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s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
Giles.

In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
to this".

I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
(Look at a certain title for a Sex Pistols Album)

How many more will they try to slip in??

SimonM

"we'd better make a fort..."
"I'll get some pillows"

Sarah Trombley

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<s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com> wrote:
>As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
>a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
>As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
>english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
>Giles.
>
>In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
>to this".

But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.


--Sarah T.


s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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On 27 May 2000 04:00:26 GMT, trom...@is08.fas.harvard.edu (Sarah
Trombley) wrote:

Yeah well, I come from Liverpool, so Bollocks and Manchester United
are the same thing - lol.

SimonM


Eric F.

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s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com wrote:

> As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that a large majority of A mericans do not > know are swear words. As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful* english accent, > even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from Giles.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assumed Spike used more of them because
he's of a lower class then Giles. Correct?

I also appreciate accurate accents, in any language. Good to know
Marsters (Spike) is doing a good job.

> In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks to this".

If I've deduced correctly, "bollocks" refers to part of the male
anatomy. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...



> I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word "bollocks" is considered a swear word, > albeit a minor one. (Look at a certain title for a Sex Pistols Album)

> How many more will they try to slip in??

Since you like them, I hope they put in a bunch.

I enjoy learning new U.K. slang. :)

Later,

Eric F., Buffy Fan
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>
> Yeah well, I come from Liverpool, so Bollocks and Manchester United
> are the same thing - lol.
>

As an Aussie who follows Premier League soccer and support Liverpool I'm
going to have to add a:

ditto

to your comments.
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Matt

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> s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com wrote:
-snip-

>
> If I've deduced correctly, "bollocks" refers to part of the male
> anatomy. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

that all depends, which part of the male anatomy are you talking about......
If there'a a pair of them then yes, you're right.


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Richie: Well, A) Bollocks, and B)....well I don;t need a B cause the A was
soo great!
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ColMoss

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Sarah Trombley <trom...@is08.fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
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> In article <0rguisooe246k32gh...@4ax.com>,

> <s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com> wrote:
> >As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
> >a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
> >As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
> >english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
> >Giles.
> >
> >In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
> >to this".
>>
Apparently, in `Goodbye Iowa` he also uttered `wankers`, but that particular
line didn`t make it past the Sky One censors.

>
>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
>
At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives several
thousand
miles away from Manchester.

s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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On Sat, 27 May 2000 11:36:22 +0100, "ColMoss" <c.m...@virgin.net>
wrote:

>Apparently, in `Goodbye Iowa` he also uttered `wankers`, but that particular
>line didn`t make it past the Sky One censors.

Yeah, good old english cencorship. They did that with "Married With
Children", too - as the "lady" of the house had a last namee of
"wanker", and they cut it out completely.


>>
>>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
>>
>At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives several
>thousand
>miles away from Manchester.

lol :O)

And I must say, James Marsters does a **wonderfu**l English accent.
Considering he is from thousands of miles away, it is *highly*
accurate.
Oh and anyway IMHO, Spike rules.
I was so happy the day that they made him a more permanent character -
the sarcasm/dry humour was just what I needed and what I think helped
the show along too.


SimonM

You can tell I am not *from* america as i spell humour with 2 u's. :O)

Keith

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some bird and/or geezer called s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com said

>I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
>"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.

A *very* minor one these days - it's almost fashionable to drop it into
polite conversation!

>How many more will they try to slip in??

I've got a great interview with Joss where he's asked "Do you think that
your time in Britain helped in any way to get the Brit characters right
like Giles and Wesley because some American TV shows tend to over Brit
the Brits." 'It's a danger' notes Joss. 'You do want the contrast
between Giles and Buffy but at the same time I do hope he's been a
little more human than just pure stuffy sometimes. I think it's helped
somewhat. Of course the great thing is there are some dirty words that
the American audience don't know!'

Keith

Keith

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some bird and/or geezer called Sarah Trombley said

>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.

"The Scum" would've been far more accurate...

Keith

Keith

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some bird and/or geezer called ColMoss <c.m...@virgin.net> said

>Apparently, in `Goodbye Iowa` he also uttered `wankers`, but that particular
>line didn`t make it past the Sky One censors.

He's used "wanker" before - in 'Surprise'.

>>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was
>>disappointed.

>At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives
>several thousand miles away from Manchester.

Definition of a Manchester United supporter: "Somebody born and bred
*anywhere* other than Manchester"...

