Kendra
chatnoir
Do I need spoler space? Just in case.
Kendra. When we first met Kendra, she was a humorless, vocation driven
girl with bad fashion sense and an even worse accent. I think she was
loosening up at bit at the end, but she was still accent challenged.
Let's hope that if she returns, she's had an dialect coach in the
interim. And better wardrobe.
chatnoir
MEGANxyz
I know this is going to sound like a really stupid question, but can someone
please explain who Kendra is and tell me as much about her as possible? I
haven't seen many episodes of Buffy, and I've been reading the transcripts in
order as often as possible, but I don't have much time, so I've been unable to
find out anything about her. Thanks for your help!
_______________________________________________________________
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JeffS
MEGANxyz wrote in message <19980316022...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>I know this is going to sound like a really stupid question, but can
someone
>please explain who Kendra is and tell me as much about her as possible? I
>haven't seen many episodes of Buffy, and I've been reading the transcripts
in
>order as often as possible, but I don't have much time, so I've been unable
to
>find out anything about her. Thanks for your help!
>
When Buffy died for about 60 seconds in an episode last
season, the "there can only be 1 slayer" thing went into
effect. Kendra became the slayer but Buffy was revived
and now there are two slayers. The two met and it was the
tremendous battle between the two slayers and Spike and
his army which left him rolling around in a wheelchair.
I think this summarizes what happened pretty much,
though I may have left out important details.....
Gabriel
Maureen Goldman wrote in message...
>"JeffS" wrote:
>
>> When Buffy died for about 60 seconds in an episode last
>> season, the "there can only be 1 slayer" thing went into
>> effect. Kendra became the slayer but Buffy was revived
>> and now there are two slayers.
>
>I have real problems with that explanation, although I haven't seen
>any other. As I recall, the only person who could have passed on the
>information of her "death" [Giles] knew very well that Buffy's death
>was, um, short-lived.
But JeffS is right. There is a growing misconception that for the next
Slayer to be called the watcher brotherhood needs to be notified, they
don't. The watchers seek out those who are potential slayers (usually
getting them by the time their ten at the latest - Buffy was reached
very late, she was fifteen and already the active Slayer) to begin their
training. When the active Slayer dies, the next (presumably either the
oldest or most able) is chosen as an immediate replacement. Theirs no
time for decision making or formal notification, its just *boom!* batter
up! Remember, Giles was as surprised as anyone that Kendra had been
activated even though he had never told any of the watchers that Buffy
had died. Then he realized (in WML-2) that it doesn't take more than a
few moments for the next Slayer to be activated. It ain't a perfect
system, but it works.
~Gabriel
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a deep sleep and live happily ever after."
Buffy: "No. When you kiss me I want to die"
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Shiva
Maureen Goldman wrote in message <3510104a...@news.sunshine.net>...
>"JeffS" <DEATH2SP...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> When Buffy died for about 60 seconds in an episode last
>> season, the "there can only be 1 slayer" thing went into
>> effect. Kendra became the slayer but Buffy was revived
>> and now there are two slayers.
>
>I have real problems with that explanation, although I haven't seen
>any other. As I recall, the only person who could have passed on the
>information of her "death" [Giles] knew very well that Buffy's death
>was, um, short-lived.
>
That's the real explanation, take it or leave it. For proof, see WML, part
2.
Why would he need to pass on the knowledge of her death? It's a
metaphysical thing. The Watchers don't pick the next Slayer, some THING
else does. Something beyond their ability to control. That's how you now
have 2 Slayers for the price of one.
Lord Shiva
Paul Squires
As an aside - why shouldn't there be more than 1 slayer? Surely there must
be Vampires and other bad dudes somewhere else in the world - meaning that
other slayers are required and since they (presumably) have some amount of
free will they might at some point meet up...
Just a thought.
--
Paul Squires
Reply to pa...@m-style.demon.co.uk
Shiva
>Okay, I'll bite. What's WML2?
What's My Line, part 2. The episode where they explain Kendra's appearance.
Rob Burgess
Maureen Goldman wrote:
<snip>
> This is concrete information about a particular slayer, not a matter
> of picking one. I would have thought Giles would need to contact the
> other Watchers to pass on the sad news of Buffy's death. It seemed to
> me that if they would automatically sense a slayer's death, they
> should also sense her return to life.
