"Why is Natalie one of the most hated contestants in 'Brother' history?"
Snooky
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/09/04/big-brother-11-natalie-hated/
Snooky
> Here is the link of the above article:
>
> http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/09/04/big-brother-11-natalie-hated/
There are 626 comments below the article at the moment - 16 pages
worth and all the ones I have read have all been negative. She, like
Jessie, is only a legend in her own mind!
Hunter
5f256d...@d21g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, lizann...@gmail.com
says...
> Here is the link of the above article:
>
> http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/09/04/big-brother-11-natalie-hated/
I posted a rebuttal to that very article in Jokers. Here it is:
From a Natalie Fan; Rebuttle: The article was a bit silly and near
baseless. The article in question:
http://watching-tv.ew.com/2009/09/04/big-brother-11-natalie-hated/
I read the article and as I say in the subject line it was a bit
silly Yes, Natalie lied many times but that is what this show is
about. And yes she sucked at the challenges but so did Jordan, and
yes she attached herself to stronger players, most famously Jessie
and now Kevin, but making smart alliances is part of the game. And
she is playing it. If anyone has ridden on someone's coattails it is
Jordan (another girl I like actually) And Natalie actually won an HOH
and not handed to her. Incidentally that brings attention to one of
the several things wrong about the article. It says and I quote:
"To run around last night, as Natalie did after winning a foolish HOH
competition that was just a lousy guessing-game and crowing
triumphantly, I did it by sticking to my word! was kinda
infuriating. Her word (a) had nothing to do with her win and (b)
meant nothing anyway, since she d broken her word to Jeff and others
repeatedly."
That is *not* what she was referring to I bet. You remember when Jeff
was heavily lobbying her to make a deal with her in the kitchen (as
Kevin watched) to go against her word to Kevin to vote Jeff out but
vote Jordan out instead? She resisted, later in the DR she said he
had to sweeten the deal a lot before she would consider breaking her
alliance with Kevin. Later, Jeff did just that and offered to keep
her safe next week to effectively throw the HoH and give it to her
like he did to Jordan? Well, Natalie despite that kept her word
didn't she? That is what she was referring to after she won HoH, she
didn't betray Kevin by taking the deal. She did do it by "...sticking
to her word". And she didn't pull a Kaysar or a Marcellus by trusting
a desperate player (at least not yet). And she made that critical
decision on her own, something I believe Jordan has yet to do. And
didn't she skillfully held up her end of Kevin's lie to Jeff about
Russell turning against Jeff using her Poker skills? Yes she did.
And it wasn't the only time she was loyal. Remember her speaking up
with Jessie about Ronnie being treated unfairly when Casey was
bellowing about how much a liar he was when Ron's double dealing blew
up in his face? It was to the point he was exiled to the HoH room
with Russell harassing him (and that was a lie for Casey's benefit
wasn't it?)? She and Jessie could had threw Ronnie under the bus at
that time to curry favor with the rest of the house but they didn't.
He wasn't even part of their clique but they stuck by him with her
pointing out the injustice. She stuck up for him urging him to come
out and socialize with everyone when he was ostracized (I was
impressed with Jessie's behavior over that too) and Ronnie had
nothing to offer and was powerless. "To at least try" she told him.
THAT IS WHEN I FELL IN LOVE WITH HER. She didn't have to do that but
she did. THAT showed what she was made of.
If anything, ironically, I think she is TOO loyal to people, namely
Jessie and Chima. Her near crying for Jessie after he was evicted
like he was killed or something and the Chima tantrum aiding and
abetting Chima's raging was silly, stupid even, but she was loyal, to
a fault I believe. She could had-and should had-stayed out of Lydia's
and Chima's ravings like Kevin did but she didn't even after when
Chima was booted and Lydia melted down. It almost killed her in the
show but she stayed loyal. People have short memories, and I mean the
viewers not the players.
And there was this:
"She can t even come up with a mean trick like Season Two s Shannon,
who scrubbed a toilet with another player s toothbrush."
Let me understand: She didn't do something disgusting like that and
she is to be chastised for it? She didn't physically attack someone
like Evel Dick did to Jen by pouring ice tea on her head either, by
this logic she would be a hero if she did it to someone.
And this:
"In the final weeks of any Big Brother, you need house guests who ll
question their own motives, strategy, and articulate in the diary
room the disparity between the image they re putting out to fool
their housemates and the reality of their wicked schemes. Natalie has
shown us none of this."
Oh, she doesn't worry about lying to people in the show because that
is how the game is played? Wow, how terrible!! She doesn't whine or
fret as if her personal integrity is at stake and wrapped up in a
game show where double dealing is the coin of the realm. No whining
about that how terrible!!
Finally:
"It s this lack of conviction even in her alliances combined with,
as my colleague Dalton Ross has pointed out, her endlessly irritating
voice, a kind of monotone-whine of self-righteousness that doesn t
put Natalie in a Hall of Fame or Shame, but which just renders her an
annoyance without any sting."
Hello? As I point out above she almost destroyed her game by being
too loyal to first Jessie, then Chima, then Lydia. Oh I almost
forget. Didn't Jordan try to remind Jeff that Natalie never made a
move to be friendly or join with them (or was that Michelle who told
Jeff?)? And wasn't it Russell who turned against the Jessie Lydia-
Chima, Ronnie alliance he had with them by voting Ronnie out IIRC?
She stayed loyal to Ronnie to the end IIRC. The author is condemning
her simultaneously by saying she latches onto a strong players and
also being disloyal. Which is it?
And what does her voice have anything with the cost of gas? Jordan as
almost exactly the same type voice but with a Southern accent
(nothing against southern accents just pointing out the one big
difference between the two voices that are near identical in tone and
timbre). This is when you know a person has a bankrupt argument when
you start to attack the physical attributes of someone. That "self-
righteousness" is self confidence. Yes sometimes I did say what?!?
