re: New online resource for writers
Xub...@gmail.com
Quentin Long here, announcing that my website for writers *is* *not*
*dead*! I've even updated it and everything! Two new items:
One: Info on the iUniverse publishing service has been added to the
"conventional publishing" page.
Item the second: The "online tools" page now has an entry on
OneLook.com, a dictionary website which commands the aggregate word
power of nearly 1,000 different dictionaries!
Feel free to surf on over and check it out -- and if you think the
site is worth supporting, click on any of the Google ads that look
interesting, not to mention any of the book titles and authors' names
(which happen to be Amazon.com-derived links).
Share and enjoy!
Xub...@gmail.com
writers: A mailing list. You gotta be a member to post messages to this
list, and spammers will *not* be tolerated. Let's see what sort of
dialog we can get going!
After you sign up for the mailing list, feel free to surf on over to
the actual Quentin's List website -- and if you think the site is worth
-Andy-
FYI: One message telling us about your site/list would have
been plenty... I see 5 so far...
> spammers will *not* be tolerated.
Kind of hypocritical... don't you think? You're allowed to
spam "us"? But you don't want it on your own list?
And yes, I did check out your website... and was pleasantly
surprised it DIDN'T have much advertizing (when I checked)
but I didn't really see anything there that I can't get (an
IMHO better) here or in several other fan fiction related
forums...
So I'm wondering what your "writer's help-site" has that I
missed?
-Andy-
--
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
-- Excepting Alice
BTR1701
Xub...@gmail.com wrote:
> Quentin Long here, announcing the latest addition to my website for
> writers: A mailing list. You gotta be a member to post messages to this
> list, and spammers will *not* be tolerated.
Behold the irony... a spammer claiming not to tolerate spam.
Xub...@gmail.com
> Xub...@gmail.com enlightened us with:
>
> FYI: One message telling us about your site/list would have
> been plenty... I see 5 so far...
ago plus change. For some reason, I doubt that you honestly think 5
posts in 7 months is an excessive level of activity; rather, I suspect
that what you're *really* concerned about is the fact that I just
posted twice in the span of a couple days. That's true enough, but the
dates on my posts suggest that this last flurry of activity is unusual
for me, and that my *normal* rate of posting is closer to 1 post every
week or two. Is *that* overly frequent?
> > spammers will *not* be tolerated.
>
> Kind of hypocritical... don't you think? You're allowed to
> spam "us"? But you don't want it on your own list?
If you define "spam" purely on the basis of frequency, I don't think
I post often enough to qualify -- if you've got a Breitbart index which
demonstrates otherwise, I'd be interested to see it. And if you define
"spam" on the basis of lack of relevance to the newsgroup's purpose in
life, I note that alt.tv.btvs.creative is all about writing fanfic; do
you seriously want to argue that posts about improving one's level of
writing skill are *not* relevant to writing fanfic? If you've got some
other definition of "spam", bring it out and demonstrate that my posts
fit that definition.
In short, I don't think I *am* spamming. YMMV.
> And yes, I did check out your website... and was pleasantly
> surprised it DIDN'T have much advertizing (when I checked)
> but I didn't really see anything there that I can't get (an
> IMHO better) here or in several other fan fiction related
> forums...
>
> So I'm wondering what your "writer's help-site" has that I
> missed?
Since I don't know what other online resources *you* are already
familiar with, nor do I know which pages you browsed, I really can't
say what my site has that *you* might have missed. So you could very
well be right that my site has nothing to offer *you*. That doesn't
mean my site has nothing to offer *other people*, of course. All I ask
is that people check out my site and see if it's helpful to them; if
somebody does that and (like you) comes to the conclusion that my site
*isn't* helpful to *them*... well... "you puts in your money and you
takes your chances", as the saying goes.
--
http://quentinslist.com (website)
http://groups.google.com/group/Quentins-List (mailing list)
-Andy-
> -Andy- wrote:
>> Xub...@gmail.com enlightened us with:
>>
>> FYI: One message telling us about your site/list would
>> have been plenty... I see 5 so far...
> Yep -- and the first of them was posted in January,
> i.e. 7 months ago plus change.
Hmmm... hadn't noticed that until you pointed this out.
They ALL show up under the same title in my newsreader.
> Is *that* overly frequent?
That's a subjective thing... if you said more than "here's
my site, come check it out..." and your title was
different, and you participated in this newsgroup... spam
would not have been the first thing that came to mind...
I just noted frequency in passing...
> If you define "spam" purely on the basis of frequency,
I don't. I judge "spam quaility" based on intent and
participation.
> And if you define "spam" on the basis of lack of
> relevance to the newsgroup's purpose in life, I
> note that alt.tv.btvs.creative is all about writing
> fanfic; do you seriously want to argue that posts
> about improving one's level of writing skill are *not*
> relevant to writing fanfic?
No. We have those kinds of discussions all the time around
here. But your post wasn't informative in that sense... it
didn't improve anyone's writing skills or offer any tips on
how to write better. You want us to "jump ship" and leave
our "writers colony" and go to yours. Based solely on your
claim that it'll be good for us. What do you have FOR us
that no-one else has? The Internet is a huge place...
what's your niche?
> In short, I don't think I *am* spamming. YMMV.
Which in this case is a subjective determination...
Your kind of message is acceptable to some, and not to
others. Personally? I generally ignore posts like yours
(and that annoying "buy tv mechandise" person who posts
every month).
>> So I'm wondering what your "writer's help-site" has
>> that I missed?
> Since I don't know what other online resources
> *you* are already familiar with, nor do I know
> which pages you browsed, I really can't say what
> my site has that *you* might have missed.
Well... clearly this was your chance to tell "us" what
your web site has to offer and to ask "us" what we
already have access to/use for writers resources. And
what we might want that we can't get elsewhere...
It's that whole "participation" thing I mentioned earlier.
There are a dozen or more people here, writers I know and
have read things by over the years, some professional, some
not, who have freely given me advice on things I've written
whom I'll continue to "listen to" (even if I don't always
agree with them) BECAUSE they participate here.
And that's pretty much all I have to say...
BTR1701
Xub...@gmail.com wrote:
> -Andy- wrote:
> > Xub...@gmail.com enlightened us with:
> >
> > FYI: One message telling us about your site/list would have
> > been plenty... I see 5 so far...
> Yep -- and the first of them was posted in January, i.e. 7 months
> ago plus change. For some reason, I doubt that you honestly think 5
> posts in 7 months is an excessive level of activity; rather, I suspect
> that what you're *really* concerned about is the fact that I just
> posted twice in the span of a couple days. That's true enough, but the
> dates on my posts suggest that this last flurry of activity is unusual
> for me, and that my *normal* rate of posting is closer to 1 post every
> week or two. Is *that* overly frequent?
>
> > > spammers will *not* be tolerated.
> >
> > Kind of hypocritical... don't you think? You're allowed to
> > spam "us"? But you don't want it on your own list?
> If you define "spam" purely on the basis of frequency,
We don't. Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction. Not
ads for your web site.
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI
: Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
: ads for your web site.
According to my own records I haven't posted fanfiction to this newsgroup
since March 2004, but I've posted near-weekly ads for my website since
1999 or so, one just this morning. Am I spamming?
Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com since 1995
http://members.iglou.com/scarfman/new.htm Fanfiction stories and cartoons.
http://www.arthurkingoftimeandspace.com New cartoons daily.
"I will accept the term 'vanity press' when we call the other method
'greed press'."
-Andy-
> BTR1701 <BTR...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>: Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you
> only do it once. This is a group to post and discuss
> Buffy fanfiction.
Strictly speaking... it's related to anything fan/creative
having to do with BtVS. Poems, fiction, photo
manipulations, vieos, music, whatever.
We just don't "allow" (aka approve of) posting of binaries
here so that limits what can show up...
> According to my own records I haven't posted fanfiction
> to this newsgroup since March 2004, but I've posted
> near-weekly ads for my website since 1999 or so, one just
> this morning. Am I spamming?
I guess I've (speaking ONLY for myself) never considered
them ads. They are "update notices" for your BtVS related
strips/comics/cartoons which you can't post here because of
their format. And that isn't the only thing you post
here... AND your website has BTVS fan fiction (or links to)
on it.
Lawrence Payne
news:BTR1702-2BE902...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> In article <1125004319....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> We don't. Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
> do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction. Not
> ads for your web site.
The irony, and shear comedy, of that statement is beyond belief.
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BTR1701
"Lawrence Payne" <payne_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "BTR1701" <BTR...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:BTR1702-2BE902...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> > In article <1125004319....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > We don't. Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
> > do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction. Not
> > ads for your web site.
>
> The irony, and shear comedy, of that statement is beyond belief.
It would help your insults if you could at least spell them correctly...
BTR1701
PAUL GADZIKOWSKI <scar...@iglou.com> wrote:
> BTR1701 <BTR...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> : Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
> : do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction. Not
> : ads for your web site.
>
> According to my own records I haven't posted fanfiction to this newsgroup
> since March 2004, but I've posted near-weekly ads for my website since
> 1999 or so, one just this morning. Am I spamming?
Yeah. (Also, note "post AND discuss)
Lawrence Payne
"BTR1701" <btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:btr1702-889B86...@news.giganews.com...
You would view that sentence as an insult. It is not an insult. Trust me
when I say, you will know when I insult you.
It does, however, point out your hypocrisy.
On a semi side note, I don't know what you and Andy are going on about. I'm
not with this Quentin Long guy (sounds like a made up name to me), and I
haven't checked out his site or joined his group. But as far as spam goes,
this is fairly on target. It's not 'See Paris Hilton Nude' or 'Message from
the Bank of Nowhere', but it is an ad for a creative writing site, and that
is what we do here. The site is advertised as being for writers of all
types. That's us. Buffy Creative is for all things creative that are Buffy
related, but the only thing we do here is write. Whether it's cartoons or
fics, it is all from the mind and pen of the creative fanfic writer. Is it
spam? Yes. Is it worth a bunch of post railing against it? No. But that's
just me.
Back to my point.
Whether it is spelled with and 'A' or spelled with an 'E' doesn't matter,
the sheer comedy of you calling someone else a spammer because he is
advertising a non-Buffy writing site here is hilarious. It's funny because
that is all you do. You only post ads to your site, and your site/story is
not Buffy related.
Every month or so we get an update notice about your story, and sometimes
you feed us useless info about your personal life in the process. I don't
care where you vacation at, and more importantly, you know nobody besides
you does. But your ego made you add that little fact into the mix to *try*
and impress people. I was not.
Also, if it were not for the one small excerpt you posted here recently
(excuse me reposted), you would be doing the exact same thing as him. But
in a way you still are. You have consistently defied our conventions and
standards. You make a point to say, 'to hell with the way the group does
things. I'll do whatever I want.' Case in point, your excerpt.
It had none of the usual formatting and labeling that we use here. No
subject line classifications, no pairings and no fic rating. In the story
itself, no label, no story setting, no Buffyverse timeline (i.e. which
season the story takes place in), no author's notes or summary, and I won't
even bother at ask what happened to the disclaimer. In fact, if your name
wasn't automatically placed in the postername field, no one would have known
it was your story.
Before you even start, yes your story has Buffyverse characters in it, but,
by your own admission, it is not something we (meaning readers and writers
of fanfiction) would be interested in.
Several months ago, in this thread [Are OC's the kiss-of-death in BtVS
fanfics?] you made a very clear point to say that you would not post your
larger story here. One of those reasons was because your "distinguished"
readers could get it from your site. We later learned of your desperate
need for fancy formatting options and pretty pictures to tell a story. Us
poor pathetic newsgroup readers don't have that, so no fic for us.
But the biggest reason why you claim your story will never be seen here is
because it is not fanfiction. You said it was your original work and that
it was only partially set in the Buffyverse and therefore it was not a
Buffyverse fic. You then said Joss had no hand in its creation other than
the name of your lead character.
Blood Prey is *not* a BtVS fanfiction story. You said so yourself. This
*is* a Buffy fanfiction newsgroup. The people who read from, and post to,
this newsgroup come here to read Buffy fanfiction. Something that you
already stated multiple times that you do not do.
So why should we care about your updates? They are spam just like this ad
is. And why get mad at someone else for posting a link to non-Buffy fanfic
site? You do it all the time. That is were the 'sheer' comedy and the
irony comes from.
--
My personal web site is still under construction. Until then you can read my
fanfiction at http://www.fanfiction.net/u/558957/ and
http://www.tthfanfic.com/authors.php?no=2755
BTR1701
"Lawrence Payne" <payne_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "BTR1701" <btr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:btr1702-889B86...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <1125083...@spool6-east.superfeed.net>,
> > "Lawrence Payne" <payne_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "BTR1701" <BTR...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >> news:BTR1702-2BE902...@news.east.earthlink.net...
> >> > In article <1125004319....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> >
>
>
> >> > We don't. Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you only
> >> > do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction. Not
> >> > ads for your web site.
> >>
> >> The irony, and shear comedy, of that statement is beyond belief.
> >
> > It would help your insults if you could at least spell them correctly...
>
> You would view that sentence as an insult. It is not an insult. Trust me
> when I say, you will know when I insult you.
Ah, geez... the chest-puffing has already commenced? I figured that to
be at least three responses away.
> It does, however, point out your hypocrisy.
I'm not sure "hypocrisy" means what you think it does.
> On a semi side note, I don't know what you and Andy are going on about. I'm
> not with this Quentin Long guy (sounds like a made up name to me), and I
> haven't checked out his site or joined his group. But as far as spam goes,
> this is fairly on target. It's not 'See Paris Hilton Nude' or 'Message from
> the Bank of Nowhere', but it is an ad for a creative writing site, and that
> is what we do here.
You said it yourself: it's an ad. That's all it takes to qualify as spam.
Over in the main Buffy group, people post ads for Buffy figures and
Buffy merchandise all the time. It's still spam even if it's Buffy spam.
> Back to my point.
Okay. I wasn't aware you actually had one.
> Whether it is spelled with and 'A' or spelled with an 'E' doesn't matter,
> the sheer comedy of you calling someone else a spammer because he is
> advertising a non-Buffy writing site here is hilarious. It's funny because
> that is all you do. You only post ads to your site, and your site/story is
> not Buffy related.
