidence. Both Blade and John Carpenter's Vampires have been in
development for years. Plus, the idea of a vampire named "Angel" is not a
new one, as vampires are sometimes described as "Angels of Darkness."
Personally, I'm getting tired of all these "so-and-so ripped so-and-so off"
discussion threads. I was able to enjoy Blade without comparing it to BtVS
or anything else for that matter.
Movies and entertainment with similar themes come out all the time. While
some of these are ripoffs of something that is popular, many times different
writers come up with similar concepts at the same time. Look at Armageddon
vs. Deep Impact this summer, or Dante's Peak vs. Volcano last year. And
remember all of those brain switch movies from the eighties? Vampires and
vampire hunters have been popular for years, and with their popularity in
the 90's, it's only natural that more films and TV shows will mine (or
exploit) the subject.
Ruthven
The Reverend Gianni Ragu
I saw this real dumb movie the other day called the LosT BoYs that was a
total ripofff of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It was so blatant that it was
just a clone of Joss' style. For one, it had humour mixed in with the
scares. Also, the vampire hunters in the movie were teenagers JUST LIKE
Buffy! And they used wooden stakes, JUST LIKE BUFFY!!! To make matters
worse, the vampire played by Keifer Sutherland had hair and a leather
trenchcoat that was similar to Spike's! Speaking of which, wasn't Keifer's
dad in the Buffy movie?!?
Luzd...@webtv.net
Chronicles" books.
You are right, "Blade" was a ripp-off of Buffy. The special effects,
the martial arts, the troubled hero, etc., everything seems to copy BtVS
(even Kris Kristofferson gave a pretty good imitation of Giles (of
course they tried to hide the fact by making KK dirty and long haired)).
It also "borrows" a little from "Kindred: The Embrace" a mafia-vampire
show cancelled last year.
Luna
Chris' News
about 30 years old. I only have one issue, so I don't know much about the
character. I do know that Blade has been around a lot longer than Buffy.
Still, Buffy rules!
JPo6531128 wrote in message
<199809130514...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and
good
>wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that
seemed
>familiar...
>1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
>2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
>3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked
darn
>familiar.
>
>Now, John Carpenter is coming out with a Vampire movie.
rlblack
the theatres, and then onto video for at least 5 years before Buffy the
Vampire Slayer *movie* was released..... Therefor.. all yor claims are
really REALLY stupid. Stakes have been part of the vampire mythos for
centuries, and The Lost Boys was a Teen Horror Flick that was aimed toward
well.... teenagers, so having the main characters be teens would not be
unusual. So really, could it be that Joss cloned this style?
-R-
rlblack
On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 Luzd...@webtv.net wrote:
I would hate to say this again.. but I don't.... Blade has been around in
the Marvel Comic universe for about 10 years, which is about how long
I've
been collecting. Blade is a hybrid Vampire/Human mix, and always has
been... Whistler is the guy who found him. Blade made himself into a
"Batman" type superhero to hunt down vampires... that includes martial
arts, swordplay, and weapon knowledge. This all preceeds Buffy.
The Three B's
>
> Before you go blasting "The Lost Boys" you need to get a grip. TLB is at least
> 10 years old which means that it in no way could have ripped off Buffy.
> Everything in Hollywood is derivative but that doesn't necessarily make it a
> rip-off. If you check out this week's TV Guide of "Fall Favorites" that
> reviews all the new shows coming on this year, you will see several references
> to new shows that are Buffy-inspired but that doesn't make them rip-offs.
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>
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>
You know, you probably get this all the time, but how'd you decide on
Ruthven? You a Polidori fan?
The Three Bs
The Three B's
least equalled him! I can understand missing sarcasm with only a single
line, but the original poster was REALLY, REALLY, REALLY blatant about
the sarcasm. It was a joke! Get it? A joke?
The Three Bs
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Allen W. Wright
> It's hard to say. I have a Blade - The Vampire Slayer comic book that
> is
> about 30 years old. I only have one issue, so I don't know much about
> the
> character. I do know that Blade has been around a lot longer than
> Buffy.
> Still, Buffy rules!