When she said at one time in the DR a few episodes ago that she was
in control of the game but most of the time her DRs were largely
correct. And now she is in reality in control of the show.
If someone could point out how Natalie is a liar and backstabber IN
REAL LIFE, and not in a game show designed to get people to back-stab
each other (Including Kevin putting up Jeff despite what he said,
including Jeff putting up Russell despite what he said) then I would
be impressed.
You played a good game Nat. I hope you win (to have any chance to do
so I think Jordan has to be with you in the F2, any other combination
you will loose) You road coattails when you could, you got up and
started to actively play when it was time and you gritted out a HoH
victory when you had to. Good Work! Now do your best to win the POV
and most importantly the final HoH for your (most likely) second
place (Kevin and Michelle I think will have more friends in the
house, especially if she has to dispose of Kevin in a public way, and
wasn't that skillful to get Kevin to get the blame for evicting
Jeff?).
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Dale
Hunter, what about the fact that Nat and Kevin took Michele's birth Control
pills and threw her wedding rings in the trash was that a part of the game?
How about saying she was going to put red food coloring in Michele's food
becasue Michele is alergic to it is that part of the game? You over look
so many things that Nat has done.
--
Dale
Damn it, I'm a trek fan not a political wonk!
Hunter
nightsp...@att.net says...
I don't overlook things that she does. I was addressing the article
and none of those things were brought up in the article and I address
those things almost point for point. It is people don't give credit
were credit is due and I think the article demonstrates the
unfairness I think.
Now, if Natalie threw Michelle's birth control pills and wedding
rings in the trash that was mean spirited to say the least; and it
doesn't reflect well on Kevin either does it since he joined her. And
does it come up to the level of using someone else's toothbrush to
scrub someone's toilet?
The red food coloring incident that was nasty but it wasn't carried
out and it was Lydia and Chima as well as Natalie who came up with
it. Indeed, who's idea was it?
Yes, Nat did some childish things belying her 24 years as it did
Lydia's 24 years and Chima's 33 but it seems only Nat is being
singled out as "The worst house guess that ever existed." She does a
lot of silly things like perhaps cheat at games but that hardly makes
her one of the worst houseguest in BB history. What good she did like
with Ronnie is over looked and some things is contradictory to what
was shown like her being disloyal when if anything she was too loyal
to the point of obsession. I guess I have the specter of Evel Dick
making Jen miserable and assaulting her and other verbal attacks to
others in the house? It by no means excuse the things Nat has done,
but she wasn't the only one and I think people saying she is the
worst housemates ever is a matter of selective and faulty memory.
Some people had it in for her even before the Chima blow up and Nat
following her slavishly.
It is like the author of the article who listed as a legit complaint
the sound of her voice. There is a level of meanest to the attacks
which tells me that it is unfair. She was accused of eating her own
boggers for heaven's sake. I looked for any video for it but can't
find any footage of it even using the search terms "big brother
11-Natalie-nose-picking-boggers-snot" The best I could find is her
scratch the rim of her nostril like we all do from time to time.
Given the feeling against Nat out there you KNOW if such footage
existed it would be easily recoverable from several sources and not
just Youtube. And the thing about not showering, while not good for
the housemates the contextual reason she didn't shower for a week is
because she was a "have not" and hated cold showers, not because she
was inherently dirty as people tried to say a month ago. So given
even in the light of what actually she did the shrillness of it is
much unfair especially when it comes to gameplay. These kind of
things often start out with a few things then it boils over to
hysteria. There is a more than a little of the "follow the mob
phenomena" here. Yes screwing with other people's personal stuff is
mean and cheating is juvenile, but it hardly makes her a contender as
the worst houseguest ever on BB, Hell, I don't think she is for this
season.
Oh as for being stinky it is ironic that Michelle once mentioned that
her husband often said she smelled. Anyone talk about that? Also,
this site implies that a lot of Natalie's "implausible lies" often
come true. Both here in this article (under their specific column
"Natalie" and "Michele"):
"....but once again another of her most implausible lies turned out
to be true when we heard her dad indeed say that he does indeed get
together with her (formerly estranged) boyfriend Jason to watch BB
three times a week."
"...once again another of her most implausible lies turn out to be
true... How about that? As for Michelle's odor:
"...but she laughed when reporting that her hubby often says she
smells bad."
and also concerning Michelle's birth control pills which Nat and
Kevin stole:
"Bonus ups for disclosing she's using her birth control pills as a
calendar study aid"
All from http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082009.shtml
Not as if Michele was using them for what they were intended for
right? It's still wrong for messing with people's property but not
exactly the evil sin it has been made out to be.
So it is not as if Natalie was going to steal something that she
actually need. See? Context, and I suspect a lot of things Natalie
does is going to taken out of context and magnified when she does it
and all but ignored when others do it.
do...@webtv.net
A few questions, Hunter.
I respect your right to have any opinion...but...
Why do YOU think that so MANY people don't like her?
and...
Her lack of emotion...is sorta unusual under those conditions.
Evel Dick cried plenty when things about his daughter Dani were brought
up.
Not that Natalie has to CRY...she just comes off as mean-spirited
without redeeming personal qualities.
The Horny Goat
wrote:
>Now, if Natalie threw Michelle's birth control pills and wedding
>rings in the trash that was mean spirited to say the least; and it
>doesn't reflect well on Kevin either does it since he joined her. And
>does it come up to the level of using someone else's toothbrush to
>scrub someone's toilet?