It's not? Weird, everyone else seems to think it's Buffy-related. The
main character is Faith, it has Buffy characters in it and it even
mentions Buffy herself several times.
What more does one have to do to write a Buffy-related story?
And the updates I provide aren't "ads". It's a link to the story. If
this guy had posted a link to a Buffy story, I wouldn't have said a
word. He didn't.
> Every month or so we get an update notice about your story, and sometimes
> you feed us useless info about your personal life in the process. I don't
> care where you vacation at, and more importantly, you know nobody besides
> you does. But your ego made you add that little fact into the mix to *try*
> and impress people. I was not.
Wow. You really need to get out of your own reflection. The whole world
isn't about you.
I added that line about being on vacation precisely because I was
getting e-mails from about two dozen people asking about the story and
why no updates had been posted for a while.
That blurb was to *them*, not you. I know it's hard to believe that
someone might be addressing others besides yourself but believe it or
not, it does happen from time to time.
> Also, if it were not for the one small excerpt you posted here recently
> (excuse me reposted), you would be doing the exact same thing as him. But
> in a way you still are. You have consistently defied our conventions and
> standards. You make a point to say, 'to hell with the way the group does
> things. I'll do whatever I want.' Case in point, your excerpt.
That's because the way the group does things (particularly in terms of
those ridiculous disclaimers) is silly. Putting that disclaimer on there
does nothing to insulate one from liability and in fact actually makes
it easier for the copyright holder to sue you should they ever decide to
do so.
Forgive me if I choose not to provide any potential plaintiff with a
prima facie case against me, merely to satisfy your "conventions". You
can walk that plank if you like but don't expect me to lemming along
after you.
> It had none of the usual formatting and labeling that we use here. No
> subject line classifications, no pairings and no fic rating. In the story
> itself, no label, no story setting, no Buffyverse timeline (i.e. which
> season the story takes place in), no author's notes or summary, and I won't
> even bother at ask what happened to the disclaimer.
The disclaimer never existed. See above.
As for the rest, take it or leave it. No one's forcing you to read
anything. If you opened up that post and all that missing "formatting"
chapped your ass, then just click the "close" button and move on. Why is
that such a hard concept to grasp?
Hell, killfile me if it bothers you so damned much.
> Before you even start, yes your story has Buffyverse characters in it, but,
> by your own admission, it is not something we (meaning readers and writers
> of fanfiction) would be interested in.
Please post back to me where I said that readers of fanfiction would not
be interest in reading my story.
> Several months ago, in this thread [Are OC's the kiss-of-death in BtVS
> fanfics?] you made a very clear point to say that you would not post your
> larger story here. One of those reasons was because your "distinguished"
> readers could get it from your site.
No, the reason is that it's on the site because it has quite a bit of
formatting and graphical elements that can't be replicated in a
text-only environment and which are rather essential to the story.
> We later learned of your desperate need for fancy
> formatting options and pretty pictures to tell a story.
How is that "desperate"? It does the work of lengthy descriptions that
may or may not get the full point across and it's a convention used by
authors the world over-- far better authors than either you or I.
Are they all "desperate" as well?
> Us poor pathetic newsgroup readers don't have that, so no fic for us.
What the hell are you talking about? Are you somehow being prevented
from downloading it and reading it? It sounds like you're aggressively
disinterested in what I've written so now this pathetic puling about
being deprived of it is rather bizarre and jarring.
I've been receiving feedback recently from approximately 30 people, both
on the Buffy Usenet groups and the broader world in general, people who
are following it and enjoying it and consistently want news of updates.
If you're not one of them, so be it. The periodic posts I make notifying
of an update are for their benefit, not yours.
As I said, ignore my posts or killfile and move on. But this whining
that I won't post it here in precisely the format you love so much is
just weird and sad on your part.
> But the biggest reason why you claim your story will never be seen here is
> because it is not fanfiction. You said it was your original work and that
> it was only partially set in the Buffyverse and therefore it was not a
> Buffyverse fic. You then said Joss had no hand in its creation other than
> the name of your lead character.
I never said any such thing. Whedon's work is interlaced all through it,
from the concept of Slayers and Watchers to mentions of at least half a
dozen Buffy characters: Faith, Willow, Giles, Buffy, Angel, Kakistos,
Trick.
> Blood Prey is *not* a BtVS fanfiction story. You said so yourself.
No, I didn't. I may have taken issue with your definition of fanfiction
as I did with your definition of "author" but that's an entirely
different issue.
And even so, no matter what *I* said, it certainly meets the definition
of fanfiction that you have come up with. If I claimed an apple was an
orange, would it suddenly become an orange or would it remain an apple?
> This *is* a Buffy fanfiction newsgroup. The people who read
> from, and post to, this newsgroup come here to read Buffy
> fanfiction. Something that you already stated multiple times
> that you do not do.
I read many of the stories here. I avoid regertz because his issues with
punctuation make it too difficult to follow. Other than that, I read
quite a bit of what is offered here.
> So why should we care about your updates?
You may not. Others apparently do. Please, for the love of god, just
killfile me and be done with it. Jesus Christ... I've never seen such
whining....
Lawrence Payne
And I've never seen such hypocrisy!
You calling Paul Gadzikowski, or anyone else, a spammer is beyond stupid.
You want to know where you said that at? You said it here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer.creative/browse_frm/thread/9a3f1be4f05b94f8/8cfb523c30407e53?q=are+ooc&rnum=2#8cfb523c30407e53
here is an except from Thread 21:
: I hold my reader to a high standard (as I'd like to think they hold me)
: and assume a certain minimum level of intelligence. My readers don't
: need subconscious cues. They know these things from the outset.
:
: That's one reason why I don't post my story here or on other forums
: (save for one excerpt and that was done at the specific request of
: someone who was having problems with the PDF file). If someone wants to
: read what I wrote, they have to seek it out. They have to know who I am,
: what the story is about and where to find it. By the time the story is
: downloaded to their computer and page one is up on their monitor, they
: already know all the things your disclaimer is meant to say to the
: reader.
:
: I've only written one story and when I'm done with it, I'll likely not
: write another. I started it as a personal experiment just to see if I
: could do it and along the way, a few people found it intriguing enough
: to want to follow along as I made the journey. So from the beginning, I
: didn't really care if *anyone* read it. The point in writing it was more
: to achieve a personal goal than anything else. If someone, somewhere
: happens to enjoy it also, well that's just a bonus as far as I'm
: concerned.
This entire statement was both intensely arrogant and a lie. And you know
it! If you really didn't care if anyone read it, why post updates? Why
whine several months later that you were not getting any feedback from this
group? Why not setup a Yahoo or Google Email Group so your discriminating
readers can get updates? Hell, Why not just email them directly? You won't
because it would prevent you from spamming us.
>> >> > We don't. Promoting yourself and your web site is spam even if you
>> >> > only
>> >> > do it once. This is a group to post and discuss Buffy fanfiction.
>> >> > Not
>> >> > ads for your web site.
>> >>
>> >> The irony, and shear comedy, of that statement is beyond belief.
>> >
>> > It would help your insults if you could at least spell them
>> > correctly...
>>
>> You would view that sentence as an insult. It is not an insult. Trust me
>> when I say, you will know when I insult you.
