Giles is an idiot
Panokko
he supposed to be a watcher??? Why isn't he actively watching his slayer
instead of playing babysitter to ex-evil willow? His slacking in season 4
annoyed me a little, but at least he was around when his slayer needed him
(even though it was less often). In season 5 i felt he was on the road to
redemption when the COW was made to reinstate him. I really blame him for
leaving in season 6: he was grossly neglecting his duty. The COW must be in
serious trouble for not disciplinning him. His considerations that Buffy
should grow up have nothing to do with the fact that she IS the slayer and
he is her watcher. And what do we see at the beginning of season 7? He is
playing watcher to WILLOW.
Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
Mark
--
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere"
Algomeysa
news:Xns929584F53A92...@24.132.65.12...
> Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
And stop pussyfooting around with that neighbor you have coffee with and
have sex with her already!
oh, wrong Anthony Stewart Head role.... (:
incubus
> I grow more and more annoyed with Rupert Giles ever since season 4. Isn't
> he supposed to be a watcher??? Why isn't he actively watching his slayer
> instead of playing babysitter to ex-evil willow? His slacking in season 4
> annoyed me a little, but at least he was around when his slayer needed him
> (even though it was less often). In season 5 i felt he was on the road to
> redemption when the COW was made to reinstate him. I really blame him for
> leaving in season 6: he was grossly neglecting his duty. The COW must be
> in serious trouble for not disciplinning him. His considerations that
> Buffy should grow up have nothing to do with the fact that she IS the
> slayer and he is her watcher. And what do we see at the beginning of
> season 7? He is playing watcher to WILLOW.
he didn't watch her so much in season 4 because he got sacked in season 3.
hence he had to find a way to earn an income or starve to death. in season
6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to perform adueqately.
Panokko
news:NRCk9.486$y44.76202@newsfep2-gui:
> in season 6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to
> perform adueqately.
>
>
This is the reason the COW sacked him in season 3, but he stuck around
then, and did an reasonable job watcherwise even without the pay. He was
wrong to leave in season 6 and he is wrong to have left again with willow.
Peter Meilinger
>he didn't watch her so much in season 4 because he got sacked in season 3.
>hence he had to find a way to earn an income or starve to death.
Except he didn't get a job in season four. He waited until season five,
and at no time did we get any indication that he was in any financial
trouble.
> in season
>6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to perform adueqately.
Because if there's one thing we've learned over the course of six
seasons of Buffy, it's that people who truly care about the Slayer
are absolutely useless when it comes to helping her save the world.
Pete
Victoria
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omigosh, that was him!!! I totally forgot about those commercials!!
I knew I recognized him from somewhere :-)
Chelsea Christenson
> I grow more and more annoyed with Rupert Giles ever since season 4. Isn't
> he supposed to be a watcher???
Buffy has pretty much graduated from the traditional Slayer/Watcher
relationship.
Peter Meilinger
But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
Besides, Giles rocks. More Giles can only be of the good.
Pete
Peter Meilinger
>On 26 Sep 2002 13:53:16 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>Because if there's one thing we've learned over the course of six
>>seasons of Buffy, it's that people who truly care about the Slayer
>>are absolutely useless when it comes to helping her save the world.
>Really?
Well, no. I was trying for sarcasm.
Pete
Peter Meilinger
>On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
>>as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
>>time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
>Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
>responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
as more than a little dumb.
And as far as being a grown woman goes, she's what, 22 years old?
I'm 31 (hold on... yeah, 31) and believe me, I still benefit
greatly from having my parents around for advice and support.
If the closest thing I had left to a parent figure told me at
22 that he was leaving because I had to face life alone, I'd
have known even at that tender age that he was being an idiot.
If a child, or protege, or whatever is relying too heavily on
the parent/mentor figure, there are more options available to
the adult than stay and let the child continue the unhealthy
dependence or cut them completely loose and leave. There's
a whole spectrum of choices Giles could have made that wouldn't
have made Buffy feel completely abandoned mere days after she
announced under the effects of a truth spell that she'd have
preferred it if the gang had never brought her back to life.
I've really had a hard time trying to grasp the supposed logic
the writers want us to accept on that one. "Well, Buffy is most
likely going to be called on to save the whole world pretty
soon, just like she always does, and at the moment she seems
to be about two steps away from actively suicidal. Yup, time
for me to cut her off and hie my way back to jollly old England."
>We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
>forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
>death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
And all the other Slayers we've seen or heard about have been
killed in battle. That's not such great evidence for the "Slayers
don't need permanent Watchers" theory, is it?
Personally, I don't see why the hell the Watcher's Council doesn't
field an entire team of highly-trained and well-equipped commandos
to back up every active Slayer. But that's as much a convention of
the genre as it is a necessity for the kind of show Joss and his
crew want to present, so I can cut them some slack there.
Pete
Hunter
Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com says...
In general I agree with you. But Willow needs Giles far more than Buffy
now. Yes he neglected his duty as both a Watcher and surragate father to
Buffy, especially after she was ressurected and was clearly desplaying
emotional problems. But now she is largely over it and it is Willow who
needs to be supported. Willow is potentially far more dangerous than
Buffy ever will be. No, Giles is right where he supposed to be, for
Willow's sake and the World's.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Hunter
ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:40:27 GMT, Panokko <Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >incubus <inc...@spawnofsatan.com> wrote in
> >news:NRCk9.486$y44.76202@newsfep2-gui:
> >
> >
> >> in season 6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to
> >> perform adueqately.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >This is the reason the COW sacked him in season 3, but he stuck around
> >then, and did an reasonable job watcherwise even without the pay. He was
> >wrong to leave in season 6 and he is wrong to have left again with willow.
> >
> >Mark
>
> responsibilities seriously, and it was stifling her growth. Buffy is a
> big girl now and she doesn't actually need him in the slightest,
> except as a security blanket.
>
---
She was just ressurected. She needed him more than ever.
Darwin Fish
Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 26 Sep 2002 13:53:16 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Because if there's one thing we've learned over the course of six
> >seasons of Buffy, it's that people who truly care about the Slayer
> >are absolutely useless when it comes to helping her save the world.
>
> Really?
>
> S1 - Xander saves her life, and the gang help her defeat the master.
> S2 - Willow returns Angel's soul, and everyone buckles down to help
> her save the world.
> S3 - Dozens of people help her save the world.
> S4 - Xander, Giles, and Willow do a mind meld type thing, to help
> buffy save the world.
> S5 - the gang are able to help her save the world.
> S6 - Xander saves the world, with spike's help. Buffy didn't actually
> have much to do with it.
>
How did Spike help Xander save the world in S6? He was in Africa at the
time....
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Hunter
ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> >Chelsea Christenson <Chelsea.C...@oracle.com> wrote:
> >>Panokko wrote:
> >
> >>> I grow more and more annoyed with Rupert Giles ever since season 4. Isn't
> >>> he supposed to be a watcher???
