AOQ Review 5-9: "Listening To Fear"
Arbitrar Of Quality
threads.
BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
(or "Long slow goodbye")
Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
Director: David Solomon
Another week in the hospital and generally taking care of Joyce, while
Assorted Other Things happen. This episode is much in the vein of
"Shadow" for me. Like its predecessor, it has some good high-drama
scenes involving the Summers clan. Plus its proximate villain is less
silly-looking, and it's entirely Glory-free. Sounds good, right?
But this one has a little more of the lifelessness factor. Although I
remember that a few scenes were very nice, I can't really remember
what happened otherwise, and have precious little to say about it.
Episodes like this aren't "bad" so much as "a little bit
lacking."
Speaking of shadows, Dawn gets called by that name this week.
So, family stuff. Most of the bit in the teaser, with Dawn grooving on
the hospital life and Buffy as Protector seems pretty well played.
There's a lot of sadness all around, and they're channeling it into
pretty funny dialogue, not actively denying the suckiness of the
situation so much as dancing around it. So lines like "I know this
creamed spinach is pretty delicious, but I promise, I won't be offended
if you go out for some real food," and "and an adjustable bed to
fiddle with! That alone will keep me busy for four hours or so,"
ring true to me. Another example of good writing is the way Joyce
references Hank more and more often as she gets deeper into worrisome
territory. The circumstances under which the doctors let her go home
with someone who doesn't seem to understand what she's doing
medically do seem pretty contrived.
I think I've complained before about Buffy so casually leaving her
friends to handle patrolling when other things come up, and everyone so
cheerfully going along with it, despite the risk of death.
Long-running flaw of the series though, so there's been plenty of
time to get used to it. This time the excuse was decent and she
figured they'd have Riley's weaponry along. Quite liked the whole
TIRSBILA sequence starring Willow The Vampire Slayer. "Yay on me!
That was pretty cool. Except the part where I was all terrified and...
and now my knees are all dizzy." Willow's in another good scene
(more of a Tara scene, really) in which they're lying on a mattress
on a roof, stargazing. Not only is the actual content of the scene
pretty okay, but the choice of activities is cool. And Tiny Jewish
Santa, in whom Buffy doesn't believe anymore, is also good for a
laugh. And that's about it for the contribution of the others, other
than Riley who I'll get to in a minute.
Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
"you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from? On
the other hand, there are two Summers bits that I did like. The first
is the fact that Dawn herself is starting to suspect that there's
something strange about her. Characters, especially self-centered
ones, should notice things like that. Buffy's reassurances seem very
determined but also hollow, which is kinda the point. Even though
I'm pretty sick of "it's nothing, Dawn, everything will be
okay" scenes, this is the right way to do one. Too bad the rest of
LTF didn't get that memo. The second bit I very much like is Joyce
learning about Dawn. The writing and delivery are both good here.
Joyce's hesitant and wordy way of raising the issue is combined with
certainty that she's right, and Gellar's quiet "no" in response
to "she's not... mine, is she?" is perfect. That knowledge
doesn't take away from Mom's sense of parental need to protect her.
Wasn't expecting that, and it works. Note also Joyce giving the
beginnings of an "if anything happens" speech, and shrugging off
Buffy's one attempt to prevent her from doing so. It's time to be
worried about such things.
It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
not just say that) doesn't do much to stand out compared to the
monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
know if this is only the beginning of the Threat From Beyond Space, or
whether the episode is just engaging in normal hyperbole in trying to
make its monster of the week seem more important.
I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally. And now
they're suddenly trying to make him sinisterly call in his government
favors, after having severed all ties with them about five times. The
scripts aren't selling his conflict at all for me. Those who believe
in The Hand Of The Writer may now feel free to start speculating on
whether we're seeing the beginnings of a calculated character
poisoning so as to get him out of Spike's way.
Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
showing up that tipped me off.
So...
One-sentence summary: Parts of the family stuff are strong, the rest
not so much.
AOQ rating: Decent
[Season Five so far:
1) "Buffy Vs. Dracula" - Good
2) "Real Me" - Decent
3) "The Replacement" - Good
4) "Out Of My Mind" - Weak
5) "No Place Like Home" - Decent
6) "Family" - Excellent
7) "Fool For Love" - Excellent
8) "Shadow" - Good
9) "Listening To Fear" - Decent]
Rowan Hawthorn
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> (or "Long slow goodbye")
> Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
> Director: David Solomon
>
> friends to handle patrolling when other things come up, and everyone so
> cheerfully going along with it, despite the risk of death.
> Long-running flaw of the series though, so there's been plenty of
> time to get used to it. This time the excuse was decent and she
> figured they'd have Riley's weaponry along. Quite liked the whole
> TIRSBILA sequence starring Willow The Vampire Slayer. "Yay on me!
> That was pretty cool. Except the part where I was all terrified and...
> and now my knees are all dizzy." Willow's in another good scene
> (more of a Tara scene, really) in which they're lying on a mattress
> on a roof, stargazing. Not only is the actual content of the scene
> pretty okay, but the choice of activities is cool.
It is. And I believe we may be in a very small club of posters here who
actually liked that scene. (But it's still cool. Aly and Amber do a
really good job of portraying two people who are very comfortable with
each other, even while they're still really just learning each other.)
> And Tiny Jewish
> Santa, in whom Buffy doesn't believe anymore, is also good for a
> laugh. And that's about it for the contribution of the others, other
> than Riley who I'll get to in a minute.
Must we? Oh, well, okay...
>
> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> not just say that)
Did, too, did too! And probably not the first one to say it, although
maybe not in those *exact* words (I seem to recall conversations
regarding slugs, caterpillars, worms, maggots, larvae in general...)
> doesn't do much to stand out compared to the
> monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
> thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
> notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
> know if this is only the beginning of the Threat From Beyond Space, or
> whether the episode is just engaging in normal hyperbole in trying to
> make its monster of the week seem more important.
Well, it's also the first time, I believe, that they have faced anything
which so obviously came from an unknown Beyond (as opposed to the
normal, everyday Beyond that they face regularly.)
>
> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> showing up that tipped me off.
Y'think?
>
>
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Parts of the family stuff are strong, the rest
> not so much.
>
> AOQ rating: Decent
>
Yeah, that's about where I'd place it, too.
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Wes <>
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
>A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
>threads.
>
>
>BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
>(or "Long slow goodbye")
>Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
>Director: David Solomon
>
>Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
> The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
>but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
>how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
>not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
>"you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from?
I don't know what qualifies as really being explained, but what we get
in this ep is:
BUFFY: It's okay. I'm sorry, the doctor spoke to me, and uh, I should
have told you. Um, the, the thing that's pressing on her brain,
sometimes it, it might make her say weird things.
DAWN: Does she know she's saying them?
BUFFY: Not really. It's sort of like a flash, you know, but you saw
her two seconds afterward. She was normal.
WILLOW: And after the operation, no more pressing. She'll be all
normal all the time.
>
> The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
>the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
>monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes.
They've known about other dimensions for a while but hey, they've just
discovered proof of extraterrestrial life!
Then they killed it.
Oh well.
So I don't
>know if this is only the beginning of the Threat From Beyond Space, or
>whether the episode is just engaging in normal hyperbole in trying to
>make its monster of the week seem more important.
>
...or if it's something else.
>AOQ rating: Decent
>
It manages to just make it into the Good category for me.
Wes
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> friends to handle patrolling when other things come up, and everyone so
> cheerfully going along with it, despite the risk of death.
as willow pointed out in the long ago they had a mission statement
dont get killed
> but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
> how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
> not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
> "you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from? On
she has a growth in her brain
as it presses on neural pathways that can trigger all kinds of random behavior
this kind of stuff really happens
perceiving one of your daughters as mystic ball energey
that part is fictional
> notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
buffy is alone to defend her mother
and has no option but to try beating snot monster to death
rileys approach of getting some allies and deal with it in force is smarter
better overwhelming and unnecessary force
than retreating bloody and defeated
> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> showing up that tipped me off.
parker kept showing up
until riley punched him
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if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
Don Sample
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
I can't recall anyone objecting to that scene.
> > It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> > not just say that)
>
> Did, too, did too! And probably not the first one to say it, although
> maybe not in those *exact* words (I seem to recall conversations
> regarding slugs, caterpillars, worms, maggots, larvae in general...)
It was Giles who first called it a Killer Snot Monster from Outer Space.
I really liked Dawn in this episode, especially from the moment she
discovered the monster. No hesitation, she grabs the coat rack and
attacks. Then she leads the Quellor on a merry chase all around the
upstairs set, making use of just about every door in it. (She only
missed to one into Buffy's room.)
