Forensic Involvements and Corrupt Authorities
PM0Inquiry
Are the eye-witness-accounts of the Nuremberg-trials and in the
holocaust li-
terature in accordance with the laws of nature? To find out more, we
invite you
a) to read the Leuchter - Report
http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html
b) the Rudolf - Report and
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html#Top
c) the Luftl - Report
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html
d) to examine Auschwitz-Photographs
http://www.air-photo.com
http://www.air-photo.com/english/1999_mark.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n5p-4_SWC.html
e) to examine the Ground Radar Investigation of Treblinka
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/treblinka.htm
ee) http://www.nazigassings.com
f) to do your own investigation into - of the alleged
Auschwitz-Gas-chambers by
organizing an investigation-team of forensic archaeologists, -
chemists, - architects, -engineers, - draftsmen, historians, legal
experts and students at your university and
g) to compare your personal findings with the ones of Leuchter,Rudolf
and Luftl.
h) do that what this fellow is doing:
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Iran/2006.htm
http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Iran/conference1.htm
To discuss these matters on an expert-level, please contact Engineer
Mr. Friedrich Paul Berg on: hoaxb...@earthlink.net
E-mails to contact the expert Dr. Germar Rudolf in Jail:
ne...@vho.org & ta...@tadp.org & Reporter...@aol.com
· http://vho.org/Authors/Germar_RudolfE.html
http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forensicinvolve/start
Please, add this web-site to your links on your web-site!
http://www.yourforum.org/revforum/index.php
Here the opinion of an Australian WW II - Veteran about this
suspicious matter and what he wants to do, to solve this
controversial problem:
http://www.aijf.org/update_letter.html
http://www.aijf.org http://aijf.org/
The Historian as Detective Verses The Journalist As Investigator:
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/terezin.html
Does suppression of discussion in this manner and forbidden history
serve the corruption of Authorities, especially the corrupt
foundation-mythology of the Zionist State of Israel against the
Palestinian People? To this please read as follows-:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n6p30_Heikal.html
http://www.rense.com/general45/race.htm
http://www.tarpley.net/bush4.htm
Authorities which suppress discussions and investigations into the
above-named matters are suspicious in covering up the frauds of
yesterday, just as much as today and as tomorrow! To find out more
about this through investigation, Mr. Bradley R. Smith, the Director
of CODOH needs your help and support. Please give him all the
financial means, you can make available for him, so he and his team
can carry out more forensic examinations, to establish the important
Truth for us all, because only the Truth will set us free!
Mr. Bradley R. Smith runs a Campus Project. Please support his work:
http://www.codoh.com/campus/campus.html
Please tell CODOH, that it is a good idea to establish a Forensic-.
Sociology- & History Academy, to solve Mythology, Propaganda,
Religious Belief and Fraud in History. You may be able to sponsor
such an Academy.
Please find out more, how you can help Mr. Smith on following
Web-Pages:
http://www.codoh.com/newsite/index2.html
http://www.codoh.com/newsite/ahowyoucanhelp.html
Bradley R. Smith, Director of the Committee Open Debate of
Holocausts/CODOH
P. O. Box 439016
San Ysidro CA 92143
USA
e-mail: mai...@codoh.com & bsm...@prodigy.net.mx
USA-Telephone: 619 203 3151 Voice Mail: 619 685 2163
Please distribute this pamphlet and mention Mr. Bradley R. Smith in
your will. This paper is published on:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/Forensicinvolve/messages?msg=11.1
Charles Lincoln
be a better forum than this one for such things. If you want to take a
controversial stand on something that will not be widely accepted, why don't
you focus on affirming the real world existence of vampires or denying Neil
Armstrong's moonwalk or something at least remotely relevant and on topic?
"PM0Inquiry" <pmin...@alumnidirector.com> wrote in message
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Dave Oldridge
news:1147145377.0...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Forensic Involvements and corrupt Authorities
>
> Are the eye-witness-accounts of the Nuremberg-trials and in the
> holocaust li-
> terature in accordance with the laws of nature? To find out more, we
> invite you
> a) to read the Leuchter - Report
> http://www.ihr.org/books/leuchter/leuchter.toc.html
You sound like a Nazi to me. The only thing Nazis are good for is daisy-
pushing. Go push some.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
!Jones
"Charles Lincoln" <charles....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Denying the holocaust requires creativity, I suppose [...] why don't
>you focus on affirming the real world existence of vampires or denying Neil
>Armstrong's moonwalk or something ...
Good Day, Mr. Lincoln;
Of course one cannot explicitly deny that an event of mass murder
known as "the holocaust" occurred; however, one must view this event
against the historical context in which it happened. One must recall
that the backdrop of the "holocaust" was an event many times more
bloody and destructive than whatever happened to the Jewish population
of Europe, namely World War II, wherein mass murder was fairly common…
given that fire bombing a city would be called an act of murder.
During WWII, somewhere between 60 and 90 million people died as a
direct result of the war. Catholics and Methodists also died in WWII.