> >
> >>Buffy has pretty much graduated from the traditional Slayer/Watcher
> >>relationship.
> >
> >But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
> >as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
> >time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
>
> responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
No, her life went into a slide because she suffered from Clinical
Depression brought on by her ressurection and being ripped from paradise,
not to mention having to dig youself out of your own grave. It is a
wonder BTW that you can go from being naive jailbait (according to some)
and calling Angel a cad for taking advantage of a "little girl" who
cam't handle sex to a "grown woman" who should be able to handle
returning from heaven like it was a trip to the supermarket just three
years. :-\ Give her a break A trauma like that would throw a 50 year old
for a loop much less a 20 year old.
>
> We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
> forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
> death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
>
>
----
N
UN
"Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message
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> Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> >>But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
> >>as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
> >>time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
>
> >Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> >responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
>
> She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
> The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
> from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
> as more than a little dumb.
Yep, chalk it up to dumb writing. Joss and Marti are the real idiots here.
They should have set up a family emergency in England for Giles and then
done the set up for Ripper off that. No need for abandonment or the Slayer
to come along to England. Show him torn between his two families and it
still creates conflict required for the show and OMWF. And you can just
tone down the "standing in your way" stuff and all fits nicely.
And you could still have Giles show up at the end of the season.
But, nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo.
UN
Hunter
> Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>
> >>But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
> >>as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
> >>time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
>
> >Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> >responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
>
> She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
> The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
> from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
> as more than a little dumb.
>
> And as far as being a grown woman goes, she's what, 22 years old?
21; 20 years old when she was ressurected and Giles left.
>
> I'm 31 (hold on... yeah, 31) and believe me, I still benefit
> greatly from having my parents around for advice and support.
> If the closest thing I had left to a parent figure told me at
> 22 that he was leaving because I had to face life alone, I'd
> have known even at that tender age that he was being an idiot.
>
> If a child, or protege, or whatever is relying too heavily on
> the parent/mentor figure, there are more options available to
> the adult than stay and let the child continue the unhealthy
> dependence or cut them completely loose and leave. There's
> a whole spectrum of choices Giles could have made that wouldn't
> have made Buffy feel completely abandoned mere days after she
> announced under the effects of a truth spell that she'd have
> preferred it if the gang had never brought her back to life.
That is what I hold Gile responsible for. He knew first hand her state of
mind. But he still left. How stupid. Only not forseeing Willow's
addiction and anger management problems was more brainless.
>
> I've really had a hard time trying to grasp the supposed logic
> the writers want us to accept on that one. "Well, Buffy is most
> likely going to be called on to save the whole world pretty
> soon, just like she always does, and at the moment she seems
> to be about two steps away from actively suicidal. Yup, time
> for me to cut her off and hie my way back to jollly old England."
He took his insight glasses off so he was very nearsighted.
>
> >We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
> >forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
> >death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
>
> And all the other Slayers we've seen or heard about have been
> killed in battle. That's not such great evidence for the "Slayers
> don't need permanent Watchers" theory, is it?
Nope
>
> Personally, I don't see why the hell the Watcher's Council doesn't
> field an entire team of highly-trained and well-equipped commandos
> to back up every active Slayer. But that's as much a convention of
> the genre as it is a necessity for the kind of show Joss and his
> crew want to present, so I can cut them some slack there.
>
> Pete
>
The only thing I can think of is that would be too conspiciuos (sp?)
Governments don't like private armies roaming their territory potentially
challenging their authority. They will either try to destroy the CoW or
co-opt it and obsorb it. For all we know the Initiative probably started
out as a private American CoW but was too public (fanwank ofcourse).
Don Sample
<ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
>
> We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
> forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
> death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
Giles actually getting involved in the fighting seems to be rather
atypical behaviour for a Watcher. Mostly they sit in their offices
with their books, and send their Slayers out to get killed on their
own.
From _Welcome to the Hellmouth_:
Buffy hands the books back to Mr. Giles. Å‚First of all, IÄ…m
a Vampire Slayer. And secondly, IÄ…m retired. Hey, I know!
Why donÄ…t you kill Ä…em?Ë›
Å‚IÄ…m a Watcher,Ë› says Mr. Giles Å‚I havenÄ…t the skill.Ë›
Å‚Oh, come on, stake through the heart, a little sunlightÅ itÄ…s
like falling off a log.Ë›
łA Slayer slays. A Watcher‹˛
Å‚Watches?Ë› asks Buffy.
łYes.˛ says Mr. Giles. łNo! He trains her, he, prepares her‹˛
--
Don Sample, dsa...@synapse.net
Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://www.synapse.net/~dsample/BBC
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Panokko
news:vth6pu8c8sqn17nc0...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:40:27 GMT, Panokko <Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>incubus <inc...@spawnofsatan.com> wrote in
>>news:NRCk9.486$y44.76202@newsfep2-gui:
>>
>>
>>> in season 6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to
>>> perform adueqately.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>This is the reason the COW sacked him in season 3, but he stuck around
>>then, and did an reasonable job watcherwise even without the pay. He
>>was wrong to leave in season 6 and he is wrong to have left again with
>>willow.
>>
>>Mark
>
> He wasn't wrong to leave, imo. Buffy was not taking her
> responsibilities seriously, and it was stifling her growth. Buffy is a
> big girl now and she doesn't actually need him in the slightest,
> except as a security blanket.
Well that's why i feel (and Joss Whedon felt it too) that the series had
strayed from its original premise in season 6. Season 6 was about growing
up, for this she didnt need a watcher. Every other season was about a
girl/young woman having superpowers and ridding the world of bad
thingies. In every other season Giles proved his usefulnes doing
research, figuring things out, putting his watcher knowledge at work,
training his slayer and being an overall mentor. Giles has loads of
theoretical knowledge about the underworld that Buffy simply doesn't have
(she was never "classically" trained). For the Slaying part of the series
a watcher is very much needed. Watcher and slayer make an effective
combo, brains and brawn. Slayer without a watcher makes for a drab soap
opera.
Panokko
dsa...@synapse.net:
> Giles actually getting involved in the fighting seems to be rather
> atypical behaviour for a Watcher. Mostly they sit in their offices
> with their books, and send their Slayers out to get killed on their
> own.
>
My toughts exactly. Giles' atypical behaviour makes him the best watcher
i've seen on the show. Maybe a little too involved with his slayer, but
he mostly makes the right decisions. He is better than Merrick, Buffy's
first watcher, cause merrick got himself killed, the same goes for
faith's first watcher. I think he is better than Kendra's watcher (the
guy that sent Kendra to the Hellmouth to get killed *alone*) He is better
than Wesley in making right judgements. He is better than gwendolyn post
(sp?) because he didn't turn evil and he is better than Quinten Travers
(sp?) and his CoW cronies because of CoW dumbness factor.
