BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug
ntl
I give them a bashing...
By Mike Hamilton
BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies that can't
pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
We can also reveal the East London drug dealer threatened housemate Emma
with a knife during the bust-up on Thursday which led to her being booted
off Big Brother last night.
Out-of-control Victor screamed at her "I'll f****** kill you, you bitch"
because he thought he heard her make a racist taunt.
Six security guards and two producers rushed into the house as Victor, 23,
brandished the knife.
An insider said: "The drugs and violent scenes involving Victor have had to
be cut because they are dynamite.
"It is bad enough police got involved after his bust-up with Emma. But the
things he was admitting to were a lot worse and could have seen him in real
trouble."
Victor made his drugs revelation in a late-night group discussion last
Sunday.
He told Stuart, Jason and Dan he dealt "hard drugs" near his home in Forest
Gate, east London.
Later, he chatted about his vile trade to Stuart in the garden and mentioned
cocaine and marijuana.
Then he boasted: "If someone doesn't pay up, then I give them a good
bashing."
An insider said: "The way Victor was talking was as if he had been involved
with some pretty heavy-duty people.
"And it sounded like he had been involved in it recently-certainly in the
past year.
Gangsters
"Some viewers think he is playing up to an image as a gangster. But the
producers and housemates know he isn't. It is the real Victor we are seeing
and he can be pretty scary.
"People are worried we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with him and
there could be more bombshells to come.
"He will be kicked out of the house if his temper flares up again or if he
talks about illegal things.
"All the crew are calling him a time-bomb because he could explode at any
time."
He showed his worst side in the early hours of Thursday in a furious row
with Emma.
The disgraceful scenes were cut by Channel 4 bosses in a desperate attempt
to cover up the true extent of the violence.
They used the 15-minute delay in screening 'live' footage to edit out the
worst of the drunken brawl.
Then, when Shell Jubin suffered a panic attack, they pulled the plug on the
show completely for an hour.
But today we can reveal just what the viewers were not allowed to see during
that lost hour...
The showdown between student Victor and legal administrator Emma came at
1.30am on Thursday, about three hours after Emma and Michelle left the
bedsit where they had been spying on the other housemates.
Viewers saw the water fight which sent Vanessa and Jason into a rage. As
camp Marco taunted him with a daft dances, bodybuilder Jason yelled at him:
"I might decide to knock f**k out of you."
But that was nothing compared to the bust-up that erupted between Victor and
Emma.
They started trading insults at 1.20am when she wagged her finger at him and
said she had been watching him slag her off from the bedsit.
As Big Brother tried to intervene over a loudspeaker, 6ft 2ins Victor, still
wearing his clown make-up from the fancy dress party, hurled a glass of wine
over Emma and then threw a food platter at her.
After another five minutes of verbal assaults, student Stuart had to
intervene to stop Victor going for Emma with the knife.
Panic
Six guards and two senior producers then dashed into the house to de-fuse
the bust-up.
Victor was ushered into the diary room, while Emma went into a bedroom with
hairdresser Dan Bryan, 30.
The 20-year-old from Oldham repeatedly tried to get out of the room to have
another go at Victor, but was restrained by Dan.
A Big Brother insider said: "It was lucky Stuart was there and they sent the
guards in when they did or it would have turned even nastier.
"It is unbelievable that Victor can brandish a knife at a girl and still
stay in the house. If he did that in the outside world, he'd be up in
court."
Producers finally took the show off the air at 1.40am when Shell had a panic
attack. She ran to the bathroom in tears, and started to hyper-ventilate,
rocking against the wall.
But as transsexual Nadia went into the bathroom to help, another fight broke
out. Angry Vanessa lurched at Nadia, trying to grab her hair and Marco was
forced to break them up.
Our source said: "Vanessa was furious because she felt Nadia had been egging
everyone on during the arguments. She was telling Emma to have another go at
Victor instead of calming her down.
"She thought that had contributed to Shell being so upset and that Nadia was
a hypocrite.
Shocking
"Shell was really in a bad way and they were seriously worried about her."
We can also reveal that the housemates had rumbled that Michelle and Emma
were watching from the bedsit before their return to the house on Wednesday
night.
Producers cut several scenes when contestants referred to the bedsit and
said Emma and Michelle were inside.
On Monday night, Victor - angry after being given a cold shower - hammered
on the wall and accused the two girls of singling him out for racist
treatment after he guessed they were working for Big Brother.
Our insider said: "Victor was absolutely mad and screaming at them for about
20 minutes, which had to be cut out.
"He seemed to know exactly what had happened and was calling Emma and
Michelle 'racist bitches' and saying they were picking on him.
"It was shocking stuff, and it showed they knew exactly what was going on
with the bedsit. But producers have been conning the viewers by trying to
maintain the pretence they were unaware of it."
