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ANGEL
Season Two, Episode 5: "Dear Boy"
(or "Mankind. You make me want to vomit.")
Writer: David Greenwalt
Director: David Greenwalt
The credits were exciting to watch this week. Not only are Lindsey and
Kate in this one, but so's Drusilla, after years of wondering where
she's been. And written and directed by David G., so there's a
fair chance that it'll be a good one, or at least an important one...
Granted, Dru's appearance is only in flashback, and Landau doesn't
have that much to do. I'm wondering if her questionable gift for
prophecy has any connection to the Doyle/Cordy visions. I have to
question this major role of Darla's in Angel's past. It doesn't
actively contradict anything we've been told, but I'd always sort
of assumed that Angelus did his own thing, carving out his own
reputation. Now they're making it look like he was inseparable from
Darla, who nurtured his capacity for cruelty all this time and did a
lot of the planning.
Our heroes kill a demon in the early going that doesn't really do
much for the story, but it's another chance to fill in the causal
viewer on the arc so far. And to see how far gone Angel is, nodding
off into Darlaland in the middle of conversations and his Faith-like
approach to combat. There's some interesting cinematography at the
promenade, before setting up the flashback material and letting him
catch sight of the old sire. I'm glad to see that he finally starts
to talk about the dreams this week, since it'd have started to bother
me had he waited much longer. He's pretty creepy sniffing
Cordelia's hair.
I've mentioned that for some reason Carpenter has never appealed to
me the way the other attractive women in the Buffyverse do, probably
due in part to how long I spent disliking her character. But seeing
her show off so much skin led me to reconsider said perspective.
Cordelia is understandably pissed over dressing like that in the name
of good and profit, only to have Angel abruptly give up on the case.
Given all the talk about vampires thinking of themselves as superior to
humans, I think the point of this whole subplot, besides getting the
former lovers to meet, is to give us a look at humans at their most
pathetically human.
I'd like to call for an end to the Angel singing scenes. Like OBS
has said, deliberately bad performances are, well, bad. They hurt.
Especially since as far as I can tell, the whole visit to The Host's
bar didn't actually contribute anything at all to the episode. I may
have to start a policy that any episode with a bad karaoke joke is
automatically excluded from the chance at an Excellent. Possibly
thinking about this way too hard, but should we infer that given the
song choice, Angel was aware of pop-culture (and thus probably not
living on the street) until at least the '80s?
Highlight scene for me happens in Lindsey's office. Not much to say
except that I really liked it. Benz is at her most captivating here,
reveling in the sense of fun that made her role stand out so much in
the first place, without overdoing it, and then suddenly slipping in a
little confusion whenever something unfamiliar to her comes up.
Lindsey does his best to keep up; like she says, he's a fun villain
for a human.
Part of the reason I was thrown by a lot of the plotting is that I
hadn't realized that Darla had come back as a human too, rather than
a vampire. I don't know whether or not the viewer was supposed to
know this, but I think it shatters the obvious assumptions. That
helped keep me guessing during some of the early going, and doubting
Angel along with the skeptics even as he became more clearly right; the
others are quite correct, at least initially, to suspect that he might
be losing it, or letting the dreams shape what he sees. Plus, the idea
that Darla would hire an actor to play her husband while arranging the
hotel scene for Angel's benefit is sufficiently out-there.
Eventually she arranges a situation in which the wrong people will walk
in on him at the wrong time - classic strategy for her. Or at least
something we've seen her do before, in "Angel" The Episode.
Angel's quiet "you'll pay for this" worked very well for me.
There are a few overly contrived things that could've happened here
with regards to making him a wanted man. For instance, Kate could've
been one of the cops who walked in on him, or someone could've
stormed in during the chat with Darla at the end. Glad they didn't
go those routes.
Speaking of Kate, I like the new hair, but I prefer that my detectives
not dress so froufy. The character seems to have less life in her than
she did last year. Which would make sense, so that's an observation,
not a complaint. She still has enough integrity that facts can be an
inconvenience to her witch hunt. Nice moment in which Gunn so easily
comes up with a problem with Darla's story that everyone else missed.