Keith

tommyk

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In article <0rguisooe246k32gh...@4ax.com>,
s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com wrote:
>As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
>a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
>As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
>english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
>Giles.
>
>In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
>to this".
>
>I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
>"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
>(Look at a certain title for a Sex Pistols Album)
>
>How many more will they try to slip in??
>
>SimonM

>
>"we'd better make a fort..."
>"I'll get some pillows"

Yeah, but it's not over here.

You can also say "nuts", and everyone knows you aren't talking
about pistachioes, but no one would censor it.


--
"Actually, in my killfile, you tend to
know a lot of the people."

Chandy19

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>At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives several
>thousand
>miles away from Manchester.

Its like what Jonathan Ross said about Rory Mcgrath hiding from Man U fans, in
the centre of Manchester.


Macaulay Connor: It can't be anything like love, can it?
Tracey Lord: No, no, it can't be.
Macaulay Connor: Would it be inconvenient?
Tracey Lord: Terribly.

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------


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On 27 May 2000, Sarah Trombley wrote:

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>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.

???????????????????????????
Care to clue in a Canadian who has no idea what is wrong with
calling a football team Manchester United?

Just Thought I Should Mention It


Ken Ream

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<s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com> wrote in message
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> As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
> a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
> As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
> english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
> Giles.
>
> In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
> to this".
>
> I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
> "bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
> (Look at a certain title for a Sex Pistols Album)
>
> How many more will they try to slip in??
>
> SimonM
>

Haven't they used the term "wanker". That words been catching on
in the U.S. over the last decade or so, but I always thought that
was a British vulgarity for a masturbator that was virtually unknown
stateside until recently.

Chandy19

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>>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
>
> ???????????????????????????
> Care to clue in a Canadian who has no idea what is wrong with
>calling a football team Manchester United?

Almost everyone calls them Man U. Its just the way its done.

simon

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In article <hwNX4.190$si6....@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, ColMoss
<c.m...@virgin.net> writes

>
>Sarah Trombley <trom...@is08.fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
>news:8gnh8q$jo0$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
>> >As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
>> >a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
>> >As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
>> >english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
>> >Giles.
>> >
>> >In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
>> >to this".
>>>
>Apparently, in `Goodbye Iowa` he also uttered `wankers`, but that particular
>line didn`t make it past the Sky One censors.
>>
>>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
>>
>At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives several
>thousand
>miles away from Manchester.
>
LOL! Nice one. Of course being born in Manchester is a good sign that
you don't support Man U. If you're from Cornwall, Wales, Ireland, London
or have parents that weren't football fans then chances are you're one
of them
--
simon

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ColMoss <c.m...@virgin.net> wrote in message
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>
> Sarah Trombley <trom...@is08.fas.harvard.edu> wrote in message
> news:8gnh8q$jo0$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
> > In article <0rguisooe246k32gh...@4ax.com>,
> > <s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com> wrote:
> > >As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
> > >a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
> > >As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
> > >english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
> > >Giles.
> > >
> > >In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
> > >to this".
> >>
> Apparently, in `Goodbye Iowa` he also uttered `wankers`, but that
particular
> line didn`t make it past the Sky One censors.
> >
> >But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
> >
> At least he fits the profile for a Man U fan, being that he lives several
> thousand
> miles away from Manchester.
>
>
>
>

I would just like to say that not all Man U fans live thousand miles away,
as i'm from manchester.

And if i can remember from when Angelus was trying to get the earth sucked
into hell, Spike was trying to stop him, as he liked living (well not
actually living as he is dead) at earth, and one of his reasons was Man U.

Correct me if i'm wrong


s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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On Sat, 27 May 2000 22:01:36 +0100, "guest5" <gue...@tinyonline.co.uk>
wrote:

You are not wrong its just a typical Liverpool - Manchester United
thing, you know?
:O)

Eric F.

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Matt wrote:

> that all depends, which part of the male anatomy are you talking about......If there'a a pair of them then > yes, you're right.

Yes, thank you.

The part of the male anatomy I was thinking of does have "a pair". :)

Later,

Eric F., Buffy Fan
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Buffy: Yes. Lucky for you, people may be in danger! ("Wild At Heart")

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In article <3930669A...@my-deja.com>, yasm...@my-deja.com wrote:

>> While I`m here, has anyone actually met an Englisman whose
>> first name is Wesley?
>> No?
>> I Thought not.
>
>Ahem. Yes, but he goes by Wes as Wesley is also his Dad's name and
>Junior doesn't quite fit his personality.