There are plenty of really nasty things you can do with birth control
pills that don't involve stealing them. Given the varying hormonal
doses through the month typical of most birth control pills by
shuffling them you can really mess up your victim's fertility cycle
and that can make her sick or even pregnant (I think it's reasonable
to expect Michelle and hubby to do what most married couples who have
been apart for 2+ months would do ASAP after leaving the BB house).
Medically you're supposed to be off the pill for at least a month
before trying to get pregnant so there are medical reasons for that
thus whether it's additional risk to Mom or the conceived child either
way (I forget - it hasn't been an issue for us for some years) that's
serious.
>The red food coloring incident that was nasty but it wasn't carried
>out and it was Lydia and Chima as well as Natalie who came up with
>it. Indeed, who's idea was it?
If someone administers a non-toxic substance that he/she knows the
victim is allergic to that's pretty serious in my books. It's harmless
fun if he/she doesn't know of the allergy but if they do that's pretty
unconscionable.
The Horny Goat
>Evel Dick cried plenty when things about his daughter Dani were brought
>up.
>
>Not that Natalie has to CRY...she just comes off as mean-spirited
>without redeeming personal qualities.
Bear in mind that when Evil Dick did the pot clanging thing he was
TRYING to be unpopular so as to protect Dani as both of them were then
on the block.
As for dumping the tea on Jen, he said Jen had butted out her
cigarette on him first. I'm not saying Dick is an angel (!) but he
tended to respond rather than initiate.
Hunter
do...@webtv.net says...
Firstly, I don't follow people because most people believe something.
I want evidence first. Earlier today some people said that Michelle
wrote on her chalkboard the numerical answer (likely 80) in the tie
breaker question for the HOH competition that was originally closer
to the correct answer (91) than the one she "corrected" and used
("65") but was lower than Natalie's winning number (75). I insisted
that people were wrong about her correcting herself and she used 65
from the start because her board was totally clean with no tell-tale
chalk smudge. Then I was shown a screen cap and indeed she had
flipped the board and wrote on the opposite side the answer she used.
I had missed the flip even when I viewed the tape again. I was
corrected with evidence. I apologized for being wrong, but I don't
apologize for not taking their word at face value because a lot of
what people assert turn out NOT to be true, such as an amazing amount
of things attributed to Natalie Martinez. Just because everyone says
something doesn't mean it is true. Riots that have killed literally
hundreds of people have been started because a falsehood. "Everyone"
believed it, but it turned out to be a lie.
I don't mean to seem intransigent but a lot of what people say about
her I haven't seen the evidence for. To the contrary it is the
opposite. I see a lot of commentary about what she allegedly did in
postings, but virtually nothing in the website RECAPS of the alleged
actions with time and date and where. Nothing to back it up, just
people retelling rumor and innuendo.
Also, people are making too big a thing about trash talk and Smack or
exaggerating it considering it a game. Natalie knows that and plays
it. Perhaps it is just she is just more into it than others. She
doesn't have a moral conflict in the DR room because she accepted
that it is make believe better than others. Hell, we complain-or at
least I do-about people whining all the time they were lied to, what
do they expect? Its part of the game. Lying IS the game right up to
the F2. I don't feel that Nat has anything to apologize for or act
emotional about concerning the game. Maybe she does for following
Chima's example, but for things like lying to others in the game so
what?
As for crying, supposedly not showing emotion as you state, this is
what I mean about people having short and/or selective memories. You
have forgotten her crying hard about her dad when she got her phone
call reward in the POV contest, the one Jeff threw for Jordan? She
cried then for Russell giving it to her for exchange for the Hawaiian
vacation she had. Russell didn't accept her thanks because he thought
it was an act (and so no one thought she and he were friends) but you
could tell from her reddish face that she was sincere and I think we
did see her cry in the DR later in appreciation so there is one
possible occasion of her crying in the DR if one is required.
Again, yes she lies but the complaints about her not only being the
so called worst houseguest ever but a unredeemable human being is WAY
OVER THE TOP and shrill. People have worked themselves up to be so
dead against her it is done without thinking. And what they complain
about as I said in the post previously have a context. I am not
saying she is perfect by no means. She did show poor sportsmanship
when she didn't take a shower for a week because she was a Have Not
because it was cold water was bad (and other acts of bad
sportsmanship like swearing vengeance for Chima and following her
lead, ironically with Natalie being accused of being disloyal), but
people are suggesting that she has bad hygiene outside of the house
as if it was normal for her.
You know, I had intended to post a long list of exaggerations and
downright falsehoods attributed to Natalie here. I did go into some
of it in previous post, but think I am going to post about that being
more specific about specific charges in its own thread. I haven't
decided on a title for it yet but you will be able to tell. You can
of course comment about them there. It should appear within a couple
of hours of this post.
Now I have read that people think she is lying about getting a
marriage proposal from her boyfriend. I believe it was true (as much
it breaks my heart LOL!). If anything because there is no reason for
it, but some people believe she is lying. We will see tomorrow night
(9/6/09).
Oh and btw, her wanting Jordan to demonstrate to her how to insert a
tampon maybe part of her cover about her being only 18 (although one
would suspect that a girl would learn how to do that as young as 11
with some girls, usually around 13. Of course not having any sisters
I don't know second hand LOL! But if true, Jordan isn't questioning
Natalie learning how to at (ostensively) 18? Me thinks that there is
something much more to that story that has gotten lost in all the
Hate Natalie hysterical frenzy out there.
Again, I am not saying Nat is perfect and hasn't done dumb things.
For one she should dump that stupid Nomination speech she intended to
say to Michelle dedicated to her slavish devotion to Chima but it
doesn't make her even close to being BB's worst housegest,
especially now that I have seemed to debunked many of what was used
against her in previous post and in my more detailed one next.
This game is about backstabbing people ultimately. As long as she
isn't this way OUTSIDE of the game she is fine with me.