The Jewish people were certainly involved in the war; why should they
be exempt?
After the First World War, Germany wasn't treated well in the Treaty
of Versailles, which levied a huge debt. During the Great Depression,
Germany's neighbors shored up the German economy by holding the value
of the mark at artificially high rates of exchange. Arbitrage was
strictly forbidden as were Swiss bank accounts. The Jewish
population, being a super-national entity, was in a unique position to
take advantage of the disparity in rates of currency exchange. During
the first half of the 1930's, the German population was literally
starving; however, their Jewish neighbors were doing quite well, thank
you very much… acquiring collections of art and looting the economy to
their Swiss bank accounts.
Thus, when the Nazis came to power, the *people* decided that it was
time for some payback. Essentially, it was very popular to ship the
Jews off to where ever. There weren't enough Nazis to have
accomplished the task without the help of the Boy Scouts and the
Kiwanis Ladies Auxiliary.
My point here is that the European Jews were full participants in the
events; they weren't crying during the good times.
Another point is that the 6 million figure for Jewish deaths is based
on known populations before and after the war. If one were to
extrapolate the expected Jewish population based on their growth in
the 30's, then it was roughly 6 million fewer than expected. Well,
good grief! By that logic, over a quarter of a billion people died
during WWII. It's pretty well documented that about a million Jews
were, in fact, murdered in Germany and Poland… no small act of murder,
that, IMO. It is my belief that the Jewish people were a *long* way
from "innocent" in the matter.
Jones
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
!Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
hello buttwipe
(screed flushed)
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if you meet buddha on the usenet killfile him
!Jones
rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>In article <9bpu725m36gpapgfm...@4ax.com>,
> !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>hello buttwipe
Why, hello! And pleased to meet you, also!
Jones
The Milk of Human Kindness
here who I ran across!
Hey, Jonsey! Where the fuck you been, boy? We thought you'd skated
off to Iraq or someplace.
foo
white...@msn.com
Shit or get off the pot.
Michael Ragland
!Jones wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 04:31:09 GMT, in alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer
> "Charles Lincoln" <charles....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Denying the holocaust requires creativity, I suppose [...] why don't
> >you focus on affirming the real world existence of vampires or denying Neil
> >Armstrong's moonwalk or something ...
>
> Good Day, Mr. Lincoln;
>
> Of course one cannot explicitly deny that an event of mass murder
> known as "the holocaust" occurred; however, one must view this event
> against the historical context in which it happened. One must recall
> that the backdrop of the "holocaust" was an event many times more
> bloody and destructive than whatever happened to the Jewish population
> of Europe, namely World War II, wherein mass murder was fairly common...
> given that fire bombing a city would be called an act of murder.
>
> During WWII, somewhere between 60 and 90 million people died as a
> direct result of the war. Catholics and Methodists also died in WWII.
> The Jewish people were certainly involved in the war; why should they
> be exempt?
>
> After the First World War, Germany wasn't treated well in the Treaty
> of Versailles, which levied a huge debt. During the Great Depression,
> Germany's neighbors shored up the German economy by holding the value
> of the mark at artificially high rates of exchange. Arbitrage was
> strictly forbidden as were Swiss bank accounts. The Jewish
> population, being a super-national entity, was in a unique position to
> take advantage of the disparity in rates of currency exchange. During
> the first half of the 1930's, the German population was literally
> starving; however, their Jewish neighbors were doing quite well, thank
> you very much... acquiring collections of art and looting the economy to
> their Swiss bank accounts.
>
> Thus, when the Nazis came to power, the *people* decided that it was
> time for some payback. Essentially, it was very popular to ship the
> Jews off to where ever. There weren't enough Nazis to have
> accomplished the task without the help of the Boy Scouts and the
> Kiwanis Ladies Auxiliary.
>
> My point here is that the European Jews were full participants in the
> events; they weren't crying during the good times.
>
> Another point is that the 6 million figure for Jewish deaths is based
> on known populations before and after the war. If one were to
> extrapolate the expected Jewish population based on their growth in
> the 30's, then it was roughly 6 million fewer than expected. Well,
> good grief! By that logic, over a quarter of a billion people died
> during WWII. It's pretty well documented that about a million Jews
> were, in fact, murdered in Germany and Poland... no small act of murder,
!Jones
Human Kindness" <foo03...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Whazzup foo...
Haven't seen you around in a while. I was over in the Skummies the
other day and it was pretty sparce.
Jones
foo03...@yahoo.com
you were right when you said it'd be a clusterfuck.
!Jones
foo03...@yahoo.com wrote:
>Your chaps are takin a serious beatin in that Iraq thing. Looks like
>you were right when you said it'd be a clusterfuck.
Yeah, it's been a bad week any way you cut it. methinks that the best
way to "support our troops" is to elect an administration that'll call
it what it is and get them out of there.
Hey, know the major difference between Iraq and Vietnam?