I think that I'm not wild about the show playing up Gunn's
criminal record and criminal connections. Granted, L.A. isn't
exactly known as a legal haven for black men, granted he's fighting
for his life against the undead, and granted we've seen the ATS cast
steal things before, but I'd still rather not glorify the petty
lawbreaking so much.
Now, there's a great deal of speechmaking and serious-sounding
dialogue in DB. And it took me a little time to get my head around it.
We go pretty heavy on the melodrama, but for the most part it's good
melodrama, so, uh, there. The first and less important of the big
scenes involves Kate's rant about the supernatural element. It's
interesting to see her portray herself as standing up for the
innocents. ATS has generally divided the world into the villains and
the targets, but there's also another kind of victim, one who isn't
involved at all and gets caught in the crossfire. Since Kate and Angel
don't meet here, it'll be interesting to see what their next
confrontation looks like, and it should clarify what the police's
role in S2 will be.
What to say about the big extended climax of the show? I mentioned
that I liked it, and that the heavy-handed dialogue didn't bother me
much. I mean, consider Angel taking the opportunity to let out some of
his bad-old-days impulses, much to Darla's delight. And reiteration
of the concept that Angelus's incredible capacity for brutality came
from something of his human personality, not just the vamp-demon. And
the idea that she never made him truly happy the way Buffy did, in part
because real happiness requires a soul... which she has now; how's
she going to cope? I think it's all interesting stuff. Having a
soul doesn't ensure morality, of course - my hunch is that unlike
Faith, Darla is beyond redemption. We shall see. I like the quiet
fade from vamp-face to normal-face, and the memorable last image too,
with Angel grabbing her by the throat, and the counterattack with a
cross and a killer line: "no matter how good a boy you are, God
doesn't want you. But I still do."
This Is Really Stupid But I Laughed Anyway moment(s):
- Angel's quiet "I thought it was funny" (he uses that one a lot,
huh?) when the others ignore his joke
- "Right between the clowns and the big talking hot dog"
- Wesley's imitation of Cordelia
The ending is what it should be. Angel's angry side was coming out
more often as S1 progressed, and now we're in full-fledged war-paint
mode. No more mister nice gentlemanly vampire detective.
So...
One-sentence summary: Has the feel of a major episode; the show's on
a roll.
AOQ rating: Good
[Season Two so far:
1) "Judgment" - Weak
2) "Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been?" - Decent
3) "First Impressions" - Good
4) "Untouched" - Good
5) "Dear Boy" - Good]
> ANGEL
> Season Two, Episode 5: "Dear Boy"
> The credits were exciting to watch this week. Not only are Lindsey and
> Kate in this one, but so's Drusilla, after years of wondering where
> she's been. And written and directed by David G., so there's a
> fair chance that it'll be a good one, or at least an important one...
Well, the last time we saw him was writing Judgment...
This is considerably better, but the biggest criticism I do have for it is
some periodic lagging dialog. The first scene with Kate, when the detective
brought her the picture of the hotel, I thought was awful. All of the Kate
scenes, actually, I thought had weak dialog. The Gunn scenes too. The big
Darla/Angel scene has better wordplay, but boy does it go on and on and on,
and, as you say, is kind of heavy handed.
In the end though, that's not such a serious criticism. The episode mostly
works pretty well and seems to be really advancing the series story.
Which is kind of funny to me. This is the episode I mistakenly watched
first thinking it was the season opener. (The first two disks wer swapped
in my package.) Now that we're back to it - it still feels a lot like the
season opener to me. Here's the Darla follow through to last season's
surprise finale.
> Granted, Dru's appearance is only in flashback, and Landau doesn't
> have that much to do.
The Dru part was a bit disappointing. She was crazy - but not interesting
crazy. Weak lines I think.
On the other hand, I did like Angel picking her out from the three sisters,
and Dru looking back on him.