>
> Ah, geez... the chest-puffing has already commenced? I figured that to
> be at least three responses away.
>
>> It does, however, point out your hypocrisy.
>
> I'm not sure "hypocrisy" means what you think it does.
Ohh Yes it does! If you had read the whole post before you started whining
you would have seen that.
>> Back to my point.
>
> Okay. I wasn't aware you actually had one.
Yes. You are our resident spammer. And as such you have no grounds to call
anyone else that.
>> Whether it is spelled with and 'A' or spelled with an 'E' doesn't matter,
>> the sheer comedy of you calling someone else a spammer because he is
>> advertising a non-Buffy writing site here is hilarious. It's funny
>> because
>> that is all you do. You only post ads to your site, and your site/story
>> is
>> not Buffy related.
>
> It's not? Weird, everyone else seems to think it's Buffy-related. The
> main character is Faith, it has Buffy characters in it and it even
> mentions Buffy herself several times.
>
> What more does one have to do to write a Buffy-related story?
You said it wasn't. You insisted that BP was not fanfiction. I said it
was.
You said you only used parts of Joss' work. That you changed the vamps, and
Faith's strength level, and broke several other Buffyverse rules. I said
using parts of the BV makes it fanfic, but again you insisted that it
wasn't.
> And the updates I provide aren't "ads". It's a link to the story. If
> this guy had posted a link to a Buffy story, I wouldn't have said a
> word. He didn't.
>
>> Every month or so we get an update notice about your story, and sometimes
>> you feed us useless info about your personal life in the process. I don't
>> care where you vacation at, and more importantly, you know nobody besides
>> you does. But your ego made you add that little fact into the mix to
>> *try*
>> and impress people. I was not.
>
> Wow. You really need to get out of your own reflection. The whole world
> isn't about you.
>
> I added that line about being on vacation precisely because I was
> getting e-mails from about two dozen people asking about the story and
> why no updates had been posted for a while.
>
> That blurb was to *them*, not you. I know it's hard to believe that
> someone might be addressing others besides yourself but believe it or
> not, it does happen from time to time.
Ohh crap! It took all of my willpower to stop my head from exploding. Talk
about the pot calling the kettle names! Jesus! Nobody gives a damn where
you were. And you know that! Just admit that you added that line about you
being in Hawaii to impress people.
Also, nobody here or at the other NG has made a public statement about
missing your story updates. Maybe you were out in the sun a little too long
and imagined that? Don't worry. I'm sure your 'close personal friends in
Hollywood' can help you out with that one.
>> Also, if it were not for the one small excerpt you posted here recently
>> (excuse me reposted), you would be doing the exact same thing as him.
>> But
>> in a way you still are. You have consistently defied our conventions and
>> standards. You make a point to say, 'to hell with the way the group does
>> things. I'll do whatever I want.' Case in point, your excerpt.
>
> That's because the way the group does things (particularly in terms of
> those ridiculous disclaimers) is silly. Putting that disclaimer on there
> does nothing to insulate one from liability and in fact actually makes
> it easier for the copyright holder to sue you should they ever decide to
> do so.
And the arrogance shines like a beacon! If the way we do things is silly
then why stay? Seriously. Why bother? Why ask for our feedback? Why do
you care what us poor pathetic hill-folk think? And why ask for our input
if you don't respect our way of doing things?
Are you that good of an author? Probably not. You are here with us.
If you were that good you would be too busy to bother with us poor,
unpublished, 'not-making-money-at-this' writers who do this for just for
fun. You would be getting paid to write books, or scripting TV and movies
in Hollywood, or penning musicals on Broadway.
Butt ya ain't 'caus ya h'r wit us. 'n Heck Bubba! We dn't kn'w no b'tter.
Yuck Yuck!
> Forgive me if I choose not to provide any potential plaintiff with a
> prima facie case against me, merely to satisfy your "conventions". You
> can walk that plank if you like but don't expect me to lemming along
> after you.
UHHOO! Lawyer talk! Somebody catch me. I'm swooning.
But seriously, you can't say you're not trying to impress people when you
start using legal jargon in non-legal topic NG posts.
>> It had none of the usual formatting and labeling that we use here. No
>> subject line classifications, no pairings and no fic rating. In the
>> story
>> itself, no label, no story setting, no Buffyverse timeline (i.e. which
>> season the story takes place in), no author's notes or summary, and I
>> won't
>> even bother at ask what happened to the disclaimer.
>
> The disclaimer never existed. See above.
>
> As for the rest, take it or leave it. No one's forcing you to read
> anything. If you opened up that post and all that missing "formatting"
> chapped your ass, then just click the "close" button and move on. Why is
> that such a hard concept to grasp?
And the rest of it was just us being silly. How stupid are we because we
want to know what we are reading before we start? Silly us.
> Hell, killfile me if it bothers you so damned much.
Take your own advice there. No reason I have to do all of the work.
>> Before you even start, yes your story has Buffyverse characters in it,
>> but,
>> by your own admission, it is not something we (meaning readers and
>> writers
>> of fanfiction) would be interested in.
>
> Please post back to me where I said that readers of fanfiction would not
> be interest in reading my story.
>
>> Several months ago, in this thread [Are OC's the kiss-of-death in BtVS
>> fanfics?] you made a very clear point to say that you would not post your
>> larger story here. One of those reasons was because your "distinguished"
>> readers could get it from your site.
>
> No, the reason is that it's on the site because it has quite a bit of
> formatting and graphical elements that can't be replicated in a
> text-only environment and which are rather essential to the story.
Pretty pictures?! Essential to the story?!! You *NEED* pretty pictures to
tell a story?! ROTFL What are you five? Come man?! Seriously?!! Is it a
pop-up book? Does every sentence rhyme? Is there a "special letter for us
to learn" in every chapter?
We Are ADULTS! We don't NEED to look at pretty pictures. And more
importantly, you don't NEED pictures to tell us a story. Countless authors
have been telling story WITHOUT pictures for centuries, and they will
continue to do so for centuries to come. You can point to one or two Steven
King books that have a picture or two in them (The Stand comes my mind), but
the rest of his work, and all of the other great authors who have penned the
world's great works of literature, do not. Heller, Fitzgerald, Asimov,
Orwell, Poe, Shelly, Tolken, Remarque, some old guys named Shakespeare and
Malory and Doyle, a guy with the initials JW who did a certain TV show and
millions of other authors have NOT used pictures in their works.
Authors paint pictures with words, not fancy computer graphics. They can
put you in the middle of a purely alien world and make you feel like you are
there. They make you worry about the plight of a person you've never meant,
and see people that only exist within the realm of the book. No pictures,
no graphics, no fancy formats, just words on a page. A tiny number of
authors have used pictures in conjunction with there stories, And They Damn
Sure Did Not *NEED* Them.
But not you. No! You *HAVE* to have pictures! You **NEED** them to get
your point across! Without them, we won't understand.
What does that say about your storytelling skills? Not much.
>> We later learned of your desperate need for fancy
>> formatting options and pretty pictures to tell a story.
>
> How is that "desperate"? It does the work of lengthy descriptions that
> may or may not get the full point across and it's a convention used by
> authors the world over-- far better authors than either you or I.
