SMG and Susan Lucci how bad did it get on AMC?
Dan Tropea
earlier sending out posts.
An interesting article in www.tvguide.com where Sarah Michelle Geller
talks about her working experience with Susan Lucci. Sadly no real
details were given. Details i am wondering if
anyone knows.
"It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
relationship," says Gellar, who played the vindictive illegitimate
daughter of Lucci's character, Erica Kane, on AMC. "People have these
visions we walked around throwing knives each other. It's real life —
not everyone gets along. That was a lesson I had to learn at that point.
Sometimes two people just shouldn't work together and this is an
instance where we probably shouldn't work together again!" (quote from
today's www.tvguide.com news and gossip
section)
I always thought Susan Lucci would be an easy going actress to work
with. In interviews she seems really nice and down to earth. How bad was
the relationship? I used to watch AMC at the time and thought SMG was a
better actress then Lucci. I was amazed when i found out she was just 16
when she got the role. I thought she was in her 20s.
Was it jealousy that Susan felt towards her? Although maybe SMG winning
an Emmy at 17 didn't help matters.
I had always wanted to see Susan guest star on Buffy as a villian (she
would make a great vampire). I guess this isn't going to happen.
Of course i have to wonder why SMG is even bringing it up after 5 years
of not working together.
edie
Stole the show at every scene. And her winning the Emmy probably didn't
help.
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http://www.tvguide.com/newsgossip/dish/990722a.asp
Sarah Michelle Gellar Has No Love For Lucci
Thursday, July 22, 1999
It's been a while since Sarah Michelle Gellar and Susan Lucci were rival
costars on All My Children, but Gellar still managed to take a swipe or two
at her former colleague while promoting the upcoming season of the WB's
Buffy the Vampire Slayer at a press conference in Pasadena, CA.
"It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
relationship," says Gellar, who played the vindictive illegitimate daughter
of Lucci's character, Erica Kane, on AMC. "People have these visions we
walked around throwing knives each other. It's real life — not everyone gets
along. That was a lesson I had to learn at that point. Sometimes two people
just shouldn't work together and this is an instance where we probably
shouldn't work together again!"
"My reaction [to her winning the Emmy]? I don't really have a say in it! I'm
not qualified to answer because I have not really seen the show in a year.
People always act like we were competing against each other [at the Emmys]."
Note: It took Lucci 19 attempts to win the Emmy, whereas Gellar won the
award at age 17 on her second try.
Gellar also weighed in on TV violence and the recent controversial season
finale of Buffy, which WB temporarily postponed in the wake of the Columbine
High School shootings: "The problem is that so many parents aren't watching
their children. It should be their determination what their children watch
and don't watch [on TV]. I do not want to blame the parents [of the teen
killers] in Columbine, but if my kids were locked in the basement for 36
hours [at a time], I'd want to know what they were doing down there!" —
Jonathan Reiner
Lisa or Jeff
> talks about her working experience with Susan Lucci. Sadly no real
> details were given. Details i am wondering if
> anyone knows.
Why is it "sad" no details were given?
It's none of your business. It was a long time ago and ancient history.
Baba Booey
.>>Was it jealousy that Susan felt towards her? >>
Susan is jealous of anyone who takes her spotlight...
B. Richardson
never-ending questions about her relationship with Lucci. And we also have no
idea what else she said. The press is notorious for out-of-context quotes
designed to make the mundane seem sensational.
Buffy_Giles
Susan Lucci, 2) a Susan Lucci fan, 3) a jealous no-talent, or 4) all of the
above.
Downtown Diva <Emera...@XREMOVEXmindspring.com> wrote in message
news:379a1f0a...@news.mindspring.com...
> It's public knowledge only because the stupid bitch has been repeating
> this tired-ass line to every media outlet ever since she (thankfully)
> left the show.
Nicole
>>"It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
>>relationship," says Gellar,
>
>It's public knowledge only because the stupid bitch has been repeating
>this tired-ass line to every media outlet ever since she (thankfully)
>left the show.
Yes, thank god or else millions of devoted fans would never see SMG for the
beautiful talented actress she is!
As for the rest of the comment, I won't bother to respond to a troll.
