Ripper Spinoff

[David]

http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Joss-Whedon-Comments-Potential-Giles-Centered-Buffy-Spinoff-41549.html

Joss Whedon Comments On The Potential For A Giles-Centered Buffy Spinoff
Author: Kelly West

Joss Whedon’s been busy delivering some of his creative talent to feature
films these days, with the upcoming Whedon-directed Avengers film set to hit
theaters next month. When our own Eric Eisenberg spoke to Whedon earlier
this month, the Buffy the Vampire Slayer creator told him he “absolutely
wants” to go back to television.

Of course, there’s the matter of the time commitment that comes with such a
venture, and his already busy schedule. But if he were to return to TV,
would a Ripper series be a possibility? (Via Blastr) AV Club spoke to Whedon
recently, and the subject of a Buffy spinoff series that focused on her
once-watcher Rupert Giles (Anthony Stewart Head) came up, and apparently the
idea for the spinoff hasn’t faded from Whedon’s mind.

"Oh yeah, totally. [Laughs.] No, the thing about Ripper—the essence of it—is
that the BBC came to me at one point like, “It doesn’t have to be Ripper. It
can just be [Anthony Stewart Head], and there’s magic, and he’s Tony, cuz he’s
awesome.” And that’s the thing: For some reason, he keeps getting sexier
every year. That’s not happening to me! I’m like, “What are you doing?” And
that story was always about a mature guy who’s lived, and about the choices
he’s made. So you could make that now, or you could make it 10 years from
now. And I’ve tortured Tony more than any other living human with, “We’re
definitely gonna do this!” Because I thought we were. He’s working so much,
though, I’d feel too guilty. But that’s the thing with Ripper: It doesn’t go
away in my head because he’s still right for it, and he could still bring
it."

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[Andre]

The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end of Season 8 (graphic novels).

Andre

[Duggy]

On Apr 20, 6:56 am, "David" <davider...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Joss Whedon Comments On The Potential For A Giles-Centered Buffy Spinoff
> Author: Kelly West

> When our own Eric Eisenberg spoke to Whedon earlier
> this month,

The first?

> Of course, there’s the matter of the time

Yes.

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[Paul Hyett]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 at 16:50:13, Andre <dak...@alcor.concordia.ca>
wrote in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer :

>
>The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end
>of Season 8 (graphic novels).
>

That's not a problem, as only the TV series are canon.
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

[Duggy]

On Apr 20, 4:57 pm, Paul Hyett <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 at 16:50:13, Andre <dak_...@alcor.concordia.ca>

> wrote in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer :
>
> >The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end
> >of Season 8 (graphic novels).
>
> That's not a problem, as only the TV series are canon.

Joss says the Season 8 & Season 9 comics are canon.

But he also says they won't count if he gets to make a Buffy film.

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[Morgoth's Curse]

You could fit the number of people who read the comics in a single
stadium.

You could fit the number of people who actually cared about the comic
in single room.

And you could fit the only person who ever truly believed the comics
are canon - Joss Whedon - in a single box.

News flash, Joss: Your pathetic attempt to continue BtVS via graphic
novels failed. Abysmally. In fact, it redefined the words "epic
fail." I strongly suggest that you put down the crack pipe or
whatever it is that you are smoking and cut your losses by admitting
it.

Morgoth's Curse

[Duggy]

On Apr 21, 10:13 pm, Morgoth's Curse

<morgothscurse2...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> You could fit the number of people who read the comics in a single
> stadium.

Numbers don't determine cannot, creators do.

> And you could fit the only person who ever truly believed the comics
> are canon - Joss Whedon - in a single box.

If you read my post he really doesn't.

> News flash, Joss:  Your pathetic attempt to continue BtVS via graphic
> novels failed.

I don't think he can hear you.

> In fact, it redefined the words "epic
> fail."

I don't think you know what "epic fail" means. Season 9 is Dark
Horse's biggest seller, ATM.

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[William George Ferguson]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 07:13:36 -0500, Morgoth's Curse
<morgoths...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 15:49:22 -0700 (PDT), Duggy
><p.allan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 20, 4:57 pm, Paul Hyett <p...@nojunkmailplease.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 at 16:50:13, Andre <dak_...@alcor.concordia.ca>
>>> wrote in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer :
>>>
>>> >The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end
>>> >of Season 8 (graphic novels).
>>>
>>> That's not a problem, as only the TV series are canon.
>>
>>Joss says the Season 8 & Season 9 comics are canon.
>>
>>But he also says they won't count if he gets to make a Buffy film.

Joss has also said that he always reserves the right to have a better idea.
He has never let continuity get in the way of telling (in his opinion) a
good story.

>You could fit the number of people who read the comics in a single
>stadium.

It would have to be a very large stadiutm. Most NFL football stadiums are
too small. All MLB baseball stadiums are too small. There are a couple of
college football stadiums which might work (season 8's readership was just
over 100K).

>You could fit the number of people who actually cared about the comic
>in single room.

It would need to be a largish room. If you believe that only one in a
thousand cares, that's still over a hundred people.

>And you could fit the only person who ever truly believed the comics
>are canon - Joss Whedon - in a single box.

There's a lot more than one person who believed that season 8 was canon,
and I'd agree with Duggy (the howwow, the howwow) that Whedon wasn't one of
them.

>News flash, Joss: Your pathetic attempt to continue BtVS via graphic
>novels failed. Abysmally. In fact, it redefined the words "epic
>fail." I strongly suggest that you put down the crack pipe or
>whatever it is that you are smoking and cut your losses by admitting
>it.

Define 'fail'. Economically the comics are a huge success for Whedon, and
for Dark Horse.