Did I leave anyone out?
Panokko
news:MPG.17fd229b8...@news.earthlink.net:
> In general I agree with you. But Willow needs Giles far more than
> Buffy now. Yes he neglected his duty as both a Watcher and surragate
> father to Buffy, especially after she was ressurected and was clearly
> desplaying emotional problems. But now she is largely over it and it
> is Willow who needs to be supported. Willow is potentially far more
> dangerous than Buffy ever will be. No, Giles is right where he
> supposed to be, for Willow's sake and the World's.
OK, i see your point, but isnt there anyone else who can stand by willow?
Darwin Fish
"UN" <unw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Sad, isn't it. I like the family idea calling him back. I always had
Giles going back because of some Council matter. The could have taped a
few scenes of Head before he left and sprinkled them throught the season
to keep his memory alive.
Quick cut to the English countryside -
Giles: Whose there? *smack* Giles gets whacked on the head
Quick cut to an old, family crypt -
Giles: Did you here something? *smack* Giles gets whacked on the head
Quick cut to Giles at a B-day party at the COW headquater -
Giles: Oh dear, spilled some tea. I'll mop it up. *swooish* Giles slips
and wacks himself on the head.
SWeick
>Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message
>news:amviph$47j$1...@news3.bu.edu...
>> Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >>But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
>> >>as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
>> >>time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
>>
>> >Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
>> >responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
>>
>> She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
Anyone who thinks Buffy was acting like a grown woman in S5/S6,
please raise your hands.
>> The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
>> from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
>> as more than a little dumb.
>
>Yep, chalk it up to dumb writing. Joss and Marti are the real idiots here.
Yeah, total incompetents. Should never be allowed to write for
your show. ;-)
>They should have set up a family emergency in England for Giles and then
>done the set up for Ripper off that.
What family? It's never been shown that he's close to anyone
in his family, or even has any still living.
Talk about all the bitching then about family problems when
his family is here. He left them in England for work, he would have
to come back and take over his Sunnydale family after all the terrible
outcome of his leaving.
So you really haven't solved the problem of ASH basically not wanting
to be away from his family. It wouldn't make sense for him not to
return after whatever "family" problems were there in England.
No, you have to have a good reason for him not to return after S6.
No need for abandonment or the Slayer
>to come along to England. Show him torn between his two families and it
>still creates conflict required for the show and OMWF. And you can just
>tone down the "standing in your way" stuff and all fits nicely.
But that was the point, Buffy wasn't in need of a Watcher during
S6. She instead was relying on Giles as a substitute father for Dawn.
>And you could still have Giles show up at the end of the season.
>
>But, nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo.
Joss rejected your fanfic?
I'm shocked. :-)
Stephen Weick | .sig under construction. Ready to sue General
Contractor.
UN
"Darwin Fish" . I always had
> Giles going back because of some Council matter. The could have taped a
> few scenes of Head before he left and sprinkled them throught the season
> to keep his memory alive.
>
> Quick cut to the English countryside -
>
> and wacks himself on the head.
Bwahahahaha!
If only S6 had been a quarter that funny.
UN
UN
UN
> >Yep, chalk it up to dumb writing. Joss and Marti are the real idiots
here.
Sweick,
> Yeah, total incompetents. Should never be allowed to write for
> your show. ;-)
Joss yes, Marti no. Didja see last season?
Un
Hunter
ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:21:45 GMT, buffh...@my-deja.com (Hunter)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <c7i6pu8ej8ggmo6c1...@4ax.com>,
> >ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> >> On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Chelsea Christenson <Chelsea.C...@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> >>Panokko wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> I grow more and more annoyed with Rupert Giles ever since season 4. Isn't
> >> >>> he supposed to be a watcher???
> >> >
> >> >>Buffy has pretty much graduated from the traditional Slayer/Watcher
> >> >>relationship.
> >> >
> >> >But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
> >> >as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
> >> >time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
> >>
> >> Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> >> responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
> >----
> >No, her life went into a slide because she suffered from Clinical
> >Depression brought on by her ressurection and being ripped from paradise,
> >not to mention having to dig youself out of your own grave. It is a
> >wonder
>
> wrong for as an excuse to not try. She most certainly didn't suffer
> from clinical depression (or she had the world's quickest, easiest and
> fastest ride on THAT train).
-----
Yes, Clinical depression has some physical symptoms, namely chemical
imbalances, brought on by tramatic events, but she is the Slayer and has
a super constitution so she could recover from that far quickier than a
normal person, just like Faith recovered from her comma far quicker than
a everyday person suffering similar injuries (provided such a person
could servive period with her injuries) and Buffy was able to fight off
the schizophrenia venom long enough to keep herself from killing her
friends.
Still, it took almost a year for her to recover and people were mad that
it took that long. My point is people's lack of understanding. I mean how
do you handle being ressurected after feeling blissful, your death having
meaning, and all the burdens of being a Slayer-a job she never aske for-
was lifted?
>
> > BTW that you can go from being naive jailbait (according to some)
> >and calling Angel a cad for taking advantage of a "little girl" who
> >cam't handle sex to a "grown woman" who should be able to handle
> >returning from heaven like it was a trip to the supermarket just three
> >years. :-\
>
> You're going to have to point me to where I ever called her naive
> jailbait and then called Angel a cad. I have zero recollection of any
> such event.
---
Not you. I mean in general. It is just that some people think that people
mature at such a rapid rate. It struck me as hypocritical to hold Buffy
at such a high standard three years on. I apologize to you if you took it
as a vailed attack on you. Sorry.
>
> >Give her a break A trauma like that would throw a 50 year old
> >for a loop much less a 20 year old.
>
> It's not about bashing buffy, it's about giving *Giles* a break.
> Something the Giles bashers here have forgotten.
----
He had a greater responsiblity as her watcher, as her quasi father. He
should had seen this comming. Buffy's self destructiveness and Willow's
magical rage. How she (Willow) went after Glorififcus after she brain
drained and the super handshake to Tara. But I am not a Giles Basher.
Some people including the person who started this thread think that He is
further shurking his duty by being attentive to Willow. I feel finally he
is right where he should be with the person who needs him most. Buffy,
party thanks to her superior recovery abilities, is alright now. Willow
needs the help, especially with the Coven deathly afraid of her. I don't
blame them, but it is not supportive and conducive to her recovery. Giles
is right were he belongs.
>
> I forgot that Buffy was in fact beyond reproach <rolls eyes>
---
No, Buffy is not beyond reproach, It is just to me anyway how she was
acting made perfect sense giving what happened to her. The same goes for
Dawn.
Hunter
ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 19:03:19 GMT, buffh...@my-deja.com (Hunter)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <vth6pu8c8sqn17nc0...@4ax.com>,
> >ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com says...