Nicole
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Scott Lindstrom
|> My. Your obvious animosity towards SMG makes me think that you are either 1)
|> Susan Lucci, 2) a Susan Lucci fan, 3) a jealous no-talent, or 4) all of the
|> above.
|>
|>
|>
|> > It's public knowledge only because the stupid bitch has been repeating
|> > this tired-ass line to every media outlet ever since she (thankfully)
|> > left the show.
|>
|>
|>
Yeah, admit Leslie. You really are Susan Lucci and you post here because you have
soooo much free time :)
Scott
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netizen "Buffy_Giles" <buffy...@geocities.com> posted the
following in Msg#<Wo%l3.825$Dt2.11...@audrey2.cais.com>:
| My. Your obvious animosity towards SMG makes me
| think that you are either 1) Susan Lucci, 2) a Susan Lucci fan,
| 3) a jealous no-talent, or 4) all of the above.
Of course she's a Susan Lucci fan! What do you expect when
you're reading a thread that has been cross-posted to the
following newsgroups: RAT (rec.arts.tv), ASG
(alt.showbiz.gossip), alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer & RATSa
(rec.arts.tv.soaps.abc) ...
Surprise, surprise, surprise, you've all been taken in by
yet another example of D*n Tropea's creative cross-posting.
Follow-up reset here to RATSa, where I, too, am a Susan
Lucci fan, astounding though that might seem to some.
[mumbling about Kendall Hart ...]
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RayneFire
>of not working together.
SMG doesn't bring it up. She's asked about her relationship with Susan Lucci
in just about every single interview! For awhile she tried saying there was no
problem, but the questions kept coming. So she finally gave up and started
answering it honestly. She doesn't slam Susan Lucci... she just says that they
didn't work well together. It can happen to anyone!
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Ann Daman
----------
In article <7425-379...@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
> This may be a repost i was having problems
> earlier sending out posts.
>
> An interesting article in www.tvguide.com where Sarah Michelle Geller
> talks about her working experience with Susan Lucci. Sadly no real
> details were given. Details i am wondering if
> anyone knows.
>
> "It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
> relationship," says Gellar, who played the vindictive illegitimate
> daughter of Lucci's character, Erica Kane, on AMC. "People have these
> visions we walked around throwing knives each other. It's real life —
> not everyone gets along. That was a lesson I had to learn at that point.
> Sometimes two people just shouldn't work together and this is an
> instance where we probably shouldn't work together again!" (quote from
> today's www.tvguide.com news and gossip
> section)
>
This stuff has been going around since the days when SMG was on the show.
Bottom line, I think it was just a clash of strong personalities. And from
what I've heard, SMG is not that easy to get along with. My brother was at
a comic book convention the first year Buffy came out. They had Joss
Wheadon, the creator/producer of the show and three of the main characters.
SMG was noticeably absent. These people left a long day of shooting to come
down to San Diego to promote their new show. And the star didn't show up.
When asked about their costar, the other people were polite but not glowing.
Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
much of a star as SMG.
Don't get me wrong. I loved (or loved to hate, sometimes) Kendall and Buffy
is my favorite show on TV, but I think personally SMG has a lot of growing
up to do.
Just my humble opinion.
Ann
Illyana Rasputin
Ann Daman wrote:
>
> Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
> for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
> shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
> much of a star as SMG.
>
Another example of the SMG's attitude was a music video that the WB did
to promote a bunch of the shows. I think the main one's were: Felicity,
Dawson's Creek, Buffy, and 7th Heaven. All the main stars of the shows
were there but the noticably absent Sarah Michelle Gellar. The only sign
of her existing was the big blown up picture of her that they showed
once in the entire video. Rumor has it that she refused to show up. I
could understand if she had a movie to work on or something like that,
but who would want to pass up an afternoon of fun with other actors?
Answering my own question, she would.
Illyana
who can now come out of the closet and say she was a huge Kendall fan
back in the day.
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<tro...@webtv.net> wrote:
> It was an interesting article Donna and on-topic in all
> 4 groups.