Answer: Bush had a *plan* to get out of Vietnam!!!
Jones
!Jones
was a positive note for their war effort... that is, if one accepts
anything about this as "positive". It's just way too little and way
too late; the war is already lost. IMO, it was lost when the US
invaded an innocent country in retaliation for 911. As I was pretty
sure would happen, the US is now seen worldwide as an aggressor,
terrorist nation and Zarqawi is a freedom fighting martyr. That's
what comes from empire-building, I suppose.
Jones
On 4 Jun 2006 04:32:41 -0700, in alt.war.vietnam
Kurt Knoll
themselves a democratic country. But it sure does not look that way.
Kurt Knoll.
"!Jones" <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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!Jones
Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>America was involved in more than 88 conflict since 1910 and they calling
>themselves a democratic country. But it sure does not look that way.
>
>Kurt Knoll.
Oh, the US is a democracy; we just don't recognize anyone else's
freedom to choose how to live.
Jones
Pepperoni
> Oh, the US is a democracy; we just don't recognize anyone else's
> freedom to choose how to live.
>
> Jones
The US is a Republic. You should understand that, living in Tejas.
Strange crosspost list, Jonesy. Did you invite us into this mess? If you
strike Life, send 'em over to the Scummies.
Kurt Knoll
It is American lives that are killed every day. America can thank Israel for
the turmoil it is engaged in.
Kurt Knoll.
"!Jones" <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Al Smith
>>>It is American lives that are killed every day. America can thank Israel for
>>>the turmoil it is engaged in.
>
>
You may characterize him in this way, but what in his post was
untrue? Nothing. America is indeed seen as Israel's lackey in the
Middle East. America is in part doing Israel's dirty work for it,
although Israel shows no compunction about committing atrocities
of its own. Americans are getting killed as a result, fighting in
an unnecessary war. To a large extent, the threat of terrorism
against America, and the wars fought by Americans in Afghanistan
and Iraq, are the result of America's support for Israel.
Al Smith
>>
>>>
>
>
>>>although Israel shows no compunction about committing atrocities
>>>of its own.
>
>
> protecting them, they're all dead. What do we do with them? I'm all ears!
When did it become America's job to look after the six million
(why it is always six million?) Jews in Israel? Where was America
when the whites in South Africa and Rhodesia were getting
hammered? Let the Jews in Israel look after themselves. They got
themselves into the mess they are in -- let them deal with it, and
accept the consequences for whatever they do.
Kurt Knoll
what do you believe in or do you believe all of it just like the naive bible
bushing fanatics.
kaka
"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:21:46 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>
>>Just in case you do not know it Jews are creating their own hatred no two
>>ways about it. Have a good look at what the balfour agreement was all
>>about
>>and how it lead to today's situation the world is in right now.
>
> Ya, ya, I know. The Holocaust never happened. :-\
> --
> Bob
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>> As I was pretty sure would happen, the US is now seen worldwide as an aggressor,
>>terrorist nation and Zarqawi is a freedom fighting martyr. That's
>>what comes from empire-building, I suppose.
>
>Just say it Jonesy! You lost one of your greatest friends and heroes in
>Zarqawi. Simply uttering "Freedom" and "Zarqawi" in the same breath is
>radical ultra-Leftist, despicable, and outrageous.
Well, yeah... I mean, he signed my high school yearbook:
"To !Jones... yer a great Muslim fundamentalist and a really swell
guy... always yer pal!!!"
Pretty standard fare, this, Mr. Adkins. If I don't agree with every
half baked idea you spout, then I'm a terrorist. To be honest, I
can't tell the freedom fighters from the foreign terrorists. It
sounds to me like we traveled farther to get there.
Lloyd Jones
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:03:56 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>
>>The world sees America as a Israeli Lackey doing the dirty work for Israel.
>>It is American lives that are killed every day. America can thank Israel for
>>the turmoil it is engaged in.
>
>Spoken like a true UN Jew hater.
Well, no, it doesn't sound like he's fond of Jews; moreover, he ended
a sentence with a preposition, which is something up with which I will
not put. But... all things considered, I'd call it an accurate
statement.
Lloyd Jones
!Jones
Amen!!!
Lloyd Jones
Ben Cramer
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:01:57 GMT, Al Smith <inv...@address.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Spoken like a true UN Jew hater.
>>
>
>>although Israel shows no compunction about committing atrocities
>>of its own.
>
> quit
> protecting them, they're all dead. What do we do with them? I'm all
> ears!
Since when has the welfare of Israeli's been the sole responsibility of the
US? Why do the Israeli's not take responsibility for their own welfare.
The country was fraudulently created as a homeland for these people, yet the
majority of them choose to live elsewhere.
If all Jews were to live in the land created for them, adopt a more
reasonable attitude toward the Arabs, forget about this "chosen people"
bullshit, and act like decent human beings, they might just find they'd
survive quite nicely.
Yaketyak
good thing too or the murdering muslim fanatics would have butchered
them all years ago.. but you germans already know that.. you gomers
sided with the goat pokers during WWll.