>
> Are they all "desperate" as well?
>
>> Us poor pathetic newsgroup readers don't have that, so no fic for us.
>
> What the hell are you talking about? Are you somehow being prevented
> from downloading it and reading it? It sounds like you're aggressively
> disinterested in what I've written so now this pathetic puling about
> being deprived of it is rather bizarre and jarring.
>
> I've been receiving feedback recently from approximately 30 people, both
> on the Buffy Usenet groups and the broader world in general, people who
> are following it and enjoying it and consistently want news of updates.
> If you're not one of them, so be it. The periodic posts I make notifying
> of an update are for their benefit, not yours.
Reality TV has a huge following. Doesn't make it any good.
Plus, these 30 people have been real silent with their public statements of
affection. Maybe they don't exist either.
Besides, if your getting so much feedback, why complain about not getting
any from us?
> As I said, ignore my posts or killfile and move on. But this whining
> that I won't post it here in precisely the format you love so much is
> just weird and sad on your part.
Explain this to me. Why should I jump through hops to read a free story
when it is so easy to get other, much shorter, fics from other authors with
just a single click of the old mouse? Really why?
To read Blood Prey, I have to click on your NG link which will open a
browser; click again to download the fic itself; put it somewhere on my HD
and remember I put it there; if I don't already have Adobe installed and
fully updated, I have to install and/or update Adobe; then I have to click
again to run Adobe and again to open the file and read it, JUST SO YOU CAN
SHOW ME SOME PRETTY PICTURES!
Seriously man, I have got to know this. What's wrong with just plain old
HTML? Its got italics. Its got picture insert. Why did you have to use
the Webs most singularly annoying file format?
I intentionally got rid of Adobe on my last Kill All Bloatware campaign. I
spent a week uninstalling it on all of the machines in the office and I
don't put it on the machines I sell. Why? Because its useless. It's pure
Bloatware. The only time I or anyone else has ever used it is for online
game and Linux manuals. Manuals come in paper or HTML format nowadays,
making Adobe even more useless. So why make people do this dance for a free
story when everyone else does not?
We respect our readers here. Alien concept for you, (and you're bound to
comment on it) but it is true. Headers info exists so the readers can know
what they are reading beforehand. They decide if they want to read your
work or not.
On a different note. Did it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe, some
of your readers might not have read or remembered Salem Lot? That a single
line with the words ' BtVS/Salem Lot Xover' could clear up any confusion.
Of course not. Only the very distinguished readers to know that.
Us poor stupid readers use this guideline: No subject line or header info,
chuck it! It's that simple.
But that's OK with you because you don't care if anyone reads it. That's
why you spend hours of your life typing. That's why you complain about not
getting any feedback. That is why you are constantly posting updates. And
that is why you are arguing with me now. Because you don't care.
LIAR!
>> But the biggest reason why you claim your story will never be seen here
>> is
>> because it is not fanfiction. You said it was your original work and
>> that
>> it was only partially set in the Buffyverse and therefore it was not a
>> Buffyverse fic. You then said Joss had no hand in its creation other
>> than
>> the name of your lead character.
>
> I never said any such thing. Whedon's work is interlaced all through it,
> from the concept of Slayers and Watchers to mentions of at least half a
> dozen Buffy characters: Faith, Willow, Giles, Buffy, Angel, Kakistos,
> Trick.
>
>> Blood Prey is *not* a BtVS fanfiction story. You said so yourself.
>
> No, I didn't. I may have taken issue with your definition of fanfiction
> as I did with your definition of "author" but that's an entirely
> different issue.
>
> And even so, no matter what *I* said, it certainly meets the definition
> of fanfiction that you have come up with. If I claimed an apple was an
> orange, would it suddenly become an orange or would it remain an apple?
But you argued like crazy that it wasn't and that you weren't. You are an
author damn it! Not a fanfic writer. You said it was all your original
work. You wrote it, and a 'nod to the true creator' was not only
unnecessary, but stupid. You railed against the term for thread after
thread. You posted message after message arguing with me and anyone else
who did not see things your way.
You even said that them there lawmanz co'ld come 'n wrangle us up, 'n throw
t'all us in the pokey and y'd wanted no part of th't.
Now, things have changed.
You are one of us now.
Now, you proudly declare yourself a fanfic writer. You wear the title with
pride. You even declare BP to be pure fanfiction. You called it a
crossover on more than one occasion. Your such a big time fanfic writer
now, you use the title to condemn others. What a croc!
Look. I never would have said a word if you didn't start calling other
people spammers. Pots talking to kettles man. You are the biggest one
here!
>> This *is* a Buffy fanfiction newsgroup. The people who read
>> from, and post to, this newsgroup come here to read Buffy
>> fanfiction. Something that you already stated multiple times
>> that you do not do.
>
> I read many of the stories here. I avoid regertz because his issues with
> punctuation make it too difficult to follow. Other than that, I read
> quite a bit of what is offered here.
Yet that never seems to stop you from commenting on his work. Hmm? Odd.
>> So why should we care about your updates?
>
> You may not. Others apparently do. Please, for the love of god, just
> killfile me and be done with it. Jesus Christ... I've never seen such
> whining....
Me either. Man that BTR guy is annoying. Ohh wait you mean me. (smell
that, that's sarcasm)
BTR1701
"Lawrence Payne" <payne_l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> here is an except from Thread 21:
> : I hold my reader to a high standard (as I'd like to think they hold me)
> : and assume a certain minimum level of intelligence. My readers don't
> : need subconscious cues. They know these things from the outset.
> :
> : That's one reason why I don't post my story here or on other forums
> : (save for one excerpt and that was done at the specific request of
> : someone who was having problems with the PDF file). If someone wants to
> : read what I wrote, they have to seek it out. They have to know who I am,
> : what the story is about and where to find it. By the time the story is
> : downloaded to their computer and page one is up on their monitor, they
> : already know all the things your disclaimer is meant to say to the
> : reader.
> :
> : I've only written one story and when I'm done with it, I'll likely not
> : write another. I started it as a personal experiment just to see if I
> : could do it and along the way, a few people found it intriguing enough
> : to want to follow along as I made the journey. So from the beginning, I
> : didn't really care if *anyone* read it. The point in writing it was more
> : to achieve a personal goal than anything else. If someone, somewhere
> : happens to enjoy it also, well that's just a bonus as far as I'm
> : concerned.
And in all that, I never said people here wouldn't be interested in
reading it, like you claimed.
> This entire statement was both intensely arrogant and a lie. And you know
> it! If you really didn't care if anyone read it, why post updates?
Because people have asked me to and I've obliged. Apparently it bothers
you quite a bit, as well, so all the better.
> Why whine several months later that you were not
> getting any feedback from this group?
How is it a whine? It was merely a comment. Someone mentioned they
rarely get feedback from this group and I said I experienced the same
thing. I didn't complain about it. I just noted it as a fact. Since I
was responding to others who were saying the exact same thing, were they
whining, too? I'm sure they'd be interested to know how you really feel
about them.
Apparently everyone here is either a whiner or complainer but you.
> Why not setup a Yahoo or Google Email Group so your discriminating
> readers can get updates?