It would seem to me that the whole scenario is based on the death of
a slayer. There probably aren't that many occurrences of a slayer coming
back to life so they haven't developed a sixth sense for it. They
_need_ to know when a slayer dies as that is one of the hinge points of
their whole existence. It's the death of the slayer that prompts the
ascension of the next in line. I would suggest that it has nothing to do
with a watcher contacting other watchers because, while it is easy enough
to do in the modern telecommunication age, it would have taken months or
even years to accomplish in the not so distant past. How long would it
have taken to make a trip from, say London, to say, Paris, Munich, Boston,
Los Angeles, Rio, Beijing and Melbourne in the 1850's? 1750's? 1650's
Now, while some of those locations didn't exist in the 1650's the method
of transport was also slower so you can change them for other point in
Europe.
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> > >"JeffS" <DEATH2SP...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >> When Buffy died for about 60 seconds in an episode last
> > >> season, the "there can only be 1 slayer" thing went into
> > >> effect. Kendra became the slayer but Buffy was revived
> > >> and now there are two slayers.
> > > Maureen Goldman
> > >I have real problems with that explanation, although I haven't seen
> > >any other. As I recall, the only person who could have passed on the
> > >information of her "death" [Giles] knew very well that Buffy's death
> > >was, um, short-lived.
> >"Shiva" <lord...@geocitiesspam.com> wrote:
[snip reference to WML2 for the moment]
> Why would he need to pass on the knowledge of her death? It's a
> metaphysical thing. The Watchers don't pick the next Slayer, some THING
> else does. Something beyond their ability to control. That's how you now
> have 2 Slayers for the price of one.
inksli...@sunshine.net (Maureen Goldman) wrote:
> This is concrete information about a particular slayer, not a matter
> of picking one. I would have thought Giles would need to contact the
> other Watchers to pass on the sad news of Buffy's death. It seemed to
> me that if they would automatically sense a slayer's death, they
> should also sense her return to life.
>
> Not much choice in a TV series except to accept any explanation given,
> but one does appreciate these things making sense.
The part you haven't picked up on yet is that the Watchers have nothing to
do with the existence or selection of the Slayer. The Slayer was 'created'
and successors are chosen, by some, undefined but probably divine, Force
for Good, to act as its agent in its war against the demons that made
vampires. The Watchers came into existence afterwards as a support group
for the Slayer, locating and training girls that have the potential to
become the Slayer, and providing support and continued training for the
girl who does become the Slayer. They don't choose, or even know, who the
next Slayer will be. The whole situation with Buffy is that the Watchers
didn't locate her until after she had already become the Slayer.
Giles had no reason to contact other Watchers that Buffy had died, because
from his point of view, she hadn't. It is distinctly possible that he
didn't even know that she had been clinically dead, but even if he did, he
would not necessarily realize the repercussions (Kendra). This is
apparantly the first time a Slayer has been killed with someone near enough
and with sufficient knowledge to perform CPR (and the Slayer be in a
condition where CPR could help)
Also, many of us have speculated that it wasn't just Xander's CPR that
brought Buffy back in Prophecy Girl. Xander had actually stopped (or at
least paused) the resuscitation attempt, and he and Angel were staring at
each other in a 'what do we do next' manner over her body, when, suddenly,
her eyes flew open and she started to spit water (the Master had dropped
her unconscious body face down into a pool of water and left her to drown).
Many of us have speculated that the above-mentioned Force for Good
intervened directly (although this creates its own probelms).
> Okay, I'll bite. What's WML2?
What's My Line, Part 2
Kendra was introduced in What's My Line, Part 1. In the last scene, as
she's trying to behead Buffy, who she thinks is in league with the
vampires, she announces that she is "Kendra, the Vampire Slayer" (insert
incredible accent). In Part 2, Buffy gets her to talk to Giles, and she
explains her background. Much fun ensues, including Willow staking a
vampire and Cordy stomping a demon to death.
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guy,' everyone on the Internet figures out the entire season based on the
fact that I said it." - Joss Whedon (BtVS)
Don Sample
In article <3510104a...@news.sunshine.net>,
inksli...@sunshine.net (Maureen Goldman) wrote:
>"JeffS" <DEATH2SP...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> When Buffy died for about 60 seconds in an episode last
>> season, the "there can only be 1 slayer" thing went into
>> effect. Kendra became the slayer but Buffy was revived
>> and now there are two slayers.