It is easy to go with the Crowd, but the Crowd is often a Mindless
Mob. "They" could say anything and be lead by anybody. People took a
disliking to her because they have been in a echo chamber of false
and half false charges that snowballed into a chain reaction like a
game of "Telephone". I am not saying that Nat doesn't have SOME fault
in that, her backing Jessie and being a poor sport about him being
evicted and then backing Chima caused or at least exacerbated it, but
most of it wasn't her fault and lies got out of control without
anybody bothering to check with some of them actually said or done by
other people. Also big nice thing she did (remaining friends with
Ronnie) get overlooked.
Yes Nat has done a few questionable things but to call her the worse
BB houseguest in history with some of the vicious invective directed
at her based on false assumptions is a frenzy I refused to go with or
bend to.
David Hecht
No one is as bad as they seem. I even admitted to a sort of fantasy
crush on her a few weeks ago. However, time has changed this as aspects
of her nature became more obvious. She has done many cute things. One
that comes to mind was when they dared Kevin to hug Jessie and he sort
of laid next to him as he slept, bringing his arm up over him when
Natalie, very impishly and spontaneously, did the rest, moving him into
a more compromising position then quicky awakened Jessie. That was
really funny.
She has done many things, some of which we have seen and others we have
only heard about which goes back to what BB wants to show so no one can
say too much about her. However, from what i have seen, she exhibits an
almost constant, childish need to test people which, as it does with
children who, fortunately, grow out of it, gets on your nerves after
awhile. In short, she is not someone i would really want to know and it
is my right to hold this opinion.
Barbara L Sherrill
"David Hecht" <contem...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1376-4AA...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
My issue with her. She has mean things done or wants to do mean things, but
most of the time she has others do them for her... so she can say, I did
nothing wrong. I think what finally did me in with her was the other day,
when she told Kevin she wants to get red m & m's and put them in micheles
drinks and stuff. Michele is highly allergic to red food dyes and this could
have caused great physical harm. Nat has gone through Michele's things
resulting her to go play with Michele's birth control pills. BB called her
in quickly to DR and gave her one of their tongue lashings about messing
michele's things... The tongue lashing didn't last long, for she stolen
Michele's gloves the next day. The list goes on. I didn't get these things
from jokers or bbdish. These things were on the feeds and BBAD.
Natalie has absolutely no respect for anyone or anything. This includes
Allison. I can't stand people who are completely disrespectful in the way
she is....
One of the major issues I have with Natalie, she believes that people should
not be held accountable for their actions. She believes there is always
someone to blame for other peoples bad behavior. Chima comes to mind.
Natalie could careless, Chima was breaking rules from Day 1 and was
threatening to quit the moment she got put on have nots. Natalie could
careless that Chima through her mic in the water on purpose.... she blames
Michele for Chima's downfall... When Chima made decisions to break rules
everyday.
These are the things most dispise Natalie over.... for the fact that she and
Kevin both want to do physical harm to Michele had taken them over the top.
Kev was so bold he told Natalie (she rubbed off on him.. Kev was not like
this a month ago).. that he wanted to put bleach in Michele's eye contact
solution and Natalie was loving the idea. This is when BB finally called the
two in and basically told them enough was enough.. they were no longer
allowed to touch Micheles things and to leave her alone.
I will put part of the blame for things getting bad with Nat, on BB.. they
should be more strict in the enforcement of their rules then just slapping
wrist. They are part to blame for Chima getting so bad... just yelling at
trouble makers to stop it.. generally does not do anything. Now Chima is
paying the price.. she is not allowed at this moment on any Viacom property,
which at the moment has blown her chances to work at BET.
So I think.... its time for Allison to go back to the drawing board and
rethink on how they are going to stop things, before they get as out of
control as they did this season. I have never seen such a house that was as
disrepectful as this one and that went out of its way to make peoples lives
a living hell.....
These are things I had witness with many others... and majority of the
people on the feeds are also saying.. things to need to change, before they
have house where someone gets injured by another HG, because bb wants great
TV. You can have great TV without violence, but I think its going to take
violence before BB decides they need to be strict again!
Barbara
Avanti
"Barbara L Sherrill" <barbaral...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:h80do6$kg1$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Nonsense! If Nat was over the top...if BB felt she had done anything to
warrant getting thrown off the show...she would have been booted! In other
seasons players have hidden the private property of others, and there hasn't
been this big uproar about it. But because it's her...So what she steps "up"
to the line...she hasn't "crossed' that line and that is what is important.
Nat is there to win cash, and I'm sure she couldn't care less who doesn't
approve of her game play. She's not playing for friends, I'm sure she has
them...she's playing for the money.
Barbara L Sherrill
"Avanti" <sp...@spam.com> wrote in message
news:h80f0g$ti9$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
How far is she willing to go for that money. Yes she crossed the line the
moment she touched Michele's birth control pills. That is OFF limits. You
can play for money without selling your soul to the devil. People do it all
the time. Nat has NO excuses for her bad behavior..expect she wanted to act
out....
Barbara
Avanti
I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because if they
did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
Hunter
lcr...@home.ca says...
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 06:04:05 -0400, Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Now, if Natalie threw Michelle's birth control pills and wedding
> >rings in the trash that was mean spirited to say the least; and it
> >doesn't reflect well on Kevin either does it since he joined her. And
> >does it come up to the level of using someone else's toothbrush to
> >scrub someone's toilet?
>
> There are plenty of really nasty things you can do with birth control
> pills that don't involve stealing them. Given the varying hormonal
> doses through the month typical of most birth control pills by
> shuffling them you can really mess up your victim's fertility cycle
> and that can make her sick or even pregnant (I think it's reasonable
> to expect Michelle and hubby to do what most married couples who have
> been apart for 2+ months would do ASAP after leaving the BB house).