> I'm wondering if her questionable gift for
> prophecy has any connection to the Doyle/Cordy visions. I have to
> question this major role of Darla's in Angel's past. It doesn't
> actively contradict anything we've been told, but I'd always sort
> of assumed that Angelus did his own thing, carving out his own
> reputation. Now they're making it look like he was inseparable from
> Darla, who nurtured his capacity for cruelty all this time and did a
> lot of the planning.
Actually, I think part of the Dru story is Angelus getting inspired and
taking the evil to new heights. Far beyond what Darla imagined. We're not
just seeing Darla's influence. We're seeing what excites Darla about Angel.
So he is carving out his own reputaton - which probably still is more
broadly known and terrifying than is Darla's.
Oh, one more thing about this scene. I told you there was something to be
said for bodices and heaving bosoms. ;-)
> Our heroes kill a demon in the early going that doesn't really do
> much for the story, but it's another chance to fill in the causal
> viewer on the arc so far.
So is that what a big underground water tank really looks like? And why
would a tank that new be empty?
Anyway, I got a little kick out of Angel's "thing" about convents.
> And to see how far gone Angel is, nodding
> off into Darlaland in the middle of conversations and his Faith-like
> approach to combat. There's some interesting cinematography at the
> promenade, before setting up the flashback material and letting him
> catch sight of the old sire. I'm glad to see that he finally starts
> to talk about the dreams this week, since it'd have started to bother
> me had he waited much longer. He's pretty creepy sniffing
> Cordelia's hair.
One of the better moments in the episode. "Personal bubble!" After that,
Cordelia really deserves a little slack in wanting to be sure Angel hasn't
turned bad at the end.
> I think the point of this whole subplot, besides getting the
> former lovers to meet, is to give us a look at humans at their most
> pathetically human.
I haven't figured out a point myself. But I did like Angel's curt,
"Probably," in aswer to the client asking if he thought his wife was
cheating on him. And then just chucking the case with, "I don't like doing
this. It's crass. Your husband knows. Go home. Tell him the truth. Work
it out or - leave. I don't care. But this..." The thing is, he probably
did them both a favor the way he handled it.
> I'd like to call for an end to the Angel singing scenes. Like OBS
> has said, deliberately bad performances are, well, bad. They hurt.
> Especially since as far as I can tell, the whole visit to The Host's
> bar didn't actually contribute anything at all to the episode.
It didn't did it? It was a little better when I though this was the first
time there. But now that I know it's anything but, it's pretty awful. A
low point for the episode.
> Highlight scene for me happens in Lindsey's office. Not much to say
> except that I really liked it. Benz is at her most captivating here,
> reveling in the sense of fun that made her role stand out so much in
> the first place, without overdoing it, and then suddenly slipping in a
> little confusion whenever something unfamiliar to her comes up.
> Lindsey does his best to keep up; like she says, he's a fun villain
> for a human.
I'm torn here. I like Darla a lot. But Lindsey annoyed me again. He
doesn't seem fun to me. Just kind of monotonish.
Maybe he'd be more fun if they put toys into his fake hand. A cork screw
into his pinkie. A lighter into his thumb. A vampire stake in his middle
finger...
> Part of the reason I was thrown by a lot of the plotting is that I
> hadn't realized that Darla had come back as a human too, rather than
> a vampire. I don't know whether or not the viewer was supposed to
> know this, but I think it shatters the obvious assumptions. That
> helped keep me guessing during some of the early going, and doubting
> Angel along with the skeptics even as he became more clearly right; the
> others are quite correct, at least initially, to suspect that he might
> be losing it, or letting the dreams shape what he sees. Plus, the idea
> that Darla would hire an actor to play her husband while arranging the
> hotel scene for Angel's benefit is sufficiently out-there.
Well, since I saw this out of order, I can't say I was surprised she was
human. So lets jump to the hiring an actor.
The two scenes involving him (the hotel and the house) are two of my
favorites in the episode. Not because of the actor, but because of Darla's
performance. The acting here is superb. It's not just a performance within
a performance, but it's the pretense of a really good performance. In the
house it gets hard keeping track of what front she's wearing. All of them
feel real.
I also liked her just dropping the dinner plate on the kitchen floor.