>
>I have real problems with that explanation, although I haven't seen
>any other. As I recall, the only person who could have passed on the
>information of her "death" [Giles] knew very well that Buffy's death
>was, um, short-lived.
The activation of one slayer on the death of their predecessor is
automagic. It doesn't require anyone passing the news of one slayer's
death on to the next slayer. Kendra has known that she was destined to
become the slayer for most of her life now, and when Buffy died, she would
have known pretty quickly, because she got all of the enhanced slayer
powers at that time.
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In article <3510030...@news.sunshine.net>, inksli...@sunshine.net
(Maureen Goldman) wrote:
>
>This is concrete information about a particular slayer, not a matter
>of picking one. I would have thought Giles would need to contact the
>other Watchers to pass on the sad news of Buffy's death. It seemed to
>me that if they would automatically sense a slayer's death, they
>should also sense her return to life.
>
>Not much choice in a TV series except to accept any explanation given,
>but one does appreciate these things making sense.
>
You are putting the cart before the horse. There was no need for Giles to
notify anyone about Buffy's death, because by the time he found out about
it, she was alive again.
And it isn't the Watchers who sense that the Slayer has died, it is the
next Slayer who does it. One day she is going through her exercises, and
is probably being pounded by her Watcher, and the next she is sweeping the
floor with him. At this point she and her Watcher know that the previous
Slayer is dead. They probably observe a minute of silence in her honour,
and then the new Slayer goes out and starts hunting.
The system wasn't set up to handle things like CPR, and once Slayer #2 is
activated, she stays active. She doesn't get shut down again when Slayer
#1 is revived.
K. B. Lamke
Buffy's death was foretold in the Prophecy suronding 'Prophecy Girl' .
That info alone could have triggered the new Slayer
K.B.Lamke
Don Sample
In article <6epso7$7...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
kbl...@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>Buffy's death was foretold in the Prophecy suronding 'Prophecy Girl' .
>That info alone could have triggered the new Slayer
>
> K.B.Lamke
But noone had access to that prophecy. The book containing it had been
'misplaced'. Until Angel got it for Giles noone knew what was in it, and
Giles didn't get to translating the relevant passages until 2 days before
her death. The prophecy was probably pretty vague too. It certainly
didn't say anything about her being revived by CPR. Without the context
of knowing what was going on in Sunnydale at the time noone would know
which slayer, or what time the prophecy was refering to.
Cary Lasher
Don Sample wrote in message ...
>And it isn't the Watchers who sense that the Slayer has died, it is the
>next Slayer who does it. One day she is going through her exercises, and
>is probably being pounded by her Watcher, and the next she is sweeping the
Wouldn't being "pounded by her Watcher" constitute some sort of breach in
the Slayer code? Unless, of course, you don't mean what I think you mean by
"pound". Hmmm.....
Cary M. Lasher
Texas A&M University, Dept. of Mathematics
Maureen Goldman
> Maureen Goldman wrote:
> <snip>
> > other Watchers to pass on the sad news of Buffy's death. It seemed to
> > me that if they would automatically sense a slayer's death, they
> > should also sense her return to life.
>Rob Burgess <dw...@chimps.com> wrote:
> It would seem to me that the whole scenario is based on the death of
> a slayer. There probably aren't that many occurrences of a slayer coming
> back to life so they haven't developed a sixth sense for it. They
> _need_ to know when a slayer dies as that is one of the hinge points of
> their whole existence. It's the death of the slayer that prompts the
> ascension of the next in line. I would suggest that it has nothing to do
> with a watcher contacting other watchers because, while it is easy enough
> to do in the modern telecommunication age, it would have taken months or
> even years to accomplish in the not so distant past. How long would it
> have taken to make a trip from, say London, to say, Paris, Munich, Boston,
> Los Angeles, Rio, Beijing and Melbourne in the 1850's? 1750's? 1650's
> Now, while some of those locations didn't exist in the 1650's the method
> of transport was also slower so you can change them for other point in
> Europe.
If that were the case, then Giles ought to know that he'd better tell
the others quickly that Buffy had come back to life.
Don Sample
In article <351562c...@news.sunshine.net>, inksl...@FOGsunshine.net
(Maureen Goldman) wrote:
Why? What would telling the others have accomplished? You you send out
dailly messages to all your friends/family/aquaintences telling them that
you didn't die today? Giles had no reason to suspect that the activation
of the next slayer would be that quick.