(As Xander pointed out about the dorm room that Buffy moved out of right
after she moved into it, two doors gives a lot of opportunity for bawdy
French farce. Also for running monsters around in circles. (Joyce's
room actually has three doors, and Dawn used them all.))
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(Harmony) Watcher
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>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> (or "Long slow goodbye")
> Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
> Director: David Solomon
>
> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> not just say that) doesn't do much to stand out compared to the
> monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
> thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
> notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
> know if this is only the beginning of the Threat From Beyond Space, or
> whether the episode is just engaging in normal hyperbole in trying to
> make its monster of the week seem more important.
>
orders and procedures "by the book", a large portion of which, I suspect,
must have been contributed by the civilian scientists working at the now
supposedly defunct Initiative--procedures explaining how to respond on
scene, preserve samples for systematic cataloging and later scientific
analysis, etc. Perhaps demons potentially of an extra-terrestrial origin
might demand more careful attention than those of terrestrial origin?
> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> showing up that tipped me off.
>
Ben is the "man nurse".
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Don Sample
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> (or "Long slow goodbye")
> Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
> Director: David Solomon
Not sure if you noticed, but the crazy guy that Dawn ran into in the
hospital, and later became the first victim of the Quellor was the
security guard that Glory did the mind suck on in "No Place At Home."
Kermit
biting my tongue really, really hard to avoid saying spoilery type things.
Don Sample
<mair_fheal-6336B...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> > the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> > monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
>
> buffy is alone to defend her mother
She wasn't alone. She had Dawn helping. Joyce would have died without
her.
jil...@hotmail.com
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> not just say that) doesn't do much to stand out compared to the
> monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
> thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
> notwithstanding. The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes.
I have to tell you, I don't think the Quellor is from Outer Space. I
think it actually enters our Earthly dimension high in the atmosphere.
(Harmony) Watcher
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> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> (or "Long slow goodbye")
> Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
> Director: David Solomon
>
> Another week in the hospital and generally taking care of Joyce, while
> Assorted Other Things happen. This episode is much in the vein of
> "Shadow" for me. Like its predecessor, it has some good high-drama
> scenes involving the Summers clan. Plus its proximate villain is less
> silly-looking, and it's entirely Glory-free. Sounds good, right?
> But this one has a little more of the lifelessness factor. Although I
> remember that a few scenes were very nice, I can't really remember
> what happened otherwise, and have precious little to say about it.
> Episodes like this aren't "bad" so much as "a little bit
> lacking."
>
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==Harmony Watcher==
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> discovered the monster. No hesitation, she grabs the coat rack and
> attacks. Then she leads the Quellor on a merry chase all around the
> upstairs set, making use of just about every door in it. (She only
> missed to one into Buffy's room.)
>
> (As Xander pointed out about the dorm room that Buffy moved out of right
> after she moved into it, two doors gives a lot of opportunity for bawdy
> French farce. Also for running monsters around in circles. (Joyce's
> room actually has three doors, and Dawn used them all.))
also very confusing if you dont know the layout of the upstairs
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
"jil...@hotmail.com" <jil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
theres a suggestion that it came from the moon
Don Sample
<mair_fheal-9897F...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> > I really liked Dawn in this episode, especially from the moment she
> > discovered the monster. No hesitation, she grabs the coat rack and
> > attacks. Then she leads the Quellor on a merry chase all around the
> > upstairs set, making use of just about every door in it. (She only
> > missed to one into Buffy's room.)
> >
> > (As Xander pointed out about the dorm room that Buffy moved out of right
> > after she moved into it, two doors gives a lot of opportunity for bawdy
> > French farce. Also for running monsters around in circles. (Joyce's
> > room actually has three doors, and Dawn used them all.))
>
> also very confusing if you dont know the layout of the upstairs
+----------------+
| Closet |
+---------=======-------+---+--------========--------+----------------+
| | | |
| | C | |
| | l | |
| Dawn's room | o | Joyce's room |
= | s | |
= | e | <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
= +-------+ | t | V +---------+ ^ |
= | | +---+ V | | ^ |
| | | Start V | | ^ =
| | | <<<<<<<<<< V | | ^ =
| | | V V | | ^ =
| | | V + V | | ^ =
| +-------+ V | End +---------+ ^ |
+------------------+ V +-+--+-+ +------------------+ ^ |
| | V + | | | | | ^ |
| | >>>>>>>>>>> | | | | | ^ |
| | V | | | | | ^ |
| | + V | | | | | ^ |
+------------------+-----------+ V +---------------++ ^ ++
| | V | +--+ ^ |
| Buffy's room | V | +--+ ^ |
= | V | () ^ |
= | V | Bathroom ^ =
= + V + ^ =
= V ^ =
|+------------+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =
|| | |
|| | +---+ + |
|| | | | | +-----------+
|| | | C | | | ( ) |
|| | | l | +-----------+-+-----------+
|+------------+ | o | | Bathtub |
| | s | | |
| | e | +-----------+
| | t | |
| | | |
+--------=======--=======--+---+---======---+
===== - Windows
>>>>> - Dawn's route
Apteryx
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> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> (or "Long slow goodbye")
> Writer: Rebecca Rand Kirshner
> Director: David Solomon
>
> Another week in the hospital and generally taking care of Joyce, while
> Assorted Other Things happen. This episode is much in the vein of
> "Shadow" for me. Like its predecessor, it has some good high-drama
> scenes involving the Summers clan. Plus its proximate villain is less
> silly-looking
Um...? Less silly looking than what? George Bush in a tutu? Maybe. Maybe
not.
> But this one has a little more of the lifelessness factor. Although I
> remember that a few scenes were very nice, I can't really remember
> what happened otherwise, and have precious little to say about it.
> Episodes like this aren't "bad" so much as "a little bit
> lacking."
I can remember a lot of it. Mostly not in a good way.
> So, family stuff. Most of the bit in the teaser, with Dawn grooving on
> the hospital life and Buffy as Protector seems pretty well played.
The early stuff is OK. I liked Dawn and the cows' feet.
> territory. The circumstances under which the doctors let her go home
> with someone who doesn't seem to understand what she's doing
> medically do seem pretty contrived.
Yes.
> I think I've complained before about Buffy so casually leaving her
> friends to handle patrolling when other things come up, and everyone so
> cheerfully going along with it, despite the risk of death.
Yes. Especially since this week the threat seems to come from a couple of
vampires who appeared to have female body builders who looked well capable
of sorting out the Scoobie gang even before they were turned.
>
> Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
> The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
> but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
> how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
> not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
> "you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from?
The tumour, according to Dr Buffy.
> LTF didn't get that memo. The second bit I very much like is Joyce
> learning about Dawn. The writing and delivery are both good here.
> Joyce's hesitant and wordy way of raising the issue is combined with
> certainty that she's right, and Gellar's quiet "no" in response
> to "she's not... mine, is she?" is perfect.
Not me. I mean, you're a mother with a brain tumour that is making you say
and think odd things, and you suddenly have this knowledge, that comes like
truth, that one of your daughters is not your daughter, what do you do? Tell
your other daughter? I can't see it myself. Joyce seems to be aware enough
of her condition to know that her tumour is the likely source of that
"knowledge". She might tell her doctor, but most likely she'd stay mum.
Buffy's reaction is fair enough. Once the question is out there, she can
hardly lie to her mother on what for all she knows could be her death bed.
But intuitive knowledge appears to have replaced research at this point. A
few seconds at her computer and Willow has historical evidence and a
pattern. But it seems that the writers used the same research technique.
Reykjavik was empty farmland until the mid 18th century -
http://www.tourist.reykjavik.is/displayer.asp?cat_id=210 - certainly no town
in the 12th century for any meteor to land just outside. And "witnesses" to
the Tunguska meteor apparently thought it was hollow - but the Tunguska
meteor exploded at or just above the surface (scattering pebble debris
rather than metal or space ship parts) with a force equivalent to 60
Hiroshima A-bombs; the nearest human witnesses (or at least the nearest to
survive) were 30 km away.
> I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
> with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
> is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
> knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally.
It seems a little different from last week with Sandy. He doesn't stake her
this time.
>
> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> showing up that tipped me off.
>
Mm, nice Ben is nasty enough to summon a demon to kill several mental
patients, and he knows Glory.
> AOQ rating: Decent
For me this is Weak (and a Weak that's closer to Bad than to Decent). It
almost looks like at this point in the season, the writers are getting
worried that there won't be a 6th season, and are anxious to showcase their
talents at sci-fi and hospital soaps to other producers. It has a monster as
weak as some of the season 2 fillers, but without the humour (except for
smileworthy cows' feet, Jewish Santa, and the self-parody implicit in having
a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space, even before you call it that). So
far we have seen 7 of my Top 10 BtVS episodes, but here for the first time
we are introduced to the Bottom 10 - although only just, coming in this week
at No 10, or 135th best BtVS episode, 19th best in season 5.