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:11:12 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net>
wrote:
>Israelis do not have to butcher the Palestinians the do have weapons of mass
>destructions as well Americas satellite information's including all the
>modern weapons supplied by the Americans.
>
>Kurt Knoll.
>
>"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
>news:930p825e2hfco8oug...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:21:18 GMT, "Kurt Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>>
>>>This is not the end of all of it as long some countries in the middle east
>>>are a threat to Israelis security the Americans will say this nations are
>>>a
>>>threat to Americas interest meaning actually Israelis interests.
>>
>> Somehow, I think we have a lot more in common with Israeli's than
>> Muslim's.
>> Israeli's do not butcher innocents like they were goats just to make
>> political statements. I have no sympathy for barbarians that slaughter
>> innocents. If they showed a shred of humanity, I would feel much
>> differently.
>> --
>> Bob
>
Kurt Knoll
Kurt Knoll.
"Yaketyak" <yake...@dontcomeback.gov> wrote in message
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!Jones
Osborn wrote:
>Where did you find these guys, !jones? Were they buried in a
>Birmingham time capsule back in the '60s?
AWV got too boring, so I decided to troll the Buffy groups... it's
more fun than the faggots.
Jones
!Jones
<yake...@dontcomeback.gov> wrote:
>
>
>
>good thing too or the murdering muslim fanatics would have butchered
>them all years ago.. but you germans already know that.. you gomers
>sided with the goat pokers during WWll.
If we'd have has any sense, we'd have listened to the people who said
that we ought to throw in with Germany. It would have been a
slam-dunk. The US, Germany, and Japan could have divided up the
world... and you *wamt* what's good for the US, right?
Lloyd Jones
!Jones
Osborn wrote:
>Where did you find these guys, !jones? Were they buried in a
>Birmingham time capsule back in the '60s?
Oh, yeah... we ordered a Hobie kayak! It'll be a while 'fore we get
it, though.
Jones
!Jones
>I always know what to expect from you too, Jones. When controversy arises,
>you always side against your country and countrymen. On close calls, we
>don't even rate the benefit of the doubt. You don't even recognize that
>sometimes good people do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
Actually, I will tend to play the "devil's advocate" in that, whatever
way the lemmings are racing, I will usually ask if there isn't a
better alternative. The US ran headlong into an utterly elective war,
following a leader who opted out of the last engagement and a social
leadership who views war as being fought by someone else... to
illustrate: count the number of members of congress who have an
immediate family member currently serving in a combat role. None come
to my mind; although there may exist a few.
While I am not a supporter of Kerry's politics, he did actually put
his *own* sweet ass in the line of fire in Vietnam. His PH may have
been a cheap one, but, you gotta admit, that's the best kind to get
given that you're gonna get one. Our leaders today... at least our
upcoming crop... lead from the rear. The generation who fought Hitler
are quickly going on to glory and we're left with a crop of "wannabes"
who are preaching tax cuts during a war... whatever is popular.
Yeah, I'll support going after OBL, but I won't follow anyone who I do
not believe has counted the cost and articulated the *personal*
sacrifice it will take to get the job done. This means paying for the
war as we go and *that* means a tax increase and a reduction in other
spending. It means that *you* will have less money to spend and I
doubt that your bumper sticker patriotism quite extends to personal
sacrifice.
So... I'll support the war if you'll support paying for it *now*...
that's about half a million dollars an hour. If we doubled the
current tax rate, it wouldn't cover it. Are you still keen on the
war, sir?
Lloyd Jones
Tom Lacombe
wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:29:13 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Are you still keen on the war, sir?
>
>Jones, the only regrets I have about the war is that it has lasted so long.
>
>In retrospect, maybe we should have bombed and starved Saddam's Iraq into
>submission, returning them to the 10th century. But no, the stinky anti-war
>bunch would scream "Cruelty"... as though Saddam wasn't already stealing
>all the UN money and starving his people.
>
>If we had left Saddam in power, the US led coalition and the UN would have
>looked like patsies (OKl, the UN is anyway). Losing a war or being
>sanctioned by the civilized world would then mean zilch. A megalomaniacal
>Saddam would still be a huge threat to the region, and a ticking time bomb;
>a cancer waiting to metastasize.
>
>But you knew all of that Jones. The difference in you and me is that your
>ideology will not allow you to acknowledge the truth. My ideology is fully
>dependent on the truth.
I voted my ideology a few minutes ago. Jim Webb is running for the
Democratic Nomination to run for Senate in Virginia. If he wins
today, I hope he can take Allen, and we'll have one more vote for what
I consider sanity. Unfortunately only 7 voters so far at my polling
place, after 7 hours. It kind of ticks me off the way we Americans
take our vote for granted. The fate of the nation is at stake, young
men and women losing their lives, and one vote per hour, yet for
American Idol the votes come in by the millions.
redjacket
"Tom Lacombe" <tlac...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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That last sentence is true and how it hurts !