>
> Medically you're supposed to be off the pill for at least a month
> before trying to get pregnant so there are medical reasons for that
> thus whether it's additional risk to Mom or the conceived child either
> way (I forget - it hasn't been an issue for us for some years) that's
> serious.
But again, she didn't intend to steal her birth control pills to take
them but examine them as to how Michelle used thema s a study aid to
keep track of the days:
On August 19-20 2009:
"Michelle:
Bonus ups for disclosing she's using her birth control pills as a
calendar study aid - no Play doh or Skittles required."
http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082009.shtml
She was using the pill's calender to help her in the competitions. A
few days later Kevin (lets not forget that he was there) and Natalie
tried to see how she was using them as a calendar/study aid.
On August 25-26, 2009
"Kevin:
He's getting ickier as Natalie rubs off on him, but he's also psst
pssting a lot with Russell and who knows what that's about? Pulling
out Michele's birth control pills to try to figure out how she uses
them as a calendar/study aid was bad, and going through all of her
stuff to try to find her comp gloves to steal was worse. For some
magical reason, she (Michelle-) came down and looked through her
stuff minutes after they went through everything - after a short
fishies. It was almost as big a miracle as levitating on tv!
http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082609.shtml
While it is wrong for them to go through her things, from the above
they had no intention of hiding them or destroying them or tampering
with the actual pills but to find out how Michelle was using the Pill
calendar as a study aid for the intellectual/memory comps.
And I have another source laying out another occasion, this one began
with Russell informing them. It was *Kevin's* idea to hide the pills
and Natalie DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO TOUCH THEM but she did want to hide
them, presumably so Mich couldn't study.
Big Brother 11 Updates 1:00 am BBT Thursday, August 27, 2009 -
Kevin/Natalie study for HOH
"They return to the posh room. Natalie and Kevin are going to look
through Michele's things in the locker in the bathroom. Russell tells
Natalie and Kevin that he thinks Michele uses her birth control pill
pack to remember the days. Natalie says let's go look. She says if
it's pills I won't touch it. Natalie looks through Michele's birth
control pills. Kevin then has a look too. Kevin says it's too bad
that we can't hide things. Natalie says she is going to go ask and
rings the DR bell. She tells Kevin to come with her, he says no, I'm
not doing it. Russell accompanies Natalie into the DR. Kevin
wanders around counting and picking up trash. Kevin returns to the
room and begins making his bed."
Later she reports what answer she got from BB:
"Posh room: Natalie says we are not allowed to move BB property, but
we can hide each other's property."
Both http://tinyurl.com/lzbe25
It was Kevin who had the idea of hiding the pills, Natalie went to
ask BB if they could do it and BB said yes they could, but Kevin and
Nat's idea was to hide the calendar so Michelle couldn't study.
And Michelle wasn't the only one to use a Pill Calender to help them
study:
August 18, 2009
"At 2:10am BBT, Jordan insisted using her birth control pills to make
an events calendar. Jeff went to get it & said 'Should I be touching
this stuff?"."
http://big-brother-11-blog.blogspot.com/2009/08/overnighter_18.html
So you see, There was a context as to why Kevin and Natalie wanted to
see her BC Pills and Kevin wanting to initially hide them. Both
Jordan and Michelle were using their calendars to help them in
competitions and you know Jordan is doing that she will let Jeff use
the Calendar. Neither Natalie and I'm sure Kevin have BC Pills to use
their calendars to help them study. It was not to screw or sabotage
them like the foaming at the mouth Natalie haters thought. Also, I
have read how they are mad that Kevin and Natalie studied using
illegal calendars, presumably calendars being illegal in BB, well
that is the case then Jordan, Michelle and most likely Jeff were
doing something illegal as well and Nat virtually asked permission
from BB to hide them.
>
> >The red food coloring incident that was nasty but it wasn't carried
> >out and it was Lydia and Chima as well as Natalie who came up with
> >it. Indeed, who's idea was it?
>
> If someone administers a non-toxic substance that he/she knows the
> victim is allergic to that's pretty serious in my books. It's harmless
> fun if he/she doesn't know of the allergy but if they do that's pretty
> unconscionable.
---
I found out more information about it since you last posted. It was
Lydia who came up with the idea:
Friday, August 14, 2009 Big Brother 11 Live Feeds Bulletin -
Nominations 8/14. At 8/15/2009 3:53 AM,
"...Lydia threatening to put red mm's in Michelle's drink knowing
that she's allergic to red dye...."
And Natalie stopped her by saying it would be mean. Natalie is
getting blamed for things she didn't do and most of the things she is
really guilty of, like trying to study Michelle's BC Pills, aren't
anywhere near horrible when the context is known.
Ron
<barbaralsherr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> > "Barbara L Sherrill" <barbaralsherr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:h80do6$kg1$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
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> >> "David Hecht" <contemplat...@webtv.net> wrote in message
Personal property is personal property. How is that any different from
Jen destroying ED's cigarettes?
Are you kidding
"Ron" <BigEL...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:663dac92-c7f4-46cc...@e8g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
Except to the best of my recollection ED blew smoke in her face and then
tried to burn her, so perhaps she had a little justification for destroying
them. Let's face it, for some unknown reason a lot of fans, including women,
seemed to enjoy EDs abuse of women, and thus BB tolerated a lot of things
that they would not otherwise have tolerated.
Hunter
barbaral...@hotmail.com says...
>
> "David Hecht" <contem...@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:1376-4AA...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
> > Hunter,
> >
> > No one is as bad as they seem. I even admitted to a sort of fantasy
> > crush on her a few weeks ago. However, time has changed this as aspects
> > of her nature became more obvious. She has done many cute things. One
> > that comes to mind was when they dared Kevin to hug Jessie and he sort
> > of laid next to him as he slept, bringing his arm up over him when
> > Natalie, very impishly and spontaneously, did the rest, moving him into
> > a more compromising position then quicky awakened Jessie. That was
> > really funny.