--
Apteryx
Lord Usher
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>> > Willow's in another good scene (more of a Tara scene, really) in
>> > which they're lying on a mattress on a roof, stargazing. Not only
>> > is the actual content of the scene pretty okay, but the choice of
>> > activities is cool.
>>
>> It is. And I believe we may be in a very small club of posters here
>> who actually liked that scene. (But it's still cool. Aly and Amber
>> do a really good job of portraying two people who are very
>> comfortable with each other, even while they're still really just
>> learning each other.)
>
> I can't recall anyone objecting to that scene.
Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
"We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
husband home with you!"
Reading back over the transcript the stargazing scene sounds pretty cute,
but I recall that it's one of those scenes in which Alyson Hannigan goes
*waaaay* overboard with the baby talk. That kind of thing always made me
want to shove chopsticks in my ears.
--
Lord Usher
"I'm here to kill you, not to judge you."
lili...@gmail.com
from*g*
It was just a chance to get Giles to say "killer snot monster from
space"
Lore
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lili...@gmail.com
Apteryx schreef:
One easy way to deal with historical inaccuracies, the Buffyverse is
not our world, it just looks like it a lot. Think about it, this is a
world where demons live amongst humanity. It stands to reckon that
there'd be some differences*eg*
Lore
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"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> The second bit I very much like is Joyce
> learning about Dawn. The writing and delivery are both good here.
> Joyce's hesitant and wordy way of raising the issue is combined with
> certainty that she's right, and Gellar's quiet "no" in response
> to "she's not... mine, is she?" is perfect. That knowledge
> doesn't take away from Mom's sense of parental need to protect her.
> Wasn't expecting that, and it works. Note also Joyce giving the
> beginnings of an "if anything happens" speech, and shrugging off
> Buffy's one attempt to prevent her from doing so. It's time to be
> worried about such things.
To me this screams out as the most important scene in the season to
date: It defines the relationship and not only is Dawn fully accepted,
come-what-may, but even if Joyce makes it through surgery that is a
*big* promise Buffy has made. Not just dealing with the Monk's mess
anymore.
kenm47
Generally, about 97% or so, IAWTP.
Ken (Brooklyn)
Rowan Hawthorn
I seem to recall hearing (well, reading, actually) several snide remarks
at the time. Maybe they just stand out in my memory for some reason.
>
>
>>> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
>>> not just say that)
>> Did, too, did too! And probably not the first one to say it, although
>> maybe not in those *exact* words (I seem to recall conversations
>> regarding slugs, caterpillars, worms, maggots, larvae in general...)
>
> It was Giles who first called it a Killer Snot Monster from Outer Space.
>
Really. Wow, it *has* been a while since I saw this episode. Can
anyone tell that season Five is not really my favorite? I should catch
up and start following along with AoQ...
>
> I really liked Dawn in this episode, especially from the moment she
> discovered the monster. No hesitation, she grabs the coat rack and
> attacks. Then she leads the Quellor on a merry chase all around the
> upstairs set, making use of just about every door in it. (She only
> missed to one into Buffy's room.)
>
> (As Xander pointed out about the dorm room that Buffy moved out of right
> after she moved into it, two doors gives a lot of opportunity for bawdy
> French farce. Also for running monsters around in circles. (Joyce's
> room actually has three doors, and Dawn used them all.))
>
Heh. Dawn is nothing if not resourceful.
jil...@hotmail.com
Lord Usher wrote:
> Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
> about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
> "We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
> husband home with you!"
I don't think that's about how the mentally ill should be treated.
Remember, this is Sunnydale. That attitude is certainly no surprise.
JJ Karhu
wrote:
>Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
>about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
>"We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
>husband home with you!"
Welcome to the real world . . . :/
// JJ
Elisi
> > It was Giles who first called it a Killer Snot Monster from Outer Space.
> >
>
> Really. Wow, it *has* been a while since I saw this episode.
Hmm, yes and no. From the transcript:
XANDER: I still don't get why we had to come here to get info about a
killer snot monster.
GILES: Because it's a killer snot monster from outer space. (Pauses) I
did not say that.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
"jil...@hotmail.com" <jil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
if theyre not a danger to themselves or others
then hospitialization is voluntary after the 72 hour hold
peachy ashie passion
>
>
> Not me. I mean, you're a mother with a brain tumour that is making you say
> and think odd things, and you suddenly have this knowledge, that comes like
> truth, that one of your daughters is not your daughter, what do you do? Tell
> your other daughter? I can't see it myself. Joyce seems to be aware enough
> of her condition to know that her tumour is the likely source of that
> "knowledge".
I spent the last 9 months working in the mental health department at
my local hospital. I will tell you, they never stay quiet about it.
Even people who know they have been paranoid schizophrenic for all
their lives and KNOW they are prone to delusions and can verbalize that
when they were sick before they had this SAME delusion can't quite wrap
their heads around the fact that this time it is a delusion too. They
are just as utterly convinced of it's reality as they were the first time.
I am convinced it is one of the side effects of having delusions and
hallucinations, it almost always takes away your ability to doubt it's
reality or to stay quiet about it.
Elisi
Plus its proximate villain is less
> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
> thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
> notwithstanding.
The Queller demon is the only demon in the entire 'verse that freaks me
out. *shudder*
The circumstances under which the doctors let her go home
> with someone who doesn't seem to understand what she's doing
> medically do seem pretty contrived.
I guess it's a case of stretching credibility for the sake of the plot.
Whether it's worth it is up to the viewer.
The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though, particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes. So I don't
> know if this is only the beginning of the Threat From Beyond Space, or
> whether the episode is just engaging in normal hyperbole in trying to
> make its monster of the week seem more important.
>
> I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
> with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
> is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
> knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally. And now
> they're suddenly trying to make him sinisterly call in his government
> favors, after having severed all ties with them about five times. The
> scripts aren't selling his conflict at all for me. Those who believe
> in The Hand Of The Writer may now feel free to start speculating on
> whether we're seeing the beginnings of a calculated character
> poisoning so as to get him out of Spike's way.
About Riley... I don't think he sees his actions as sinister. I think
he's trying to connect with what he knows. Notice how confident he is
when speaking to the soldiers. The army is familiar and he knows where
he stands with them, which is a big change from the current situation
with Buffy.
George W Harris
wrote:
:
:Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
:about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
:"We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
:husband home with you!"
That is unrealistic; first they'd try the Trailways
Treatment (take him to a bus station, buy him a ticket.
Now he's some other hospital's problem).
--
Real men don't need macho posturing to bolster their egos.
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'.
One Bit Shy
news:1150777622.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
> So, family stuff. Most of the bit in the teaser, with Dawn grooving on
> the hospital life and Buffy as Protector seems pretty well played.
> There's a lot of sadness all around, and they're channeling it into
> pretty funny dialogue, not actively denying the suckiness of the
> situation so much as dancing around it. So lines like "I know this
> creamed spinach is pretty delicious, but I promise, I won't be offended
> if you go out for some real food," and "and an adjustable bed to
> fiddle with! That alone will keep me busy for four hours or so,"
> ring true to me. Another example of good writing is the way Joyce
> references Hank more and more often as she gets deeper into worrisome
> territory. The circumstances under which the doctors let her go home
> with someone who doesn't seem to understand what she's doing
> medically do seem pretty contrived.
This is a slowly building story, both in action and emotional tension. So
the start is kind of slow. But I think they do a nice job packing the front
end with quality tenderness and humor. I really enjoyed Dawn's jello
speech.
Dawn: It's good and wiggly. This girl at school told me that gelatin is
made from ground-up cow's feet, and that if you eat Jello there's some cows
out limping with no feet. But I told her I'm sure they kill 'em before they
take off their feet. (Suddenly nervous) Right?
> I think I've complained before about Buffy so casually leaving her
> friends to handle patrolling when other things come up, and everyone so
> cheerfully going along with it, despite the risk of death.
> Long-running flaw of the series though, so there's been plenty of
> time to get used to it. This time the excuse was decent and she
> figured they'd have Riley's weaponry along. Quite liked the whole
> TIRSBILA sequence starring Willow The Vampire Slayer. "Yay on me!
> That was pretty cool. Except the part where I was all terrified and...
> and now my knees are all dizzy." Willow's in another good scene
> (more of a Tara scene, really) in which they're lying on a mattress
> on a roof, stargazing. Not only is the actual content of the scene
> pretty okay, but the choice of activities is cool. And Tiny Jewish
> Santa, in whom Buffy doesn't believe anymore, is also good for a
> laugh. And that's about it for the contribution of the others, other
> than Riley who I'll get to in a minute.