Ouch.
Mac
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I will admit that Bush was correct in saying that Zarqawi's killing
was a positive note for their war effort... that is, if one accepts
anything about this as "positive". It's just way too little and way
too late; the war is already lost.
*******************************
Can someone explain the sense of the cross-posting on this topic?
---Mac
redjacket
"Mac" <NoSpa...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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" Someone " said that one girl in the Buffy series made a porno movie, not
true.
Ok, so the story must be *revised
It lookes like Buffies buddy since I seen it in, *First Time Swallows.*
There are rumors of commie Vampires in Kontum Province and someone
just has to write the story on that. If we put all this together we can
cross
post this shit to others.
In fact order a pizza and add the, alt.pizza.delivery NG for more flavor.
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:29:13 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Are you still keen on the war, sir?
>
>Jones, the only regrets I have about the war is that it has lasted so long.
>
>In retrospect, maybe we should have bombed and starved Saddam's Iraq into
>submission, returning them to the 10th century. But no, the stinky anti-war
>bunch would scream "Cruelty"... as though Saddam wasn't already stealing
>all the UN money and starving his people.
>
>If we had left Saddam in power, the US led coalition and the UN would have
>looked like patsies (OKl, the UN is anyway). Losing a war or being
>sanctioned by the civilized world would then mean zilch. A megalomaniacal
>Saddam would still be a huge threat to the region, and a ticking time bomb;
>a cancer waiting to metastasize.
>
>But you knew all of that Jones. The difference in you and me is that your
>ideology will not allow you to acknowledge the truth. My ideology is fully
>dependent on the truth.
The reason I opposed the war is because of simplistic mindsets like
yours. You have demonstrated well that "the first casualty of a war
is the truth." One does not bring peace to a region by invading it.
I tend to agree with you regarding Saddam; however, at his *worst*,
the Iraqis and the region were far better off that they are today.
The pre-war Iraqi government wasn't exactly a good political entity,
but it was infinitely better than the smoking crater that we now
have... at least there *was* a functioning government of sorts.
In the same paragraph where you fault Saddam for "starving his
people", you suggest that *we* "should have bombed and starved
Saddam's Iraq into submission, returning them to the 10th century" ...
and then you go on to say that your " ideology is fully dependent on
the truth[!]" It sounds dependent on hypocrisy to me.
Lloyd Jones
!Jones
Lacombe <tlac...@shentel.net> wrote:
>I voted my ideology a few minutes ago. Jim Webb is running for the
>Democratic Nomination to run for Senate in Virginia. If he wins
>today, I hope he can take Allen, and we'll have one more vote for what
>I consider sanity. Unfortunately only 7 voters so far at my polling
>place, after 7 hours. It kind of ticks me off the way we Americans
>take our vote for granted. The fate of the nation is at stake, young
>men and women losing their lives, and one vote per hour, yet for
>American Idol the votes come in by the millions.
So, who did you vote for... on AI, I mean?
Lloyd Jones
DavidtheNavigator
I dunno pizza sounds good and Singha to wash it down.
Ben Cramer
>
> long.
>
> In retrospect, maybe we should have bombed and starved Saddam's Iraq into
> submission, returning them to the 10th century. But no, the stinky
> anti-war
> bunch would scream "Cruelty"... as though Saddam wasn't already stealing
> all the UN money and starving his people.
>
> If we had left Saddam in power, the US led coalition and the UN would have
> looked like patsies (OKl, the UN is anyway). Losing a war or being
> sanctioned by the civilized world would then mean zilch. A megalomaniacal
> Saddam would still be a huge threat to the region, and a ticking time
> bomb;
> a cancer waiting to metastasize.
>
> But you knew all of that Jones. The difference in you and me is that your
> ideology will not allow you to acknowledge the truth. My ideology is
> fully
> dependent on the truth.
The Middle East was a hell of a lot more peaceful until the stupid Yanks
decided to attack Iraq. Not going to get any better, either.
Can you say VietNam rev. II?
>
> --
> Bob
!Jones
Osborn wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:44:54 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Lloyd Jones
>
>Your middle initial isn't 'B' by any chance?
>
>
>-- msosborn at msosborn dot com
Well, me friends do sometimes call me "Long Binh" Jones, in fact...
why do you ask?
Hey, zat e-mail work, Matt? I got a picture for you.
Jones
!Jones
No, no, NO! It's not like Vietnam at *all*. George Bush *knew* how
to get out of Vietnam!
Jones
Ben Cramer
"!Jones" <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hrsv82tdv3njhotjc...@4ax.com...
He certainly did.
There are parallels however. Such as, everyone else is doing the fighting.
Tom Lacombe
<[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
foe to do. They fight this asymetrical war, and we get mired down
into putting out fires here then over there. This is very much like
Vietnam. One thing we had learned from Vietnam was to use
overwhelming force. Rumsfeld and Bush decided we could get away with
a small force in Iraq. I don't think this will work.