Blade was created in 1970. His full title was Blade the Vampire
Hunter.
The movie script has been around for many years. One sign of this is
when the Spider-Man cartoon used Blade a few years ago, they
encorporated elements from the movie version (like Whistler). And the
film was most definitely shot before the Becoming was written.
The two Whistlers seem different.
I do think Joss Whedon must have had "Blade the Vampire Hunter" in the
back of his mind when he created the title "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".
But I don't know if there'd have been much borrowing other than name
alone. And if there was, it was Buffy that borrowed from Blade.
Allen
beg...@frontiernet.net
>I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and good
>wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that seemed
>familiar...
>1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
>2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
>3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked darn
>familiar.
>
>Now, John Carpenter is coming out with a Vampire movie.
>Seems people are really cashing in on Joss's success.
This was a big topic on the planetx mailing list. Someone fowarded
these comments from Jeff Pruitt on the www.buffy.com posting board
from a few weeks ago:
Someone asked if Jeff had seen BLADE and what did he think about it:
"I did see BLADE. The funny thing is that when we shot our sword fight
they were having a test screening. The audience hated the ending
because Wesly never got to fight Frost at the end.
So... Clay Barber (the blonde Vamp in the finale that Sophia cracked
her finger on) left our set and went over there with another unit and
re-shot the ending. They added that whole sword fight because Clay
told them how cool ours was. Only they get tons of money and time and
we only have a few short hours. It was cool though. Now if they could
only learn to work on those charcters dialogue a bit. I guess I'm just
spoiled now..."
More from Jeff on BLADE:
"So ... if you get to see Blade, check out Frost very closely in that
fight. Especially in the part where he is jumping off a mini-tramp
right at the lens. You'll notice that he is really Clay (the vamp from
the opening of Halloween, Angel in the "hospital parking lot fight"
and the blonde vamp in Becoming 1& 2."
I hope Jeff doesn't mind me and others sending this around.....
Ruthven
The Three B's wrote in message <35FC98...@swbell.net>...
>You know, you probably get this all the time, but how'd you decide on
>Ruthven? You a Polidori fan?
Actually, you are the first person to ask me. I picked Ruthven for a couple
of reason; one, Dracula, Vlad, Lestat, Spike, whatever, are overused. Not to
knock people who use those handles, but I wanted something a bit more
obscure. I like Ruthven because vampire fans know (or _should_ know) exactly
who it is, but the name sounds kinda neat even if you have no idea what it
refers to. It also sounds like "Raven," one of my favorite animals.
I can't claim to be a Polidori fan, but I respect him for creating the
modern image of the vampire. If you like the short story "The Vampyre,"
you'd probably like the novel "Lord of the Dead" by Tom Holland; not great,
but far better than most vampire books glutting the shelves.
For those not in the know: On the night Mary Shelley conceived the idea for
Frankenstein, Lord Byron started a vampire story. He never finished it, but
his acquantance Dr. Polidori did. Polidori heavily based the main character,
Lord Ruthven, on Byron. Lord Ruthven is generally believed to be the first
modern vampire. Before Ruthven, vampires were generally thought to have been
bloated, undead peasants as opposed to the dark aristocratic figure we know
today.
David Samuel Barr
>
> The Three B's wrote in message <35FC98...@swbell.net>...
>
> >You know, you probably get this all the time, but how'd you decide on
> >Ruthven? You a Polidori fan?
>
> Actually, you are the first person to ask me. I picked Ruthven for a
> couple of reason; one, Dracula, Vlad, Lestat, Spike, whatever, are
> overused. Not to knock people who use those handles, but I wanted
> something a bit more obscure. I like Ruthven because vampire fans know
> (or _should_ know) exactly who it is, but the name sounds kinda neat
> even if you have no idea what it refers to. It also sounds like
> "Raven," one of my favorite animals.
>
> idea for Frankenstein, Lord Byron started a vampire story. He never
> finished it, but his acquantance Dr. Polidori did. Polidori heavily
> based the main character, Lord Ruthven, on Byron. Lord Ruthven is
> generally believed to be the first modern vampire. Before Ruthven,
> vampires were generally thought to have been bloated, undead peasants
> as opposed to the dark aristocratic figure we know today.