I have as well.

--
John Kenneth Fisher,
"I wouldn't mind being in gay porn" -- out of context quote, John K. FIsher

ColMoss

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yasm...@my-deja.com

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Ahem. Yes, but he goes by Wes as Wesley is also his Dad's name and


Junior doesn't quite fit his personality.

Jennifer

simon

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Really? Hmm. I never thought of Wes being short for Wesley. So wes
craven is also a Wesley. It's definitely not a common name though
--
simon

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Well, he was introduced as Wes. Ee could have called him Weasely or
Leslie, but those didn't fit either ;-) Come to think of it, I think we
may have called him those things but usually close to last shout.

Isn't there a Wesley on Star Trek:TNG? The kid?

Jennifer

Willow_R

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> As an Aussie who follows Premier League soccer and support Liverpool I'm
> going to have to add a:
>
> ditto

Bloody hell. An aussie who follows pommy soccer? Traitors everywhere.......

jk! ;)

P.S. Footy rules, Carn' the Crows! >)

Willow_R

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> Isn't there a Wesley on Star Trek:TNG? The kid?

yup. Well *was* considering the series is over ;)

yasm...@my-deja.com

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Willow_R wrote:
>
> > Isn't there a Wesley on Star Trek:TNG? The kid?
>
> yup. Well *was* considering the series is over ;)

Well, okay, I am into repeats and videos (since it is on so bleedin'
late here).

And having finally seen _Galaxy Quest_ .... 18 years of conventions!

Jennifer

Willow_R

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> that all depends, which part of the male anatomy are you talking
about......
> If there'a a pair of them then yes, you're right.

Unless your that guy on Cold Feet, cant remember his name - Rachel's
boyfriend......


Willow_R

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> Yeah, but it's not over here.
>
> You can also say "nuts", and everyone knows you aren't talking
> about pistachioes, but no one would censor it.

And you know that a swear word is pretty damn mild when it's used in Star
Trek (thank you Miles O'Brien ;) )


Keith

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>While I`m here, has anyone actually met an Englisman whose
>first name is Wesley?
>No?
>I Thought not.

Yep. Went to school with one. He used "Wes" of course, and thought it
was a crappy name, but not *that* uncommon.

Keith

Matt

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Willow_R <Wil...@Sunnydale.com> wrote in message
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>
> P.S. Footy rules, Carn' the Crows! >)

I didn't say I only follow the soccer. And the crows had quite a big win
here in Adelaide last night you'll be happy to know. Don't remember the
score though cause i was watching at the Stag.
....of course I'd say you already know they one but I just thought I'd let
you know anyway.
--
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Matt

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Ken Ream <kr...@zbzoom.net> wrote in message
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>
> Haven't they used the term "wanker". That words been catching on
> in the U.S. over the last decade or so, but I always thought that
> was a British vulgarity for a masturbator that was virtually unknown
> stateside until recently.
>

Dunno about the US but its a very common word over here in Australia.

Kate Bolin

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In article <D0037ZAA...@tooon.demon.co.uk>, Keith
<ke...@tooon.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> some bird and/or geezer called s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com said


> >I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
> >"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
>

> A *very* minor one these days - it's almost fashionable to drop it into
> polite conversation!
>

> >How many more will they try to slip in??
>

> I've got a great interview with Joss where he's asked "Do you think that
> your time in Britain helped in any way to get the Brit characters right
> like Giles and Wesley because some American TV shows tend to over Brit
> the Brits." 'It's a danger' notes Joss. 'You do want the contrast
> between Giles and Buffy but at the same time I do hope he's been a
> little more human than just pure stuffy sometimes. I think it's helped
> somewhat. Of course the great thing is there are some dirty words that
> the American audience don't know!'

And to add to that, Jane Espenson has gone on record saying that she gets
her British slang from old "The Professionals" fanfiction 'zines ('70s
brit cop show).

So not only are they using obscure slang, they're using retro slang ;)

Kate
who will *not* mention the fact that all "Pros" 'zines are slash zines...ooops

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guest5

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It's a unwriten rule, the Liverel - Man U thing.

simon

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In article <01bfc875$2ea29900$d5f537cb@authoriu>, Willow_R
<Wil...@Sunnydale.com> writes

>
>> As an Aussie who follows Premier League soccer and support Liverpool I'm
>> going to have to add a:
>>
>> ditto
>
>Bloody hell. An aussie who follows pommy soccer?