Espen Schjønberg
> "!Jones" <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hrsv82tdv3njhotjc...@4ax.com...
>>
>>No, no, NO! It's not like Vietnam at *all*. George Bush *knew* how
>>to get out of Vietnam!
>
>
> He certainly did.
>
> There are parallels however. Such as, everyone else is doing the fighting.
I am on the "not like Vietnam at all" side.
In Vietnam you didn't let the enemy keep their infected believes if they
wanted to switch side. I mean, there was no such thing as "communists,
supporting freedom".
You know what I mean.
--
Espen
There is Something Wrong[tm]
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 02:44:54 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>and then you go on to say that your " ideology is fully dependent on
>>the truth[!]" It sounds dependent on hypocrisy to me.
>
>Nope. No hypocrisy here. Sometimes we must sacrifice a few for the good of
>the many. Sometimes things get so serious that you almost have to throw the
>baby out with the bath water. Nobody likes to hurt people, but sometimes the
>alternative is far worse.
>
>I think a "simplistic" view of the world makes more sense than being
>"nunaced" on everything. There really is right and wrong, and your "moral
>relativism" is as wrong as it gets.
Of course, you'd have a moral issue if someone from another ideology
adopted your own argument. I would appeal to an absolute sense of
"right and wrong"; I would suggest that Mideasterners have a right to
settle their own affairs. I suggest that a people may well reject
democracy in favor of a system of government of their own choosing...
which is what the Iraqi people are now doing.
Jones
!Jones
Well, the US has always fought wars by proxy.
Say, I didn't note any ground swell of moral opposition when Tony
committed UK troops to Iraq. So... the going gets tough and you want
to bug out? Oh, well... so will our own "bumper sticker patriots"!
*That* is why I opposed the war... I knew that we wouldn't have the
stomach for it in the long run. I say: If yer gonna give up, then do
so early on!
Jones
!Jones
Lacombe <tlac...@shentel.net> wrote:
>The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
>is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
>always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
>foe to do. They fight this asymetrical war, and we get mired down
>into putting out fires here then over there. This is very much like
>Vietnam. One thing we had learned from Vietnam was to use
>overwhelming force. Rumsfeld and Bush decided we could get away with
>a small force in Iraq. I don't think this will work.
You don't go toe to toe with the US military... that's suicide.
!Jones
Yeah, and... in the end, communist tanks rolled into Saigon.
Prediction: Baghdad is governed by a literal interpretation of the
Koran by the end of the decade.
There will probably be some differences; however, I don't see that
they're very important.
Jones
0:->
Hi Jonesie. Still consider yourself the most clever troll in all of Webdom?
Think you can con the folks here?
I'll bite, just for old time's sake.
What do you consider a "long run" militarily?
We seem to have been in Iraq a bit longer than we were in, say Grenada
or Panama.
And we seem to be hanging out in Afghanistan for some time now.
Give us your empty pointless response calculated to elicit other's
responses, even though you don't care and are just playing with the bait
to see what you can hook.
:->
--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)
Ben Cramer
Overwhelming force didn't work in VietNam either. Won't ever again, I'm
afraid. Tactics of warfare have changed forever. No more the open field tank
battles, with advancing infantry following them. All sneaky, backhanded
stuff from here on in.
Ben Cramer
Oh, I don't know. They've not got a terribly good winning record. Even a few
darkies in Mogadishu managed to rout them, and send them home with their
tails between their legs.
Ben Cramer
"Espen Schjønberg" <ess...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:e6p6js$5ra$1...@readme.uio.no...
Agreed, to a point. There is no lifestyle dogma differential between the
forces the US are fighting this time. They are all Muslims, and share a
common belief and ideology.
The parallels with VietNam which I see, is the Yanks attemtpt to fight a
conventional type war, against an enemy who has absolutely no intention of
playing by those rules.
Very difficult to defeat an enemy who won't play by your rules.
Ben Cramer
Democracy to these people, is an alien concept. They can't, nor will they,
get their heads around it.
i2p6 west
>
> The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
> is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
> always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
> foe to do.
IMO, the very FACT that they do fight against such "incredible" weaponry
is strong evidence that they are right and we Americans are wrong.
i.e. We are the bad guys.
Ben Cramer
"i2p6 west" <nos...@rr.net> wrote in message
news:1292657...@corp.supernews.com...
> Tom Lacombe wrote:
>>
>> The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
>> is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
>> always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
>> foe to do.
>
> IMO, the very FACT that they do fight against such "incredible" weaponry
> is strong evidence that they are right and we Americans are wrong.
> i.e. We are the bad guys.
They continue to fight, because they dislike being occupied, and they see
their efforts as being successful.
leto...@nospam.net
>Tom Lacombe wrote:
>>
>> The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
>> is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
>> always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
>> foe to do.
>IMO, the very FACT that they do fight against such "incredible" weaponry
>is strong evidence that they are right and we Americans are wrong. i.e.