> >> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:40:27 GMT, Panokko <Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >incubus <inc...@spawnofsatan.com> wrote in
> >> >news:NRCk9.486$y44.76202@newsfep2-gui:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> in season 6 he went home because he felt too close to buffy to
> >> >> perform adueqately.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >This is the reason the COW sacked him in season 3, but he stuck around
> >> >then, and did an reasonable job watcherwise even without the pay. He was
> >> >wrong to leave in season 6 and he is wrong to have left again with willow.
> >> >
> >> >Mark
> >>
> >> He wasn't wrong to leave, imo. Buffy was not taking her
> >> responsibilities seriously, and it was stifling her growth. Buffy is a
> >> big girl now and she doesn't actually need him in the slightest,
> >> except as a security blanket.
> >>
> >---
> >She was just ressurected. She needed him more than ever.
>
>
----
After she went true emotional hell.
Hunter
says...
> In article <c7i6pu8ej8ggmo6c1...@4ax.com>, Andy
> <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> > responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
> >
> > We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
> > forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
> > death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
>
> Giles actually getting involved in the fighting seems to be rather
> atypical behaviour for a Watcher. Mostly they sit in their offices
> with their books, and send their Slayers out to get killed on their
> own.
>
> From _Welcome to the Hellmouth_:
>
> Buffy hands the books back to Mr. Giles. Å‚First of all, IÄ…m
> a Vampire Slayer. And secondly, IÄ…m retired. Hey, I know!
> Why donÄ…t you kill Ä…em?Ë›
>
> Å‚IÄ…m a Watcher,Ë› says Mr. Giles Å‚I havenÄ…t the skill.Ë›
>
> Å‚Oh, come on, stake through the heart, a little sunlightÅ itÄ…s
> like falling off a log.Ë›
>
> łA Slayer slays. A Watcher‹˛
>
> Å‚Watches?Ë› asks Buffy.
>
> łYes.˛ says Mr. Giles. łNo! He trains her, he, prepares her‹˛
>
>
I wouldn't be so harsh. Their job is to point a Slayer towards a danger
while they do the research and training. They are the equivalent to a
modern General deploying troops. If the General gets needlessly killed
that would be a waste of resources and quite possibly the lost of the
war. Besides, judging from cannon, Watchers get killed on a fairly
regular basis as it is. Namely Faith's and Buffy's first Watchers.
Hunter
Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com says...
No. Everyone including the Coven is afraid of her. Giles is the only
person qualified who knows the real Willow, the vulnerable shy
unappreciated girl. I said that Giles was Buffy's surragate father, to a
lesser extent it was the same for Willow. Dark Willow's "Daddy's home"
comment was not just a throwaway line.
BTW Willow looked quite pretty in a haggard sort of way in "Lessons" No
makeup that reveals the true physical beauty of a girl.
SWeick
Yep. Going great right till the ending of Smashed. Plunged greatly
till NA. At which it went great, sans Entropy, which was so so.
Marti has talent. She's a very fine writer, as many episodes
*you* loved were written by her.
She might just be an OK Exec Producer, though I liked S6
overall better than the other two post HS BtVS.
Personally, I think they could fix Wrecked and the basic arcs
from Gone to Hell's Bells.
Ian Galbraith
[snip]
:I've really had a hard time trying to grasp the supposed logic
:the writers want us to accept on that one. "Well, Buffy is most
:likely going to be called on to save the whole world pretty
:soon, just like she always does, and at the moment she seems
:to be about two steps away from actively suicidal. Yup, time
:for me to cut her off and hie my way back to jollly old England."
I interpreted it as a purposefully bad decision by Giles.
[snip]
--
Ian Galbraith
Email: igalb...@removeozonline.com.au
'I'm not an adult!'' he says, shaking his head. ''I don't want
to create responsible shows with lawyers in them. I want to invade
people's dreams.'' -Joss Whedon
C.M. Chandler
>
>
>Mark
>
I would say not at this point. Of all the Scoobs, Giles is the only person
that's been anywhere close to where Willow has been.
Well, I could throw Buffy in that club, too, given her attempted murder of
Faith, but her first responsibility is to Dawn.
Since I brought up the point of Giles....
(spoiler space for Lessons)
Can I just say that I loved his Dumbledore impression in Lessons? I love the
thought that he's still very much connected to magick even if he isn't
practicing it a ton. I love that they backtracked on the whole addiction thing
-- and I love that Giles is the person to tell Willow that when it comes down
to it, we're all simply who we are.
That scene was fantastic.
Catherine Chandler l "Nobody gets a hole in one
StarGazerCMC at aol dot com l their first time at bat."
Don Sample
<starga...@aol.com> wrote:
> >OK, i see your point, but isnt there anyone else who can stand by willow?
> >
> >
> >Mark
> >
>
> I would say not at this point. Of all the Scoobs, Giles is the only person
> that's been anywhere close to where Willow has been.
>
> Well, I could throw Buffy in that club, too, given her attempted murder of
> Faith, but her first responsibility is to Dawn.
>
> Since I brought up the point of Giles....
>
> (spoiler space for Lessons)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Can I just say that I loved his Dumbledore impression in Lessons? I love the
> thought that he's still very much connected to magick even if he isn't
> practicing it a ton. I love that they backtracked on the whole addiction thing
> -- and I love that Giles is the person to tell Willow that when it comes down
> to it, we're all simply who we are.
>
> That scene was fantastic.
I wouldn't say that they've backtracked on the addiction thing. It's
just that her addiction has gone past the point where abstinance is an
option. She's addicted to magic like she's addicted to oxygen now.
ANIM8Rfsk
just that her addiction has gone past the point where abstinance is an
option. She's addicted to magic like she's addicted to oxygen now. >>
Well, Giles did say "It's not an addiction"
C.M. Chandler
>I wouldn't say that they've backtracked on the addiction thing. It's
>just that her addiction has gone past the point where abstinance is an
>option. She's addicted to magic like she's addicted to oxygen now.
But was Will addicted to magic or to the power that magic gave her? I always
got that she was getting off not on using the magics but on pulling
circumstances (and people) around on puppet strings.
If the show were any but BtVS, I would take it for face value, but I see the
magic/Willow relationship a bit deeper. YMMV, of course.
Victoria
"C.M. Chandler" <starga...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020927000249...@mb-cp.aol.com...
> Don wrote:
>
> >I wouldn't say that they've backtracked on the addiction thing. It's
> >just that her addiction has gone past the point where abstinance is an
> >option. She's addicted to magic like she's addicted to oxygen now.
>
> But was Will addicted to magic or to the power that magic gave her? I
always
> got that she was getting off not on using the magics but on pulling
> circumstances (and people) around on puppet strings.