At this point, I'll continue to do it just because it seems to send you
over the edge. It's actually becoming entertaining watching you
self-destruct like this over the occasional two-line post.
> >> Whether it is spelled with and 'A' or spelled with an 'E' doesn't matter,
> >> the sheer comedy of you calling someone else a spammer because he is
> >> advertising a non-Buffy writing site here is hilarious. It's funny
> >> because
> >> that is all you do. You only post ads to your site, and your site/story
> >> is not Buffy related.
> >
> > It's not? Weird, everyone else seems to think it's Buffy-related. The
> > main character is Faith, it has Buffy characters in it and it even
> > mentions Buffy herself several times.
> >
> > What more does one have to do to write a Buffy-related story?
>
> You said it wasn't. You insisted that BP was not fanfiction. I said it
> was.
Whether I said it was fanfiction or not, I *never* claimed it wasn't
Buffy-related. Please repost any comment I made to the contrary. Don't
just say I said it. Prove it.
> >> Every month or so we get an update notice about your story, and sometimes
> >> you feed us useless info about your personal life in the process. I don't
> >> care where you vacation at, and more importantly, you know nobody besides
> >> you does. But your ego made you add that little fact into the mix to
> >> *try* and impress people. I was not.
> >
> > Wow. You really need to get out of your own reflection. The whole world
> > isn't about you.
> >
> > I added that line about being on vacation precisely because I was
> > getting e-mails from about two dozen people asking about the story and
> > why no updates had been posted for a while.
> >
> > That blurb was to *them*, not you. I know it's hard to believe that
> > someone might be addressing others besides yourself but believe it or
> > not, it does happen from time to time.
>
> Ohh crap! It took all of my willpower to stop my head from exploding.
That should tell you something right there. You're not rowing with both
oars in the water, chief, if a simple response to people who have been
asking me why I haven't been posting updates lately makes your head want
to explode.
Seek some help. Seriously.
> Nobody gives a damn where you were.
How would you even know? You don't have the first idea the totality of
the people who read the Buffy group, the Angel group and this group.
Your arrogance is astounding. You believe that since you don't care,
that no one else could possibly care. You believe that you are the
objective benchmark by which all else is measured.
It ain't your world, sparky. Better get used to it.
> And you know that! Just admit that you added that line about you
> being in Hawaii to impress people.
Only you would believe going to Hawaii is something that would "impress
people". Hell, it's not even leaving the USA, for goodness sake.
> Also, nobody here or at the other NG has made a public statement about
> missing your story updates.
Why would they? I provide an e-mail address as a contact. Why would they
post personal messages to me on public newsgroups?
> Maybe you were out in the sun a little too long
> and imagined that? Don't worry. I'm sure your 'close personal friends in
> Hollywood' can help you out with that one.
That doesn't even make any sense. Even if true, how would friends from
California help me with being in the sun too long?
You've gone from misspelling your insults to just making them
nonsensical.
> > That's because the way the group does things (particularly in terms of
> > those ridiculous disclaimers) is silly. Putting that disclaimer on there
> > does nothing to insulate one from liability and in fact actually makes
> > it easier for the copyright holder to sue you should they ever decide to
> > do so.
>
> And the arrogance shines like a beacon!
It's not arrogance. It's truth. The law is the law. The odds that anyone
will sue over fanfiction are slim but on the off-chance it should
happen, why would you want to hand them their case tied up with a neat
little bow? I choose not to. Sorry if that bugs but I frankly can't
figure out why you'd even care.
If the law is so irrelevant, if the legalities are so trivial, then why
bother with disclaimers in the first place? Obviously there's a belief
out there (however mistaken) that there are legal issues that need to be
addressed by using the disclaimers, so how is it even remotely logical
for you to suddenly turn around and act like legal concerns are silly?
> If the way we do things is silly then why stay?
> Seriously. Why bother?
Because with the glaring exception of you, I like the people here.
They're friendly and interesting to talk to.
That doesn't mean I have to put some ridiculous disclaimer on whatever
stories I post here. It's legally meaningless in terms of protection;
worse, it could be actively detrimental-- a point you have yet to refute
among all your caterwauling. As I said, if you want to do it, have at
it. Frankly, I can't even understand why you care about disclaimers on
other people's stories. If you have some kind of fantasy that they
protect you legally, then great but why do you care whether OTHER people
are protected or not, especially someone like me, whom you seem to
actively hate?
Seems like you'd stand up and do a jig at the thought that I wasn't
legally protecting myself with the proper disclaimers.
> Why ask for our feedback?
I never did. I commented that I hadn't received any in response to
someone else who said they had never received any. That's not the same
as asking for it. Accuracy isn't your strong point, is it?
> If you were that good you would be too busy to bother with us poor,
> unpublished, 'not-making-money-at-this' writers who do this for just for
> fun. You would be getting paid to write books, or scripting TV and movies
> in Hollywood, or penning musicals on Broadway.
I never claimed to be a great author. In fact, in several instances, I
claimed to be an inexperienced novice.
By the way, you better wipe your lip. The foam on your mouth is building
up.
> Butt ya ain't 'caus ya h'r wit us. 'n Heck Bubba! We dn't kn'w no b'tter.
> Yuck Yuck!
Wow... I'm speechless here. I've never seen someone melt down quite so
spectacularly.
> > Forgive me if I choose not to provide any potential plaintiff with a
> > prima facie case against me, merely to satisfy your "conventions". You
> > can walk that plank if you like but don't expect me to lemming along
> > after you.
>
> UHHOO! Lawyer talk! Somebody catch me. I'm swooning.
So let me get this straight: when it comes to legal disclaimers (a topic
you yourself raised), it's inappropriate to use legal terminology when
responding?
What color is the sky in your world?
> But seriously, you can't say you're not trying to impress people when you
> start using legal jargon in non-legal topic NG posts.
Here's a clue, idiot: a disclaimer is a LEGAL device. That's what it
does and what it's for. You brought it up and when I actually respond
with something resembling intelligence on the subject, you pretend like
it's out of place.
You're so full of shit, your eyes are brown.
> > Hell, killfile me if it bothers you so damned much.
>
> Take your own advice there. No reason I have to do all of the work.
You want me to killfile myself now?
Every time I think you can't get more bizarre...
> >> Before you even start, yes your story has Buffyverse characters in it,
> >> but, by your own admission, it is not something we (meaning readers and
> >> writers of fanfiction) would be interested in.
> >
> > Please post back to me where I said that readers of fanfiction would not
> > be interest in reading my story.
No response here? Still looking?
> >> Several months ago, in this thread [Are OC's the kiss-of-death in BtVS
> >> fanfics?] you made a very clear point to say that you would not post your
> >> larger story here. One of those reasons was because your "distinguished"
> >> readers could get it from your site.
> >
> > No, the reason is that it's on the site because it has quite a bit of
> > formatting and graphical elements that can't be replicated in a
> > text-only environment and which are rather essential to the story.
>
> Pretty pictures?!
Where exactly did I say they were pretty?
There's that accuracy problem of yours again. Best watch that.
> Essential to the story?!! You *NEED* pretty pictures to
> tell a story?! ROTFL What are you five? Come man?! Seriously?!! Is it a
> pop-up book? Does every sentence rhyme? Is there a "special letter for us
> to learn" in every chapter?