The fight scenes that followed Emma and Michelle's return from the bedsit
may have been shocking, but they gave Big Brother its second highest ratings
yet.
It was watched by 6.3 million viewers, just 400,000 short of the launch
night
Clairybums
"ntl" <willi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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There's no way they don't do some sort of checks on these people but, if
he's got no convictions then obviously they had no way of knowing but,
assuming there's some truth to this story, they have to get him out now.
One thing though..... if he did say all this during fight night, I wonder
how the rest don't seem to be that bothered.
Clairy
Lynne
There was no knife and Victor only threw the food platter after receiving it
on the back of his head from Emma. It also doesn't mention anything of Emma
spitting at Victor, which I am sorry, if she spat at me I would have hooked
her.
Victor managed to restrain himself very well for being the thug this piece
of text seems to dictate.
Beck
"Lynne" <ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote in message
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> The people that wrote this obviously didnt watch the footage very well.
> There was no knife and Victor only threw the food platter after receiving it
> on the back of his head from Emma. It also doesn't mention anything of Emma
> spitting at Victor, which I am sorry, if she spat at me I would have hooked
> her.
>
> Victor managed to restrain himself very well for being the thug this piece
> of text seems to dictate.
What you must not forget is that there is a lot of footage that we have not
seen. The feeds were cut for a long time in which time lots of things may have
happened. They also say their source is not the video feeds, but an insider, in
which case they are privvy to information that we do not have.
I am not saying any of it is true, as we all know what the NOTW is like, but at
this stage because we have not seen all of it, it cannot be ruled out
completely. We simply do not know.
Clairybums
"Beck" <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote in message
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came from NOTW. Well, it'll be interesting to watch the turn of events once
he's out of the house (hopefully sooner rather than later). You can be
assured of one thing though..... if he has said those things, the police
will definitely be keeping an eye on him in the future.
Clairy
Niel Humphreys
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>
> news:kpfBc.763$x25.722@newsfe4-gui...
> > If someone doesn't pay
> > I give them a bashing...
> > By Mike Hamilton
> >
> >
> >
today and which a link to the News of the World site would have been more
polite rather than cutting and pasting it all as though the OP had just
found this ground breaking report that is 100% full of truth.
> >
> The people that wrote this obviously didnt watch the footage very well.
> There was no knife and Victor only threw the food platter after receiving
it
> on the back of his head from Emma. It also doesn't mention anything of
Emma
> spitting at Victor, which I am sorry, if she spat at me I would have
hooked
> her.
>
> Victor managed to restrain himself very well for being the thug this piece
> of text seems to dictate.
I also would not say he is 6'2", seems a lot shorter than that. Good old
News of the World manages once again to destroy all credibility in a story
that may have had some truth in it by over-stating the "facts".
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Andy [F Batter]
> What you must not forget is that there is a lot of footage that we
> have not seen.
The knifes are out for Victor. A lot of what has been written about him has
been with an anti-Victor bias. He was accused of being a main player in the
fight, but all he was trying to do was calm Nadia down. He gently put an
arm onto her shoulder to restrain her attack on Jason, and Emma somehow
managed to read that as a shove.
Victor's subsequent protestations to Emma of "are you stupid? I was trying
to break it up" were spot on. Quite why people can't see it that way is
beyond me. It was as clear as day on the show broadcast on Thursday night.
If anybody behaved like a gangster it was Jason.
Andy
Lynne
"Beck" <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote in message
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>
You stated:
"As Big Brother tried to intervene over a loudspeaker, 6ft 2ins Victor,
still wearing his clown make-up from the fancy dress party, hurled a glass
of wine over Emma and then threw a food platter at her.
After another five minutes of verbal assaults, student Stuart had to
intervene to stop Victor going for Emma with the knife."
This part is available for download at the Officical Big Brother website.
See for yourself.
Beck
"Lynne" <ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote in message
I never stated this.
Lynne
Beck
"Lynne" <ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote in message
> > > You stated:
> > >
> > > "As Big Brother tried to intervene over a loudspeaker, 6ft 2ins Victor,
> > > still wearing his clown make-up from the fancy dress party, hurled a
> glass
> > > of wine over Emma and then threw a food platter at her.
> > >
> > > After another five minutes of verbal assaults, student Stuart had to
> > > intervene to stop Victor going for Emma with the knife."
> > >
> > > This part is available for download at the Officical Big Brother
> website.
> > > See for yourself.
> >
> > I never stated this.
> >
> >
> Well thats what the original statement said
That was not me though :-)
All I am saying is that when the live feeds were cut for that hour, we do not
know what had happened. BB can show us what they want us to see, not the bits
they do not want to see. For all we know, during that hour something serious
could have happened. Therefore nobody can categorically say that what the News
of the World have reported is either true or false. We simply do not know.
Vince
> IF that's true then BB are f*cking out of order letting him in there.