The only problem I have with that is the episode where Willow had the
tremors from withdrawals from magic. Like it was a chemical dependency
thing ... I don't think just being addicted to the power would have that
kind of affect. I think the Magic was slowly changing her molecular
structure and when she stopped it was a withdrawal city. But now, after the
season finale the magic has completed it's take over so to speak, she is one
with the magic, she is one with the earth. So it's no longer an addiction,
it's part of her.
Darwin Fish
"Victoria" <sm...@life.com> wrote:
Willow with the shakes, looking strung out and saying stupid lines like
"23 days without a spell" really drove me up the wall. However, I do
like how they're getting past the whole addition arc, she no longer
addicted to magic, she is magic.
Darwin Fish
anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) wrote:
Well... Giles also thought Buffy could handle life on her own. Sometimes
the man is couple scones short of a baker's dozen if you ask me. I think
Willow is no longer addicited to magic only because now she IS magic.
This could prove dangerous since if Willow is right and everything is
connected then her own guilt and need to be punished for her crimes
might manifest itself in unexpected ways. Like shapeshifting entites who
seek to punish Buffy and the gang for the times when they weren't able
to help the helpless and allowed evil to have its way.
Buffy has saved Willow's life countless time, could it be that part of
her now hates Buffy because she failed to save Willow from herself?
David Samuel Barr
>
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:29:10 GMT, "Victoria" <sm...@life.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >omigosh, that was him!!! I totally forgot about those commercials!!
> >I knew I recognized him from somewhere :-)
>
> Yep, that was him =)
>
> The ads were for "Gold Blend" in the UK, and for nature's choice in
> the US?
TASTER'S Choice. (Same Nestle coffee, just different names for
different territories.)
Rose
>
>Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
>
He's being held hostage by ASH's desire to be with his family and pursue other
projects. ;)
Rose
"There is no excuse for domestic violence." -- LAPD
Panokko
news:MPG.17fd6eabd...@news.earthlink.net:
> But I am not a
> Giles Basher. Some people including the person who started this thread
> think that He is further shurking his duty by being attentive to
> Willow. I feel finally he is right where he should be with the person
> who needs him most. Buffy, party thanks to her superior recovery
> abilities, is alright now. Willow needs the help, especially with the
> Coven deathly afraid of her. I don't blame them, but it is not
> supportive and conducive to her recovery. Giles is right were he
> belongs.
I do certainly NOT feel that I am a Giles Basher... More a Giles-fan
actually and I'm a bit pissed that Giles will be in only ten episodes
this season (or so I heard). I know that it was a decision of the actor
who played Giles to do less shows, but the story that was written around
his leaving made me feel that he was grossly neglecting his watcher duty
in an un-Giles like fashion: he is making the same bad judgements Wesley
would have made. So he is doing very useful work with willow?? then he
should see to it that Buffy gets a replacement watcher, a temporary
watcher if you will. Someone with the same knowledge of the arcane as a
watcher. Giles or the council should have stepped in last season and not
leave Buffy without someone with that knowledge. To a certain extent
Willow, Tara, Anya and Spike served as warcher replacments when Giles was
gone, and their combined knowledge of the underworld helped buffy along
the way. Willow went bad and is now in England, Tara is dead, Spike is
looney tunes and Anya is an evil Vengeance demon (she made someon FRENCH,
thats evil). Point in case: she had to hear from looney tunes-Spike that
the ghosts/zombie things were manifests and that there was a talisman.
That would have been Giles' job.
Where is the CoW on this one??? in season 3 they supplied another watcher
after Giles was booted. Why not in season 6? And more importantly why not
now?
Panokko
news:20020927020210...@mb-ma.aol.com:
HAHAHA
Touche......
OK let me rephrase that: ME get your act together and DO your duty to
write some better Giles material!!
Victoria
"Darwin Fish" <a...@a.edu> wrote in message
news:a-D09DAA.00...@husk.cso.niu.edu...
> In article <20020926234947...@mb-fc.aol.com>,
> anim...@aol.comNOSPAM (ANIM8Rfsk) wrote:
>
> > << I wouldn't say that they've backtracked on the addiction thing. It's
> > just that her addiction has gone past the point where abstinance is an
> > option. She's addicted to magic like she's addicted to oxygen now. >>
> >
> > Well, Giles did say "It's not an addiction"
> >
>
> Well... Giles also thought Buffy could handle life on her own. Sometimes
> the man is couple scones short of a baker's dozen if you ask me. I think
> Willow is no longer addicited to magic only because now she IS magic.
>
> This could prove dangerous since if Willow is right and everything is
> connected then her own guilt and need to be punished for her crimes
> might manifest itself in unexpected ways. Like shapeshifting entites who
> seek to punish Buffy and the gang for the times when they weren't able
> to help the helpless and allowed evil to have its way.
>
> Buffy has saved Willow's life countless time, could it be that part of
> her now hates Buffy because she failed to save Willow from herself?
>
Nope. And I only say that because Willow was already the big bad, so now
she's going to be good again :-) Otherwise, your theory is very clever.
I am looking forward to a season of powerful Willow. Doing great cool
magic. Last year, I was really disappointed with the prospect of no more
Magic. After seeing her powers slowing progress over the years, I felt we
were going robbed of something cool. So now that they got rid of the dumb
addiction thing, I am hoping to see some really interesting stuff from her
this year.
Peter Meilinger
>On 26 Sep 2002 18:14:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
>>>responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
>>
>>She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
>>The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
>>from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
>>as more than a little dumb.
>Ah, I see. Personal insults just because I hold a different view.
The insult was towards the writers who seemed to be promoting
that idea, not towards you. I'm sorry I didn't make that more
clear.
Pete
John Campbell Rees
has a lot to do with the fact that a certain person in a position of
power does not like the character of Rupert Giles. Ever since Marti
Noxon's star began rising at Mutant Enemy Productions, humiliation after
humiliation has been stacked onto Rupert Giles.
So when it became obvious that Marti would be in full control of Season
VI, ASH decided not to stick around in Hollywood to be crucified, and
using the excuse of spending more time with his family, quietly slipped
out of town.
Look at the way Giles barely got mentioned in absentia.
And when "Hells Belles" was over-running, which line got cut, the one
explaining that Giles could not make it, so he paid for the flowers
instead. This was a vital peice of explanation, as most of the people
on this NG wondered where on Earth he was in that episode. Something
else could have been sacrificed.
--
"Like shooting flies with a laser cannon, the aims a bit tricky, but
it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.
From "Komarr" by Lois McMaster Bujold
John Campbell Rees
in message <Xns929584F53A92...@24.132.65.12> wrote:
> And what do we see at the beginning of season 7? He is playing watcher
> to WILLOW.