> >
> > She has done many things, some of which we have seen and others we have
> > only heard about which goes back to what BB wants to show so no one can
> > say too much about her. However, from what i have seen, she exhibits an
> > almost constant, childish need to test people which, as it does with
> > children who, fortunately, grow out of it, gets on your nerves after
> > awhile. In short, she is not someone i would really want to know and it
> > is my right to hold this opinion.
> >
>
> My issue with her. She has mean things done or wants to do mean things, but
> most of the time she has others do them for her... so she can say, I did
> nothing wrong.
So now you are going to blame her for what others do? What did she
get others to do, and I don't mean getting people to nominate her
targets so she wouldn't be blamed. That is smart, intelligent game
play. If she is doing that then she is one of the *Smartest* players
in BB history.
>
> I think what finally did me in with her was the other day,
> when she told Kevin she wants to get red m & m's and put them in micheles
> drinks and stuff. Michele is highly allergic to red food dyes and this could
> have caused great physical harm.
Not true, that was Lydia:
"Jan Zurovec
August 15th, 2009
I don t have an account set up to chat on your site, but I m
disturbed that nobody took note last night of Lydia suggesting to
Natalie that she put a red candy in Michelle s food. Michelle has
told the HG s that she has a potentially fatal allergy to red dye.
Natalie s reaction was something like dude, that s mean. The
exchange took place while they were in the red room with the chess
board set up using candy to calendar dates. I really hope production
caught that comment. I plan on finding it on flashback. If I were
Michelle s family I would be making some calls."
If this is true it was LYDIA suggesting to Natalie that they do it
and it was NATALIE who that shot it down! Here is another at the time
it happened source:
"The (TV) Show Must Go On...
Friday, August 14, 2009 Big Brother 11 Live Feeds Bulletin -
Nominations 8/14. At 8/15/2009 3:53 AM,
"...Lydia threatening to put red mm's in Michelle's drink knowing
that she's allergic to red dye...."
Again, it was Lydia. Show me a recap source that says it was Natalie,
and I mean a recap article giving date time and place it was said.
Better still video.
>
> Nat has gone through Michele's things resulting her to go play with
> Michele's birth control pills. BB called her in quickly to DR and
> gave her one of their tongue lashings about messing michele's things...
----
No it wasn't. She asked if they could hide other houseguest things
and BB said yes apparently with Russell witnessing. And it wasn't for
the Birth control pills themselves but for the calendar in them that
Michelle was using to study with. Jordan was doing the same with
hers:
On August 19-20 2009:
"Michelle:
Bonus ups for disclosing she's using her birth control pills as a
calendar study aid - no Play doh or Skittles required."
http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082009.shtml
and
On August 25-26, 2009
"Kevin:
He's getting ickier as Natalie rubs off on him, but he's also psst
pssting a lot with Russell and who knows what that's about? Pulling
out Michele's birth control pills to try to figure out how she uses
them as a calendar/study aid was bad, and going through all of her
stuff to try to find her comp gloves to steal was worse. For some
magical reason, she (Michelle-) came down and looked through her
stuff minutes after they went through everything - after a short
fishies. It was almost as big a miracle as levitating on tv!"
http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082609.shtml
and:
Big Brother 11 Updates 1:00 am BBT Thursday, August 27, 2009 -
Kevin/Natalie study for HOH
"They return to the posh room. Natalie and Kevin are going to look
through Michele's things in the locker in the bathroom. Russell tells
Natalie and Kevin that he thinks Michele uses her birth control pill
pack to remember the days. Natalie says let's go look. She says if
it's pills I won't touch it. Natalie looks through Michele's birth
control pills. Kevin then has a look too. Kevin says it's too bad
that we can't hide things. Natalie says she is going to go ask and
rings the DR bell. She tells Kevin to come with her, he says no, I'm
not doing it. Russell accompanies Natalie into the DR. Kevin
wanders around counting and picking up trash. Kevin returns to the
room and begins making his bed."
Later she reports what answer she got from BB:
"Posh room: Natalie says we are not allowed to move BB property, but
we can hide each other's property."
Both http://tinyurl.com/lzbe25
It was Kevin who had the idea of hiding the pills, Natalie went to
ask BB if they could do it with Russell in the DR room with her and
BB apparently said yes they could, but Kevin and Nat's idea was to
hide the calendar so Michelle couldn't study. Natalie said she
wouldn't even touch the pills. They were only interested in the
calender.
>
> The tongue lashing didn't last long, for she stolen
> Michele's gloves the next day. The list goes on.
---
You are on more solid ground with the glove thing that but keep in
mind she actually asked permission if she could hide contestant's
stuff.
Big Brother 11 Updates 3:00 am BBT, Sunday, August 30, 2009 -
Natalie/Jeff/Jordan talk and talk
Written by vic2rea Sunday, 30 August 2009 11:01
"Natalie finds gloves in the outside locker and claims them for
herself. Kevin says hide that s* so no one else can get it. She
says I am. They go through the clean clothes folded neatly on the
dryer. Natalie says Michele quick washes everything, that's why her
s* always smells. Kevin says what is quick wash. Natalie says 25
minutes. Kevin says what??? He says I'm going to bed and goes
inside. Natalie says good night. Kevin goes upstairs. Natalie goes
to the posh room.