But followups should have been sent to alt.showbiz.gossip (the most
on-topic group)... >:/
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with her for about half an hour. I came away with the impression of an
extremely bright, personable and intelligent young woman. She came across as a
truly nice and genuine person. Granted no one can accurately assess someone
else's personality based on a half hour conversation, but I have a favorable
impression of her nevertheless.
Ann Daman wrote:
> Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
> for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
> shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
> much of a star as SMG.
>
Otha Stubblefield
deigned to base SMG's character on opting out on the creation of WB
promotional material.
B. Richardson <btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3798DBCD...@ix.netcom.com...
> Funny, I met Sarah Gellar about 3 months ago, and had the opportunity to
chat
> with her for about half an hour. I came away with the impression of an
> extremely bright, personable and intelligent young woman. She came across
as a
> truly nice and genuine person. Granted no one can accurately assess
someone
> else's personality based on a half hour conversation, but I have a
favorable
> impression of her nevertheless.
>
> Ann Daman wrote:
>
> > ----------
> > In article <7425-379...@newsd-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
> > tro...@webtv.net (Dan Tropea) wrote:
> >
> > > This may be a repost i was having problems
> > > earlier sending out posts.
> > >
> > > An interesting article in www.tvguide.com where Sarah Michelle Geller
> > > talks about her working experience with Susan Lucci. Sadly no real
> > > details were given. Details i am wondering if
> > > anyone knows.
> > >
> > > "It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
> > > relationship," says Gellar, who played the vindictive illegitimate
> > > daughter of Lucci's character, Erica Kane, on AMC. "People have these
Jeremy
>> She upstaged Lucci. Was a better actress. Or maybe just more
>> hysterical. Stole the show at every scene. And her winning the Emmy
>> probably didn't help.
>
> Or maybe SMG is just a big BITCH.
Or maybe both. :)
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>>> My. Your obvious animosity towards SMG makes me think that you are
>>> either 1) Susan Lucci, 2) a Susan Lucci fan, 3) a jealous no-talent,
>>> or 4) all of the above.
>
> Yeah, admit Leslie. You really are Susan Lucci and you post here
> because you have soooo much free time :)
Having met Leslie, I can confirm that she is indeed Susan Lucci. We
were trying to keep it a secret, but I guess the cat's out of the bag.
Sorry, Leslie -- er, Susan.
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> As Hillary Clinton keeps ripping off the taxpayers to fund her
> frequent campaign jaunts to New York on Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:11:06
> -0400, edie <tue...@banet.net> uttered:
>
> >She upstaged Lucci. Was a better actress. Or maybe just more hysterical.
> >Stole the show at every scene. And her winning the Emmy probably didn't
> >help.
> >
>
> Or maybe SMG is just a big BITCH.
SMG is little, so you're 0 for 2. }:)
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Matthew R. Sommer
Tom Breton wrote:
>
> Illyana Rasputin <ill...@NoSpamhome.com> writes:
>
> > Another example of the SMG's attitude was a music video that the WB did
> > to promote a bunch of the shows. I think the main one's were: Felicity,
> > Dawson's Creek, Buffy, and 7th Heaven. All the main stars of the shows
> > were there but the noticably absent Sarah Michelle Gellar. The only sign
> > of her existing was the big blown up picture of her that they showed
> > once in the entire video. Rumor has it that she refused to show up.
>
> I'm sure she did refuse. You see, what the Buffy ng knows that you
> don't is that last time she did promos for the WB, she reportedly said
> she didn't want to do that any more. So, surprise, this time she
> didn't. How is that a criticism of SMG?
Well, it's certainly her choice to promote or not promote her own
show, i suppose. I don't think anyone is arguing right of choice
here. the problem as I see it is one of PR... How does it look to
have been made a big star by this show, and then basically say "i
won't give anything back" or "I won't do anything to thank the fans
who've made me a star by supporting the show"? Some people may argue
she wouldn't even have a movie career if it weren't for BTVS, while
others might say that she doesn't "owe" anyone anything. Both points
of view have a place. While skipping conventions or such may not seem
like a big deal, it does generate negative vibes/buzz about you among
the very people who you're trying to attract. Right or wrong, not
making at least a token effort leads to bad feelings which may lead to
someone, or lots of someones, deciding not to watch your show based on
the fact that the star "is a primadona", etc.