It's not true.
Beck
"Vince" <vme...@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Clairybums" wrote
>
> > IF that's true then BB are f*cking out of order letting him in there.
>
> It's not true.
Have you got a source for that?
Tosh
>
> I also would not say he is 6'2", seems a lot shorter than that. Good old
> News of the World manages once again to destroy all credibility in a story
> that may have had some truth in it by over-stating the "facts".
P F J
<ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote:
>The people that wrote this obviously didnt watch the footage very well.
>There was no knife
vic was potterng around the kitchen area at time of fight. it's quite
fesable that he had a knife in his hand for a purpose other than
slitting ems throat when em kicked off at him. taboloids always
enhance the truth, bend the truth, or just lie to make a story bias to
there own interests. they can invent photos or even videos to
'validate' claims as ex notw editor pierce morgan knows so well
vic never said 'i'll slit your throat em' did he
vic probubly bullied kids at skool, making them give him their dinner
money before they could park their bike in the bike sheds - to the
tabloids that translates into coke dealer who beats up non payers
ironically vic will love this stuff written about him. it actually
gives his slick charater meat to the bones
Lynne
The original statement I assume was quoted from the News of the World. It is
false information and can be verified by the feed available for download.
It may have some truths bu it does not state all the facts to make the
statement unbiaised.
Steve
> If someone doesn't pay
> I give them a bashing...
> By Mike Hamilton
>
>
>
> BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies
> that can't pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
Wasn't it the News of the World that ran the *story* "Freddie Starr ate
my Hamster"?...
--
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DAB sounds worse than FM, Freeview, digital satellite, cable and
broadband internet radio
Beck
"Lynne" <ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote in message
But don't you get it that C4 has chosen what they want us to see? They can
strip it down to whatever they like in the name of entertainment and viewing
figures. Nobody can say for sure that what NOTW printed is incorrect. There
could well have been these incidences during the time that the feed was off air.
C4 would not want us to see it.
I am not saying what they printed is true, its most likely to be false as we
know their history. But nobody can say for sure 100% that it is false.
Clairybums
"Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> ntl wrote:
> > If someone doesn't pay
> > I give them a bashing...
> > By Mike Hamilton
> >
> >
> >
> > BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies
> > that can't pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
>
>
> Wasn't it the News of the World that ran the *story* "Freddie Starr ate
> my Hamster"?...
>
>
> --
> Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info
>
? :-P
Tosh
> ntl wrote:
>> If someone doesn't pay
>> I give them a bashing...
>> By Mike Hamilton
>>
>>
>>
>> BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies
>> that can't pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
>
>
> Wasn't it the News of the World that ran the *story* "Freddie Starr ate
> my Hamster"?...
>
>
No that was the Sun, it was a front page headline the day all the
*news*papers were covering the use of the UK as 'airstrip 1' by the
Americans using the UK as a base to bomb Libya from.
vashti
> But don't you get it that C4 has chosen what they want us to see? They can
> strip it down to whatever they like in the name of entertainment and viewing
> figures. Nobody can say for sure that what NOTW printed is incorrect. There
> could well have been these incidences during the time that the feed was off air.
> C4 would not want us to see it.
I think what the NoTW have printed is a blatant misinterpretation of the
video feed we've all seen, spun in a rabid pro-Emma light that surely even
the NoTW don't really believe.
Waving knives? Throwing platters? It's pretty obvious they're interpreting
the publically released fight footage. It's possible Victor tried to stab
Emma in hidden footage, but the existing film shows that Victor threw the
plate back at Emma after she threw it at him.
Is it possible that almost exactly the same sequence of events happened
an hour later after the housemates were separated? Yes, but very improbable.
And sad to say, I do think the paper's decision on what to spin caters to
their primary audience.
Steve
> Steve spoke thusly:
>
>> ntl wrote:
>>> If someone doesn't pay
>>> I give them a bashing...
>>> By Mike Hamilton
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies
>>> that can't pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
>>
>>
>> Wasn't it the News of the World that ran the *story* "Freddie Starr
>> ate my Hamster"?...
>>
>>
>
> No that was the Sun,
I stand corrected. Same fing really though innit, both of them contain
utter bollocks.
> it was a front page headline the day all the
> *news*papers were covering the use of the UK as 'airstrip 1' by the
> Americans using the UK as a base to bomb Libya from.
Ah, that explains it then, cos Murdoch doesn't like to see any negative
press of the Yanks.
Steve
Dunno, but I think the Daily Star went one better and said he'd been
abducted by aliens.
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DAB sounds worse than FM, Freeview, digital satellite, cable and
broadband internet radio
Tosh
> On 20 Jun 2004, Tosh dropped undies, bent over, and sprayed us all with:
>
>> No that was the Sun, it was a front page headline the day all the
>> *news*papers were covering the use of the UK as 'airstrip 1' by the
>> Americans using the UK as a base to bomb Libya from.