>
> Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
And maybe it is Willow who needs the watching. It is apparent that the
basic nature of Willow has changed. She is no longer a foolish dabbler
in powers far beyond her understanding, she is now an integral part of
that power. As she says, everything is connected. She is perhaps the
mortal personification of the Earth Goddess that the Wiccans worship,
and that is why she gives them the heeby-jeebies, as goddess fearing
believers. This is a phenomenon that needs to be studied, and thus
Rupert Giles is doing his duty to the Watcher's Council by studying it.
Arnold Kim
John Campbell Rees <jw...@gardd-lelog.org.uk> wrote in message
news:f5e4bb7...@dendarii.btinternet.com...
> Why was Giles absent throughout most of Season VI. I believe that it
> has a lot to do with the fact that a certain person in a position of
> power does not like the character of Rupert Giles. Ever since Marti
> Noxon's star began rising at Mutant Enemy Productions, humiliation after
> humiliation has been stacked onto Rupert Giles.
>
> So when it became obvious that Marti would be in full control of Season
> VI, ASH decided not to stick around in Hollywood to be crucified, and
> using the excuse of spending more time with his family, quietly slipped
> out of town.
>
> Look at the way Giles barely got mentioned in absentia.
> And when "Hells Belles" was over-running, which line got cut, the one
> explaining that Giles could not make it, so he paid for the flowers
> instead. This was a vital peice of explanation, as most of the people
> on this NG wondered where on Earth he was in that episode. Something
> else could have been sacrificed.
<raises eyebrow>
Okay... if you want any of your idea to be taken seriously and not looked at
like a far out conspiracy theory (which it seems to be), you'd better back
yourself up with more hard evidence than one deleted line of dialog.
Arnold Kim
Rowan Hawthorn
> During the course of this discussion, Panokko <Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com>,
> in message <Xns929584F53A92...@24.132.65.12> wrote:
>
> > And what do we see at the beginning of season 7? He is playing watcher
> > to WILLOW.
> >
> > Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
>
> And maybe it is Willow who needs the watching. It is apparent that the
> basic nature of Willow has changed. She is no longer a foolish dabbler
> in powers far beyond her understanding, she is now an integral part of
> that power. As she says, everything is connected. She is perhaps the
> mortal personification of the Earth Goddess that the Wiccans worship,
> and that is why she gives them the heeby-jeebies, as goddess fearing
> believers. This is a phenomenon that needs to be studied, and thus
> Rupert Giles is doing his duty to the Watcher's Council by studying it.
>
You know, that's a good suggestion. And since Rupert has so much on his
mind, I volunteer to study it in his place. I promise, I'll study her...er,
it...*very* closely... >:-)
--
Rowan Hawthorn
Dennis M Pahl
> Why was Giles absent throughout most of Season VI. I believe that it
> has a lot to do with the fact that a certain person in a position of
> power does not like the character of Rupert Giles. Ever since Marti
> Noxon's star began rising at Mutant Enemy Productions, humiliation after
> humiliation has been stacked onto Rupert Giles.
>
> So when it became obvious that Marti would be in full control of Season
> VI, ASH decided not to stick around in Hollywood to be crucified, and
> using the excuse of spending more time with his family, quietly slipped
> out of town.
>
>
6. He said he stayed because his children told him too. Evidently they are
big fans of the show and found it cool to have him a part of it.
Mark Evans
>>OK, i see your point, but isnt there anyone else who can stand by willow?
>>
>>
>>Mark
>>
> I would say not at this point. Of all the Scoobs, Giles is the only person
> that's been anywhere close to where Willow has been.
Except that Giles was completly outclassed by Angelus, Drusilla and
Spike. Willow killed Warren and, on their own, Andrew and Jonathon wouldn't
have stood a chance.
> Well, I could throw Buffy in that club, too, given her attempted murder of
> Faith, but her first responsibility is to Dawn.
Dawn wasn't around when Buffy "went Rambo" over Faith trying to kill
Angel though. She only had one target, not three...
Don Sample
<m...@anacon.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> C.M. Chandler <starga...@aol.com> wrote:
> >>OK, i see your point, but isnt there anyone else who can stand by willow?
> >>
> >>
> >>Mark
> >>
>
> > I would say not at this point. Of all the Scoobs, Giles is the only person
> > that's been anywhere close to where Willow has been.
>
> Except that Giles was completly outclassed by Angelus, Drusilla and
> Spike. Willow killed Warren and, on their own, Andrew and Jonathon wouldn't
> have stood a chance.
I believe that C.M. was referring back to Giles' bad old days raising
demons in London, and getting his friend killed as a result.
>
> > Well, I could throw Buffy in that club, too, given her attempted murder of
> > Faith, but her first responsibility is to Dawn.
>
> Dawn wasn't around when Buffy "went Rambo" over Faith trying to kill
> Angel though. She only had one target, not three...
Again C.M. is talking about Giles and Buffy having first hand knowledge
about how it feels to actually kill someone.
Nat Faul
Panokko wrote in message ...
>I grow more and more annoyed with Rupert Giles ever since season 4. Isn't
>he supposed to be a watcher??? Why isn't he actively watching his slayer
>instead of playing babysitter to ex-evil willow? His slacking in season 4
>annoyed me a little, but at least he was around when his slayer needed him
>(even though it was less often). In season 5 i felt he was on the road to
>redemption when the COW was made to reinstate him. I really blame him for
>leaving in season 6: he was grossly neglecting his duty. The COW must be in
>serious trouble for not disciplinning him. His considerations that Buffy
>should grow up have nothing to do with the fact that she IS the slayer and
>he is her watcher. And what do we see at the beginning of season 7? He is
>playing watcher to WILLOW.
>
>Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
>
>
>
>--
>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice anywhere"
>
Buffy growing dependant of him. His duty as a Watcher is to train her to be
strong & leaving her on her own, after all the training he gave her, is a
way of making her strong. And Willow needs "babysitting" to keep her from
turning evil again & destroying the world.
C.M. Chandler
>Again C.M. is talking about Giles and Buffy having first hand knowledge
>about how it feels to actually kill someone.
>
You are correct, both times. The first time I was referring to Giles' history
as related in The Dark Age, and the second comment was me saying that Buffy has
that knowledge but her responsibilities to Dawn make it impossible for her to
help Willow through her recovery period.
Giles has no duty to Buffy except as a Watcher and a friend. He admitted he was
wrong leaving Buffy the way he did, and she as much said that it was a lesson
she needed to learn. Giles isn't perfect, but he's doing the best he can.
I get tired of people throwing around comments that seem to pin
responsibilities of fatherhood on Giles. Just because he's old enough to be
Buffy's father doesn't mean that he automatically inheirits the responsibility.
At most, his feelings towards being a replacement dad for Buffy are ambivalent,
and he's made outright refusals to take that role in Dawn's life. Just because
Buffy's father is absent in her life doesn't mean that Giles should
automatically assume that role -- it's obvious it's a role he's not comfortable
assuming.