AFAIK it's quite common. I even saw an ARSEnal shirt in the opening
episode of that crappy australian soap that got canned after a few
months. I think it was called "breakers" or something like that. One of
the characters in Neighbours has a relation (I think) that plays for
West ham. Football supporting is a strange think. Apparently there are
500 members of the Norwegian Barnet supporters association. Seeing as
Barnet are one of the smallest teams in the country it's quite
surprising.

--
simon

simon

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In article <3930d680$0$26...@news01.syd.optusnet.com.au>, Matt
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I happened to catch this mid-morning show and the presenters mentioned
they had gone to the US and their host made a banner for them in the
airport that said "Welcome to Miami, you wankers!". They had no idea
what a wanker was.

--
simon

Sandra Levy

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I probably shouldn't get pendantic, but Wesley is a not uncommon last
name, amoung the most well known figures to bear it were the brothers
John and Charles Wesley, 18th century clergymen, poets, hymn writers
evangelists and starters of the Methodist faith.

In English naming customs it is not a far step from last name, to middle
name to first name. So while not common, it will appear from time to
time.

Sandra

simon

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In article <393116AB...@midway.uchicago.edu>, Sandra Levy
<sl...@midway.uchicago.edu> writes

>I probably shouldn't get pendantic,

Well I never hurts!

> but Wesley is a not uncommon last
>name, amoung the most well known figures to bear it were the brothers
>John and Charles Wesley, 18th century clergymen, poets, hymn writers
>evangelists and starters of the Methodist faith.

That's true. Not to mention the novelist "Mary Wesley". In fact I know
several people with "Wesley" as a surname. But I can't say I've met or
heard of anyone with it as a first name.


>
>In English naming customs it is not a far step from last name, to middle
>name to first name. So while not common, it will appear from time to
>time.
>

True, it seems more american than british.
--
simon

Keith

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some bird and/or geezer called Kate Bolin <dym...@ametro.net> said

>> I've got a great interview with Joss where he's asked "Do you think that
>> your time in Britain helped in any way to get the Brit characters right
>> like Giles and Wesley because some American TV shows tend to over Brit
>> the Brits." 'It's a danger' notes Joss. 'You do want the contrast
>> between Giles and Buffy but at the same time I do hope he's been a
>> little more human than just pure stuffy sometimes. I think it's helped
>> somewhat. Of course the great thing is there are some dirty words that
>> the American audience don't know!'
>
>And to add to that, Jane Espenson has gone on record saying that she gets
>her British slang from old "The Professionals" fanfiction 'zines ('70s
>brit cop show).

*Slash* fiction at that!!!

Keith

s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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On Sun, 28 May 2000 04:06:50 -0500, dym...@ametro.net (Kate Bolin)
wrote:

>> some bird and/or geezer called s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com
definitely a "geezer" :O)


said
>> >I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
>> >"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
>>
>> A *very* minor one these days - it's almost fashionable to drop it into
>> polite conversation!
>>
>> >How many more will they try to slip in??
>>

>> I've got a great interview with Joss where he's asked "Do you think that
>> your time in Britain helped in any way to get the Brit characters right
>> like Giles and Wesley because some American TV shows tend to over Brit
>> the Brits." 'It's a danger' notes Joss. 'You do want the contrast
>> between Giles and Buffy but at the same time I do hope he's been a
>> little more human than just pure stuffy sometimes. I think it's helped
>> somewhat. Of course the great thing is there are some dirty words that
>> the American audience don't know!'

Now that makes a lot of sense - well done, Joss. :O)


>
>And to add to that, Jane Espenson has gone on record saying that she gets
>her British slang from old "The Professionals" fanfiction 'zines ('70s
>brit cop show).
>

>So not only are they using obscure slang, they're using retro slang ;)
>
>Kate
>who will *not* mention the fact that all "Pros" 'zines are slash zines...ooops

"we'd better make a fort..."

s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com

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On Sun, 28 May 2000 12:46:34 +0100, simon <si...@wezland.demon.co.uk>
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Jeez, "Neighbours" is still running?? :O)

SimonM

J-rod

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Chandy19 <chan...@aol.com> wrote in message:

> >>But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was
disappointed.
> >
> > ???????????????????????????
> > Care to clue in a Canadian who has no idea what is wrong with
> >calling a football team Manchester United?
>
> Almost everyone calls them Man U. Its just the way its done.

You mean Merchandise United, surely?

--

A Liverpool fan.