>We are the bad guys.
You don't defeat "ideas," like driving a foreign army out of "your"
country with weaponry. Its just one of the lessons of other wars,
including Vietnam that some still refuse to get.
All you can do is either annihilate the indigenous peoples, or put so many
troops on the ground that no one can move without us knowing it. bush
would have to have a draft for that kind of man power.
He lacks the courage to call for one. Thus, our people are dying for
nothing in a war that can't be won -- and bush and his neo-cons know it.
!Jones
<pohak...@gmail.com> wrote:
>!Jones wrote:
>
>Hi Jonesie. Still consider yourself the most clever troll in all of Webdom?
Oh, I dabble at a troll every then and now; however, of late, I have
had scant time for it, I fear. 'Sides, the skummies have pretty well
dissolved leaving mothing but childish flooders.
>Think you can con the folks here?
I dunno... which one is "here"?
>I'll bite, just for old time's sake.
>
>What do you consider a "long run" militarily?
Three years without progress will work for me... what's your
definition?
Jones
!Jones
Oh, I mean line up and slug it out with tanks & shit... fight *our*
kind of war, I mean. I don't know why some suggest thet the enemy
should.
Jones
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>Hey, I agree we have no right to foist our values on another society.
>However, we do not live in a vacuum. When a nasty dictator threatens our
>friends, our safety, and our economy, it's criminal not to remove him.
Fine, but Iraq wasn't a threat to us.
Jones
Ben Cramer
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:00:58 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>I think a "simplistic" view of the world makes more sense than being
>>>"nunaced" on everything. There really is right and wrong, and your "moral
>>>relativism" is as wrong as it gets.
>>
>>Of course, you'd have a moral issue if someone from another ideology
>>adopted your own argument. I would appeal to an absolute sense of
>>"right and wrong"; I would suggest that Mideasterners have a right to
>>settle their own affairs. I suggest that a people may well reject
>>democracy in favor of a system of government of their own choosing...
>>which is what the Iraqi people are now doing.
>
> However, we do not live in a vacuum. When a nasty dictator threatens our
> friends, our safety, and our economy, it's criminal not to remove him.
So? When do you remove Dubya?
Ben Cramer
It was to Ersatz Israel.
Ben Cramer
Those types of war are history, Mate. What we see currently, is what we're
going to get in the future.
i2p6 west
> In <1292657...@corp.supernews.com>, on 06/15/2006
> at 01:28 AM, i2p6 west <nos...@rr.net> said:
>
>
>
>
>>Tom Lacombe wrote:
>>
>>>The thing about Iraq and Afghanistan that is driving our troops nuts
>>>is that you don't have an enemy that stands and fights. You are
>>>always chasing shadows. When your weaponry is so incredible, what's a
>>>foe to do.
>
>
>>IMO, the very FACT that they do fight against such "incredible" weaponry
>>is strong evidence that they are right and we Americans are wrong. i.e.
>>We are the bad guys.
>
>
>
> You don't defeat "ideas," like driving a foreign army out of "your"
> country with weaponry. Its just one of the lessons of other wars,
> including Vietnam that some still refuse to get.
I hope U.S. warmongering fails, but military occupations have succeeded before.
(e.g. the U.S. conquest of the Philippines)
!Jones
They just weren't, sir. They were disarmed per the UN resolutions
that ended GW1; moreover, the UN had weapons inspectors crawling all
over the country with microscopes. Iraq had no weapons.
Jones
!Jones
Yeah, I agree.
!Jones
There are *lots* of people in the world who think he's a threat and
they may be right. The US has invaded more countries than any other
country on the face of the planet except England.
Jones
Kurt Knoll
manipulation. There was a good relationship with Iraq and Kuwait till the
Americans did get involved. The Kuwaitis have been exploited to get a war
going. Is it not typical for the Americans to get involved with someone they
can use and then their excuse would certainly be that American interest are
at danger here. America has been involved in about 86 conflict since the
beginning of the 19 century and this certainly has nothing to do with being
a freedom loving nations. The Catholic church did the same thing in the
middle ages by getting whole nation monopolized in their holey wars.
Kurt Knoll.
"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:01r59219d3lce7aud...@4ax.com...
> What part of invading Kuwait and shooting at our planes was not a threat?
>
> Get with the program Jones. That's party line horse shit, and you know it.
>
> If Saddam were not addressed and had sponsored another 9/11 style attack,
> the President, the CIA, and the Pentagon would have been keel hauled, and
> deservedly so. You would have been the first in line to yell "GROSS
> INCOMPETENCE!". I can say that with 100% certainty.
>
> Some people would rather the Bush Administration fail than to protect our
> people. You should be ashamed.
> --
> Bob
Espen Schjønberg
>>seriously. Knowing what we know now, we have no other choice but to react.
>
> Now tell us when was it that Iraq declared war on America and what was the
> reason behind it. We all know Iraq was not behind 9/11 so what is you
> excuse.