The beer hat is about as nonsensical and even inappropriate a gift as I can
imagine. But Willow does make up for it with the cool spells book for Dawn
and the yo-yo for Buffy. So Willow stays in my good graces. The history
book... I guess that's to tell us Buffy's struggling to keep up with her
college classes.
> Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
> The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
> but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
> how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
> not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
> "you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from?
From a tumor pressing on her brain. I'm puzzled at your puzzlement. She's
sick, and one of the symptoms is periodically losing her mind. Aside from
bringing home how sick she is and disturbing her daughters, it's also the
means for her recognizing the truth of Dawn - just like the crazy men can
see the truth of Dawn.
Easily the most powerful sequence in the episode for me, and one that sticks
with me through the series, is when Joyce is lying on the bed babbling
nonsene, with Dawn next door trying to cover her ears, and Buffy downstairs
trying to escape washing dishes. The last especially gets me. Just seeing
Buffy washing dishes is jarring. After years of seeing slayer burdens
dropped on her shoulders, just taking on the chores of the house with the
implication of caring for her mother and sister, feels like the extra weight
to break her. The music she turned on to drown out her mother was
brilliant. Stupidly perky and annoying, it does anything but uplift. But
it does further isolate her in her misery. And then the crying. A cry that
aches for the comfort of mommy. But she can't reach out for that. That's
not who she'll find.
> On
> the other hand, there are two Summers bits that I did like. The first
> is the fact that Dawn herself is starting to suspect that there's
> something strange about her. Characters, especially self-centered
> ones, should notice things like that. Buffy's reassurances seem very
> determined but also hollow, which is kinda the point. Even though
> I'm pretty sick of "it's nothing, Dawn, everything will be
> okay" scenes, this is the right way to do one. Too bad the rest of
> LTF didn't get that memo. The second bit I very much like is Joyce
> learning about Dawn. The writing and delivery are both good here.
> Joyce's hesitant and wordy way of raising the issue is combined with
> certainty that she's right, and Gellar's quiet "no" in response
> to "she's not... mine, is she?" is perfect. That knowledge
> doesn't take away from Mom's sense of parental need to protect her.
> Wasn't expecting that, and it works. Note also Joyce giving the
> beginnings of an "if anything happens" speech, and shrugging off
> Buffy's one attempt to prevent her from doing so. It's time to be
> worried about such things.
I think it's interesting that Joyce doesn't seem worried about Buffy. It's
Dawn she's worried about. And she lays that burden smack on Buffy here.
Makes Buffy swear to it. I suppose the circumstances demanded it - not a
lot of choice. But Joyce sure does strike deep sometimes. Reminds me of
her conversation with Angel a couple seasons back, when she let him know
what his responsibilities were.
> It's rather lame that a Killer Snot Monster From Outer Space (I did
> not just say that) doesn't do much to stand out compared to the
> monsters on earth. Mrs. Quality really hated the Queller's design; I
> thought it was fine for what it was, the previous sentence
> notwithstanding.
I didn't like it initiatlly. The stuff where it was crawling on the ceiling
of the hospital didn't work for me. Didn't buy that it wouldn't be seen.
It was fine in the house though. I liked it's noise and its mouth and its
disgusting sluglike shape. Much better than the assorted snake monsters
we've seen.
I also liked the brief trapped in the house with a monster scare sequence.
I thought it was nicely filmed. Dawn's race through the rooms slamming
doors. Her big scream pulling Buffy out of crying at the sink moment is a
real good shock moment. The look on Buffy's face and instant springing to
pure Buffy action with a sense of urgency we don't often see. Pulling the
knife in the kitchen. The way the monster wrestling with Spike turned and
looked at Buffy and then went after her. Just well done - with nothing
belabored. It's all over pretty quickly.
And, of course, ending with Spike there to pull Buffy to her feet and poor
Riley crashing in too late.
> The characters seem to place a lot of significance on
> the meteor crash, though,
Going to the meteor site initially seems overblown to me. So Willow and
Tara saw a mteor crash. That might make them run to look at the metoer.
But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that something
nasty is going on? Oh, well. It does get them there.
> particularly Riley, disproportionate to one
> monster that Buffy and Spike can kill in a few minutes.
Once they realize that there was something inside the meteor, then the
concern makes more sense. First, they haven't even seen it yet, so they
have no idea that it's something Buffy and Spike could off in a flash.
Second, it's from outer space - something they have no experience in. (They
have to go to the college library to research it since Giles books are of no
use.) Third, Riley is looking for an excuse to call in his old Initiative
buddies. (Remember, he had suggested the same thing to Buffy -uh- I think
last episode.) But the big thing, emphasized by Willow repeatedly, is that
Buffy isn't available. They're on edge that they can't turn to her if they
need to.
> I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
> with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
> is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
> knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally.
I figure that the first time was to experience what Buffy had. The second
time must be something else. I guess he found something in the experience
that he liked.
> And now
> they're suddenly trying to make him sinisterly call in his government
> favors, after having severed all ties with them about five times.
What's sinister about it? He just didn't want to do it in front of the
Scoobies. Again, he suggested to Buffy that they be called in before. I
think last episode. I imagine he just wants to be useful, be part of
something and doing something. From his point of view, Buffy's not letting
him in.
Incidentally, the most striking visual of the episode was the copter
swooping in on the meteor crash site. Quite beautiful.
> The
> scripts aren't selling his conflict at all for me. Those who believe
> in The Hand Of The Writer may now feel free to start speculating on
> whether we're seeing the beginnings of a calculated character
> poisoning so as to get him out of Spike's way.
That may very well be the writer's motivation. I don't know. But I think
you're puzzling his motivation too much. I really think the Riley story is
very straight forward and laid out pretty openly. Wait a bit. It may
become clearer.
One little thing to note on the Spike front.
Buffy: You were stealing?
Spke: Well, yeah. Can't exactly work the counter at Burger Barn, can I?
I like how Spike just openly admits it. A quieter version of him shouting
out with frustration that he's a vampire. It's what he does. A little bit
of surprise at someone excpecting decency from him. And a little bit not
understanding what that even means. It's not like it occurs to him that
there's a reason not to do it besides the risk of getting caught.
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: Parts of the family stuff are strong, the rest
> not so much.
>
> AOQ rating: Decent
I like the episode a great deal better than you. There isn't enough content
to drive it to Excellent. But I think it's really nicely put together and
has what I think is a stupendous scene with Joyce breaking down and Buffy at
the sink. So it makes for a solid Good for me.
OBS
Don Sample
Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Don Sample <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in
> news:dsample-BA23D0...@news.giganews.com:
>
> >> > Willow's in another good scene (more of a Tara scene, really) in
> >> > which they're lying on a mattress on a roof, stargazing. Not only
> >> > is the actual content of the scene pretty okay, but the choice of
> >> > activities is cool.
> >>
> >> It is. And I believe we may be in a very small club of posters here
> >> who actually liked that scene. (But it's still cool. Aly and Amber
> >> do a really good job of portraying two people who are very
> >> comfortable with each other, even while they're still really just
> >> learning each other.)
> >
> > I can't recall anyone objecting to that scene.
>
> Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
> about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
> "We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
> husband home with you!"
Nothing was said about him being dangerously psychotic.
George W Harris
wrote:
:But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that something
:nasty is going on?
Perhaps you're fogetting the Sunnydale version of
Occam's Razor: The more spooky and dangerous
explanation is usually the correct one. If someone doesn't
show up for work, is it because a) he's sick or b) he's had
his head bitten off by a demon?
--
"Intelligence is too complex to capture in a single number." -Alfred Binet
One Bit Shy
news:kidg92tqp9ipiiucr...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:43 -0400, "One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry>
> wrote:
>
> :But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that
> something
> :nasty is going on?
>
> Perhaps you're fogetting the Sunnydale version of
> Occam's Razor: The more spooky and dangerous
> explanation is usually the correct one. If someone doesn't
> show up for work, is it because a) he's sick or b) he's had
> his head bitten off by a demon?
You're right. "It's Sunnydale" is the answer to a whole lot of things. I
say it a lot myself. (Even when I'm not in Sunnydale. <g>)
It also occurs to me as I think about it that Willow has only a general idea
where it landed. Even if it's just a big rock, it could have caused any
sort of damage. Maybe even disturbed some sort of demon nest. Getting the
gang together probably is the prudent thing to do.
OBS
Elisi
George W Harris wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:43 -0400, "One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry>
> wrote:
>
> :But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that something
> :nasty is going on?
>
> Perhaps you're fogetting the Sunnydale version of
> Occam's Razor: The more spooky and dangerous
> explanation is usually the correct one. If someone doesn't
> show up for work, is it because a) he's sick or b) he's had
> his head bitten off by a demon?
Just like 'Inca Mummy Girl':
Xander: Not happy.