>
> Respeck!
>
> Apol's for my little outburst yesterday.
No probs :)
Steve
> In alt.tv.big-brother, Beck wrote:
>
>> But don't you get it that C4 has chosen what they want us to see?
>> They can strip it down to whatever they like in the name of
>> entertainment and viewing figures. Nobody can say for sure that
>> what NOTW printed is incorrect. There could well have been these
>> incidences during the time that the feed was off air. C4 would not
>> want us to see it.
>
> I think what the NoTW have printed is a blatant misinterpretation of
> the video feed we've all seen, spun in a rabid pro-Emma light that
> surely even the NoTW don't really believe.
>
> Waving knives? Throwing platters? It's pretty obvious they're
> interpreting the publically released fight footage.
I think this too.
> It's possible
> Victor tried to stab Emma in hidden footage, but the existing film
> shows that Victor threw the plate back at Emma after she threw it at
> him.
>
> Is it possible that almost exactly the same sequence of events
> happened
> an hour later after the housemates were separated? Yes, but very
> improbable. And sad to say, I do think the paper's decision on what
> to spin caters to their primary audience.
I also think it's a disgrace if Victor didn't say what he did about
being a coke dealer because it's just re-inforcing a pretty strong
stereotype that so many black people deal drugs. A lot do, but at the
same time most don't and they could do without such stories just in the
name of selling papers.
Matt
surely he would have been booted instantly right?news:BkjBc.816$x25.559@newsfe4-gui...
Beck
"Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:_tjBc.879$x25.261@newsfe4-gui...
> I also think it's a disgrace if Victor didn't say what he did about
> being a coke dealer because it's just re-inforcing a pretty strong
> stereotype that so many black people deal drugs. A lot do, but at the
> same time most don't and they could do without such stories just in the
> name of selling papers.
He has admitted being a drug dealer. So why are so many people disbelieving the
NOTW story?
Not saying I believe or disbelieve the story, but surely if he has already said
it, it backs up what they are saying?
David Boothroyd
"Beck" <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote:
> "Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:_tjBc.879$x25.261@newsfe4-gui...
>
> > I also think it's a disgrace if Victor didn't say what he did about
> > being a coke dealer because it's just re-inforcing a pretty strong
> > stereotype that so many black people deal drugs. A lot do, but at the
> > same time most don't and they could do without such stories just in the
> > name of selling papers.
>
> He has admitted being a drug dealer.
Has he? When? The NotW story was sourced from suppressed live coverage
of the house. I expect they do have moles within the production team
supplying them with stories, plus unofficial contacts with the press
team who like to plant stories but don't want it traced back to them,
but there's no guarantee it's an accurate report of what was said, and
even if it was, Victor may have been lying or exaggerating. Remember
Kitten's claim to have been a teenage prostitute.
We do know he was charged with store voucher fraud earlier this year
but the charge was dropped for lack of evidence.
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Steve
> "Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:_tjBc.879$x25.261@newsfe4-gui...
>
>> I also think it's a disgrace if Victor didn't say what he did about
>> being a coke dealer because it's just re-inforcing a pretty strong
>> stereotype that so many black people deal drugs. A lot do, but at the
>> same time most don't and they could do without such stories just in
>> the name of selling papers.
>
> He has admitted being a drug dealer.
Did you hear him say that? I thought that NOTW story said they went
silent "when he was saying it".
> So why are so many people
> disbelieving the NOTW story?
Because the NOTW are very well known for fabricating stories, or at the
very least twisting things to make them sound far worse than they
actually were. If I read a NOTW article I always start off reading it
with extreme scepticism.
> Not saying I believe or disbelieve the story, but surely if he has
> already said it, it backs up what they are saying?
*If* he's said that then, yeah, it corroborates that bit, but it doesn't
mean the rest of the story is true.
Beck
"David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > He has admitted being a drug dealer.
>
> Has he? When? The NotW story was sourced from suppressed live coverage
> of the house. I expect they do have moles within the production team
> supplying them with stories, plus unofficial contacts with the press
> team who like to plant stories but don't want it traced back to them,
> but there's no guarantee it's an accurate report of what was said, and
> even if it was, Victor may have been lying or exaggerating. Remember
> Kitten's claim to have been a teenage prostitute.
>
> We do know he was charged with store voucher fraud earlier this year
> but the charge was dropped for lack of evidence.
It could be a lie, he is known for lying and it may all be an act of bravado to
try and pump up his image. But what are people to think? If he has said it and
the NOTW have said it, then we cannot 100% disbelieve it until evidence proves
otherwise. I am on the fence with this one. I really do not know so am not in
a position to say one way or the other.
Steve
> i find it hard to believe hes still in the house if he did pull a
> knife, surely he would have been booted instantly right?