Kåre Hansen

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Please don't swear
"Sarah Trombley" <trom...@is08.fas.harvard.edu> skrev i melding

news:8gnh8q$jo0$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu...
> In article <0rguisooe246k32gh...@4ax.com>,
> <s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com> wrote:
> >As a Brit in California I am delighted when I hear certain words that
> >a large majority of A mericans do not know are swear words.
> >As an example, most of them come from 'Spike' (who does a *wonderful*
> >english accent, even though he is from the U.S.) and occasionally from
> >Giles.
> >
> >In the penultimate episode to this season, 'Spike' says, "ah bollocks
> >to this".
>
> But he called the football team "Manchester United." I was disappointed.
>
>
> --Sarah T.
>

simon

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In article <qeg2jsg804obubb9p...@4ax.com>,
s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com writes
Well jogging at a relaxed pace is more like it. There's only two reasons
to watch and neither of those include plot or acting! It hasn't been the
same since Natalie Imbruglia left.
--
simon

Eric F.

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Christine Keess wrote:

> Christine - a Chelsea fan (who, now that the Buffy and Angel regular seasons are done, is looking
> forward to the start of Euro 2000!)

What's a "Euro 2000"?

Later,

Eric F., Buffy Fan
----

"So, I know why I'm sitting in a dank, sunless little room. But why are
you?" - Xander ("Wild At Heart")

jeanette

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It's quite possible that the writers did not realize the severity of
the swear word.

I was in Quebec one summer, and inadvertently swore to my teacher when
I was describing a person I had met. For my own future reference, I
now know that the French swear using religious language... like
Tabernacle is a french swear word. Hmmmm....

In Chinese, saying something innocuous like "old lady" can be taken as
a swear word equivalent to f**k. Since I didn't know this,... I got in
a fair bit of trouble for using the term.

I'm still not sure what a "bollock" is, but I'll take your word for it
that it is a swear word. And... I thought it had something to do with
rugby.

Jeanette

Christine Keess

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J-rod (j-...@cableinet.co.uk) wrote:
> You mean Merchandise United, surely?

> A Liverpool fan.


I like that Merchandise United - I get tired of seeing all the scarves
around here from the old suits and ties in the civil service who drink at my
fave pub.

Matt

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Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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> Christine - a Chelsea fan

Congrats on the FA Cup!

Keith

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some bird and/or geezer called jeanette <diana...@hotmail.com> said

>It's quite possible that the writers did not realize the severity of
>the swear word.

I'm pretty sure, given Joss's comment, that he knew *exactly* the
severity of them... Or lack of it.

Keith

Christine Keess

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Eric F. (er...@aracnet.com) wrote:
> Christine Keess wrote:

> > Christine - a Chelsea fan (who, now that the Buffy and Angel regular seasons are done, is looking


> > forward to the start of Euro 2000!)

> What's a "Euro 2000"?

Euro 2000 is a tournament of European national soccer teams. The Euro
tournament is held every four years, and this year the games are being
jointly hosted by Belgium and the Netherlands. Soccer (or Football)
affienados will be glued to their tv sets. We don't have to wait to long
for more soccer this summer, because after Euro 2000, we have only a while
to wait for the Olympic games from Australia, and more soccer! And of
course for the real keeners, qualifying has already begun for the World
Cup in 2002 (and unfortunately for my national team, Canada, we got stuck
with our eternal nemesis Mexico in the first round of qualifying). I just
know that I am not going to get much of my thesis written early on this
summer!

Christine

Christine Keess

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Matt (mwen...@dingoblue.net.au) wrote:

> Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
> news:8gstie$b98$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...

> > Christine - a Chelsea fan

> Congrats on the FA Cup!


> --
> *Sent by Matt - mwen...@dingoblue.net.au


Thanks Matt - I missed the first half of the game - but I did not miss too
much, and thanks to the rouster of cosmopolitan players, we did it again!

Christine

simon

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In article <8gtcu0$of7$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, Christine Keess
<cke...@chat.carleton.ca> writes

>Eric F. (er...@aracnet.com) wrote:
>> Christine Keess wrote:
>
>> > Christine - a Chelsea fan (who, now that the Buffy and Angel regular seasons
>are done, is looking
>> > forward to the start of Euro 2000!)
>
>> What's a "Euro 2000"?
>
> Soccer (or Football)
>affienados will be glued to their tv sets.

Summer footie RULES! Cool summer evenings sitting in front of the tv
watching high class footie with players who are giving it 110% and it's
on every night. Everyone get caught up in it.