This one includes *Russell* in the attempted great gloves heist
Location: Big Brother 11 News
Item: The Overnighter
August 28, 2009 1:51am BBT:
Kevin/Natalie/Russell went through Michelle's things trying to steal
her gloves (for comps) since Michele said earlier that she was
planning on using them for the HoH comp & Natalie can't find her own
gloves. The end result? They couldn't find them. Russ said that
knowing how crazy Michele is, there's no telling where her gloves
could be.
So it was Nat, Kev and Russell. It is strange how Kevin and Russell
is left out of it in the anti Natalie tirades. Apparently Russ has
forgiven Nat for stealing his rosary.
>
> I didn't get these things
> from jokers or bbdish. These things were on the feeds and BBAD.
--
Then you misinterpreted what you saw because there have been NO recap
cites that says Nat stole birth control Pills, or threatened to put
red dye in Mich's food. Again, anyone cite a recap source that gives
time date and place it was said by Natalie.
>
> Natalie has absolutely no respect for anyone or anything.
----
She sure did for Chima and Jessie didn't she?
>
> This includes Allison. I can't stand people who are completely disrespectful in the way
> she is....
----
Considering that you are holding her responsible in part at least for
Chima's behavior and attributing many things to Natalie that was done
or said by other people I think your assessment is faulty.
>
> One of the major issues I have with Natalie, she believes that people should
> not be held accountable for their actions. She believes there is always
> someone to blame for other peoples bad behavior. Chima comes to mind.
> Natalie could careless, Chima was breaking rules from Day 1 and was
> threatening to quit the moment she got put on have nots. Natalie could
> careless that Chima through her mic in the water on purpose.... she blames
> Michele for Chima's downfall... When Chima made decisions to break rules
> everyday.
----
In this case there is truth and I pointed out this flaw myself. The
same for her devotion to Jessie. She should had acted like Kevin and
distance herself. But Natalie did try to cover for Chima she
shouldn't but Nat is not responsible for Chima's actions.
>
> These are the things most dispise Natalie over.... for the fact that she and
> Kevin both want to do physical harm to Michele had taken them over the top.
---
Again, see above. You are despising her in part for things that are
not true or greatly exaggerated. And if BB thought there would be
physical harm to the others in the house I would think they would
give her more than a tongue lashing. That would be assault. BB
wouldn't let Nat drink if she was really 18. I doubt they would stand
by and watch while red dye is administered or bleach poured in a
contact solution bottle, not after the knife incident in season 2
IIRC. Again, cite a source that says Nat said she wanted to bleach
contacts or put red dye in Mich's food. Date, time, place.
>
> Kev was so bold he told Natalie (she rubbed off on him.. Kev was not like
> this a month ago).. that he wanted to put bleach in Michele's eye contact
> solution and Natalie was loving the idea. This is when BB finally called the
> two in and basically told them enough was enough.. they were no longer
> allowed to touch Micheles things and to leave her alone.
----
This is a slur on Kevin as well as Natalie. Cite a source that says
either had said that please. I have looked far and wide and couldn't
find one that says Kevin or Natalie wanted to put bleach in Michele's
eye contact solution. And when I mean source I mean the website
itself, the article on the incident, not a poster like us unless
he/she cites a source with time index, date and place. And as I
pointed out. Natalie asked BB if they could hide other people's
stuff, and Russell witnessed it.
>
> I will put part of the blame for things getting bad with Nat, on BB.. they
> should be more strict in the enforcement of their rules then just slapping
> wrist.
---
See above, in some cases BB said it was okay to hide people's stuff
and in any case many cases of what you think is true isn't.
>
> They are part to blame for Chima getting so bad... just yelling at
> trouble makers to stop it.. generally does not do anything. Now Chima is
> paying the price.. she is not allowed at this moment on any Viacom property,
> which at the moment has blown her chances to work at BET.
---
How that is BB's fault? Chima is 33 years old. Chima did all those
things herself. If anything Natalie foolishly tried to cover for
Chima, saying to Lydia as Lydia was trying to fish the device out
that maybe they can say if fell out of Chima's hand, forgetting the
cameras all over the place. She was loyal to Chima, Too loyal. BB had
no responsibility. Giving her a chance to straighten up and fly right
was the right thing to do. Chima I do give Chima a break in that her
apparent rabid desire for control and having that control taken from
her by the coup d'etat sent her over the edge maybe in part caused by
what she went through. But that was by no means BB's fault her
meltdown.
>
> So I think.... its time for Allison to go back to the drawing board and
> rethink on how they are going to stop things, before they get as out of
> control as they did this season. I have never seen such a house that was as
> disrepectful as this one and that went out of its way to make peoples lives
> a living hell.....
----
Funny living hell, for someone who is victim of Natalie so called
living hell Michelle helped her with the Tampon thing.
>
> These are things I had witness with many others... and majority of the
> people on the feeds are also saying.. things to need to change, before they
> have house where someone gets injured by another HG, because bb wants great
> TV. You can have great TV without violence, but I think its going to take
> violence before BB decides they need to be strict again!
>
> Barbara
---
Then you and others could easily cite a source that back up the
accusations. If not you a more dedicated person with the live feeds
and BBAD that can provide video on youtube or youtube like sites. I
mean Kevin or Natalie suggesting that they bleach someone's contact
lens solution would be BIG thing wouldn't it? Someone suggesting that
they should essentially blind someone in at least one eye would be a
hot tape, hotly reported on the recap sites in flash back right? So
would essentially poisoning someone.
Let's see it. Date, time and place. Let people use there Google
power like I did.
do...@webtv.net
'The Big E' said:
"Personal property is personal property. How is that any different from
Jen destroying ED's cigarettes?"
How about insulin...or a meter to check blood sugar or glucose tabs to
control the levels...or...an asthma rescue inhaler?
I would never argue with 'The Big E'...we just 'discuss'. :-)
The thing that I find MOST troubling...is that Gnat says that she is
playing the cleanest game in BB history.