I agree completely because if it got out that they let him stay after
he'd done that then BB/Endemol/C4 would have a hell of a lot to answer
for. You just have to think about how often they mute the sound of the
live feed. They even mute it when it seems like they're talking about
completely harmless stuff.
Sie
> We can also reveal the East London drug dealer threatened housemate Emma
> with a knife during the bust-up on Thursday which led to her being
> booted off Big Brother last night.
>
He was holding a bread knife when the arguments began.
>
> The showdown between student Victor and legal administrator Emma came at
> 1.30am on Thursday
You think they could at least get the timing of the events in the correct
order.
>
> They started trading insults at 1.20am when she wagged her finger at him
> and said she had been watching him slag her off from the bedsit.
>
Complete bullcak.
Sie
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Beck
"Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:ySjBc.1047$x25.914@newsfe4-gui...
> Beck wrote:
> > "Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> > news:_tjBc.879$x25.261@newsfe4-gui...
> >
> >> I also think it's a disgrace if Victor didn't say what he did about
> >> being a coke dealer because it's just re-inforcing a pretty strong
> >> stereotype that so many black people deal drugs. A lot do, but at the
> >> same time most don't and they could do without such stories just in
> >> the name of selling papers.
> >
> > He has admitted being a drug dealer.
>
>
> Did you hear him say that? I thought that NOTW story said they went
> silent "when he was saying it".
>
>
> > So why are so many people
> > disbelieving the NOTW story?
>
>
> Because the NOTW are very well known for fabricating stories, or at the
> very least twisting things to make them sound far worse than they
> actually were. If I read a NOTW article I always start off reading it
> with extreme scepticism.
>
>
> > Not saying I believe or disbelieve the story, but surely if he has
> > already said it, it backs up what they are saying?
>
>
> *If* he's said that then, yeah, it corroborates that bit, but it doesn't
> mean the rest of the story is true.
I should not have said "He has admitted being a drug dealer" as I did not
actually hear that myself, so I apologise.
I am not saying any of it is true. I do not know. If the story is blatant
lies, then that is extremely unfair on him as it is misrepresenting him as a
person.
But at this time nobody can say for sure whether the accusation by the NOTW is
true. Given their record, its likely to be untrue, but there is always that
niggling "what if"
Steve
> "David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:david-D77C62....@news.news.demon.net...
>>> He has admitted being a drug dealer.
>>
>> Has he? When? The NotW story was sourced from suppressed live
>> coverage of the house. I expect they do have moles within the
>> production team supplying them with stories, plus unofficial
>> contacts with the press team who like to plant stories but don't
>> want it traced back to them, but there's no guarantee it's an
>> accurate report of what was said, and even if it was, Victor may
>> have been lying or exaggerating. Remember Kitten's claim to have
>> been a teenage prostitute.
>>
>> We do know he was charged with store voucher fraud earlier this year
>> but the charge was dropped for lack of evidence.
>
>
> It could be a lie, he is known for lying and it may all be an act of
> bravado to try and pump up his image. But what are people to think?
> If he has said it
You said: "He has admitted being a drug dealer." Did you actually hear
him say this live, or did you read it somewhere other than the NOTW
article?
> and the NOTW have said it, then we cannot 100%
> disbelieve it until evidence proves otherwise.
I think that's the completely wrong way to look at this. The NOTW have
claimed something based on information from an anonymous source, and
given the NOTW's record then there's no way I'm believing this until I
see it reported somewhere with a better reputation for reporting the
truth.
> I am on the fence
> with this one. I really do not know so am not in a position to say
> one way or the other.
As far as I'm concerned he should be treated innocent until proven
guilty, and he's not been proven guilty by any stretch of the
imagination. If he has said that he was a dealer and beat people up then
I'm sure the police will want to see footage/transcript of what he said.
Steve
No problem.
> I am not saying any of it is true. I do not know. If the story is
> blatant lies, then that is extremely unfair on him as it is
> misrepresenting him as a person.
It wouldn't be the first time that the NOTW have done this. It's pretty
much a weekly even, innit?
If I was Victor and I hadn't said that then I'd sue the arse off the
NOTW.
> But at this time nobody can say for sure whether the accusation by
> the NOTW is true. Given their record, its likely to be untrue, but
> there is always that niggling "what if"
That's the problem with the media though innit, because once a story is
out there it's too late to get it back and it's inserted into the public
consciousness unless it's proven to be wrong. Look back at the Piers
Morgan thing when he printed those made up photos of British soldiers
abusing Iraqi prisoners, if they hadn't been shown to be false then it
would still be believed to the present day that they were legit.
Beck
"Steve" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:ijkBc.1238$x25.56@newsfe4-gui...
> > I should not have said "He has admitted being a drug dealer" as I did
> > not actually hear that myself, so I apologise.