> We don't have to wait to long
>for more soccer this summer, because after Euro 2000, we have only a while
>to wait for the Olympic games from Australia, and more soccer!

Just with crappier teams and no one really cares about the olympics.
Except that time I accidentally watched and saw chris boardman thrash
that other bloke using that cool Lotus bike. He was riding it BTW not
using it as a weapon.

> And of
>course for the real keeners, qualifying has already begun for the World
>Cup in 2002 (and unfortunately for my national team, Canada, we got stuck
>with our eternal nemesis Mexico in the first round of qualifying).

Don't you just hate that! We've got Germany in our E2000 group and
Romania too.

It's nice to hear from a fan who's both female and canadian.

So who's better Canada or USA?
--
simon

simon

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In article <3935bbcd...@news.rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com>, jeanette
<diana...@hotmail.com> writes

>It's quite possible that the writers did not realize the severity of
>the swear word.
>
>I'm still not sure what a "bollock" is, but I'll take your word for it
>that it is a swear word. And... I thought it had something to do with
>rugby.
>
Well they both have something to do with balls but that's as far as it
goes.
--
simon

Matt

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Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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> Matt (mwen...@dingoblue.net.au) wrote:
>
> > Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
> > news:8gstie$b98$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
> > > Christine - a Chelsea fan
>
> > Congrats on the FA Cup!
> > --
> > *Sent by Matt - mwen...@dingoblue.net.au
>
>
> Thanks Matt - I missed the first half of the game - but I did not miss too
> much, and thanks to the rouster of cosmopolitan players, we did it again!
>
> Christine

Oh, its too bad you missed the first half it was pretty good. Some friends
and I watched it at the Stag, a pub in the city, and the atmosphere
wasreally great, especially since me and my friends were all cheering for
Chelsea while some other patrons chose to root for Aston.....fools!

You know, it's weird, but if some guy i didn't know came up to me in a pub
and started hugging me I'd be freaking out wondering what the guy was on,
but if you're watching soccer and you're team scores you'll hug anyone!

The only problem with watching the soccer at a pub though is that you don't
get the commentary, that's why I watched the replay the next day! :)

Eric F.

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Christine Keess wrote:

> Euro 2000 is a tournament of European national soccer teams.

[snippage]

Thanks for the info.

I like soccer. :)

Later,

Eric F., Buffy Fan
----

"I hate it when they drown me." - Buffy ("Bad Girls")

Christine Keess

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Matt (mwen...@dingoblue.net.au) wrote:

> Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
> news:8gtdse$pg4$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
> > Matt (mwen...@dingoblue.net.au) wrote:
> >
> > > Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:8gstie$b98$4...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
> > > > Christine - a Chelsea fan
> >
> > > Congrats on the FA Cup!
> > > --
> > > *Sent by Matt - mwen...@dingoblue.net.au
> >
> >
> > Thanks Matt - I missed the first half of the game - but I did not miss too
> > much, and thanks to the rouster of cosmopolitan players, we did it again!
> >
> > Christine

> Oh, its too bad you missed the first half it was pretty good. Some friends
> and I watched it at the Stag, a pub in the city, and the atmosphere
> wasreally great, especially since me and my friends were all cheering for
> Chelsea while some other patrons chose to root for Aston.....fools!


The satallite feed was not coming through very well for the first 40
minutes of the match, c'est la vie. The sports channels here were more
interested in the UEFA Cup and Champions League anyway.


> You know, it's weird, but if some guy i didn't know came up to me in a pub
> and started hugging me I'd be freaking out wondering what the guy was on,
> but if you're watching soccer and you're team scores you'll hug anyone!


I know what you mean - it is a very compatriot sport, both on the pitch
and in the stands!

The coolest match I ever saw for this was a match in Colombia between
Athletico Junior and Althletico National. Something like 60,000 people
jumping to there feet and cheering when Valderrama entered the pitch.

Hugs are very good!!

Any men who want to step up and hug me during the match, the line is forming
to my left now...being female in a room full of predominantly male viewers
has its advantages!.....but be warned, for live matches I attend, I bring
props (a la Rocky Horror) you know, a noose for the ref, a cup of coffee
(empty cup, but symbolic) to throw at him when it is obvious he
needs to be woken up to the realities of the match, a FIFA rule book etc...