Personally, I don't really care what she does, as long as BTVS remains
an entertaining program. I think the best lesson I learned over the
years is to seperate the star from the role they play. I may think
David Duchovney is an insufferable prat, but i still enjoy the
X-Files. This same thing applies also to authors, musicians, or any
other creative people. sometimes it's best just to not dig too deeply
& enjoy the work on it's own merits.
Matthew R. Sommer
I wrote this:
>>Personally, I don't really care what she does, as long as BTVS remains
>>an entertaining program. I think the best lesson I learned over the
>>years is to seperate the star from the role they play. I may think
>>David Duchovney is an insufferable prat, but i still enjoy the
>>X-Files. This same thing applies also to authors, musicians, or any
>>other creative people. sometimes it's best just to not dig too deeply
>>& enjoy the work on it's own merits.
and then, Lisa or Jeff wrote this:
>
> Really? Your post seems to imply otherwise--you seem to suggest
> that SMG has an obligation to change.
You might want to actually READ my post again.
I don't care either way what SMG does or doesn't do with herself.
The thread I quoted had one poster complaining she wasn't in promo
ads, and another defending her for not being in them. MY comments, in
the last post, were outlining possible scenarios of what can happen if
you choose one path versus another.
DOES not being in ads and not going to cons cause bad vibes among some
people? well, it obviously *does*, seeing as we have people on this
thread complaining about her not being in them. Others, such as
yourself/selves, seem not to be bothered by it. Again, do I really
care? no, not at all. And you're right, no one but the hardcore fan
is going to notice or obsess over this stuff anyway. But, if an actor
or actress upsets enough hardcore fans, you never know what might
happen.
We reap what we sow, as one of those religious books says somewhere...
razz
> sco...@sweetpea.ssec.wisc.edu (Scott Lindstrom) uttered:
>
> >Some newbie named "Buffy_Giles" <buffy...@geocities.com> writes:
> >|> My. Your obvious animosity towards SMG makes me think that you are either 1)
> >|> Susan Lucci, 2) a Susan Lucci fan, 3) a jealous no-talent, or 4) all of the
> >|> above.
> >|>
> >Yeah, admit Leslie. You really are Susan Lucci and you post here because you have
>
> >soooo much free time :)
>
> Yep, you got me, Scott. Not only am I Susan Lucci, but I'm also my own
> fan. Sheesh.
Ahah! At last I understand your bitterness. It's the result of missing out on the
soap Emmy so many times.
Razz - I'm always here for you, Snarks
M. Bronstein
> This stuff has been going around since the days when SMG was on the show.
> Bottom line, I think it was just a clash of strong personalities.
Maybe so. It's very strange though--while fans generally like Susan
Lucci
a lot (as I do), her colleagues seem to consistently dislike her.
I used to be a big fan of AMC and actually went to some personal
appearances and have read a lot of interviews with cast members.
And those folks clearly couldn't stand her. They're very tactful
about it of course, and very professional; but they still manage
to make themselves clear on the subject. It's not just SMG.
Yet in every single fan account I've ever heard of
Lucci she's tremendously gracious and kind and classy. Very strange.
Anyway, I've never met either but I like both Lucci and SMG very much.
No taking sides for me. :)
> And from
> what I've heard, SMG is not that easy to get along with. My brother was at
> a comic book convention the first year Buffy came out. They had Joss
> Wheadon, the creator/producer of the show and three of the main characters.
> SMG was noticeably absent. These people left a long day of shooting to come
> down to San Diego to promote their new show. And the star didn't show up.
> When asked about their costar, the other people were polite but not glowing.
>...
> Just my humble opinion.
>
> Ann
SMG is well known to avoid fan stuff like that, but I never took
it as any indication that she's difficult or aloof. Just as
an indication that she's an individual with individual preferences
and doesn't seem to like this kind of activity. She really strikes
me as a rather dignified intelligent woman who's not too full of
herself.
Just my HO too of course.
Myra
Tom Breton
> The article is listed below. I like her, but, can't she afford a publicist
> to teach her how to express herself without making "press candy"? Peg
She didn't say anything I would fault her for.