Maureen Goldman
> >>Rob Burgess <dw...@chimps.com> wrote:
> >
> >> It would seem to me that the whole scenario is based on the death of
> >> a slayer. There probably aren't that many occurrences of a slayer coming
> >> back to life so they haven't developed a sixth sense for it. They
> >> _need_ to know when a slayer dies as that is one of the hinge points of
> >> their whole existence. It's the death of the slayer that prompts the
> >> ascension of the next in line. I would suggest that it has nothing to do
> >> with a watcher contacting other watchers because, while it is easy enough
> >> to do in the modern telecommunication age, it would have taken months or
> >> even years to accomplish in the not so distant past. How long would it
> >> have taken to make a trip from, say London, to say, Paris, Munich, Boston,
> >> Los Angeles, Rio, Beijing and Melbourne in the 1850's? 1750's? 1650's
> >> Now, while some of those locations didn't exist in the 1650's the method
> >> of transport was also slower so you can change them for other point in
> >> Europe.
> > Maureen Goldman
> >If that were the case, then Giles ought to know that he'd better tell
> >the others quickly that Buffy had come back to life.
> Why? What would telling the others have accomplished? You you send out
> dailly messages to all your friends/family/aquaintences telling them that
> you didn't die today? Giles had no reason to suspect that the activation
> of the next slayer would be that quick.
The death of the slayer creates a crisis situation in that the Forces
of Evil are left to run amok. I'd expect the next slayer to be put
into place immediately.
Anything else would be like hiring a stand-in for a play but not
notifying the stand-in that the star has died. This big gaping space
on the stage, and the silences, make things damned awkward.
chatnoir
What is Kendra's accent? Where is she from? Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados,
Trinidad, where? Anyone have any ideas? It sounds like a bad mix of
several island nations. On second viewing, I thought her acting wasn't
too shabby, but the accent is still bothersome. But I'm on good
painkillers - I had my wisdom teeth extracted today - so maybe it's the
drugs and her acting is still as bad as her accent.
chatnoir
LilyRei
LOL Well, here's my 2 cents on that. Actually, I like Kendra's character and
think Bianca Lawson did a really good job portraying her. She definitely had
presence! But the ACCENT thing practically ruins her performance. I don't
know what that was all about (or what it was supposed to be), but somebody
should have said, "no, no, NO!!!!"
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On 25 Mar 1998 03:53:24 GMT, lil...@aol.com (LilyRei) wrote:
>>>What is Kendra's accent? Where is she from? Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados,
>Trinidad, where? Anyone have any ideas? It sounds like a bad mix of several
>island nations. On second viewing, I thought her acting wasn't too shabby, but
>the accent is still bothersome. But I'm on good painkillers - I had my wisdom
>teeth extracted today - so maybe it's the drugs and her acting is still as bad
>as her accent.<<
>
>LOL Well, here's my 2 cents on that. Actually, I like Kendra's character and
>think Bianca Lawson did a really good job portraying her. She definitely had
>presence! But the ACCENT thing practically ruins her performance. I don't
>know what that was all about (or what it was supposed to be), but somebody
>should have said, "no, no, NO!!!!"
>
Bianca was so into doing this accent that she had a dialect coach
write out her dialogue phoenetically for her to memorize. They pretty
much let her go on the set, but then tried to get her to tone down the
accent in post. Her response: "But that's how it's *spelled*."
MM
Sprklz
<<Bianca was so into doing this accent that she had a dialect coach write out
her dialogue phoenetically for her to memorize. They pretty much let her go on
the set, but then tried to get her to tone down the accent in post. Her
response: "But that's how it's *spelled*.">>
Awww, poor gal! How do you know that? I may stand alone here, but I really
liked that Kendra character! The actress is very pretty, too.
Rob Burgess
MorbidMuch wrote:
>
> On 25 Mar 1998 03:53:24 GMT, lil...@aol.com (LilyRei) wrote:
>
> >>>What is Kendra's accent? Where is she from? Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados,
> >Trinidad, where? Anyone have any ideas? It sounds like a bad mix of several
> >island nations. On second viewing, I thought her acting wasn't too shabby, but
> >the accent is still bothersome. But I'm on good painkillers - I had my wisdom
> >teeth extracted today - so maybe it's the drugs and her acting is still as bad
> >as her accent.<<
> >
> >LOL Well, here's my 2 cents on that. Actually, I like Kendra's character and
> >think Bianca Lawson did a really good job portraying her. She definitely had
> >presence! But the ACCENT thing practically ruins her performance. I don't
> >know what that was all about (or what it was supposed to be), but somebody
> >should have said, "no, no, NO!!!!"