Oh well, so much for the idea that you had named yourself after
Sir Ruthven Murgatroyd, Baronet of Ruddigore (f/k/a Robin Oakapple).
(Don't seem to be too many Savoyards around here.)
christian
>
> I just saw BLADE today, and it wasn't bad - it had plenty of action, and good
> wholesome bloodshed, but I noticed just a few things in the movie that seemed
> familiar...
> 1.- There was a vamp named "Angel".
First off, if you're speaking of the vampire who kept losing his arms --
the blonde vamp called him Angel in one scene. Kind of like calling
someone Sweetheart or Baby. The character's name was Quinn.
> 2.- Blade's blood was the "key" to some ritual.
Buffy's blood has never been used in any ritual. Angel's blood was used
in a couple of rituals, but blood rituals/sacrifices aren't exactly
exclusive Buffy topics.
> 3.- There was a swordfight at the end between Blade and Frost that looked darn
> familiar.
I've never noticed much swordplay in Buffy.
> Now, John Carpenter is coming out with a Vampire movie.
> Seems people are really cashing in on Joss's success.
Vampire movies pop up pretty frequently. Both Bram Stoker's Dracula and
Interview with the Vampire did very well at the box office. John
Carpenter's Vampires has been out in Europe for about six months and I'm
sure that John Carpenter didn't care if Buffy was a success or not when
planning to make this movie, if Buffy was even on TV when he started the
project. Ditto for Blade.
BTW, Buffy has ripped off Puppet Masters/Body Snatchers, Frankenstein,
Creature from the Black Lagoon, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love Buffy,
but the shows are hardly that original in concept (in execution, now
that's another matter -- great execution).
Also, does anybody credit Xena for Buffy being on the air? Just
curious, before Xena's success there wasn't any female hero shows on the
air. Now there's Buffy and Nikita.
christian
Peter White
>curious, before Xena's success there wasn't any female hero shows on the
>air. Now there's Buffy and Nikita.
>
>christian
And Xena probably wouldn't be here without The Avengers (series, NOT
film). And wasn't the original Nikita film before Xena (or am I getting
confused)?
K.B.Lamke
believe.
I think you could put more credit in the female characters from the Star Trek
shows than from Zena alone.
It would be very easy to see a personality like Tasha, Ro, Keira, or Jax
getting there own shows, and with Zena and Buffy, its starting.
K.B.Lamke
Don Sample
>Peter White wrote:
>
>> >Also, does anybody credit Xena for Buffy being on the air? Just
>> >curious, before Xena's success there wasn't any female hero shows on the
>> >air. Now there's Buffy and Nikita.
>> >
>> >christian
>>
>> And Xena probably wouldn't be here without The Avengers (series, NOT
>> film). And wasn't the original Nikita film before Xena (or am I getting
>> confused)?
>
>There was a french movie Called "La Femme Nikita" made in the seventies, I
>believe.
>
> K.B.Lamke
La Femme Nikita was made in 1990, and there was an American cover version
done starring Bridget Fonda a year or so later.
Zer0
> >Also, does anybody credit Xena for Buffy being on the air? Just
> >curious, before Xena's success there wasn't any female hero shows on the
> >air. Now there's Buffy and Nikita.
> >
> >christian
>
> And Xena probably wouldn't be here without The Avengers (series, NOT
> film). And wasn't the original Nikita film before Xena (or am I getting
> confused)?
Sorry, I don't see any connection between Xena and The Avengers (other than
black leather).
Xena wouldn't be here without Hercules and the cancellation of Vanishing Son.
Yes, the Nikita film was before Xena (1990), but I don't think that tv execs
would have risked a series without the success of Xena. Ditto for Buffy
(whose film was also before Xena).
Generally, tv shows that feature heroic women predominently are paired up
with a man -- ex. X-Files, Silk Stockings and, yes The Avengers. But what
show before Xena can anyone name that features a heroine (not partnered with
a man) in the starring role? Cagney and Lacey, The Bionic Woman, Wonder
Woman, The Girl From Uncle -- that's all I could come up with (the most
recent of the shows I listed, C&L, ended in 1988 -- the others were much
older), are there any more?