> The only problem with watching the soccer at a pub though is that you don't
> get the commentary, that's why I watched the replay the next day! :)
> --
> *Sent by Matt - mwen...@dingoblue.net.au


Matt, you need to find a pub that caters to the soccer going public. We
have a pub here that opens up specially for soccer and rugby games during
the early afternoon when matches are on. A number of the members of our
former local professional team hang out to watch the matches there. The
pub becomes a hush during the matches, and the commentary is fed via the
P.A. systems in the pub, so that you never miss a thing, even when you
visit the bathroom! (which has caused a few minor accidents for those of
us who picked the wrong time to go for a pee, think we are missing the
action, and rush back to our seats, while trying to make ourselves
presentable, often colliding with other patrons, slipping etc, resulting
in the pub stalking a supply of bandage and bandaids).


So I have a question to the football/soccer fans out there, what team
might Giles have supported? Any hypothesis - remember to configure the
pre- and post- Ripper factor.

Cheers,

Christine

Christine Keess

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simon (si...@wezland.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> It's nice to hear from a fan who's both female and canadian.

> So who's better Canada or USA?
> --
> simon


The USA puts millions of dollars into their sports teams, and the national
soccer team now benefits from this program, ever since the US was chosen
to host the World Cup in 1994. They have a regular season of professional
soccer, both an outdoor league, and an indoor league, which is a definite
bonus for the national squad.

Taken as individual talent, we are technically a brilliant squad. Many of
the national team members play for European teams. West Ham United's
keeper is our national team keeper, Craig Forrest. The problem with this,
is that they don't get much time to play together as a team, and often, as
in the case of Craig Forrest during this last season, they are bound by
club contracts and unable to get away for qualifying matches etc. --
remember, they need to fly from Europe back to Canada, and have to
acclimatize themselves to smog and altitude in places like Mexico City,
the intense heat of South America and the Caribbean etc. This could put
them away from their club side for 10 days, which is unacceptable to most
managers. We used to have a professional league in Canada, and when we
had that, the national team performed much better - ie we qualified for
the World Cup in 1986.

The Canadian under 21 squad has some promising players - they did well at
the Gold Cup this year, and if they can be paired up with experienced
players, the national team future is looking brighter.

So, for me, the good will, talent, and effort of the Canadian squad outshines
the American (extension of the national flag) squad.


Christine

simon

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In article <8gu94d$1m7$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, Christine Keess
<cke...@chat.carleton.ca> writes
>

>So I have a question to the football/soccer fans out there, what team
>might Giles have supported? Any hypothesis - remember to configure the
>pre- and post- Ripper factor.

Interesting question. I think giles might support my team (spurs) now
but back then he might have supported west ham or chelsea.
--
simon

Christine Keess

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Ay, yes, I could see Ripper hanging out with the headhunters on the
terraces of Stamford Bridge, or watching the Hammers. My best mate wants
to add QPR to this list. But please just not boring boring Arsenal!

Christine

Richard Colley

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Yes I ahve even met an American called Wesley...

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Matt

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Christine Keess <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in message
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-snip-
> Hugs are very good!!

Indeed they are!

> Any men who want to step up and hug me during the match, the line is
forming
> to my left now...being female in a room full of predominantly male viewers
> has its advantages!

I'm in that line :)

>.....but be warned, for live matches I attend, I bring
> props (a la Rocky Horror) you know, a noose for the ref, a cup of coffee
> (empty cup, but symbolic) to throw at him when it is obvious he
> needs to be woken up to the realities of the match, a FIFA rule book
etc...

Now that's whats missing over here. I tend to just get dressed up in the
club top and pants. We've got a little group who bring drums to the games
and get a bit of atmosphere going but here in Adelaide you're lucky to get
6,000 to a home game! however once you're in the finals it's impossible to
get a seat, which is good because the atmosphere is so much better, but bad
coz you get all these people who never go during the season and take us
die-hard regulars seats!

>
> Matt, you need to find a pub that caters to the soccer going public. We
> have a pub here that opens up specially for soccer and rugby games during
> the early afternoon when matches are on. A number of the members of our
> former local professional team hang out to watch the matches there. The
> pub becomes a hush during the matches, and the commentary is fed via the
> P.A. systems in the pub, so that you never miss a thing, even when you
> visit the bathroom! (which has caused a few minor accidents for those of
> us who picked the wrong time to go for a pee, think we are missing the
> action, and rush back to our seats, while trying to make ourselves
> presentable, often colliding with other patrons, slipping etc, resulting
> in the pub stalking a supply of bandage and bandaids).
>

Now that's a pub! The unfortunate thing is that living in Adelaide there's
not too many pubs that offer the soccer or sport exclusively. Most pubs try
to cater to the people who want to watch sport but more importantly to the
people who want to dance and stuff. Even 'Players Bar' that broadcasts all
the sporting events still has a DJ going on in the background so people can
dance. Plus the fact I often go out with my friends, some of which are like
me but others, mainly the girls, want to go out and dance, so we have to
find the middle ground. Still, I got a llitle time to find somewhere better
by the time Euro 2000 is on!