> >
>
> write out her dialogue phoenetically for her to memorize. They pretty
> much let her go on the set, but then tried to get her to tone down the
> accent in post. Her response: "But that's how it's *spelled*."
this. Get a dialect coach who writes differently or teach Bianca how to
read.
Maybe spending some time with people who actually speak the accent
wouldn't hurt either.
Will got go so bye
LilyRei
<<Bianca was so into doing this accent that she had a dialect coach write out
her dialogue phoenetically for her to memorize. They pretty much let her go on
the set, but then tried to get her to tone down the accent in post. Her
response: "But that's how it's *spelled*.">>
Are you serious or am I being a victim of wit? =)
>>Awww, poor gal! How do you know that? I may stand alone here, but I really
liked that Kendra character! The actress is very pretty, too.<
Nah, you're not alone. I liked Kendra, too. =)
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I saw her again last night, and...I gotta admit, she's got enough accent
on her for 4 or 5 voices at least! Where from? Ah, I think I know...as
a hard-core, by-the-book slayer, she's developed a voice pattern so
broad, so ambiguous that pursuing vampires are completely stumped as to
her country of origin - they seek her in Louisiana, French Guiana,
Ireland, Swaziland...that damned elusive Kendra.
VMacek
Sarah Weinman
Vincent G. Macek wrote:
Gee, and here I thought Kendra was an alien from an alternate universe.
Frankly, that explanation makes a hell of a lot more sense to me.....
Sarah
Kathy Monroe
In article <35188ad2...@news.pacbell.net> Morbi...@nospam.aol.com (MorbidMuch) writes:
>On 25 Mar 1998 03:53:24 GMT, lil...@aol.com (LilyRei) wrote:
>>>>What is Kendra's accent? Where is she from? Jamaica, Haiti, Barbados,
>>Trinidad, where? Anyone have any ideas? It sounds like a bad mix of several
>>presence! But the ACCENT thing practically ruins her performance. I don't
>>know what that was all about (or what it was supposed to be), but somebody
>>should have said, "no, no, NO!!!!"
I would say Jamaica. I loved how she said "Kennnnnnn-DRA!"
--
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Crystal Frango 1998
Mcg223
TRue her accents runs the gammut from Irish Brogue to jamaican Patois, but I
still like her and hope she returns to help buffy kick ass!!
LilyRei
>>TRue her accents runs the gammut from Irish Brogue to jamaican Patois, but I
still like her and hope she returns to help buffy kick ass!!<<
Ditto for me. I think we can all agree that the accent thing was a miss, but
Kendra herself was A-OKAY with me. I'd like to see her again, but I hope they
don't call her back to dust Angel. I like him, too.
Kathy Monroe
In article <199804020533...@ladder01.news.aol.com> lil...@aol.com (LilyRei) writes:
>>>TRue her accents runs the gammut from Irish Brogue to jamaican Patois, but I
>still like her and hope she returns to help buffy kick ass!!<<
>Ditto for me. I think we can all agree that the accent thing was a miss, but
>Kendra herself was A-OKAY with me. I'd like to see her again, but I hope they
>don't call her back to dust Angel. I like him, too.
I think Kendra has the ability to mentally and emotionally separate
herself from the people around her, while Buffy has incorporated her
friends into the slayer stuff to an extent. Buffy *is* mentally tough -
make no mistake - but has put her friends in danger as a result. Gee,
poor Cordy is always in trouble!!
Ciaron21
Mcg223 wrote:
>TRue her accents runs the gammut from Irish Brogue to jamaican Patois, but I
>still like her and hope she returns to help buffy kick ass!!
Lots of people have been saying that Kendra sounds Irish at times, but before
this week's ep, I was watching the news from Ireland (on Channel 25 in New
York) and Kendra's accent doesn't even sound remotely like theirs. Not even a
teeny tiny bit.
JD
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Vincent G. Macek
I really thought I could figure her origin by hearing her watcher's name
- Sam Zobuto (sp?) but drew a blank on two counts:
1) I'm assuming the name is Kenyan, but I'm throwing darts blindfolded
here.