And then there's the question of his friendship with the other Scoobies. Who
can possibly blame him for shifting his responsibilities to those of being a
good friend to Willow? Don't she and Xander have just as much a right to Giles'
friendship as Buffy does? If Buffy needs Giles in a *Watcher* or *friend*
capacity in the meantime, I'm sure he won't hesitate to do what he can to the
best of his ability.
Karnak17
>We have no canon to suggest that Watchers stay with their slayers
>forever. All the other slayers we've seen have been watcherless at
>death, either because the watcher was not there, or had been killed.
I don't know who you mean. Kendra's Watcher was the one who sent her to
Sunnydale, if I remember correctly; Faith's murdered Watcher was replaced right
away; we have no reason to believe that the Chinese and New York Slayers didn't
have Watchers waiting for them to report in.
In "Fool for Love", Buffy asks why Watchers never write up details of the
deaths of the Slayers. Giles says because they probably find it too painful.
The implication is that all Slayers still have a Watcher at the time that they
die.
Just a thought. If Buffy is going to get a new Watcher this year, wouldn't it
be interesting if it was New York Slayer's Watcher. Make an interesting
conflict with Spike.
>
>>Besides, Giles rocks. More Giles can only be of the good.
>THAt I agree with, I want to see more Ripper =)
>
Jon Mason
"UN" <unw...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:9kJk9.3187$jv.83...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>
> "Peter Meilinger" <mell...@bu.edu> wrote in message
> news:amviph$47j$1...@news3.bu.edu...
> > Andy <ausm1dontsp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >On 26 Sep 2002 16:48:09 GMT, Peter Meilinger <mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >>But not from needing a mentor or parent figure. Pretty much as soon
> > >>as Giles left, her life went completely down the tubes for a long
> > >>time there. I'm thinking it's not all coincidence.
> >
> > >Her life went on the slide, because for some time she refused to take
> > >responsibility for herself. She's a grown woman.
> >
> > She's a grown woman who is regularly called on to save the world.
> > The idea that she doesn't need all the help she can get, especially
> > from someone as knowledgeable and competent as Giles, strikes me
> > as more than a little dumb.
>
here.
>
> done the set up for Ripper off that. No need for abandonment or the
Slayer
> to come along to England. Show him torn between his two families and it
> still creates conflict required for the show and OMWF. And you can just
> tone down the "standing in your way" stuff and all fits nicely.
>
> And you could still have Giles show up at the end of the season.
>
> But, nnnnnnnnnooooooooooooooooooo.
Should have been a vampire/evil type emergency situation in England where
Giles was the best person to investigate - something like the Hellmouth, but
not exactly, so evil was afoot in England somewhere, so he had to go, also
setting up a spinoff series...
Dan Armato
> Don Sample <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in news:260920021540381481%
> dsa...@synapse.net:
>
>
> > Giles actually getting involved in the fighting seems to be rather
> > atypical behaviour for a Watcher. Mostly they sit in their offices
> > with their books, and send their Slayers out to get killed on their
> > own.
> >
>
> My toughts exactly. Giles' atypical behaviour makes him the best watcher
> i've seen on the show. Maybe a little too involved with his slayer,
That is what makes him so effective as a watcher and proves the COW
wrong in their basic philosophy (that the slayer is theirs to control
and is just a tool for their use).
The S6 leaving was very un-Giles like, but practically everybody was
acting un-self like in that season.
Ken
"Victoria" <sm...@life.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Algomeysa" <algomeys...@mindspring.comNOPESPAM> wrote in message
> news:amurql$ivv$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net...> > news:Xns929584F53A92...@24.132.65.12...
> >
> > > Giles get your act together and DO your duty.
> >
> > have sex with her already!
> >
> > oh, wrong Anthony Stewart Head role.... (:
>
> omigosh, that was him!!! I totally forgot about those commercials!!
> I knew I recognized him from somewhere :-)
Maybe you recognized him from VR5.
-- Ken from Chicago
runester
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>
> Maybe you recognized him from VR5.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? ASH was in VR5??? I used to love that show ... and don't
remember him. Who did he play?
Man, was I bumbed out when they got cancelled. I always loved TV shows
where hackers use antiquated equipment, connected to TV's and old-style
rotary phones to hack into the human sub-conscious. Just imagine what I'll
be able to do with my Intel Pentium II!!! [I just have to find that
application icon labeled, "hack into human sub-conscious" ... I know it's
here somewhere ... probably under "accessories" or maybe "system utilities"
...]
--
~runester~
Dennis M Pahl
"runester" <runester_NOSPAM_@_NOSPAM_rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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after he was killed.
Rowan Hawthorn
"runester" <runester_NOSPAM_@_NOSPAM_rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:PeFl9.618$XX3.4...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com:
>
> >
> > Maybe you recognized him from VR5.
> >
> > -- Ken from Chicago
> >
>
> WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? ASH was in VR5??? I used to love that show ... and don't
> remember him. Who did he play?
I can't remember the character's name, but he played a sinister agent for
some shadowy group (sound familiar?) who wanted to control Sydney and her
VR5 capabilities. Came on the show when her professor mentor was killed.
>
> Man, was I bumbed out when they got cancelled.
Me, too. Wonder if it'll ever be released on DVD????
I always loved TV shows
> where hackers use antiquated equipment, connected to TV's and old-style
> rotary phones to hack into the human sub-conscious. Just imagine what I'll
> be able to do with my Intel Pentium II!!! [I just have to find that
> application icon labeled, "hack into human sub-conscious" ... I know it's
> here somewhere ... probably under "accessories" or maybe "system
utilities"
> ...]
Actually, they keep moving it around on each new Windows platform. Right
now it's in of those *really, REALLY* hidden directories under
\WINNT\System32. But you can't access it from a shortcut anymore, it starts
when you boot up, and MS uses it to tap into your mind whenever you're on
the phone - why do you think so many people keep springing for the newest
version before the bugs get worked out? :-)
--
Rowan Hawthorn
Victoria
"Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
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He was in VR5 too? What character? That was so long ago :-)
Victoria
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runester
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>
> "runester" <runester_NOSPAM_@_NOSPAM_rocketmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9298DF8822F53ru...@216.148.53.95...
>> "Ken" <kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote in
>> news:PeFl9.618$XX3.4...@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com:
>>
>>
>>
> Tony replaced Will Patten's character as Sidney's contact with the
> Committee after he was killed.
>
>
Of course, "The Committee" ... it's slowly coming back to me. I mostly
remember the final episode where she finds a way to reach her mother and
save her from some sort of infinite, internal maze ... only to be trapped
in her place.
The final scene is her mother coming out of the coma and Sydney now
sleeping in one. That's a hanging plot which will never be resolved.