After all, it _is_ posted to the newsgroup alt.revisionism.
Go figure.
--
Espen
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>> The US has invaded more countries than any other
>>country on the face of the planet except England.
>
>Good. Better to be #2 than #3! :)
>
>The lesson of 9/11 was this:
>
>When a country or faction declares war on America, we must take it very
>seriously. Knowing what we know now, we have no other choice but to react.
Perhaps; however, by your logic, we may well have invaded Mexico in
retaliation for Pearl Harbor. To the best of my knowledge, there were
no Iraqis involved in 911. Saddam wasn't particularly chummy with
that bunch, either.
Jones
!Jones
Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
>>Fine, but Iraq wasn't a threat to us.
>
>
>What part of invading Kuwait [...] was not a threat?
I said that he wasn't a threat to us (meaning the United States). The
Kuwait issue was handled by an international response as it should
have been. I didn't have any problem with it. This one is entirely a
US show... with a few dozen Limeys thrown in so that we can call it a
"coalition" and still keep a straight face.
>What part of [...] shooting at our planes was not a threat?
The part where US aircraft were flying over Iraq, dropping bombs and
shooting at Iraqi aircraft. I expect that you'd take a dim view of
Iraqi aircraft bombing your neighborhood... I know *I* would. Had
they shot at a US aircraft in international air space, then you'd have
a point.
Jones
Jones
!Jones
Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>The Catholic church did the same thing in the
>middle ages by getting whole nation monopolized in their holey wars.
Well, duuuh! What'd you want 'em to do? Let everyone there go to
hell?
Jones
Kurt Knoll
kknews:tj46921h9nhksr1mo...@4ax.com...
Latrine Orderly Canadian War Library
jihadis in Corpus Christi
"Bob Adkins" <bo...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:oer592tcf1rvoebtf...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:42:51 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The US has invaded more countries than any other
> >country on the face of the planet except England.
>
> Good. Better to be #2 than #3! :)
>
> The lesson of 9/11 was this:
>
> When a country or faction declares war on America, we must take it very
> seriously. Knowing what we know now, we have no other choice but to react.
>
>
> --
> Bob
leto...@nospam.net
>On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:42:51 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The US has invaded more countries than any other
>>country on the face of the planet except England.
>Good. Better to be #2 than #3! :)
>The lesson of 9/11 was this:
>When a country or faction declares war on America, we must take it very
>seriously. Knowing what we know now, we have no other choice but to
>react.
Psssssst! Osama is still running free, Saddam had no WMDs, and bush has
many lies and many idiots who love to drivel for him, like you.
Ben Cramer
They certainly didn't. But the yids saw Iraq as a bit of a loose cannon.
Ben Cramer
>>country on the face of the planet except England.
>
>
> The lesson of 9/11 was this:
>
> When a country or faction declares war on America, we must take it very
> seriously. Knowing what we know now, we have no other choice but to react.
It would help considerably, if the US would try to understand what drove the
attack on the WTC.
Ben Cramer
Big problem is, they fuck up most invasions. They couldn't even handle a few
darkies in Mogadishu.
Ben Cramer
<leto...@nospam.net> wrote in message news:%7Gkg.137$VF.38@trndny03...
I am firmly of the belief, that the US doesn't want bin Laden caught just
yet.
It's very convenient to have him running loose.
Ben Cramer
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:55:29 GMT, !Jones <lbj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
I don't suppose you've devoted any thought to just why the US was even in
the area? Nothing to do with them, actually.
It's a fact of life, that if you stick you nose in where it's not wanted,
you are likely to get it bloodied.
Forge
Bob Adkins <bo...@charter.net> wrote:
> What part of invading Kuwait and shooting at our planes was not a threat?
Invading ahem, KUWAIT was not a threat to the UNITED STATES. He shot at
our PLANES because our PLANES were flying over HIS COUNTRY. Frickin' DUH?
Forge
"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But the yids saw Iraq as a bit of a loose cannon.
That's funny, 'cuz their representation in the UN said we should wait
and see in regards to compliance with the resolutions.
Ben Cramer
"Forge" <fo...@diespammers.youneedageek.com> wrote in message
news:forge-262026....@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
When the Iraq war kicked off, one of the chief zionazis, Netanyahu stated
"This war is good for Israel".
!Jones
Cramer" <[remove]bencr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> They just weren't, sir. They were disarmed per the UN resolutions
>> that ended GW1; moreover, the UN had weapons inspectors crawling all
>> over the country with microscopes. Iraq had no weapons.
>
>They certainly didn't. But the yids saw Iraq as a bit of a loose cannon.
Israel was not in favor of a US invasion of Iraq. IMO, the reason
being that, if we bankrupted ourselves in the region as the USSR did
(and we very well might), then there' ll be less foreign aid for
Israel.
Jones
!Jones
Knoll" <kkn...@monarch.net> wrote:
>It's non of their business.
Your immortal soul is *GOD's* business and the church represents God,
right?
Jones