2) I'm assuming the watcher is from the same place as the slayer; by
that train of thought, one could assume Buffy was English.
It would help if Kendra had a last name - "Can you say 'Stuck in the
80s?'"
VMacek
Bruce Parrello
On 2 Apr 1998 16:04:02 GMT, ciar...@aol.com (Ciaron21) wrote:
>
>Lots of people have been saying that Kendra sounds Irish at times, but before
>this week's ep, I was watching the news from Ireland (on Channel 25 in New
>York) and Kendra's accent doesn't even sound remotely like theirs. Not even a
>teeny tiny bit.
>
I think it's more Scottish than Irish. During the Ebonics
controversy, there was a lot of discussion on the local radio about
the roots of languages in the Western Hemisphere, and one of the
biggest contributors was some scottish dialect from the Seventeenth
Century.
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Vincent G. Macek wrote:
> It would help if Kendra had a last name - "Can you say 'Stuck in the
> 80s?'"
It sounds like she has a case of Power Rangers Syndrome -- where the
producers do just about anything to avoid giving a character a last
name.
Patricia A. Swan
>On 2 Apr 1998 16:04:02 GMT, ciar...@aol.com (Ciaron21) wrote:
>
>>
>>Lots of people have been saying that Kendra sounds Irish at times, but before
>>this week's ep, I was watching the news from Ireland (on Channel 25 in New
>>York) and Kendra's accent doesn't even sound remotely like theirs. Not even a
>>teeny tiny bit.
>>
>
>I think it's more Scottish than Irish. During the Ebonics
>controversy, there was a lot of discussion on the local radio about
>the roots of languages in the Western Hemisphere, and one of the
>biggest contributors was some scottish dialect from the Seventeenth
>Century.
They emptied the entire Highlands of Scotland in the 1700s (which
would technically make it 18th Century). Some of my family came over
then, and I've been talking about it with another friend who is an
expatriate Glaswegian (sp) living in London.
The Highland ecology is extremely fragile and even then it had reached
the limit of how many people it could support, so the landlords
stripped the highlands of people and sent them all to new homes in the
colonies rather than let them starve to death on land that could no
longer support them. This is referred to as the Removal, and is an
extremely emotional topic among the families that left then. There is
deep resentment for having been forceably emigrated and stripped off
their ancestral lands. The common belief if that they were
transported so that the landlords could graze sheep where the crofters
had lived. Sheep were put in where the crofts used to be, but
according to my friend, by then all the land *could* support was
sheep.
Scotland *still* can't support a great many folks on the land, the
economy is not terribly strong (oil and tourists seem to be the only
strong points, and depending on tourism can be awfully iffy [I live in
a highly tourist-dependent area of the States so I know what I'm
taking about there]), and, according to my friend, that's why there
are *new* expatriate Scots even in the current generation.
Pat
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Mcg223
> Gee,
>poor Cordy is always in trouble!!
Isn't that her job, though. Her name really should be BAit-Girl, HSe can have
a costume with she wants,, with a little worm on the front, she can even have a
cape.
Bruce Parrello
We were discussing Kendra's accent, and I had mentioned that many
Western-hemisphere languages had Scottish roots...
Then On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:28:04 GMT, zaf...@newsguy.com (Patricia
A. Swan) wrote:
>
>They emptied the entire Highlands of Scotland in the 1700s (which
>would technically make it 18th Century). Some of my family came over
>then, and I've been talking about it with another friend who is an
>expatriate Glaswegian (sp) living in London.
>
>The Highland ecology is extremely fragile and even then it had reached
>the limit of how many people it could support, so the landlords
>stripped the highlands of people and sent them all to new homes in the
>colonies rather than let them starve to death on land that could no
>longer support them. This is referred to as the Removal, and is an
>extremely emotional topic among the families that left then. There is
>deep resentment for having been forceably emigrated and stripped off
>their ancestral lands. The common belief is that they were
>transported so that the landlords could graze sheep where the crofters
>had lived. Sheep were put in where the crofts used to be, but
>according to my friend, by then all the land *could* support was
>sheep.
>
That would certainly explain it. Those were brutal times. Adam Smith
had not yet caught on (and some would argue he STILL hasn't caught
on), and the prevailing economic theory was mercantilism, which linked
the health of a nation's economy to the size of the king's purse.