>
>
> No problem.
>
>
> > I am not saying any of it is true. I do not know. If the story is
> > blatant lies, then that is extremely unfair on him as it is
> > misrepresenting him as a person.
>
>
> It wouldn't be the first time that the NOTW have done this. It's pretty
> much a weekly even, innit?
>
> If I was Victor and I hadn't said that then I'd sue the arse off the
> NOTW.
>
>
> > But at this time nobody can say for sure whether the accusation by
> > the NOTW is true. Given their record, its likely to be untrue, but
> > there is always that niggling "what if"
>
>
> That's the problem with the media though innit, because once a story is
> out there it's too late to get it back and it's inserted into the public
> consciousness unless it's proven to be wrong. Look back at the Piers
> Morgan thing when he printed those made up photos of British soldiers
> abusing Iraqi prisoners, if they hadn't been shown to be false then it
> would still be believed to the present day that they were legit.
I think the media have got alot to answer for. They can and do ruin peoples
lives. That fake Iraqi photo thing could have even caused serious
ramifications. I hate the press. I have not purchased a newspaper in a very
long time.
But I do get confused about people in these groups flatly denying the story
about Victor, they do not know him personally, they do not know his history.
Nobody can say for sure whether it is lies or truth.
Steve
> I think the media have got alot to answer for. They can and do ruin
> peoples lives. That fake Iraqi photo thing could have even caused
> serious ramifications. I hate the press.
Agreed on all of the above.
> I have not purchased a
> newspaper in a very long time.
> But I do get confused about people in these groups flatly denying the
> story about Victor, they do not know him personally, they do not know
> his history. Nobody can say for sure whether it is lies or truth.
I agree that nobody can flatly deny that the story might be true, but
given that the story is in the NOTW then I'm highly sceptical about it,
and I believe he should be treated as innocent until there's more
substantive proof to go on.
P F J
<my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> wrote:
>the NOTW have said it, then we cannot 100% disbelieve it until evidence proves
>otherwise
thats good gear your smokin. can i have some ;-)
Beck
> Beck wrote:
>
> > I think the media have got alot to answer for. They can and do ruin
> > peoples lives. That fake Iraqi photo thing could have even caused
> > serious ramifications. I hate the press.
>
>
> Agreed on all of the above.
>
>
> > I have not purchased a
> > newspaper in a very long time.
> > But I do get confused about people in these groups flatly denying the
> > story about Victor, they do not know him personally, they do not know
> > his history. Nobody can say for sure whether it is lies or truth.
>
>
> I agree that nobody can flatly deny that the story might be true, but
> given that the story is in the NOTW then I'm highly sceptical about it,
> and I believe he should be treated as innocent until there's more
> substantive proof to go on.
I wonder what peoples reactions would have been if the story was printed in The
Times or Telegraph :-)
Beck
"P F J" <pe...@nospam.scampi.net> wrote in message
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Mayfair lights :-)
Margory Peck
<my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> writes
>All I am saying is that when the live feeds were cut for that hour, we do not
>know what had happened. BB can show us what they want us to see, not the bits
>they do not want to see. For all we know, during that hour something serious
>could have happened.
IMO... Victor wouldn't be there now. In fact, if, as alleged in the
report, he'd admitted to being a hard drug dealer in the house then I
also think BB would've removed him from the house.
>Therefore nobody can categorically say that what the News of the World
>have reported is either true or false.
{laughs} ;)
--
Margory Peck
"One day the chickens will rise up and take over the house"
- Jorge Orwell 'Animal Firm'
Jo
"David Boothroyd" <da...@election.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:david-D77C62....@news.news.demon.net...
I agree with David and Beck, wherever/whatever the source used by NOTW, it
isn't going to be 100% accurate, mainly because it's one persons claims and
influenced by their own perspective. Even if we saw the whole uncut scenario
ourselves we'd all make different assumptions and claims based on our own
perspectives and personal experiences, no one is unbiased !
Jo
Beck
"Margory Peck" <|||BigBrother|||@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:xyhTG6MJ...@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> In article <cb414i$ef6$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>, Beck
> <my_bu...@removebtopenworld.com> writes
>
> >All I am saying is that when the live feeds were cut for that hour, we do not
> >know what had happened. BB can show us what they want us to see, not the
bits
> >they do not want to see. For all we know, during that hour something serious
> >could have happened.
>
> IMO... Victor wouldn't be there now. In fact, if, as alleged in the
> report, he'd admitted to being a hard drug dealer in the house then I
> also think BB would've removed him from the house.
>
> >Therefore nobody can categorically say that what the News of the World
> >have reported is either true or false.
>
> {laughs} ;)
Why would they remove him from the house? They want sensationalism.