Willow: No. Uh, oh, y-yes. No. Rodney's missing.
Giles: (comes out of his office with an ice pack) Trouble with Mr.
Munson again? (puts it on his shoulder)
Willow: His parents say he never came home last night.
Buffy: Y'know, I don't think I remember seeing Rodney on the bus back
from the field trip.
Willow: I didn't either. I hope he didn't get in trouble at the
museum.
Xander: (chuckles) Hey, maybe he awakened the mummy.
Willow: (giggles) Right, and it rose from its tomb.
Buffy: (smiles) And attacked him. (nods)
Their smiles fade as they all realize that that may not be so far-
fetched.
;)
BTR1701
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> > fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> > showing up that tipped me off.
>
> Y'think?
I just remember wondering at that point if there was some sort of
connection between Ben and Glory...
Don Sample
"Elisi" <eli...@gmail.com> wrote:
"One day I'm going to live in a town where evil curses are just
generally ruled out without even saying."
Arbitrar Of Quality
And then we find out here that he's her janitor.
-AOQ
Arbitrar Of Quality
Apteryx wrote:
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150777622.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > Another week in the hospital and generally taking care of Joyce, while
> > Assorted Other Things happen. This episode is much in the vein of
> > "Shadow" for me. Like its predecessor, it has some good high-drama
> > scenes involving the Summers clan. Plus its proximate villain is less
> > silly-looking
>
> Um...? Less silly looking than what? George Bush in a tutu? Maybe. Maybe
> not.
Than the virtual snake in "Shadow." I don't know where Tutu!Bush would
fit in on that spectrum.
> Not me. I mean, you're a mother with a brain tumour that is making you say
> and think odd things, and you suddenly have this knowledge, that comes like
> truth, that one of your daughters is not your daughter, what do you do? Tell
> your other daughter? I can't see it myself. Joyce seems to be aware enough
> of her condition to know that her tumour is the likely source of that
> "knowledge". She might tell her doctor, but most likely she'd stay mum.
I agree with peachy's followup. Also, it might feel different than her
previous outbursts, because this is a lasting bit of intuition, not
something that makes her say something weird and then not know what she
was thinking.
> > I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
> > with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
> > is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
> > knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally.
>
> It seems a little different from last week with Sandy. He doesn't stake her
> this time.
I don't know if the implication is that he'll end up doing the same
thing to this week's bloodsucker, or that it's something different.
> So
> far we have seen 7 of my Top 10 BtVS episodes, but here for the first time
> we are introduced to the Bottom 10 - although only just, coming in this week
> at No 10, or 135th best BtVS episode, 19th best in season 5.
I can probably come up with twenty I disliked more than this one, so,
uh, tastes will continue to vary.
-AOQ
Arbitrar Of Quality
One Bit Shy wrote:
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1150777622.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
> > The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
> > but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
> > how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
> > not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
> > "you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from?
>
> From a tumor pressing on her brain. I'm puzzled at your puzzlement. She's
> sick, and one of the symptoms is periodically losing her mind.
This symptom just seems like a weird mix of whatever suits the demands
of the scene. Sometimes it makes her express frustrations that she
would've kept to herself, sometimes it provides insights, and that one
line is the only one I can remember as a completely random meaningless
outburst.
> I think it's interesting that Joyce doesn't seem worried about Buffy.
Well, Buffy's shown that she's a Slayer type.
> It's
> Dawn she's worried about. And she lays that burden smack on Buffy here.
> Makes Buffy swear to it. I suppose the circumstances demanded it - not a
> lot of choice. But Joyce sure does strike deep sometimes. Reminds me of
> her conversation with Angel a couple seasons back, when she let him know
> what his responsibilities were.
Hadn't thought of that - I was allowing for it, since, well, the
circumstances demanded it. Still a good point, though.
> > And now
> > they're suddenly trying to make him sinisterly call in his government
> > favors, after having severed all ties with them about five times.
>
> What's sinister about it? He just didn't want to do it in front of the
> Scoobies.
The fact that he lies about what his doing and hides it from his
friends seems a little, I don't know, sinister.
> Incidentally, the most striking visual of the episode was the copter
> swooping in on the meteor crash site. Quite beautiful.
The big bombastic visual didn't seem to match the tone of the episode,
for me. Part of it probably has to do with my dissatisfaction with
Riley's story so far, though.
-AOQ
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
felt more like annoyed brother to me
sort of buffy is annoyed sibling to dawn
as ben is annoyed sibling to glory
vague disclaimer
<mair_fheal-6E2F0...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> In article <1150839297.8...@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BTR1701 wrote:
> > > In article <9cOdnUL7LPV...@giganews.com>,
> > > Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> > > > > fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> > > > > showing up that tipped me off.
> > > >
> > > > Y'think?
> > >
> > > I just remember wondering at that point if there was some sort of
> > > connection between Ben and Glory...
> >
> > And then we find out here that he's her janitor.
>
> felt more like annoyed brother to me
> sort of buffy is annoyed sibling to dawn
> as ben is annoyed sibling to glory
Or maybe he's her...you know...man-nurse. A sort of "Doctor Silberman"
to Glory's "Sarah Connor" (well, T2 Sarah Connor anyway)
peachy ashie passion
lbh eng onfgneq!
Abj ubj gur oybbql uryy ner jr gb xrrc sebz orvat nyy fcbvyrel jura
lbh jrag naq fgnegrq gung!!!?!
Rowan Hawthorn
> Apteryx wrote:
>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1150777622.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
>>> Another week in the hospital and generally taking care of Joyce, while
>>> Assorted Other Things happen. This episode is much in the vein of
>>> "Shadow" for me. Like its predecessor, it has some good high-drama
>>> scenes involving the Summers clan. Plus its proximate villain is less
>>> silly-looking
>> Um...? Less silly looking than what? George Bush in a tutu? Maybe. Maybe
>> not.
>
> Than the virtual snake in "Shadow." I don't know where Tutu!Bush would
> fit in on that spectrum.
>
And if there are any gods with even a tiny smidgen of compassion for
humankind, I never will...
BTR1701
V fcbvyrq abguvat! V jnf irel pnershy nobhg gung. ;-)
peachy ashie passion
Lbh fcbvyrq abguvat. Lbh whfg ybbfrq gur qbtf. Lbh XABJ ubj jr trg
jvgu gung yvar.
Lbh'ir fgnegrq n pnfpnqr, naq V oynzr lbh!
Apteryx
news:U0Ulg.6579$Za5.2101@trnddc04...
But Joyce is not paranoid schizophrenic. Those that are genuinely mentally
ill seem able to spot that Dawn is not normal whenever they encounter her.
Joyce does so only momentarily when the tumour affects her.
And sane people experience delusions and hallucinations all the time (from
alcohol or other drugs, or simply when dreaming, or more exotically from
mid-brain tumours or experimental stimulation of areas of the brain) but are
aware that it is not reality when it stops. Continuing to believe the
delusion or hallucination is real is pretty much the test for psychosis.
I could believe that Joyce had a delusion so strong that it lingered on in
her mind. And she might be worried enough about that to tell her doctor
about it as a symptom. But not to tell Buffy about it as a fact.
--
Apteryx
Rowan Hawthorn
Fgnegrq jung? Ner lbh fnlvat znlor Ora naq Tybel xabj rnpu bgure fbzrubj?
MBangel10 (Melissa)
> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>
>>> In article <9cOdnUL7LPV...@giganews.com>,
>>> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
>>>>> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
>>>>> showing up that tipped me off.
>>>>
>>>> Y'think?
>>>
>>>
>>> I just remember wondering at that point if there was some sort of
>>> connection between Ben and Glory...
>>
>> lbh eng onfgneq!
>> Abj ubj gur oybbql uryy ner jr gb xrrc sebz orvat nyy fcbvyrel jura
>> lbh jrag naq fgnegrq gung!!!?!
>
> Fgnegrq jung? Ner lbh fnlvat znlor Ora naq Tybel xabj rnpu bgure fbzrubj?
>
James Craine
lili...@gmail.com wrote:
> Apteryx schreef:
>
>
> One easy way to deal with historical inaccuracies, the Buffyverse is
> not our world, it just looks like it a lot. Think about it, this is a
> world where demons live amongst humanity. It stands to reckon that
> there'd be some differences*eg*
>
> Lore
>
Then the show should have been titled "Buffy the Vampire
Slayer in a Strange World".
Rowan Hawthorn
Lrf. Juvpu vf jul V EBG13'q vg.
peachy ashie passion
> "peachy ashie passion" <exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:U0Ulg.6579$Za5.2101@trnddc04...