In any case, the point is that Kendra's accent is not as far-fetched
as it seems...
Rob Burgess
that's not being argued (at least not by me). However, Kendra's accent is
still bad - you can hear, almost on a word for word basis, a change in her
dialect.
A more North American example would be if she was from Boston (Mass.
English being a somewhat recent child of British English) and you could
hear her go from a Boston accent to a British accent - almost everyone
would notice that change and call it for the fake that it is. But because
Kendra has a Jamaican accent, most North Americans can't tell the
difference.
David Adrien Tanguay
Rob Burgess wrote:
> Okay, Jamaican English is a direct descendant of Scottish English,
> that's not being argued (at least not by me). However, Kendra's accent is
> still bad - you can hear, almost on a word for word basis, a change in her
> dialect.
Why do you think Kendra's accent is Jamaican? It wasn't specified where
she was from. She could be from some other island, one of the Guyanas,
or Africa. English might not even be her native language. Imagine the
accent of a little girl who was raised in Swahili, then taken to Jamaica
by her Watcher, where she learned English. The double (to us) layering
of accents would seem very weird.
Once we know where Kendra's actually from, and her history, then we
roast her for her atrocious accent.
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Rob Burgess
David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
>
> Rob Burgess wrote:
> > Okay, Jamaican English is a direct descendant of Scottish English,
> > that's not being argued (at least not by me). However, Kendra's accent is
> > still bad - you can hear, almost on a word for word basis, a change in her
> > dialect.
>
> Why do you think Kendra's accent is Jamaican?
after I sent the message.
> It wasn't specified where she was from.
No, you're right, it wasn't. What I did find interesting though is
that her watcher has an oriental name, and she was raised by him from
almost birth (with no friends or school) - yet she doesn't have an
oriental accent at all.
> She could be from some other island, one of the Guyanas,
> or Africa.
I've never heard an African with an accent like hers. Maybe English
Guyana (definitely NOT French Guyana), I don't know if I've heard anyone
from there.
> English might not even be her native language. Imagine the
> accent of a little girl who was raised in Swahili, then taken to Jamaica
> by her Watcher, where she learned English. The double (to us) layering
> of accents would seem very weird.
>
> Once we know where Kendra's actually from, and her history, then we
> roast her for her atrocious accent.
I don't know, this isn't like Star Trek, she's supposed to be from
Earth. If they throw in a character with a heavy accent, that accent
should be identifiable without knowing every place the character lived.
If you have to explain the accent then it doesn't work.
If the character had been obviously non-English speaking (like
Russian) then it wouldn't be so bad - we would expect there to be strange
things in their pronunciation or choice of words. And how many of us can
tell the difference between the accent of someone from the Ukraine versus
someone from Moscow versus someone from Novosibirsk? And if the three get
mixed, would any of us really know?
I think they made a mistake by picking an accent that is familiar to
many of us. I have known many people from the Caribbean area and
regardless of how easy or hard they were to understand, I never sat there
trying to figure out where they pieced their accent together from.
I will admit, I'm not an expert in accents, and she may be speaking
perfectly, but when she talks I hear something wrong.
Maybe Jeff Pruit can get the vocal coach online with us to clear some
of this up?
Big Dog
In article <3527a456....@enews.newsguy.com>, zaf...@newsguy.com (Patricia A. Swan) writes:
> On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:42:13 GMT, ga...@arc.cnchost.com (Bruce
> Parrello) wrote:
>
>>On 2 Apr 1998 16:04:02 GMT, ciar...@aol.com (Ciaron21) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Lots of people have been saying that Kendra sounds Irish at times, but before
>>>this week's ep, I was watching the news from Ireland (on Channel 25 in New
>>>York) and Kendra's accent doesn't even sound remotely like theirs. Not even a
>>>teeny tiny bit.
>>
>>I think it's more Scottish than Irish. During the Ebonics
>>controversy, there was a lot of discussion on the local radio about
>>the roots of languages in the Western Hemisphere, and one of the
>>biggest contributors was some scottish dialect from the Seventeenth
>>Century.
The history lesson was nice but anybody from near the NYC area should know that
her accent is definitely Caribbean based, I'm thinking Jamaica or Trinidad!
it should be clear that she's definitely not from the UK- especially with the
way she's dressed-- how would she warm up in those hills in a halter anyway!