David Boothroyd
"Jo" <nos...@thanks.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with David and Beck, wherever/whatever the source used by NOTW, it
> isn't going to be 100% accurate, mainly because it's one persons claims and
> influenced by their own perspective. Even if we saw the whole uncut scenario
> ourselves we'd all make different assumptions and claims based on our own
> perspectives and personal experiences, no one is unbiased !
Also look at the reports in the tabloids and who gets the blame for
overturning the table. It's either Jason or Victor, while the video
showed it was almost certainly Nadia.
Vince
> "Beck" wrote:
> > He has admitted being a drug dealer.
>
> Has he? When? The NotW story was sourced from suppressed live coverage
> of the house. I expect they do have moles within the production team
> supplying them with stories, plus unofficial contacts with the press
> team who like to plant stories but don't want it traced back to them,
> but there's no guarantee it's an accurate report of what was said, and
> even if it was, Victor may have been lying or exaggerating. Remember
> Kitten's claim to have been a teenage prostitute.
Next you'll be saying tha Nasty Nick wasn't in the TA!
Vince
> ntl wrote
> > We can also reveal the East London drug dealer threatened housemate Emma
> > with a knife during the bust-up on Thursday which led to her being
> > booted off Big Brother last night.
> >
>
> He was holding a bread knife when the arguments began.
A 'bread' knife, or a knife that you butter bread with?
Sie
@doctor.cableinet.net:
> A 'bread' knife, or a knife that you butter bread with?
Sorry, as stated by many others it was confirmed as a butter knife.
Karen
"Lynne" <ly...@jibberishNOSPAMKTHXBYE.net> wrote in message
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>
> "ntl" <willi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:kpfBc.763$x25.722@newsfe4-gui...
> > If someone doesn't pay
> > I give them a bashing...
> > By Mike Hamilton
> >
> >
> >
> > BIG BROTHER'S Victor Ebuwa is a violent thug who beats up junkies that
> can't
> > pay for the dope and cocaine he sells.
> >
> > with a knife during the bust-up on Thursday which led to her being
booted
> > off Big Brother last night.
> >
> > because he thought he heard her make a racist taunt.
> >
> > Six security guards and two producers rushed into the house as Victor,
23,
> > brandished the knife.
> >
> > An insider said: "The drugs and violent scenes involving Victor have had
> to
> > be cut because they are dynamite.
> >
> > "It is bad enough police got involved after his bust-up with Emma. But
the
> > things he was admitting to were a lot worse and could have seen him in
> real
> > trouble."
> >
> > Victor made his drugs revelation in a late-night group discussion last
> > Sunday.
> >
> > He told Stuart, Jason and Dan he dealt "hard drugs" near his home in
> Forest
> > Gate, east London.
> >
> > Later, he chatted about his vile trade to Stuart in the garden and
> mentioned
> > cocaine and marijuana.
> >
> > Then he boasted: "If someone doesn't pay up, then I give them a good
> > bashing."
> >
> > An insider said: "The way Victor was talking was as if he had been
> involved
> > with some pretty heavy-duty people.
> >
> > "And it sounded like he had been involved in it recently-certainly in
the
> > past year.
> >
> > Gangsters
> >
> > "Some viewers think he is playing up to an image as a gangster. But the
> > producers and housemates know he isn't. It is the real Victor we are
> seeing
> > and he can be pretty scary.
> >
> > "People are worried we have only seen the tip of the iceberg with him
and
> > there could be more bombshells to come.
> >
> > "He will be kicked out of the house if his temper flares up again or if
he
> > talks about illegal things.
> >
> > "All the crew are calling him a time-bomb because he could explode at
any
> > time."
> >
> > He showed his worst side in the early hours of Thursday in a furious row
> > with Emma.
> >
> > The disgraceful scenes were cut by Channel 4 bosses in a desperate
attempt
> > to cover up the true extent of the violence.
> >
> > They used the 15-minute delay in screening 'live' footage to edit out
the
> > worst of the drunken brawl.
> >
> > Then, when Shell Jubin suffered a panic attack, they pulled the plug on
> the
> > show completely for an hour.
> >
> > But today we can reveal just what the viewers were not allowed to see
> during
> > that lost hour...
> >
> > The showdown between student Victor and legal administrator Emma came at
> > bedsit where they had been spying on the other housemates.
> >
> > Viewers saw the water fight which sent Vanessa and Jason into a rage. As
> > camp Marco taunted him with a daft dances, bodybuilder Jason yelled at
> him:
> > "I might decide to knock f**k out of you."
> >
> > But that was nothing compared to the bust-up that erupted between Victor
> and
> > Emma.
> >
> > They started trading insults at 1.20am when she wagged her finger at him
> and
> > said she had been watching him slag her off from the bedsit.
> >
> still
> > wearing his clown make-up from the fancy dress party, hurled a glass of
> wine
> > over Emma and then threw a food platter at her.