And on the day Larry Payne had his psychotic break, we all stood and
watched with awe...
> We Are ADULTS! We don't NEED to look at pretty pictures. And more
> importantly, you don't NEED pictures to tell us a story. Countless authors
> have been telling story WITHOUT pictures for centuries, and they will
> continue to do so for centuries to come. You can point to one or two Steven
> King books that have a picture or two in them (The Stand comes my mind), but
> the rest of his work, and all of the other great authors who have penned the
> world's great works of literature, do not. Heller, Fitzgerald, Asimov,
> Orwell, Poe, Shelly, Tolken, Remarque, some old guys named Shakespeare and
> Malory and Doyle, a guy with the initials JW who did a certain TV show and
> millions of other authors have NOT used pictures in their works.
And dozens of great authors *have* used them. Are they all "desperate"
as well? You never answered that.
> Authors paint pictures with words, not fancy computer graphics. They can
> put you in the middle of a purely alien world and make you feel like you are
> there. They make you worry about the plight of a person you've never meant,
> and see people that only exist within the realm of the book. No pictures,
> no graphics, no fancy formats, just words on a page. A tiny number of
> authors have used pictures in conjunction with there stories, And They Damn
> Sure Did Not *NEED* Them.
Apparently they did or they wouldn't have used them. They felt they were
necessary to the story.
Sure they could have described whatever it was, as could I, but it's a
lot easier and provides more impact to include a graphic once in a great
while. So far, in a 68,000 word story, I've used exactly two
narrative-related graphical elements inserted in the text.
One can hardly make a rational argument that I'm relying on them as a
crutch.
> But not you. No! You *HAVE* to have pictures! You **NEED** them to get
> your point across! Without them, we won't understand.
>
> What does that say about your storytelling skills? Not much.
So I'm a bad writer. Big deal. I'm having fun with it and that's all
that matters.
We can't all be Larry Payne, after all.
> > I've been receiving feedback recently from approximately 30 people, both
> > on the Buffy Usenet groups and the broader world in general, people who
> > are following it and enjoying it and consistently want news of updates.
> > If you're not one of them, so be it. The periodic posts I make notifying
> > of an update are for their benefit, not yours.
>
> Reality TV has a huge following. Doesn't make it any good.
I never claimed to be good.
Have you? Are you good?
> Plus, these 30 people have been real silent with their
> public statements of affection.
Why would they be otherwise? Some of them aren't even readers of these
groups, first of all, so why you'd think they'd suddenly post here and
tell *you* how they feel about *my* story is beyond me.
And of the people who are readers of the Buffy groups, why you would
think they would post here and give *you* feedback on *my* story is also
beyond me.
On my download page, right next to the story link, is the following
text: "Comments welcome. Send to btr...@ix.netcom.com"
Since I directed them to send comments to me personally, why you would
think they'd say to themselves, "You know, I think I'll ignore that and
go post a public message on a newsgroup instead" is also beyond me.
But then the way your mind works is God's own private mystery so that's
no surprise.
And ultimately, what does it matter? Even if NO ONE was following the
story or gave a shit about it, how does that affect you in any way,
shape or form?
> Besides, if your getting so much feedback, why complain about not getting
> any from us?
Once again, I never complained. I commented on the status quo.
You really need to work on that accuracy.
> > As I said, ignore my posts or killfile and move on. But this whining
> > that I won't post it here in precisely the format you love so much is
> > just weird and sad on your part.
>
> Explain this to me. Why should I jump through hops to read a free story
I have no idea why you should jump through hops. I have no idea why you
would even consider jumping into a pile of malted grain.
> when it is so easy to get other, much shorter, fics from other authors with
> just a single click of the old mouse? Really why?
*YOU* shouldn't, dumbass. You already know you have absolutely zero
interest in my project. So just fucking skip it whenever it comes up.
Simple. As. That.
Get it yet?
> Seriously man, I have got to know this. What's wrong with just plain old
> HTML? Its got italics. Its got picture insert. Why did you have to use
> the Webs most singularly annoying file format?
Well, everyone else seems to like it and have no problems with it. And
it apparently has the added benefit of driving you absolutely fucking
bonkers. At this point, if I were using some other format, I'd seriously
consider switching to PDF just for that reason alone.
> I intentionally got rid of Adobe on my last Kill All Bloatware campaign.
> spent a week uninstalling it on all of the machines in the office and I
> don't put it on the machines I sell.
And you were criticizing me for posting unnecessary personal information
to the newsgroup?
If "no one cares" that I was on vacation, I can absolutely guarantee
that no one gives a happy shit about what software you do or do not have
on your office computers.
> On a different note. Did it ever dawn on you that maybe, just maybe, some
> of your readers might not have read or remembered Salem Lot? That a single
> line with the words 'BtVS/Salem Lot Xover' could clear up any confusion.
I would consider such a thing a spoiler. Kind of ruins the surprise of
finding out where Faith is heading at the beginning if it's stuck right
there before the story even starts.
> Us poor stupid readers use this guideline: No subject line or header info,
> chuck it! It's that simple.
If that's what you're doing, then why this nearly 400 line screed? If
you're automatically chucking my stuff because it has none of your
little disclaimers and whatnot, how is any of this a problem?
> > No, I didn't. I may have taken issue with your definition of fanfiction
> > as I did with your definition of "author" but that's an entirely
> > different issue.
> >
> > And even so, no matter what *I* said, it certainly meets the definition
> > of fanfiction that you have come up with. If I claimed an apple was an
> > orange, would it suddenly become an orange or would it remain an apple?
>
> But you argued like crazy that it wasn't and that you weren't. You are an
> author damn it! Not a fanfic writer.
Fanfic writers *are* authors.
> You said it was all your original work.
No, I never did. I said there were original elements. I never claimed to
have created Faith, 'Salem's Lot or any other King/Whedon character or
element.
What's that? About five times now that your accuracy problem has tripped
you up?
> You wrote it, and a 'nod to the true creator' was not only
> unnecessary, but stupid.
You don't ask for a "nod". You ask for a disclaimer. Are you actually so
thick as to believe there's no difference?
> You railed against the term for thread after thread.
> You posted message after message arguing with me and anyone else
> who did not see things your way.
Actually, you're about the only one who seemed to think that anyone who
writes a fanfic story isn't an author.
You seem to have this imaginary Greek chorus of "we" and "us" out there
who you seem to believe is backing you up on your lunacy.
> Look. I never would have said a word if you didn't start calling other
> people spammers.
I find that hard to believe. Your head is exploding, after all.
> >> This *is* a Buffy fanfiction newsgroup. The people who read
> >> from, and post to, this newsgroup come here to read Buffy
> >> fanfiction.
Something I missed last time: this isn't a fanfiction group. It's
alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer.creative, not alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer.fanfiction
That means this group encompasses more than just fanfiction. Anything
creative and Buffy-related is included.
Songs, poems, even artwork all falls under that rubric. Fanfiction is
just one subcategory.
> > I read many of the stories here. I avoid regertz because his issues with
> > punctuation make it too difficult to follow. Other than that, I read
> > quite a bit of what is offered here.