>
>>Apteryx wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Not me. I mean, you're a mother with a brain tumour that is making you
>>>say and think odd things, and you suddenly have this knowledge, that
>>>comes like truth, that one of your daughters is not your daughter, what
>>>do you do? Tell your other daughter? I can't see it myself. Joyce seems
>>>to be aware enough of her condition to know that her tumour is the likely
>>>source of that "knowledge".
>>
>>
>> I spent the last 9 months working in the mental health department at my
>>local hospital. I will tell you, they never stay quiet about it.
>>
>> Even people who know they have been paranoid schizophrenic for all their
>>lives and KNOW they are prone to delusions and can verbalize that when
>>they were sick before they had this SAME delusion can't quite wrap their
>>heads around the fact that this time it is a delusion too. They are just
>>as utterly convinced of it's reality as they were the first time.
>>
>> I am convinced it is one of the side effects of having delusions and
>>hallucinations, it almost always takes away your ability to doubt it's
>>reality or to stay quiet about it.
>
>
> But Joyce is not paranoid schizophrenic. Those that are genuinely mentally
> ill seem able to spot that Dawn is not normal whenever they encounter her.
> Joyce does so only momentarily when the tumour affects her.
>
Actually, what we are shown is that the people Glory has fed on seem
able to spot that Dawn is not normal. We don't get to see anyone else.
> And sane people experience delusions and hallucinations all the time (from
> alcohol or other drugs, or simply when dreaming, or more exotically from
> mid-brain tumours or experimental stimulation of areas of the brain) but are
> aware that it is not reality when it stops. Continuing to believe the
> delusion or hallucination is real is pretty much the test for psychosis.
>
> I could believe that Joyce had a delusion so strong that it lingered on in
> her mind. And she might be worried enough about that to tell her doctor
> about it as a symptom. But not to tell Buffy about it as a fact.
>
But she was in the grips of the delusion as she said it, so all of
your after the fact stuff is inapplicable.
Besides which, a tumor making her psychotic is not unusual at all.
It's a pretty common side effect of brain tumors.
Apteryx
news:1150794525.6...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Apteryx schreef:
>
>>
>> But intuitive knowledge appears to have replaced research at this point.
>> A
>> few seconds at her computer and Willow has historical evidence and a
>> pattern. But it seems that the writers used the same research technique.
>> Reykjavik was empty farmland until the mid 18th century -
>> http://www.tourist.reykjavik.is/displayer.asp?cat_id=210 - certainly no
>> town
>> in the 12th century for any meteor to land just outside. And "witnesses"
>> to
>> the Tunguska meteor apparently thought it was hollow - but the Tunguska
>> meteor exploded at or just above the surface (scattering pebble debris
>> rather than metal or space ship parts) with a force equivalent to 60
>> Hiroshima A-bombs; the nearest human witnesses (or at least the nearest
>> to
>> survive) were 30 km away.
>>
>
> One easy way to deal with historical inaccuracies, the Buffyverse is
> not our world, it just looks like it a lot. Think about it, this is a
> world where demons live amongst humanity. It stands to reckon that
> there'd be some differences*eg*
It wouldn't make it any better in my mind if I regarded it that way. In
fact, I regard the Buffverse as a separate world only in the sense that
every work of fiction is. Within that world, there is no suggestion that it
is set in some kind of parallel universe, but rather that our world is
somewhat different from what it is supposed to be. But if it were a parallel
universe, it wouldn't help. Towns exist where and when they do for specific
reasons. Locating them at arbitrary places and times is a sign of poor
parallel universe craftsmanship.
And if you let them off with that explanation for factual errors, it negates
any critical consideration of the show. Poor writing or acting? - no, that's
just the way people in that universe react to situations, and the way they
display emotions.
--
Apteryx
One Bit Shy
>
> One Bit Shy wrote:
>> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1150777622.1...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
>> > Back at Casa Summers, their mother's behavior continues to get weird.
>> > The shot of her drifting around in the white gown is pretty striking,
>> > but the rest of the odd-outbursts stuff leaves me kinda cold. You know
>> > how I am about plot mechanisms that aren't really explained. It's
>> > not just instinctive lashing out, there's also stuff like the
>> > "you're disgustingly fat" part - where'd that come from?
>>
>> From a tumor pressing on her brain. I'm puzzled at your puzzlement.
>> She's
>> sick, and one of the symptoms is periodically losing her mind.
>
> This symptom just seems like a weird mix of whatever suits the demands
> of the scene. Sometimes it makes her express frustrations that she
> would've kept to herself, sometimes it provides insights, and that one
> line is the only one I can remember as a completely random meaningless
> outburst.
It's prompted by her notion of making breakfast for her daughters. On a par
with her earlier reaction to what Buffy should do with the exam. I imagine
it was written that way so as to especially hit Buffy, but the free
association is still equivalent to what we see elsewhere.
Have you ever been around someone with a serious brain tumor? They really
can say and act very oddly. I'm sad to say that a friend of mine from work
was very recently diagnosed with one and is undergoing treatment now. In
the months before being diagnosed she very nearly lost her job for the angry
and bizarre outbursts from her.
>> Incidentally, the most striking visual of the episode was the copter
>> swooping in on the meteor crash site. Quite beautiful.
>
> The big bombastic visual didn't seem to match the tone of the episode,
But it does match the return of the military. No matter. I was just
speaking of how lovely the look was. I don't really care a hoot about the
army guys.
OBS
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> MBangel10 (Melissa) wrote:
> > Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
> >> peachy ashie passion wrote:
> >>> BTR1701 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <9cOdnUL7LPV...@giganews.com>,
> >>>> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was the
> >>>>>> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
> >>>>>> showing up that tipped me off.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Y'think?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I just remember wondering at that point if there was some sort of
> >>>> connection between Ben and Glory...
> >>>
> >>> lbh eng onfgneq!
> >>> Abj ubj gur oybbql uryy ner jr gb xrrc sebz orvat nyy fcbvyrel jura
> >>> lbh jrag naq fgnegrq gung!!!?!
> >>
> >> Fgnegrq jung? Ner lbh fnlvat znlor Ora naq Tybel xabj rnpu bgure
> >> fbzrubj?
> >>
> > gung wbxr, frevbhfyl, fubhyq or znqr zhpu shegure qbja gur yvar...
>
> Lrf. Juvpu vf jul V EBG13'q vg.
Vf rirelobql urer fgbarq?
MBangel10 (Melissa)
> MBangel10 (Melissa) wrote:
>> Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
>>> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <9cOdnUL7LPV...@giganews.com>,
>>>>> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Knew there was something unusual going on with Ben. Maybe it was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact that he's a character on _Buffy The Vampire Slayer_ who keeps
>>>>>>> showing up that tipped me off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Y'think?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just remember wondering at that point if there was some sort of
>>>>> connection between Ben and Glory...
>>>>
>>>> lbh eng onfgneq!
>>>> Abj ubj gur oybbql uryy ner jr gb xrrc sebz orvat nyy fcbvyrel jura
>>>> lbh jrag naq fgnegrq gung!!!?!
>>>
>>> Fgnegrq jung? Ner lbh fnlvat znlor Ora naq Tybel xabj rnpu bgure
>>> fbzrubj?
>>>
>> gung wbxr, frevbhfyl, fubhyq or znqr zhpu shegure qbja gur yvar...
>
> Lrf. Juvpu vf jul V EBG13'q vg.
>
One Bit Shy
news:e7a1vm$7en$1...@nntp.aioe.org...
I don't know enough about the workings of psychosis to say one way or the
other. But I would observe that one thing different here is that what Joyce
experienced with Dawn *wasn't* a delusion. Perhaps there was something
about it so different from the delusions she did experience that it stuck
with her for that reason alone.
OBS
George W Harris
<exquisi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
:> But Joyce is not paranoid schizophrenic. Those that are genuinely mentally
:> ill seem able to spot that Dawn is not normal whenever they encounter her.
:> Joyce does so only momentarily when the tumour affects her.
:>
: Actually, what we are shown is that the people Glory has fed on seem
:able to spot that Dawn is not normal. We don't get to see anyone else.
We don't know that the guy in The Real Me was a
Glory happy meal.
--
"The truths of mathematics describe a bright and clear universe,
exquisite and beautiful in its structure, in comparison with
which the physical world is turbid and confused."
-Eulogy for G.H.Hardy
BTR1701
"MBangel10 (Melissa)" <mban...@comcast.net> wrote:
V qvqa'g fcbvy nalguvat. Naq bayl fbzrbar jub unf frra gur eryrinag
rcvfbqr jbhyq rira xabj vg jnf n wbxr.
MBangel10 (Melissa)
> V qvqa'g fnl vg jnf n fcbvyre, V whfg fnvq gung gur wbxr orybatf zhpu yngre va gur
frnfba. V thrff jura V ernq vg, zl svefg ernpgvba jnf srne gung fbzrbar
jbhyq erfcbaq
jvgu n fcbvyre (nf guvf qbrf graq gb unccra yngryl).