--
I have a theory, it could be bunnies

[Duggy]

On Apr 23, 5:34 am, William George Ferguson <wmgfr...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

> There's a lot more than one person who believed that season 8 was canon,
> and I'd agree with Duggy (the howwow, the howwow) that Whedon wasn't one of
> them.

Oh, I'm sorry. I'll change my opinion if you're more comfortable
disagreeing with me.

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[Morgoth's Curse]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:34:25 -0700, William George Ferguson
<wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:

>>>> >The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end
>>>> >of Season 8 (graphic novels).
>>>>
>>>> That's not a problem, as only the TV series are canon.
>>>
>>>Joss says the Season 8 & Season 9 comics are canon.
>>>
>>>But he also says they won't count if he gets to make a Buffy film.
>
>Joss has also said that he always reserves the right to have a better idea.
>He has never let continuity get in the way of telling (in his opinion) a
>good story.

That was my point. Joss has a history of lying to fans, so it is
wise to take everything he says with a grain or two of salt.

>>You could fit the number of people who read the comics in a single
>>stadium.
>
>It would have to be a very large stadiutm. Most NFL football stadiums are
>too small. All MLB baseball stadiums are too small. There are a couple of
>college football stadiums which might work (season 8's readership was just
>over 100K).

That is for the entire season, correct? According to
http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/buffytvs5/nielsenratings.html, "I Was
Made to Love You" was the lowest rated episode ever and yet more than
900,000 people still watched it. The average rating seems to be
between one and two million viewers although I have not run the
numbers. (Math was never my forte.)

>
>>You could fit the number of people who actually cared about the comic
>>in single room.
>
>It would need to be a largish room. If you believe that only one in a
>thousand cares, that's still over a hundred people.

A single banquet hall would probably suffice.

>
>>And you could fit the only person who ever truly believed the comics
>>are canon - Joss Whedon - in a single box.
>
>There's a lot more than one person who believed that season 8 was canon,
>and I'd agree with Duggy (the howwow, the howwow) that Whedon wasn't one of
>them.

If we must quibble, then let me clarify it by amending it as "one
person of any significance." I never understood why Whedon tried to
continue the series when he had a wealth of material from the
Buffyverse to work with. There have been thousands of Slayers in the
history of the Buffyverse--any one of whose story could have been
profitably explored in a graphic novel.

>>News flash, Joss: Your pathetic attempt to continue BtVS via graphic
>>novels failed. Abysmally. In fact, it redefined the words "epic
>>fail." I strongly suggest that you put down the crack pipe or
>>whatever it is that you are smoking and cut your losses by admitting
>>it.
>
>Define 'fail'. Economically the comics are a huge success for Whedon, and
>for Dark Horse.

I was referring to Whedon's pathetic attempt to continue the
series via a different medium (in this case a graphic novel.) The
fact is that for most people BtVS ended when the TV show ended. Only
a small fraction of the hardcore fans bought or read the comics. The
same story cannot be told in two different media. There are hundreds
of Star Trek and Star Wars novels, many of which were written with the
tacit blessing of the franchises, and yet that is not what the typical
fan has in mind when either is mentioned. Ask someone if they have
heard of "Star Wars" and they will think of the movies. Mention "Star
Trek" and people will think of either the television series or
possibly the movies. Utter the words "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and
people will think of the television series. That will not change
however much Whedon or others may wish otherwise.

Morgoth's Curse

[Duggy]

On May 9, 3:35 pm, Morgoth's Curse

<morgothscurse2...@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote:
> >It would have to be a very large stadiutm.  Most NFL football stadiums are
> >too small.  All MLB baseball stadiums are too small.  There are a couple of
> >college football stadiums which might work (season 8's readership was just
> >over 100K).

>         That is for the entire season, correct?

Per issue. TPB would add to that.

>  According tohttp://www.angelfire.com/tv2/buffytvs5/nielsenratings.html, "I Was

> Made to Love You" was the lowest rated episode ever and yet more than
> 900,000 people still watched it.  The average rating seems to be
> between one and two million viewers although I have not run the
> numbers.  (Math was never my forte.)

TV does better than comics. Not sure what your point is.

> >>And you could fit the only person who ever truly believed the comics
> >>are canon - Joss Whedon - in a single box.

> >There's a lot more than one person who believed that season 8 was canon,
> >and I'd agree with Duggy (the howwow, the howwow) that Whedon wasn't one of
> >them.

>         If we must quibble, then let me clarify it by amending it as "one
> person of any significance."  I never understood why Whedon tried to
> continue the series when he had a wealth of material from the
> Buffyverse to work with.  There have been thousands of Slayers in the
> history of the Buffyverse--any one of whose story could have been
> profitably explored in a graphic novel.

Can and have. But that doesn't drag in readers like a continuation.

> >Define 'fail'.  Economically the comics are a huge success for Whedon, and
> >for Dark Horse.

>         I was referring to Whedon's pathetic attempt to continue the
> series via a different medium (in this case a graphic novel.)

Which was a success in that medium's terms. It was never going to be
equal to the TV show in terms of success.

> The fact is that for most people BtVS ended when the TV show ended.

True. So?

> Only a small fraction of the hardcore fans bought or read the comics.

True. So?

> The same story cannot be told in two different media.

Happens all the time.

> Utter the words "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and
> people will think of the television series.  That will not change
> however much Whedon or others may wish otherwise.

Who says he wishes otherwise?

He wished for a successful comic.

He got one.

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[LGi...@gmail.com]

>>>>> >The problem with the Ripper series is that Angel killed him at the end
>>>>> >of Season 8 (graphic novels).

Death is not a problem, right Mr. Spock?