Tom Breton
> Ann Daman wrote:
> >
> > Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
> > for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
> > shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
> > much of a star as SMG.
> >
> Another example of the SMG's attitude was a music video that the WB did
> to promote a bunch of the shows. I think the main one's were: Felicity,
> Dawson's Creek, Buffy, and 7th Heaven. All the main stars of the shows
> were there but the noticably absent Sarah Michelle Gellar. The only sign
> of her existing was the big blown up picture of her that they showed
> once in the entire video. Rumor has it that she refused to show up.
I'm sure she did refuse. You see, what the Buffy ng knows that you
don't is that last time she did promos for the WB, she reportedly said
she didn't want to do that any more. So, surprise, this time she
didn't. How is that a criticism of SMG?
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in all 4 NGs & of interest to him ...
| But followups should have been sent to alt.showbiz.gossip (the most
| on-topic group)... >:/
He doesn't like follow-ups. It would seem that appropriate
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> In article <9327456...@www.remarq.com>, Dan Tropea
> <tro...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > It was an interesting article Donna and on-topic in all
> > 4 groups.
> But followups should have been sent to alt.showbiz.gossip (the most
> on-topic group)... >:/
But what would Dan do without his cross-posting?
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razz
> As Hillary Clinton keeps ripping off the taxpayers to fund her
> frequent campaign jaunts to New York on Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:03:07
> +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> uttered:
> Razz, JFO.
That's it, baby! Talk dirty to me!
Razz - but, I know you want me anyway
Dan Tropea
of the lead actors on Buffy make it off-topic?
I think a good portion of posts involve what the
lead actors do outside their roles. if you attack
me you need to attack every other poster who
posts anything SMG or any other actors related that is not about Buffy.
I don't live in Watertown so i don't know how the weather is there.
jennifer allee
promo stuff has tended to be terribly tacky - Dancing Frog singing "dubba
dubba"? Please...and my local station continues to show that old stuff...even
making a new Seinfeld/Friends rerun commercial with that frog. sheesh.
jennifer
Otha Stubblefield wrote:
> > > This stuff has been going around since the days when SMG was on the
> show.
> > > Bottom line, I think it was just a clash of strong personalities. And
> from
> > > what I've heard, SMG is not that easy to get along with. My brother was
> at
> > > a comic book convention the first year Buffy came out. They had Joss
> > > Wheadon, the creator/producer of the show and three of the main
> characters.
> > > SMG was noticeably absent. These people left a long day of shooting to
> come
> > > down to San Diego to promote their new show. And the star didn't show
> up.
> > > When asked about their costar, the other people were polite but not
> glowing.
> > >
> > > Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the
> WB
> > > for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy
> teen
> > > shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least
> as
> > > much of a star as SMG.
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong. I loved (or loved to hate, sometimes) Kendall and
> Buffy
> > > is my favorite show on TV, but I think personally SMG has a lot of
> growing
> > > up to do.
> > >
> > > Just my humble opinion.
> > >
> > > Ann
> >
Lisa or Jeff
> show, i suppose. I don't think anyone is arguing right of choice
> here. the problem as I see it is one of PR... How does it look to
> have been made a big star by this show, and then basically say "i
> won't give anything back" or "I won't do anything to thank the fans
> who've made me a star by supporting the show"?
I disagree.
First, SMG in fact DOES promote the show extensively. She's done
numerous interviews for print and electronic media, and has
appeared in show promotions. In fact, see my separate post on a
recent interview.
As to your question "how does it look...", it doesn't 'look like'
anything at all. If doesn't do promotions, she'll simply have a
lower profile. It is not an issue of "giving something back"
or "thanking the fans" at all.
The ONLY thing she owes her fans is to show up for work and do
a good job. Which she has been doing all along. Wanting her
privacy is absolutely NOT a PR issue whatsoever.
> Some people may argue
> she wouldn't even have a movie career if it weren't for BTVS, while
> others might say that she doesn't "owe" anyone anything.
The two arguemnts are independent and irrelevent.