> Speaking of Kate, I like the new hair, but I prefer that my detectives
> not dress so froufy.
God, I hate, hate, hate the hair. It annoyed me so much I didn't notice
what she wore.
> What to say about the big extended climax of the show? I mentioned
> that I liked it, and that the heavy-handed dialogue didn't bother me
> much. I mean, consider Angel taking the opportunity to let out some of
> his bad-old-days impulses, much to Darla's delight. And reiteration
> of the concept that Angelus's incredible capacity for brutality came
> from something of his human personality, not just the vamp-demon. And
> the idea that she never made him truly happy the way Buffy did, in part
> because real happiness requires a soul... which she has now; how's
> she going to cope? I think it's all interesting stuff. Having a
> soul doesn't ensure morality, of course - my hunch is that unlike
> Faith, Darla is beyond redemption. We shall see. I like the quiet
> fade from vamp-face to normal-face, and the memorable last image too,
> with Angel grabbing her by the throat, and the counterattack with a
> cross and a killer line: "no matter how good a boy you are, God
> doesn't want you. But I still do."
It just went on and on. But I can't imagine what to cut. It all was worth
it. (Actually, I think something must have been cut. The last part starts
with Angel seeming to be out of breath - let's forget he's not suppose to
have breath anyway. For no reason that I saw. So I suspect something was
cut.) Some big ideas were tossed out. Not the least the great line you
cite. And I have no idea what to expect on the soul front with Darla.
Beyond redemption seems a pretty reasonable guess. But I'll guess that
somehow it'll be more complicated than just that.
> The ending is what it should be. Angel's angry side was coming out
> more often as S1 progressed, and now we're in full-fledged war-paint
> mode. No more mister nice gentlemanly vampire detective.
Man, he was flat out irritated, wasn't he?
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Has the feel of a major episode; the show's on
> a roll.
>
> AOQ rating: Good
I'm OK with that.
OBS
>(reposted with the correct episode number)
>
>A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for future _Buffy_ and _Angel_
>episodes in these review threads.
>
>
>ANGEL
>Season Two, Episode 5: "Dear Boy"
>(or "Mankind. You make me want to vomit.")
>Writer: David Greenwalt
>Director: David Greenwalt
>
>Especially since as far as I can tell, the whole visit to The Host's
>bar didn't actually contribute anything at all to the episode.
It contributed a warning, not necessarily for today, but it was there:
"I tell you you're headed into trouble with a capital 'troub.' Let
her go, bro. That way lies badness....I set people on their paths,
okay? And this is way off your path, sweetie. Go home."
Whether the viewer needed such a warning is questionable - it's hard
to imagine anything good coming from those two getting together in any
way, shape or form - but Angel has been warned to stay away from
Darla.
Wes
> Our heroes kill a demon in the early going that doesn't really do
> much for the story,
I guess its mostly a mislead, except it does provide Angel with a place to
bring Darla later :)
> to talk about the dreams this week, since it'd have started to bother
> me had he waited much longer. He's pretty creepy sniffing
> Cordelia's hair.
Not to mention sniffing Wesley to see who he slept with.
> I've mentioned that for some reason Carpenter has never appealed to
> me the way the other attractive women in the Buffyverse do, probably
> due in part to how long I spent disliking her character. But seeing
> her show off so much skin led me to reconsider said perspective.
> Cordelia is understandably pissed over dressing like that in the name
> of good and profit, only to have Angel abruptly give up on the case.
> Given all the talk about vampires thinking of themselves as superior to
> humans, I think the point of this whole subplot, besides getting the
> former lovers to meet, is to give us a look at humans at their most
> pathetically human.
I wonder if Angel has a little more cash squirreled away than Cordelia is
aware of. It has always been the privilege of those with a little money
behind them to eschew some of the grubbier options for earning money that
those on a more hand to mouth existence have to take. Angel doesn't seem
worried about where is next blood pack is coming from.
> I'd like to call for an end to the Angel singing scenes. Like OBS
> has said, deliberately bad performances are, well, bad. They hurt.