> >
> > After another five minutes of verbal assaults, student Stuart had to
> > intervene to stop Victor going for Emma with the knife.
> >
> > Panic
> >
> > Six guards and two senior producers then dashed into the house to
de-fuse
> > the bust-up.
> >
> > Victor was ushered into the diary room, while Emma went into a bedroom
> with
> > hairdresser Dan Bryan, 30.
> >
> > The 20-year-old from Oldham repeatedly tried to get out of the room to
> have
> > another go at Victor, but was restrained by Dan.
> >
> > A Big Brother insider said: "It was lucky Stuart was there and they sent
> the
> > guards in when they did or it would have turned even nastier.
> >
> > "It is unbelievable that Victor can brandish a knife at a girl and still
> > stay in the house. If he did that in the outside world, he'd be up in
> > court."
> >
> > Producers finally took the show off the air at 1.40am when Shell had a
> panic
> > attack. She ran to the bathroom in tears, and started to
hyper-ventilate,
> > rocking against the wall.
> >
> > But as transsexual Nadia went into the bathroom to help, another fight
> broke
> > out. Angry Vanessa lurched at Nadia, trying to grab her hair and Marco
was
> > forced to break them up.
> >
> > Our source said: "Vanessa was furious because she felt Nadia had been
> egging
> > everyone on during the arguments. She was telling Emma to have another
go
> at
> > Victor instead of calming her down.
> >
> > "She thought that had contributed to Shell being so upset and that Nadia
> was
> > a hypocrite.
> >
> > Shocking
> >
> > "Shell was really in a bad way and they were seriously worried about
her."
> >
> > We can also reveal that the housemates had rumbled that Michelle and
Emma
> > were watching from the bedsit before their return to the house on
> Wednesday
> > night.
> >
> > Producers cut several scenes when contestants referred to the bedsit and
> > said Emma and Michelle were inside.
> >
> > On Monday night, Victor - angry after being given a cold shower -
hammered
> > on the wall and accused the two girls of singling him out for racist
> > treatment after he guessed they were working for Big Brother.
> >
> > Our insider said: "Victor was absolutely mad and screaming at them for
> about
> > 20 minutes, which had to be cut out.
> >
> > "He seemed to know exactly what had happened and was calling Emma and
> > Michelle 'racist bitches' and saying they were picking on him.
> >
> > "It was shocking stuff, and it showed they knew exactly what was going
on
> > with the bedsit. But producers have been conning the viewers by trying
to
> > maintain the pretence they were unaware of it."
> >
> > The fight scenes that followed Emma and Michelle's return from the
bedsit
> > may have been shocking, but they gave Big Brother its second highest
> ratings
> > yet.
> >
> > It was watched by 6.3 million viewers, just 400,000 short of the launch
> > night
> >
> The people that wrote this obviously didnt watch the footage very well.
> There was no knife and Victor only threw the food platter after receiving
it
> on the back of his head from Emma. It also doesn't mention anything of
Emma
> spitting at Victor, which I am sorry, if she spat at me I would have
hooked
> her.
>
> Victor managed to restrain himself very well for being the thug this piece
> of text seems to dictate.
Only thing I would argue with was that the food platter never actually hit
him, mostly i suspect because Emma had rather a crap aim, but still. And
Emma spat on Victor after he threatened to spit on her.
But you're right he did behave well considering the circumstances.
P F J
>him
there are three defenses to common assault detailed on the polices
website (sorry no link)
1 self defence
2 protection of property
3 accepting a challenge
em throwing the plate at vic first, legally is important. you'd think
em would know things like that being a legal admin type. wait a minute
- perhaps not
JohnM
>said Emma and Michelle were inside.
>
>On Monday night, Victor - angry after being given a cold shower - hammered
>on the wall and accused the two girls of singling him out for racist
>treatment after he guessed they were working for Big Brother.
>
>Our insider said: "Victor was absolutely mad and screaming at them for about
>20 minutes, which had to be cut out.
>
>"He seemed to know exactly what had happened and was calling Emma and
>Michelle 'racist bitches' and saying they were picking on him.
>
>"It was shocking stuff, and it showed they knew exactly what was going on
>with the bedsit. But producers have been conning the viewers by trying to
>maintain the pretence they were unaware of it."
Hm, but couldn't Victor's thumping the wall and saying 'racist bitches',
if indeed this happened, be directed at BB's controllers?
Even if the HMs knew that Emma and Michelle were in the bedsit, they
wouldn't know what they were doing there.
--
JohnM
Dave
"ntl" <willi...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> If someone doesn't pay
> I give them a bashing...
> By Mike Hamilton
>
Ah the news of the world, the paper thats known for never making a thing up
*sniggers*
Adrian
were saying :
> em throwing the plate at vic first, legally is important. you'd think
> em would know things like that being a legal admin type. wait a minute
> - perhaps not
"What's a formal warning?"