> While skipping conventions or such may not seem
> like a big deal, it does generate negative vibes/buzz about you among
> the very people who you're trying to attract.
WHAT negative buzz? The show is loved by critics and by its
FOUR MILLION viewers. Skipping or attending a convention is not
going to make a difference.
> Right or wrong, not
> making at least a token effort leads to bad feelings which may lead to
> someone, or lots of someones, deciding not to watch your show based on
> the fact that the star "is a primadona", etc.
~~~~~~~~
So are you now saying it is a "fact" SMG is a primadona?
You must remember that TV and film are mass media. The average
viewer could care less about who SMG is, her personal life, her
personality, her publicity, or fan relations. Throughout Hollywood
history there have been many greatly successful actors who have been
complete SOB's offscreen and it didn't hurt them one bit.
The public could care less.
> Personally, I don't really care what she does, as long as BTVS remains
> an entertaining program.
Really? Your post seems to imply otherwise--you seem to suggest
razz
> +1000, razz <ra...@dis.net.au> uttered:
>
> >> Razz, JFO.
> >
> >That's it, baby! Talk dirty to me!
> >
> >Razz - but, I know you want me anyway
>
> About as much as I'd want his harpy shrew of a "wife" to be my
> Senator.
Yeah, but it's going to happen anyway. Just like you and me!
Razz - aren't you protesting just a little too much
Lisa or Jeff
I read it carefully and it I didn't agree with it. Here's why:
> I don't care either way what SMG does or doesn't do with herself.
> The thread I quoted had one poster complaining she wasn't in promo
> ads, and another defending her for not being in them. MY comments, in
> the last post, were outlining possible scenarios of what can happen if
> you choose one path versus another.
My objection to your prior post was that you spent most of it coming
up with reasons to justify the complaint of not being in the ads. You used
the term "some people might feel...". My feeling is you should let those
"some people" do their own arguing.
> DOES not being in ads and not going to cons cause bad vibes among some
> people?
Once again, let those "some people" do their own arguing if you
don't agree with them.
Mayan rain
>don't agree with them.
Are you saying that it's wrong to consider both sides of an argument when
defending your side? That's very... open-minded of you.
maya
Lisa or Jeff
> defending your side? That's very... open-minded of you.
The post I responded to, IMHO, contained most of its space on the
opposite side and about one sentence on his side. He gave lots
of reasons criticising SMG, but then says, almost as an afterthought,
"well I don't care what she does".
Further in this post he used the phrase "the fact that she's a prima
donna" also troubled me.
To me it seemed very inconsistent.
George Avalos
No, I won't attack them. Just you. Since you're the troll-meister. Darkly
clever. Very darkly clever. But a troll-meister nonetheless.
--George
Mac Breck
M. Bronstein wrote in message <37992C06...@home.com>...
>SMG is well known to avoid fan stuff like that, but I never took
>it as any indication that she's difficult or aloof. Just as
>an indication that she's an individual with individual preferences
>and doesn't seem to like this kind of activity.
So SMG doesn't do conventions at all?
Mac
Mac Breck
Matthew R. Sommer wrote in message <7nd0ui$a...@newsops.execpc.com>...
snip
>I think the best lesson I learned over the
>years is to seperate the star from the role they play. I may think
>David Duchovney is an insufferable prat, but i still enjoy the
>X-Files.
I wish I could do this. I once met Brent Spiner from STNG, and then never
cared to see STNG again.
Mac
Mad Hamish
wrote:
>
>
>Ann Daman wrote:
>>
>> Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
>> for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
>> shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
>> much of a star as SMG.
>>
>Another example of the SMG's attitude was a music video that the WB did
>to promote a bunch of the shows. I think the main one's were: Felicity,
>Dawson's Creek, Buffy, and 7th Heaven. All the main stars of the shows
>were there but the noticably absent Sarah Michelle Gellar. The only sign
>of her existing was the big blown up picture of her that they showed
>once in the entire video. Rumor has it that she refused to show up.
"Rumour has it"
Rumour has it means nothing. In any case even if she did refuse to show up maybe
she had a valid reason?
Maybe she was sick, maybe she'd made a commitment to meet someone before being
told about the video shoot and couldn't cancel it.