Then Xena came out in 1995, followed by Nikita in 1996, followed by Buffy in
1997, followed by The Net (don't watch it) this year.
christian
K.B.Lamke
seventies.I remember seeing parts of it on TV when I was in school (graduated in 87)
The part where she goes down the laundry chute. Could someone please tell me I'm not
imagining things(again)
K.B.Lamke
Don Sample wrote:
> In article <36042CC5...@worldnet.att.net>, kbl...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> >Peter White wrote:
> >
> >> >Also, does anybody credit Xena for Buffy being on the air? Just
> >> >curious, before Xena's success there wasn't any female hero shows on the
> >> >air. Now there's Buffy and Nikita.
> >> >
> >> >christian
> >>
> >> And Xena probably wouldn't be here without The Avengers (series, NOT
> >> film). And wasn't the original Nikita film before Xena (or am I getting
> >> confused)?
> >
Riddler
> Generally, tv shows that feature heroic women predominently are paired up
> with a man -- ex. X-Files, Silk Stockings and, yes The Avengers. But what
> show before Xena can anyone name that features a heroine (not partnered with
> a man) in the starring role? Cagney and Lacey, The Bionic Woman, Wonder
> Woman, The Girl From Uncle -- that's all I could come up with (the most
> recent of the shows I listed, C&L, ended in 1988 -- the others were much
> older), are there any more?
The Girl From UNCLE did have a male sidekick.
David Samuel Barr
Played by Rex Harrison's son, Noel.
And how could you forget ElectraWoman and her sidekick, DynaGirl???
Andy00
Do movies count? Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind by Hayao Miyazaki featured
a strong woman.
"I have been a word in a book."
The Song of Taliesin
"If you will practice being fictional for a while, you will understand that
fictional characters are sometimes more real than people with bodies and
heartbeats."
Richard Bach -- "Illusions"
William George Ferguson
>> Generally, tv shows that feature heroic women predominently are paired up
>> with a man -- ex. X-Files, Silk Stockings and, yes The Avengers. But what
>> show before Xena can anyone name that features a heroine (not partnered with
>> a man) in the starring role? Cagney and Lacey, The Bionic Woman, Wonder
>> Woman, The Girl From Uncle -- that's all I could come up with (the most
>> recent of the shows I listed, C&L, ended in 1988 -- the others were much
>> older), are there any more?
Riddler <rid...@aye.net> wrote:
>The Girl From UNCLE did have a male sidekick.
Played by Rex Harrison's son (hey, we can tie that into Dru, and make
it on-topic)
The Bionic Woman had Steve Austin (Lee Majors) as inspiration and
frequent partner; and Oscar Goldman as boss/mentor in all of them
Wonder Woman had Steve Trevor (Lyle Waggoner)
H. McDaniel
>>Zer0 wrote:
>>> Generally, tv shows that feature heroic women predominently are paired up
>>> with a man -- ex. X-Files, Silk Stockings and, yes The Avengers. But what
>>> show before Xena can anyone name that features a heroine (not partnered with
>>> a man) in the starring role? Cagney and Lacey, The Bionic Woman, Wonder
The Flying Nun.
-McDaniel
x@x.x
Get Christy Love
jane
>
> fr...@primenet.com (William George Ferguson) writes:
>
> >>Zer0 wrote:
> >>> Generally, tv shows that feature heroic women predominently are paired up
> >>> with a man -- ex. X-Files, Silk Stockings and, yes The Avengers. But what
> >>> show before Xena can anyone name that features a heroine (not partnered with
> >>> a man) in the starring role? Cagney and Lacey, The Bionic Woman, Wonder
>
> The Flying Nun.
>
She had a guy, too. Aldo Rey?
David Samuel Barr
Alejandro Rey, and he wasn't paired up with her, he was simply a
prominent (read, wealthy) member of the community to whom the convent
looked when things were shaky. (And I don't think she really qualifies
as a "heroic woman" in the sense presented by the original poster, only
as one of a long line of female sitcom leads.)