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
vague disclaimer <l64o...@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
man nurse in the sexy penthousy way
or man nurse in the pathetic geriatic way?
Mel
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> I have no idea what they're doing with Riley now. His interactions
> with Buffy in the last few episodes were making sense, but nothing here
> is. Still confused on the chilling-with-the-vampire chicks story, even
> knowing that he's not supposed to be thinking rationally. And now
> they're suddenly trying to make him sinisterly call in his government
> favors, after having severed all ties with them about five times. The
> scripts aren't selling his conflict at all for me. Those who believe
> in The Hand Of The Writer may now feel free to start speculating on
> whether we're seeing the beginnings of a calculated character
> poisoning so as to get him out of Spike's way.
After several watchings of Season 5, I think this is what it is.
Riley started out a likeable, if somewhat dull, stand-up guy who
believed in doing the right thing even if he didn't understand why.
At this point, he's not only cheating on Buffy, he's doing it with a
vamp-whore. He's ditching patrol responsibilities that Buffy thinks are
covered and doesn't really seem to care. All he can think about is how
sorry he feels for himself that Buffy's not crying on his shoulder all
the time. You'd think he would have figured out by now, that isn't who
she is.
Naq, gb znxr guvatf rira orggre ol gur gvzr vg'f nyy fnvq naq qbar, ur
fuvsgf nyy gur oynzr sbe uvf qvpxurnqrqarff gb Ohssl orpnhfr fur qbrfa'g
ybir uvz gur jnl ur jnagf gb or ybirq. Jryy, pel zr n sevttva' evire.
V jnf tynq ur yrsg va gur arkg rcvfbqr ohg jnf rkgerzryl cvffrq gung gur
jevgref qrpvqrq gb znxr Ohssl eha nsgre uvz yvxr vg jnf nyy ure snhyg ur
yrsg. Knaqre nyfb trgf artngvir cbvagf sbe rapbhentvat vg va gur svefg
cynpr.
Mel
Rowan Hawthorn
Not yet, but it's sounding better all the time...
Rowan Hawthorn
Bu. Jnfa'g zl cbfg, rvgure, ohg V trg lbh.
Rowan Hawthorn
Naq V whfg ernyvmrq gung V sbetbg gb EBG13 gur cerivbhf cbfg va zl ercyl
gb gur guernq. Arire zvaq. Qnza.
Rowan Hawthorn
You don't think the existence of actual demons in Southern California
should have been a tipoff? How much spoonfeeding to you *want* from a
TV show?
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> James Craine wrote:
> >
> >
> > lili...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Apteryx schreef:
> >>
> >>
> >> One easy way to deal with historical inaccuracies, the Buffyverse is
> >> not our world, it just looks like it a lot. Think about it, this is a
> >> world where demons live amongst humanity. It stands to reckon that
> >> there'd be some differences*eg*
> >>
> >> Lore
> >>
> >
> > Then the show should have been titled "Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a
> > Strange World".
> >
>
> You don't think the existence of actual demons in Southern California
> should have been a tipoff? How much spoonfeeding to you *want* from a
apparently youve never been to southern california
one word
arnold schwarzenegger
Rowan Hawthorn
> In article <9dqdnbnMp7s...@giganews.com>,
> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> James Craine wrote:
>>>
>>> lili...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Apteryx schreef:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One easy way to deal with historical inaccuracies, the Buffyverse is
>>>> not our world, it just looks like it a lot. Think about it, this is a
>>>> world where demons live amongst humanity. It stands to reckon that
>>>> there'd be some differences*eg*
>>>>
>>>> Lore
>>>>
>>> Then the show should have been titled "Buffy the Vampire Slayer in a
>>> Strange World".
>>>
>> You don't think the existence of actual demons in Southern California
>> should have been a tipoff? How much spoonfeeding to you *want* from a
>
> apparently youve never been to southern california
>
> one word
>
> arnold schwarzenegger
<sigh> Good point...
Apteryx
Psychotic symptoms (namely delusions and hallucinations). But it is not
psychiatric psychosis (proper diagnosis of which would require elimination
of potential physical or currently active chemical causes for the symptoms).
And I didn't get the impression that Joyce was still having a psychotic
episode when she spoke to Buffy (and nor seemingly did Buffy - if she had, a
more appropriate response would have been evasion so that if Joyce's tumour
is successfully removed (which would stop those symptoms) she wouldn't think
it odd that Buffy had confirmed what should then appear to her to have been
her psychotic delusion). In her earlier psychotic episodes, she would not
have been lucid enough to carry on a meaningful conversation, even when they
were long enough for that to be a possibility.
--
Apteryx
Apteryx
news:129h5dv...@news.supernews.com...
I think the problem with delusions is that there is no way to distinguish
them from reality intuitively. The test ultimately is whether the
information believed is supported by evidence that the person holding the
belief has seen. We know in this case that it is true, but within the show,
only Buffy knows that. For Joyce, all the actual facts she thinks she knows
should point to this as a delusion, including especially the fact that she
wouldn't remember thinking anything like that about Dawn until she got a
brain tumour, one possible symptom of which is hallucinations and delusions.
--
Apteryx
DysgraphicProgrammer
George W Harris wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:43 -0400, "One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry>
> wrote:
>
> :But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that something
> :nasty is going on?
>
> Perhaps you're fogetting the Sunnydale version of
> Occam's Razor: The more spooky and dangerous
> explanation is usually the correct one. If someone doesn't
> show up for work, is it because a) he's sick or b) he's had
> his head bitten off by a demon?
> --
> "Intelligence is too complex to capture in a single number." -Alfred Binet
>
> George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
I like it. Lets call it Buffy's Razor.
One Bit Shy
Yes, I understand what you're saying, but her vision of Dawn wasn't reality
either. That's not what Dawn looks like to her when she's normal. It's
some kind of magic induced event. And I'm suggesting that may feel unique
to all of her sensibilities - delusional or not. Memorable on its own
terms. By comparison to her delusions, she may recall enough of those to be
able to say this wasn't like that. Enough to take the chance of asking
Buffy anyway. (She does tell Buffy to tell her if she was being crazy.)
OBS
vague disclaimer
Mel <melb...@uci.net> wrote:
Knaqre qvq abguvat bs gur fbeg. Ur whfg rkcynvarq gur pubvpr fur snprq.
vague disclaimer
<mair_fheal-19562...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
I was thinking man-nurse in the 'take your meds Glory' way.
(nygubhtu guvf vf, bs pbhefr, n sbvyre bs bhe vyyhfgevbhf erivrjref
orarsvg, va pnfr nalbar trgf pneevrq njnl. fbzrgvzrf vafvtug jvgu gur
orarsvg bs xabjvat pna or n yvggyr *gbb* xabjvat)
BTR1701
"MBangel10 (Melissa)" <mban...@comcast.net> wrote:
Jryy, V pna bayl or erfcbafvoyr sbe jung V cbfg, abg jung nalbar ryfr
cbfgf.
(Harmony) Watcher
"One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry> wrote in message
>
>
<snip>
>
> I think it's interesting that Joyce doesn't seem worried about Buffy.
It's
> Dawn she's worried about. And she lays that burden smack on Buffy here.
> Makes Buffy swear to it. I suppose the circumstances demanded it - not a
> lot of choice.
>
Agreed. But despite the fact that she told Buffy before that she had
confidence in Buffy ("School Hard":
http://bdb.vrya.net/bdb/clip.php?clip=2726), Joyce had to be worried about
Buffy as well. I think she just didn't want to show it in front of Buffy.
Otherwise it would undermine her request for Buffy to take care of Dawn.
I surmise that Buffy got most of her important values from Joyce. Even in
her serious downtime as "Anne" in LA, Buffy was still able to retain her
personal integrity, compassion, sense of duty and honor. (And some people,
you and I excluded, of course, wondered why Buffy wouldn't just walk away.)
> But Joyce sure does strike deep sometimes. Reminds me of
> her conversation with Angel a couple seasons back, when she let him know
> what his responsibilities were.
>
>
Yes, Joyce's subtle command to Angel to leave her daughter is one of the
most crucial life changing speeches in BtVS. For better or worse, it has
altered her daughter's life forever, indirectly affecting the lives of all
those around her daughter.
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Jeff Jacoby
Abe qbrf ur oynzr ure...
ohssl: Fb guvf vf zl snhyg? Url, trr, Ohssl'f fb zlfgrevbhf,
V guvax V'yy tb bhg naq nyzbfg qvr. V guvax V'yy tb
naq yrg fbzr bgure j...
evyrl: Guvf vfa'g lbhe snhyg. Vg'f zvar. V srry yvxr uryy sbe
jung V'ir chg lbh guebhtu.
naq yngre va gur pbasebagngvba...
ohssl: Jryy, V unir urneq rabhtu. V jvyy abg gnxr gur oynzr sbe guvf.
evyrl: V'z abg nfxvat lbh gb.