Maybe she hated the promotion idea, maybe she was working hard learning her
script, maybe she had to travel for an interview...
> I
>could understand if she had a movie to work on or something like that,
>but who would want to pass up an afternoon of fun with other actors?
Actors come in all shapes, sizes and personalities just like everyone else.
Maybe she'd doesn't get on with the actors who were there, maybe she'd arranged
to meet other actors who were only in town for a day, maybe she had a family
commitment...
>Answering my own question, she would.
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Hamish Laws
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Mad Hamish
>> This may be a repost i was having problems
>> earlier sending out posts.
>>
>> An interesting article in www.tvguide.com where Sarah Michelle Geller
>> talks about her working experience with Susan Lucci. Sadly no real
>> details were given. Details i am wondering if
>> anyone knows.
>>
>> "It's public knowledge that we didn't have the easiest working
>> relationship," says Gellar, who played the vindictive illegitimate
>> daughter of Lucci's character, Erica Kane, on AMC. "People have these
>> not everyone gets along. That was a lesson I had to learn at that point.
>> Sometimes two people just shouldn't work together and this is an
>> instance where we probably shouldn't work together again!" (quote from
>> today's www.tvguide.com news and gossip
>> section)
>>
>
>This stuff has been going around since the days when SMG was on the show.
>Bottom line, I think it was just a clash of strong personalities.
Maybe, although you've got to wonder somewhat about a veteran who starts
hassling a 16 year old (? on age)
> And from what I've heard, SMG is not that easy to get along with.
From what I've heard she's a professional.
> My brother was at
>a comic book convention the first year Buffy came out. They had Joss
>Wheadon, the creator/producer of the show and three of the main characters.
>SMG was noticeably absent. These people left a long day of shooting to come
>down to San Diego to promote their new show. And the star didn't show up.
Which might have something to do with SMG having a heavier shooting schedule,
maybe she was the only person who was needed on the set that day...
Or maybe SMG had just had a bad run in with a fan....
>When asked about their costar, the other people were polite but not glowing.
Which covers such a wide range of possible behaviours and motivations for them
that nothing can be concluded.
Everyone from Buffy has been quoted as pretty praising of her at various
times...the people from Cruel Intentions have also been pretty satisfied in the
couple of interviews that I've seen.
>
>Another recent example of SMG's attitude was a commercial I saw on the WB
>for their shows. Every single cast member of their lineup of dreamy teen
>shows was there, except SMG. Even James Van der Beek, who is at least as
>much of a star as SMG.
But may not have had the workload at the time, or maybe SMG was ill....
>
>Don't get me wrong. I loved (or loved to hate, sometimes) Kendall and Buffy
>is my favorite show on TV, but I think personally SMG has a lot of growing
>up to do.
Yeah, make that judgement knowing nothing about her.
Matthew R. Sommer
Ha... yes, this is exactly what i'm talking about... I've heard Spiner
was "difficult", but I purposefully try not to read any personal
information about actors on shows i watch, but sometimes you can;t
help it. The problem with Duchovney is, whis whole past year he was
ragging on the X-Files to anyone with a tape recorder who would listen
to him... how its a trap for him, how the show is bascially crap but
*he* makes it believeable, etc. And while I said I still enjoy him in
the show, i gotta say, its a real battle sometimes.
I dont know how i got to be some kind of instigator in this thread,
but seriously, i don't follow or really know anything about SMG and
her personal life off the show. But I do notice things like the San
Diego comicon, where the entire cast plus Joss shows up and she's not
there. Is it her choice? sure. is she obligated? no, of course not.
Does it make me like the show less? not really. But it does make me
think a little more fondly of the ones who *do* make the effort. Even
so, it's more of a "well, its too bad" kinda thing than a "she's a
stuck up *bleep*" kinda thing. i dont know her, so how can i judge
her? I can't and i'm not trying to.
just my $0.02 worth of observation. please don't read any deeper than
that.
Frank Swarbrick
news:qMWm3.151$pg4....@typ11.nn.bcandid.com...
>
> Matthew R. Sommer wrote in message <7nd0ui$a...@newsops.execpc.com>...