> Especially since as far as I can tell, the whole visit to The Host's
> bar didn't actually contribute anything at all to the episode.
Apart from the dire warning of impending doom. And the dire singing. That is
maybe overdone by now. I guess they had to cater to fans who couldn't see
every episode.
>
> Highlight scene for me happens in Lindsey's office. Not much to say
> except that I really liked it. Benz is at her most captivating here,
> reveling in the sense of fun that made her role stand out so much in
> the first place, without overdoing it, and then suddenly slipping in a
> little confusion whenever something unfamiliar to her comes up.
> Lindsey does his best to keep up; like she says, he's a fun villain
> for a human.
>
> Part of the reason I was thrown by a lot of the plotting is that I
> hadn't realized that Darla had come back as a human too, rather than
> a vampire.
In hindsight, her vulnerability when we first see her is a clue to that. But
not a clue anyone could reasonably expect to pick up on at first viewing.
> I don't know whether or not the viewer was supposed to
> know this, but I think it shatters the obvious assumptions. That
> helped keep me guessing during some of the early going, and doubting
> Angel along with the skeptics even as he became more clearly right; the
> others are quite correct, at least initially, to suspect that he might
> be losing it, or letting the dreams shape what he sees.
Yes, that's why they didn't reveal it earlier. Initially, even though we
know the real Darla is back, the woman we see in the hotel might simply be a
double found (or created) by W&H precisely to play with Angel's mind.
> What to say about the big extended climax of the show? I mentioned
> that I liked it, and that the heavy-handed dialogue didn't bother me
> much. I mean, consider Angel taking the opportunity to let out some of
> his bad-old-days impulses, much to Darla's delight. And reiteration
> of the concept that Angelus's incredible capacity for brutality came
> from something of his human personality, not just the vamp-demon. And
> the idea that she never made him truly happy the way Buffy did, in part
> because real happiness requires a soul... which she has now; how's
> she going to cope? I think it's all interesting stuff. Having a
> soul doesn't ensure morality, of course - my hunch is that unlike
> Faith, Darla is beyond redemption. We shall see. I like the quiet
> fade from vamp-face to normal-face, and the memorable last image too,
> with Angel grabbing her by the throat, and the counterattack with a
> cross and a killer line: "no matter how good a boy you are, God
> doesn't want you. But I still do."
Whether or not it was a good move by W&H to bring Darla back remains to be
seen. But certainly it was a good idea by ME.
> This Is Really Stupid But I Laughed Anyway moment(s):
> - Angel's quiet "I thought it was funny" (he uses that one a lot,
> huh?) when the others ignore his joke
> - "Right between the clowns and the big talking hot dog"
Loved that one :)
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Has the feel of a major episode; the show's on
> a roll.
Bring it on :)
> AOQ rating: Good
Good for me to. Finally Lindsey's project is taking shape. For me its the
15th best AtS episode, 7th best in season 2.
--
Apteryx
>Angel doesn't seem
> worried about where is next blood pack is coming from.
Rats are free!
> So is that what a big underground water tank really looks like? And why
> would a tank that new be empty?
I don't know what that place actually is or where in L.A. it's located
but I've seen it used as a location in about a dozen different movies
and TV shows over the years.
It's like that big angled rock formation out in the desert where Kirk
fought the Gorn in the original "Star Trek" series. It's been in
literally dozens of movies. If you have a rocky, desert setting in your
script in Hollywood, that's apparently the prime choice for the shoot.
Or he could get a night job at a slaughter house.
--
Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
> I have to
> question this major role of Darla's in Angel's past. It doesn't
> actively contradict anything we've been told, but I'd always sort
> of assumed that Angelus did his own thing, carving out his own
> reputation. Now they're making it look like he was inseparable from
> Darla, who nurtured his capacity for cruelty all this time and did a
> lot of the planning.
I'm sure people will point out all the brilliant things of this episode
- and it's one that I love too. But as regards this, then I think you
should think of it a little more carefully. We have seen Liam and he
was a drunken wastrel, who was a disappointment to his family and never
did a days honest work. A far cry form the the Angelus we have seen,
who has as his speciality exquisite psychological torture. Now we find
out who helped him become the monster we have seen - who egged him on
and showed him that there was more to unlife than just killing people.
