Darth Willow, Anyanka and D'Hoffryn
David Milligan
been pretty much running rough shod all over Vengeance Demon Anya, so Evil
Willow obviously is more powerful than Anya.
But what would have happened if she had killed Anya?
Would D'Hoffryn try again to recruit Willow as a VD?
Or would he seek vengeance against Willow for killing one of his
operatives?
Is D'Hoffryn more powerful than Evil Willow?
And just what powers does he have?
(Did anyone else know that Willow's middle name is Danielle? Or
did Wikipedia make a mistake?)
--
David E.
http://daviderl31.blogspot.com/
http://daviderl.com/AlysonHannigan.html
Dale Hicks
@yahoo.com says...
> (Did anyone else know that Willow's middle name is Danielle? Or
> did Wikipedia make a mistake?)
IMDB says:
Her middle name is given as "Danielle" in an early draft of the
script for the episode 'Bad Girls': "If my parents hadn't settled
on 'Danielle,' Danger would be my middle name." This line was not
included in the broadcast episode.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
Jillun
My take on it is that all of his Vengeance girls could have been more
powerful than him, but when they give themselves over to become one of
his, they lose their freedom of their power.
One Bit Shy
news:hup464$qmv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Been watching the last few eps of S6 on Logo, and Darth Willow has
> been pretty much running rough shod all over Vengeance Demon Anya, so Evil
> Willow obviously is more powerful than Anya.
> But what would have happened if she had killed Anya?
> Would D'Hoffryn try again to recruit Willow as a VD?
> Or would he seek vengeance against Willow for killing one of his
> operatives?
> Is D'Hoffryn more powerful than Evil Willow?
> And just what powers does he have?
> (Did anyone else know that Willow's middle name is Danielle? Or
> did Wikipedia make a mistake?)
D'Hoffryn's powers (and those of his vengeance demon harem) only work
through the wishes of others. Within the context of the wish they're all
immensely powerful, and there is much that they can do to manipulate wishes,
but they are still limited to expressed second hand desires, while Dark
Willow has no such restraints.
OBS
David Milligan
"One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry> wrote in message
news:EfSdneWbCbGNn4XR...@supernews.com...
Makes sense, although D'Hoffryn did have some powers - he brought
Willow to Arashmahaar, and later allowed her to see the demons attacking
Buffy and company. He was able to incinerate Halfrek. And somehow he imbued
women the Power of the Vengeance Wish. I was just wondering if he had more
power than Evil Willow.
On a related subject, I never understood why Anya couldn't make her
vengeance wish against Xander to Halfrek instead of trying to get some other
woman to make one.
One Bit Shy
He certainly had special powers. Probably most notable is his ability to
identify great vengeance potential and transform them into demons, which I
guess is what makes him head of this demon clan. But you'll note that he
doesn't inflict that on them unwanted. From what we saw, potential
vengeance demons have to want it to be granted the power. Anya wanted it.
Willow didn't.
In other respects his power might not be as great as it appears on the
surface. You'll note, for example, that he hired assassins to go after Anya
following Selfless. That would be odd if his powers were really so vast.
And my fanwanking of his refusal to retrieve Anya's power center necklace
back in Season 3 is that he didn't actually have the power to do it - though
he'd never admit that to Anya. I think the great clue that D'Hoffryn
himself works within the confines of wishes is the incineration of Halfrek.
Take a look at the dialogue leading up to it.
ANYA: I wanna take it back. I wanna undo what I did.
D'HOFFRYN: Hmm. You want to take it back. Must be twelve bodies in there.
Such a thing—not easily done. But not impossible. You're a big girl,
Anyanka. You understand how this works. The proverbial scales must balance.
In order to restore the lives of the victims, the fates require a sacrifice.
The life and soul of a vengeance demon.
ANYA: Do it. ... I understand the price. Do it.
D'HOFFRYN: You're sure? This is your wish?
ANYA: This is my wish. Undo what I did.
D'HOFFRYN: Very well.
"This is my wish." Halfrek's demise was invoked by a wish. Sure, D'Hoffryn
twisted the wish in a direction Anya didn't anticipate, but that's what
vengeance demons always do. Go for the pain. It's still triggered by a
wish.
> I was just wondering if he had more power than Evil Willow.
Considering that Anya once created an entire alternate history, I'd vote for
the vengeance power as the greater. But it's not like anything in the
series quantifies either. So pick your poison. I'd still say that the
Willow had the more useful power because she didn't have to operate within
the confines of the wish.
> On a related subject, I never understood why Anya couldn't make her
> vengeance wish against Xander to Halfrek instead of trying to get some
> other woman to make one.
Yeah, I've always thought that was a plot weakness. On the other hand, the
underlying story was that Anya couldn't stop loving Xander and didn't really
want him dead and/or tortured. So perhaps subconsciously Anya wasn't trying
as hard as she could have to solve the problem.
An alternate explanation could be that vengeance demons can only grant
wishes when the vengeance resonates with their own obsessions. Anya handled
the scorned women. Halfrek took care of kids with parent (or I guess
sister) problems. So Halfrek would be no use to Anya. That approach might
also serve to define the range of D'Hoffryn's own powers. He may have only
dealt with the making and undoing of vengeance demons.
OBS
Michael Ikeda
> "David Milligan" <david...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:hvbren$r25$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> On a related subject, I never understood why Anya
>> couldn't make her
>> vengeance wish against Xander to Halfrek instead of trying to
>> get some other woman to make one.
>
> Yeah, I've always thought that was a plot weakness. On the
> other hand, the underlying story was that Anya couldn't stop
> loving Xander and didn't really want him dead and/or tortured.
> So perhaps subconsciously Anya wasn't trying as hard as she
> could have to solve the problem.
>
Although ironically she missed a chance to fix the problem in another
way.
XANDER: I wish we could just go back to the way things were before.