>
> Yet that never seems to stop you from commenting on his work. Hmm? Odd.
Please repost all these comments on his work that I've supposedly made.
[And just to save you some time and embarrassment, and taking into
account your chronic problem with accuracy, there's a difference between
commenting on his work and commenting on his style.]
marika
BTR1701 wrote:
>
> How is it a whine? It was merely a comment. Someone mentioned they
> rarely get feedback from this group and I said I experienced the same
> thing.
silence is sometimes also just appreciation. if you get silence it may
just mean that it was absorbed but no one can yet respond or it was
good and no reason to respond
you will get something. you picked and then they told you you
couldn't get what you wanted. So they will get the usual cardboard box
they send out
>I didn't complain about it. I just noted it as a fact. Since I
> was responding to others who were saying the exact same thing, were they
> whining, too?
I want to call em bag judges, but I know I can come up with something
more descriptive.
you are good with Real estate so i know you will have something really
soon.
>Hell, it's not even leaving the USA, for goodness sake.
Cheers to the usa. He will be one heck of a genyoos!
>
> > Also, nobody here or at the other NG has made a public statement about
> > missing your story updates.
>
> Why would they?
5 more bidness days til the update gets here
>I provide an e-mail address as a contact.
PLUS PLUS PLUS
>Why would they
> post personal messages to me on public newsgroups?
>
> > Maybe you were out in the sun a little too long
> > and imagined that? Don't worry. I'm sure your 'close personal friends in
> > Hollywood' can help you out with that one.
>
> That doesn't even make any sense. Even if true, how would friends from
> California help me with being in the sun too long?
>
> You've gone from misspelling your insults to just making them
> nonsensical.
I caught him saying "might could" and boy did I
make fun of her fur Thet
>
> > > That's because the way the group does things (particularly in terms of
> > > those ridiculous disclaimers) is silly. Putting that disclaimer on there
> > > does nothing to insulate one from liability and in fact actually makes
> > > it easier for the copyright holder to sue you should they ever decide to
> > > do so.
> >
> > And the arrogance shines like a beacon!
>
> It's not arrogance. It's truth. The law is the law. The odds that anyone
> will sue over fanfiction are slim but on the off-chance it should
> happen, why would you want to hand them their case tied up with a neat
> little bow?
I would like to issue them shopping carts for their cases, instead of
the carts they stole from me
>I choose not to. Sorry if that bugs but I frankly can't
> figure out why you'd even care.
Oh I will keep you up to date
ALSO PLUS PLUS
I think they are going to deny him his usual eight weeks off
mk5000
"ding ding
da da
A ring ding ding ding ding
A Ring Ding Ding Dingdemgdemg"--crazy frog, axel f
Lawrence Payne
window. It's a bright Sunday morning, the sun is shining, the birds are
singing and everyone's headed to the park. And what am I doing? I'm
inside, arguing with someone I don't like. Time to remedy that.
You seem to think that your very existence bugs me on some fundamental
level. It does not. To prove it I call a truce.
You and I never see eye to eye on anything. I can only think of one time
were we agreed on something. Because of that we will probably never see eye
to eye in the future.
So, I'll make you a deal, let's just quit talking to each other. You don't
comment on anything I post, and I won't comment on anything you post. This
is for any topic. So if I say something to someone else that you don't
agree with, you just don't reply and I'll do the same.
Deal?
Bob Hannon
"marika" <marik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125233028....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> silence is sometimes also just appreciation. if you get silence it may
> just mean that it was absorbed but no one can yet respond or it was
> good and no reason to respond
No. Silence is the sound of no one giving a fuck.
> I caught him saying "might could" and boy did I
> make fun of her fur Thet
And the little bitch who have never written a story in her life said what?
> ALSO PLUS PLUS
> I think they are going to deny him his usual eight weeks off
>
And who let you out of the whorehouse?
---
"I want the truth!" "You can't handle the truth!!" The great Mr. Nicholson
speaks and the congregation said Amen.
marika
Bob Hannon wrote:
>
> No. Silence is the sound of no one giving a fuck.
oh believe me I hate silence too but it really isn't always negative
as you think. seriusly sometimes folks are so awed they just can't
respond
>
> > I caught him saying "might could" and boy did I
> > make fun of her fur Thet
>
> And the little bitch who have never written a story in her life said what?
But I still would rather see you grill her than to watch Barbara
Walters ask stupid fluffy and meaningless questions of guests like what
kind of tree would you be. Or that fluff head Oprah. or those
milquetoasts on the other channels. Or even the hard news political
shows. You should see how easy they treat political guests whom they
should be TORTURING
>
> > ALSO PLUS PLUS
> > I think they are going to deny him his usual eight weeks off
> >
>
> And who let you out of the whorehouse?
>
Dude you shoulda been a lawyer, you really cut em open. So often they
need
it
mk5000
"and making history has never been so easy.
So visualize success,
but don't believe your eyes.
There's a world of wisdom and pain to despise"--jackie new
pornographers
jil...@hotmail.com
When I got the hang of the contents of the messages, I largely stopped
reading.
I love you guys, but boy...
Bob Hannon
me when I come back.
"marika" <marik...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1125356780.7...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> oh believe me I hate silence too but it really isn't always negative
> as you think. seriusly sometimes folks are so awed they just can't
> respond
Yeah right. Everyone is so bowled over they just can't reply. The words
escape them. The English language simply doesn't have a word that fully
describes its greatness.
Bullshit! No reply means no one cares. Period.
>> > I caught him saying "might could" and boy did I
>> > make fun of her fur Thet
>>
>> And the little bitch who have never written a story in her life said
>> what?
>
> But I still would rather see you grill her than to watch Barbara
> Walters ask stupid fluffy and meaningless questions of guests like what
> kind of tree would you be. Or that fluff head Oprah. or those
> milquetoasts on the other channels. Or even the hard news political
> shows. You should see how easy they treat political guests whom they
> should be TORTURING
Never answered my question ehh? Thought so. I did a search on your
username in this NG. One entry came up and it was this thread. You haven't
written shit. But you attack people who do. That makes you a bitch in my
book.
>> > ALSO PLUS PLUS
>> > I think they are going to deny him his usual eight weeks off
>> >
>>
>> And who let you out of the whorehouse?
>>
>
> Dude you shoulda been a lawyer, you really cut em open. So often they
> need
> it
You know what I hate? I hate it when obviously un-sophisticated people do
nasty mean-spirited things and then they act all high and mighty when
someone strikes back. You can act all cool and pretend you're so above it
all but I see you for the crossposting, spamming bitch that you are.
If Larr were here he would just ignore you. He hates it when I post here.
But he's not here. He's down in Louisiana right now with his reserve unit
working to rebuild comm lines and helping people. And here you are, sitting
on your fat ass somewhere posting spam and attacking my friend in multiple
NGs for no reason.
Larr is not only my friend, he's a damn good writer. You could have backed
your boy without attacking him but you didn't. You made a choice to come
after him when he has never said a word to you. So shut the fuck up
already!
----
"You want to pray? Hey, pray all you want! Pray on your own time! You want
to help, grab a shove and start diggin' pinwheel 'cause it looks like your
God took last Tuesday off!" Doug Stanhope - sept 18 2001. Amen.