Behind Angelus there was a very smart and ruthless Darla. And I think
she was quite happy for him to be in the spot light.
And stubbornly ignored the warning. He's doing exactly what W&H want him
to do: get in touch with his dark side. Whether they benefit from that,
or get bit in their collective asses, remains to be seen.
Mel
>(reposted with the correct episode number)
>
>A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for future _Buffy_ and _Angel_
>episodes in these review threads.
>
>
>ANGEL
>Season Two, Episode 5: "Dear Boy"
>(or "Mankind. You make me want to vomit.")
>Writer: David Greenwalt
>Director: David Greenwalt
>
>The credits were exciting to watch this week. Not only are Lindsey and
>Kate in this one, but so's Drusilla, after years of wondering where
>she's been. And written and directed by David G., so there's a
>fair chance that it'll be a good one, or at least an important one...
>
<SNIP>
>
>AOQ rating: Good
>
>[Season Two so far:
>1) "Judgment" - Weak
>2) "Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been?" - Decent
>3) "First Impressions" - Good
>4) "Untouched" - Good
>5) "Dear Boy" - Good]
I'll agree that the Host stuff is a bit much, but not enough to take
away from an episode that not only gives us a human Darla with quite
the heaving bosom for a little girl (to think, she might have been
Buffy) but also Dru and how she was turned and why.
This was an Excellent episode. Gave me all kinds of hope for the
future of the spinoff. Part of the Buffyverse yet so much darker
somehow.
Great stuff!
Ken (Brooklyn)
>
>And stubbornly ignored the warning. He's doing exactly what W&H want him
>to do: get in touch with his dark side. Whether they benefit from that,
>or get bit in their collective asses, remains to be seen.
>
>
>Mel
Unfortunately, after failing to stop W & H from bringing her back in
the first place, there aren't too many options available.
Wes
Not many, no. But he is plainly not going to do the best thing, which is
to ignore Darla and get on with his mission. Instead, he makes her his
mission at the expense of everything else.
Mel
darla is a human now
that means a soul and a chance for redemption
which angel is supposed to help
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> Which is kind of funny to me. This is the episode I mistakenly watched
> first thinking it was the season opener. (The first two disks wer swapped
> in my package.) Now that we're back to it - it still feels a lot like the
> season opener to me. Here's the Darla follow through to last season's
> surprise finale.
Hmm. I think it works better with the slow-build of the Darladreams.
They show up in the background to cast a shadow over a lgihter episode,
then we get an explanation and a creepy juxtaposition like the one you
liekd so much in "Unotuched." It gives the story some time to
percolate, and I think the sense that the dreams have been going on for
some time adds to DB.
> Oh, one more thing about this scene. I told you there was something to be
> said for bodices and heaving bosoms. ;-)
Forgot to mention that, but yeah, I didn't know it was possible for a
pair of breasts to get so... portrusive, given the right clothing.
> I'm torn here. I like Darla a lot. But Lindsey annoyed me again. He
> doesn't seem fun to me. Just kind of monotonish.
I don't know what to say there, except that I've been enjoying the
character quite a bit throughout the series. He's on the subdued side
(he's a lawyer after all, and consider who his enemy is), but Kane's
delivery tends to have some nuance to it.
> It just went on and on. But I can't imagine what to cut. It all was worth
> it. (Actually, I think something must have been cut. The last part starts
> with Angel seeming to be out of breath - let's forget he's not suppose to
> have breath anyway. For no reason that I saw. So I suspect something was
> cut.)
Well said. And as for the parenthetical part, I didn't get that
either. For a second I was wondering if there was implied sex, but
that wouldn't make any sense.
-AOQ
But AI is known for its low rats.
-AOQ
it took anya in doppelgangland
Having changed clothes with vampwillow, it would make sense that
Will would have still had plenty of vampire smell on her.
Which leads me to the odd mental image of Wolfram and hart paying
a vampire to pre-wear clothes for Darla. :)