Chandy19

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>Interesting question. I think giles might support my team (spurs) now
>but back then he might have supported west ham or chelsea.
>--
>simon

Then he's obviously, as you are, a man of good taste.


Macaulay Connor: It can't be anything like love, can it?
Tracey Lord: No, no, it can't be.
Macaulay Connor: Would it be inconvenient?
Tracey Lord: Terribly.

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On Sat, 27 May 2000 14:08:16 +0100, Keith <ke...@tooon.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>some bird and/or geezer called s.m.a.r....@ifreedom.com said


>>I must say that with the way British TV is most of the time the word
>>"bollocks" is considered a swear word, albeit a minor one.
>
>A *very* minor one these days - it's almost fashionable to drop it into
>polite conversation!
>
>>How many more will they try to slip in??
>
>I've got a great interview with Joss where he's asked "Do you think that
>your time in Britain helped in any way to get the Brit characters right
>like Giles and Wesley because some American TV shows tend to over Brit
>the Brits." 'It's a danger' notes Joss. 'You do want the contrast
>between Giles and Buffy but at the same time I do hope he's been a
>little more human than just pure stuffy sometimes. I think it's helped
>somewhat. Of course the great thing is there are some dirty words that
>the American audience don't know!'

Haven't we had a bugger or two from Giles? :)
Or is it just my imagination.
I've always been rather partial to arse myself, but then I'm given to
swearing like a trooper, comes from having a mother who always got us
into trouble for swearing :)

--
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You can wrap it up in ribbons, you can slip it in your sock. But don't take
it out in public or they will stick you in the dock and you won't come back
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Marysia Kolodziej <mar...@wyattworld.spannercom> wrote in message
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> Haven't we had a bugger or two from Giles? :)
> Or is it just my imagination.

I think a few "bloody"s as well.

Micky DuPree

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simon <si...@wezland.demon.co.uk> writes:

: In article <8gu94d$1m7$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, Christine Keess
: <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> writes

:: So I have a question to the football/soccer fans out there, what
:: team might Giles have supported?

: Interesting question. I think giles might support my team (spurs) now


: but back then he might have supported west ham or chelsea.

Somehow I see all the Watchers as being cricket fans (gawd, a game more
boring than baseball ... ).

There was a funny bit in "Some Assembly Required" in which Giles
compared American football unfavorably to rugby.

-Micky


Matt

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Micky DuPree <mdu...@tiac.net.snip.to.reply> wrote in message
news:FvH29...@world.std.com...

> Somehow I see all the Watchers as being cricket fans (gawd, a game more
> boring than baseball ... ).
>
> There was a funny bit in "Some Assembly Required" in which Giles
> compared American football unfavorably to rugby.

Xander: Looks like you're batting zero.......but in cricket.
-Graduation Day 2-

simon

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In article <FvH29...@world.std.com>, Micky DuPree <mdu...@tiac.net.s
nip.to.reply> writes

>simon <si...@wezland.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
>: In article <8gu94d$1m7$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>, Christine Keess
>: <cke...@chat.carleton.ca> writes
>
>:: So I have a question to the football/soccer fans out there, what
>:: team might Giles have supported?
>
>: Interesting question. I think giles might support my team (spurs) now
>: but back then he might have supported west ham or chelsea.
>
>Somehow I see all the Watchers as being cricket fans (gawd, a game more
>boring than baseball ... ).

To watch then I'd agree but playing it is quite fun. Sometimes. I think
the watchers (if they were like giles) would be cricket/rugby union fans
for sure.
>

--
simon

Andy Williams

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Yes I know someone called Wesley.

Andy.

Blaise

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On Sun, 28 May 2000, ColMoss wrote:

> While I`m here, has anyone actually met an Englisman whose
> first name is Wesley?
> No?
> I Thought not.
>

On a wesley note did anyone spot wesley on randall and hopkirk in the uk.

Blaise

simon

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In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.1000603104249.32320A-100000@leofric>, Blaise
<mma...@coventry.ac.uk> writes
Was that the New randall and hopkirk? I forgot about that, I watched two
eps, realised it was lame and it slipped my mind
--
simon

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