Peace,
Big Dog
Don Sample
In article <352A3AE3...@chimps.com>, Rob Burgess <dw...@chimps.com> wrote:
>David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
>
>> It wasn't specified where she was from.
>
> No, you're right, it wasn't. What I did find interesting though is
>that her watcher has an oriental name, and she was raised by him from
>almost birth (with no friends or school) - yet she doesn't have an
>oriental accent at all.
>
Her watcher was 'Sam Zabuta' or something like that. The name sounded
African to me.
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Rob Burgess
Don Sample wrote:
>
> In article <352A3AE3...@chimps.com>, Rob Burgess <dw...@chimps.com> wrote:
>
> >David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
> >
> >> It wasn't specified where she was from.
> >
> > No, you're right, it wasn't. What I did find interesting though is
> >that her watcher has an oriental name, and she was raised by him from
> >almost birth (with no friends or school) - yet she doesn't have an
> >oriental accent at all.
> >
>
> Her watcher was 'Sam Zabuta' or something like that. The name sounded
> African to me.
discussion could go on forever...could be time to stock up on groceries
:-)
Dustin Xan Davis
I'm not a language expert either, but I'll tell you what bugs me about
Kendra's accent, no matter *where* her character is supposed to be from.
In every language that I've ever heard, words with special importance to a
sentence are emphasized. I'm sure you know what I mean.
Did John walk the dog?
No, *I* walked the dog.
Did you walk the cat?
No, I walked the *dog*.
Did you kill the dog?
No, I *walked* the dog.
The thing that stuck in my mind when I watched the Kendra episodes is that
the actress placed utmost importance on including her, ahem, Carribbean,
accent in her lines, while any "meaning dependant" (I'm just
making up a term here :)) emphasis, like in my examples, sounded... um..
bad. Bad bad. (ill-placed/exaggerated at times, ignored at others)
This was just my impression, of course. It felt to me that either:
1) she might conceivably be a good actress, but suffered badly stretching
to work with an accent she was uncomfortable with.
or
2) She had an accurate accent (or, it's her natural accent), but she can't
act worth a hoot. :)
In my humble opinion,
DXD
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[much was snipped from following exchange]
On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Rob Burgess wrote:
> David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
> >
> > Rob Burgess wrote:
> > > Okay, Jamaican English is a direct descendant of Scottish English,
> > > that's not being argued (at least not by me). However, Kendra's accent is
> > > still bad - you can hear, almost on a word for word basis, a change in her
> > > dialect.
> > It wasn't specified where she was from.
> No, you're right, it wasn't... [snip]
> > Once we know where Kendra's actually from, and her history, then we
> > roast her for her atrocious accent.
>
> I don't know, this isn't like Star Trek, she's supposed to be from
> Earth. If they throw in a character with a heavy accent, that accent
> should be identifiable without knowing every place the character lived.
> If you have to explain the accent then it doesn't work.
[snip]
David Goldfarb
Rob Burgess <dw...@chimps.com> wrote:
) I thought I heard Zabuto, which would be more Japanese. This
)discussion could go on forever...could be time to stock up on groceries
The transcript at slayerfanfic.com uses several different
spellings and is little help. I agree it sounded like "Zabuto".
On the other hand, "Zabuto" doesn't sound very Japanese to me.
Just as an aside, the transcript confirmed an odd inconsistency:
when Drusilla and Spike have Angel captive, they say that the ritual
requires the full moon. But then later Giles says it's the night of
the new moon. Of course, later on the moon seems to be rising just
about at sunset, which would indicate a full moon after all.
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gold...@csua.berkeley.edu | AQUARIUS: Abandon hope for future plans." -- TMBG
Deirdre A. Clyde
As it happens, Kendra's accent is Barbados. African slaves were taken to be "gentled" on the sugar
plantations there before being shipped to the southern US for sale. They usually learned English
there from the foremen, who were generally lower-class Brits, Irish, and Scots. The dialect that
evolved from that particular human-rights nightmare has some of the sounds of the various African
languages from the tribes the slaves came from, from the language of the indigenous people of Barbados
(who were often enslaved also and intermarried with the Africans), and of course the English that was
being spoken to them.
The reason I know all this is that I was a teacher's aide to the Voice Production & Dialects teacher
in my college Drama department, and one of the shows we did was The Crucible. The dialect my teacher
gave Tituba was exactly like Kendra's.