Lbh znl abg yvxr be nterr jvgu uvf rkcynangvbaf, ohg ur zbfg
pregnvayl qbrfa'g chg gur oynzr ba Ohssl.
Jeff
peachy ashie passion
> On 20 Jun 2006 02:15:02 -0500, Lord Usher <lord_...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> :
> :Well, only because I never got around to it. I was too busy complaining
> :about the ludicrous way in which the episode treated the mentally ill --
> :"We're out of room, so why don't you take your dangerously psychotic
> :husband home with you!"
>
> That is unrealistic; first they'd try the Trailways
> Treatment (take him to a bus station, buy him a ticket.
> Now he's some other hospital's problem).
Are you kidding?
Spend MONEY and EFFORT on the trailways option when there is a family
member who will take him right now?!?
no way!
peachy ashie passion
Naq pyrneyl V tbg lbh. Gung'f jul V pnyyrq OGE n eng onfgneq. Xarj
ur'q fgnegrq gur punva, orpnhfr jr WHFG PNA'G ERFVFG. Vg'f gbb tbbq.
William George Ferguson
Azh nazg durbatulūk, Azh nazg gimbatul, Azh nazg thrakatulūk, Agh
burzum-ishi krimpatul.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
--
HERBERT
1996 - 1997
Beloved Mascot
Delightful Meal
He fed the Pack
A little
peachy ashie passion
*snort*
You OWE me that sorry all right.
peachy ashie passion
None of which changes that she was actively psychotic, despite it
being physically caused.
The bottom line is, you said you think Joyce would think it was a
delusion so keep it to herself.
I say that in my experience, people who have delusions don't keep them
to themselves.
Even when they have reason to know it's probably a delusion. So even
if she'd had the presence of mind to think that it was likely a
delusion, she was symptomatic enough to reveal it anyway.
Since it wasn't a delusion, it was a true observation, I think the
basic premise is kinda flawed to start.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
my screen just went black and theres a cloud of smoke in my house
Arbitrar Of Quality
DysgraphicProgrammer wrote:
> George W Harris wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:20:43 -0400, "One Bit Shy" <O...@nomail.sorry>
> > wrote:
> >
> > :But why get the whole gang and Riley and have everyone assume that something
> > :nasty is going on?
> >
> > Perhaps you're fogetting the Sunnydale version of
> > Occam's Razor: The more spooky and dangerous
> > explanation is usually the correct one. If someone doesn't
> > show up for work, is it because a) he's sick or b) he's had
> > his head bitten off by a demon?
> I like it. Lets call it Buffy's Razor.
Seconded.
-AOQ
Rowan Hawthorn
Teee, Neeetu!
Rowan Hawthorn
Dumping motherwort tea down the monitor cooling vents can do that...
Rowan Hawthorn
Svir ol svir, C.
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
> > In article <l13j929uc2tl20kug...@4ax.com>,
> > William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>>
> >>> Naq pyrneyl V tbg lbh. Gung'f jul V pnyyrq OGE n eng onfgneq. Xarj
> >>> ur'q fgnegrq gur punva, orpnhfr jr WHFG PNA'G ERFVFG. Vg'f gbb tbbq.
> >> Azh
> >
> > my screen just went black and theres a cloud of smoke in my house
> >
> > arf meow arf - nsa fodder
> > ny dnrqn greebevfz ahpyrne obzo vena gnyvona ovt oebgure
> > if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
>
> Dumping motherwort tea down the monitor cooling vents can do that...
Bugger. I thought that was the cure.
Rowan Hawthorn
Well, yeah, for seeing things on there you don't wanna see. Does a
great job on that (kinda like dumping a beer down the amplifier of the
club guitar player who absolutely refuses to take time to tune. Not
that I would ever do that...)
James Craine
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<l64o...@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
:> Dumping motherwort tea down the monitor cooling vents can do that...
:
:Bugger. I thought that was the cure.
It is, for not being an axe-wielding homocidal maniac.
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Kevin
> Season Five, Episode 9: "Listening To Fear"
>
> Another week in the hospital...
> Assorted Other Things happen...
> a little more of the lifelessness factor...
> a few scenes were very nice, I can't really remember
> what happened otherwise, and have precious little to say about it.
Yes. Bleh. Yawn.
> Episodes like this aren't "bad" so much as "a little bit
> lacking."
Hmmm. Are you sure? Your review seems to try very hard to avoid
giving the ol' Bronx cheer.
OOMM, NPLH, Shadow, and now this. Like you, I've been bored stiff by
Riley, irritated by Glory, perplexed by what Riley is doing and why he
is still here, and unimpressed with repetitive or lifeless or
forgettable scenes. Unlike you, I find it hard to care for the
better-written parts either, and I think some of that is a sense that
the characters are less compelling than they used to be. I'll come
back to that later in the season; I'm more eager than ever to read your
reviews as we move into the upcoming territory.
Soap Opera isn't a very meaningful term without qualification, I know,
but this tumor storyIine feels way too close to "Daytime TV Hospital
Show" for comfort. I *love* Kristine Sutherland as Joyce, throughout
the early seasons (I always thought she and SMG were a lovable, real,
and perfectly matched TV mom & daughter); this story may give more
"meat" to her part than usual, but it's ruining the character for me.
--Kevin
Mel
V'z fher gung'f jul, jura Ohssl nfxrq "Jung qb V qb?" ur fnvq "Eha."
vr eha nsgre uvz naq ort uvz gb fgnl.
Mel
Mel
Jeff Jacoby wrote:
Abg jvgu jbeqf, ohg jvgu npgvbaf.
"Ohssl'f fuhggvat zr bhg fb V'yy tb fbzr cynpr jurer V srry arrqrq."
Abg fbzr cynpr ur VF arrqrq (vr cngebyyvat), ohg jurer ur _srryf_ arrqrq
orpnhfr va uvf zvaq, Ohssl qbrfa'g arrq uvz.
Mel
Don Sample
Mel <melb...@uci.net> wrote:
> > Knaqre qvq abguvat bs gur fbeg. Ur whfg rkcynvarq gur pubvpr fur snprq.
>
>
> V'z fher gung'f jul, jura Ohssl nfxrq "Jung qb V qb?" ur fnvq "Eha."
>
> vr eha nsgre uvz naq ort uvz gb fgnl.
>
Knaqre bayl fnlf gung nsgre ur frrf gung Ohssl unf znqr ure bja qrpvfvba.
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Jeff Jacoby
Zl vagrecergngvba vf gung ur'f unaqyvat vg onqyl (irel onqyl).
Abg gung ur'f chggvat gur oynzr ba ure.
Jeff
vague disclaimer
> >
> > Knaqre qvq abguvat bs gur fbeg. Ur whfg rkcynvarq gur pubvpr fur snprq.
>
>
> V'z fher gung'f jul, jura Ohssl nfxrq "Jung qb V qb?" ur fnvq "Eha."
>
> vr eha nsgre uvz naq ort uvz gb fgnl.
After she made her decision. He was paying attention to the time (AoQ
has seen the relevant ep now - no need for Rot 13).
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> vague disclaimer wrote:
> > In article <EeadneKfEZ1...@giganews.com>,
> > Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote:
> >>> In article <l13j929uc2tl20kug...@4ax.com>,
> >>> William George Ferguson <wmgf...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Naq pyrneyl V tbg lbh. Gung'f jul V pnyyrq OGE n eng onfgneq. Xarj
> >>>>> ur'q fgnegrq gur punva, orpnhfr jr WHFG PNA'G ERFVFG. Vg'f gbb tbbq.
> >>>> Azh
> >>> my screen just went black and theres a cloud of smoke in my house
> >>>
> >>> arf meow arf - nsa fodder
> >>> ny dnrqn greebevfz ahpyrne obzo vena gnyvona ovt oebgure
> >>> if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
> >> Dumping motherwort tea down the monitor cooling vents can do that...
> >
> > Bugger. I thought that was the cure.
>
> Well, yeah, for seeing things on there you don't wanna see. Does a
> great job on that (kinda like dumping a beer down the amplifier of the
> club guitar player who absolutely refuses to take time to tune. Not
> that I would ever do that...)
Sounds like my kinda gig....
drifter
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:55:07 +0100, vague disclaimer
> <l64o...@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
>
>>> Dumping motherwort tea down the monitor cooling vents can do that...
>>
>> Bugger. I thought that was the cure.
>
> It is, for not being an axe-wielding homocidal maniac.
Vyvyan, one of your socks has escaped.
--
Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."