I really hope, that if they do end BtVS ... they actually do it in style,
ala a "very special buffy" and not just let the story dangle.
--
~runester~
runester
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well, according to an article on Phrack ... it's IE started with a command
line parameter. Try this ...
C:\WINDOWS\EXPLORER.EXE http://www.neural-structures.com/hindbrain.html
Of course, if it works ... you won't remember anything ...
[Just in case the NSA are listening, "That is a bogus URL ... no part of an
actual human subconscious is tapped for the purposes of this post."]
--
~runester~
Ken
"runester" <runester_NOSPAM_@_NOSPAM_rocketmail.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, Microsoft got dibs on subconscious hacking software.
-- Ken from Chicago (who wonders where he wants to go today)
Ken
"runester" <runester_NOSPAM_@_NOSPAM_rocketmail.com> wrote in message
I still say BTVS should end with Buffy sealing the hellmouth in Sunnydale
... only to find out it pops up around the globe, so she goes off fighting
whereever it pops up, with a reformed NewSpike as her guide to the world and
underworld.
Of course, DTVS would open up with Buffy gone, but Dawn discovering her Key
ability to "lock" and "unlock" portals, rifts, doors, locks, languages,
codes, patterns. Of course, even once you lock a dimensional rift, you still
have to ''deal'' with who or what has already come thru .... at Dawn does
... and her scrappy gang of friends.
Oh, and at sixteen, Dawn finds out how being made from the blood of a slayer
makes a girl different, especially one turning sixteen ... the same age
Buffy was when she was slaying.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken
"Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_hawthorn_at_hotmail_dot_com> wrote in message
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There ... are ... no ... bugs ... in ... Windows .... Those ... are ...
undocumented ... FEATURES.
-- Ken ... from ... Redmo-er, ... Chicago
Ken
He was a next door neighbor wanting to borrow some coffee. His other
neighbor ran out on him, went back to her ex.
-- Ken from Chicago
Don Sample
<kwicker_era...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Oh, and at sixteen, Dawn finds out how being made from the blood of a slayer
> makes a girl different, especially one turning sixteen ... the same age
> Buffy was when she was slaying.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Dawn is already 16
Buffy started Slaying when she was 14 or 15.
Al Fresco
http://www.littletinywit.com/Column_09162002.html
http://www.littletinywit.com/News_08072002.html
I sit in judgment.
Rowan Hawthorn
>
> "Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_hawthorn_at_hotmail_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:3d97cb70$1...@corp-news.newsgroups.com...
> >
> > Actually, they keep moving it around on each new Windows platform.
Right
> > now it's in of those *really, REALLY* hidden directories under
> > \WINNT\System32. But you can't access it from a shortcut anymore, it
> starts
> > when you boot up, and MS uses it to tap into your mind whenever you're
on
> > the phone - why do you think so many people keep springing for the
newest
> > version before the bugs get worked out? :-)
> >
> > --
> > Rowan Hawthorn
>
> There ... are ... no ... bugs ... in ... Windows .... Those ... are ...
> undocumented ... FEATURES.
>
> -- Ken ... from ... Redmo-er, ... Chicago
>
>
Gee, Bil...er, Ken - what's happened? You sound so...mechanical...
--
Rowan Hawthorn
Panokko
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>
> Just a thought. If Buffy is going to get a new Watcher this year,
> wouldn't it be interesting if it was New York Slayer's Watcher. Make
> an interesting conflict with Spike.
>
Yes it would certainly do so. But somehow I doubt that watchers whose
slayer has died get another slayer to look after, but of course there is no
certain way to determine if thisis so.
Wouldn't it be fun if Quiten Travers (sp?), the reigning head of the COW,
was earlier the New York slayers watcher? There would be some nice
conflict.
Don Sample
<Pan...@no.spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
It was implied in _Helpless_ that Quentin Travers, and the rest of the
higher-ups in the Council have never actually *been* in the field.
Same thing happens in armies during peacetime. The officers who learn
to play the political games, and spend their entire carreers in HQ are
the ones who become generals. The officers who actually go out and get
muddy with the troops rarely make it above colonel. It takes a war and
getting a lot of troops killed by stupid orders from HQ to clear the
morons out of the chain of command again.
Ken
"Don Sample" <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote in message
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You know how it is when you make a copy, not everything always lines up
exactly.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken
"Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_hawthorn_at_hotmail_dot_com> wrote in message
Oddest thing, I was reading about their being bugs in ... something or other
... and blanked out after typing some message.
-- Ken from Chicago
C.M. Chandler
>WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? ASH was in VR5??? I used to love that show ... and don't
>remember him. Who did he play?
Oliver Sampson, IIRC.
Peter Meilinger
>It was implied in _Helpless_ that Quentin Travers, and the rest of the
>higher-ups in the Council have never actually *been* in the field.
Depends on the definition. I'm sure they all went through the
controlled vamp-dusting bit that Wesley was so proud of. They
probably think of that as the same as being on patrol in
Sunnydale. How hard could it be, right?
>Same thing happens in armies during peacetime. The officers who learn
>to play the political games, and spend their entire carreers in HQ are
>the ones who become generals. The officers who actually go out and get
>muddy with the troops rarely make it above colonel. It takes a war and
>getting a lot of troops killed by stupid orders from HQ to clear the
>morons out of the chain of command again.
The problem with the Watcher's Council being that their main troops
are Slayers. There's only one at a time, and whenever one of them
dies another pops up. And the Council doesn't have to undergo
scrutiny from the President or members of the public, either. So
they really have no particular reason to shape up.
Pete
Al Fresco
his head is so big. When you take a swing at Giles, the odds of hitting his
head are so great, a knockout is pretty much assured.
Don Sample
<mell...@bu.edu> wrote:
> Don Sample <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote:
>
> >It was implied in _Helpless_ that Quentin Travers, and the rest of the
> >higher-ups in the Council have never actually *been* in the field.
>
> Depends on the definition. I'm sure they all went through the
> controlled vamp-dusting bit that Wesley was so proud of. They
> probably think of that as the same as being on patrol in
> Sunnydale. How hard could it be, right?
Wesley talked like the "under controlled circumstances" vampire dusting
he'd done was a new addition to the Watcher training curriculum.
>
> >Same thing happens in armies during peacetime. The officers who learn
> >to play the political games, and spend their entire carreers in HQ are
> >the ones who become generals. The officers who actually go out and get
> >muddy with the troops rarely make it above colonel. It takes a war and
> >getting a lot of troops killed by stupid orders from HQ to clear the
> >morons out of the chain of command again.
>
> The problem with the Watcher's Council being that their main troops
> are Slayers. There's only one at a time, and whenever one of them
> dies another pops up. And the Council doesn't have to undergo
> scrutiny from the President or members of the public, either. So
> they really have no particular reason to shape up.
>
> Pete
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