>
> snip
>
> >I think the best lesson I learned over the
> >years is to seperate the star from the role they play. I may think
> >David Duchovney is an insufferable prat, but i still enjoy the
> >X-Files.
>
> I wish I could do this. I once met Brent Spiner from STNG, and then never
> cared to see STNG again.
Hmm, well I never "met" him, but I saw Spiner at a convention and I thought
he was hilarious, and great fun. What was your problem with him?
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Mac Breck
It's hard to put into words, but it was like he's above you, your boss,
somebody who cranks up their office chair so they can tower over the person
on the other side of their desk, not a team player, not one somebody who
would chip in and help. It was like he didn't want to be associated with us
lowly fans, and we should be honored to be in his presence. It was like he
didn't want to be there, and we were taking up his time. He was my favorite
character, and then I find out I can't stand the actor. Now I can't watch
the character, without remembering that crummy convention experience. On
the other side of the spectrum, we have Michael Dorn, James Doohan, Mira
Furlan (Delenn from Babylon 5), and Pat Tallman (Lyta from Babylon 5), all
of which were very personable and friendly. I couldn't believe how many
autographs Michael signed! They all talked to the fans like they were real
people, not some big star. Pat is the first woman I've ever met who is both
drop-dead gorgeous and a down to earth, nice person. Usually, the two don't
go together.
Mac
Frank Swarbrick wrote in message <7njc3t$9hd$1...@nntp3.atl.mindspring.net>...
Rianne S
<ma...@execpc.com> writes:
> I wish I could do this. I once met Brent Spiner from STNG, and then never
>> cared to see STNG again.
Although this has become Off-Topic, I did want to say in Mr. Spiner's defense
that he came very late to the convention circuit, and then only after being
begged and *guarded*. He had received several threats on his live, and was,
initialy, quite reasonably afraid to appear at conventions. This could
certainly explain why he came across badly in person. I had the pleasure of
attending his first convention appearance, and it was delightful to watch him
visibly relax as the Performer in him warmed to his audience.
I think that this is likely to be part of the cause whenever people meet a
celebrity - especially if the person in question is not expecting to have to
be 'on'. (Thinking of past posts about Sarah's varying level of enthusiasm in
meeting fans.) *We* know that we're friendly, but if someone isn't expecting
it, even someone coming up and saying, "Oh hi! I love your work!" can feel
like having a strange Great Dane jump into your lap.
I seem to have run on - That last latte may have been a mistake. :)
Rianne Stewart
Matthew R. Sommer
Rianne S wrote:
>
> In article <7nja55$j...@newsops.execpc.com>, "Matthew R. Sommer"
> <ma...@execpc.com> writes:
>
> > I wish I could do this. I once met Brent Spiner from STNG, and then never
> >> cared to see STNG again.
Yes, it is a bit off topic... but i just wanted to say I DIDN'T WRITE
THIS! This was from a post by MAC BRECK. I don't need legions of
Spiner fans hunting me down as well... send them Mac's way! :-)
gROVer
really often misunderstood. I mean, Spiner could be real jerk, I have no
idea. But I'm in a semi-successful band, and I get people coming up to
me all the time when I just don't feel like it at all. I mean, not
everyone who is a performer is naturally a "people-person", and that can
come off very often as being stuck up. I've been called that before, and
honestly it really hurts cause I really make such a hug effort to be as
personable as possible, and then hearing that just makes you not want to
even try. Shy celebrities come off many times as being stuck up. Or
private ones too. I dunno, maybe he had a headache at the time...or
maybe he is a stuck up jerk. I guess I'm just trying to say that you
might want to think of how you might react to someone you've never met
before coming up to you and acting like they know you. Because you
don't. And even having met him, you still don't know him. I think the
great dane analogy is a great one, cause that really is what it's like
often times, and even more so if that person is HUMBLE.
gR...@gone.on.too.long
@but.has.been.there
> In article <7nja55$j...@newsops.execpc.com>, "Matthew R. Sommer"
> <ma...@execpc.com> writes:
>
>> I wish I could do this. I once met Brent Spiner from STNG, and then never
>>> cared to see STNG again.
>