Maybe we'll see what happens.
Chaldean
offered us these thoughts:
Actually, Jen got in trouble with BB for what she did to the Dick's
cigarettes. I don't remember details, since I didn't care for either
of them, but for sure she didn't get a pass. And she was provoked by
the Dick -- although they both were guilty of "he hit me back first!!"
Mind you, I'm not a participant in the bash/save gNat pattern of this
group. Just this point seems like a red herring.
--
Bob
Dale Hicks
says...
> >Personal property is personal property. How is that any different from
> >Jen destroying ED's cigarettes?
>
> Actually, Jen got in trouble with BB for what she did to the Dick's
> cigarettes. I don't remember details, since I didn't care for either
> of them, but for sure she didn't get a pass.
Actually, she kinda did, as it was overcome by events. Her
"performing eating" got her the penalty vote and the automatic
penalty nom the next week had she stayed. The cigarette thing went
unpunished (or was "folded into" the other punishment).
--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
Brian Smith
> In article <q818a55fii3pps0rkhir7tqurf0glfi...@4ax.com>, Chaldean
Didn't BB say they would replace ED's destroyed cigs? They probably
took the cost out of Jen's stipend money.
Brian
Hunter
barbaral...@hotmail.com says...
Again Kevin and Nat didn't get the Birth Control Pills for the pills
themselves but for the CALENDER in them that Michelle was using as a
study guide
On August 19-20 2009:
"Michelle:
Bonus ups for disclosing she's using her birth control pills as a
calendar study aid - no Play doh or Skittles required."
http://www.hamsterwatch.com/bb11/082009.shtml
and again:
Big Brother 11 Updates 1:00 am BBT Thursday, August 27, 2009 -
Kevin/Natalie study for HOH
"They return to the posh room. Natalie and Kevin are going to look
through Michele's things in the locker in the bathroom. Russell tells
Natalie and Kevin that he thinks Michele uses her birth control pill
pack to remember the days. Natalie says let's go look. She says if
it's pills I won't touch it. Natalie looks through Michele's birth
control pills. Kevin then has a look too. Kevin says it's too bad
that we can't hide things. Natalie says she is going to go ask and
rings the DR bell. She tells Kevin to come with her, he says no, I'm
not doing it. Russell accompanies Natalie into the DR. Kevin
wanders around counting and picking up trash. Kevin returns to the
room and begins making his bed."
Later she reports what answer she got from BB:
"Posh room: Natalie says we are not allowed to move BB property, but
we can hide each other's property."
Both http://tinyurl.com/lzbe25
And Jordan were using her pill pack in much the same way using the
calendar in the pack to remember events in the house and no doubt
sharing it with Jeff at the time (the Calender, not the pills).
>
> You can play for money without selling your soul to the devil. People do it all
> the time.
>
> Nat has NO excuses for her bad behavior..expect she wanted to act
> out....
>
> Barbara
----
ROFLMHO!! BB IS NOT REAL LIFE! Most people are not on a gameshow that
is geared to MAKE YOU lie betray and flip flop repeatedly like "Big
Brother" or "Survivor" or to some extent "The Amazing Race" THAT IS
WHY IT IS A HUGE MISTAKE TO JUDGE PEOPLE ON GAME SHOWS IN WHICH
TREACHERY IS THE PRIME MOVER! I don't even judge Evel Dick from
season 8 too much on that basis, it is just that he did carry things
too far even for BB by attacking people physically like blowing smoke
in their face or dunking ice tea on their heads. That was going too
far as is racist comments.
Hunter
contem...@webtv.net says...
Even if it is based on mistaken things that are completely wrong?
You're entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to show most of
those opinions are based on fallacies. And it not a mere crush I do
this, it is a recognition of the unfairness of it. I am one of those
who agree with everyone that Chima was out of control even unstable
she has provided clear evidence that we have seen and recounted on BB
11 recap sites in the actual recaps or Youtube and Youtube like video
of the incidences.
However, when people started to question wether she was raped or not
and if she was she must had gotten a huge multimillion dollar
settlement, all based on not a shred of evidence but only because
they don't like her, I said "Whoa" the anti-Chima thing has gone way
too far and came to her defense on that level (Now that the "Cold
Case Files" episode based on her horrible experience aired and my
recap of it that I posted no such talk has occurred). Even with
people you don't like you must be fair. Slander is never good.
As I said the vitriol against Natalie is way over the top and people
really believe that she will put people's life in danger and throw
away property that is dear to others. I will NOT sit by having
evidence to the contrary and not present it. Remember people are
saying she is evil, sick, dirty, dangerous, unemotional. With the
most ugly charges against her, did you see it reported in a BB 11
recap report on a fansite-*not* a mere poster replying to it-or was
it someone's posting about what they *think* they heard? Fictional
example:
"Yeah I read somewhere that Natalie flushed Michelle's bra down the
toilet! BB should stop her! I don't understand why they don't!"
Something like that? I think that is how most people are hearing the
alleged crimes of Nat, from people posting on what they *think*
happened from other posters reporting it as fact and not from an
actual BB recap or video showing it with a time and date of it
happening.
Do you believe Natalie stole Michelle's Birth control pills? She
didn't. Did you believe that she at least thought about putting red
dye in Michelle's food/drink? She didn't. Did she steal/throw
Michelle's wedding ring in the trash? She didn't. I provided evidence
that she didn't do any of that elsewhere. And the kicker is some of
the things attributed to her was done or suggested by others like it
was Lydia who suggested putting red dye in Mich's drink, not Nat and
it was Nat who said no to it.
I am not saying one has to like her, I am saying don't base your
dislike on false things. You are entitled to your opinion, and my
opinion is in dissension with most people here and elsewhere on other
BB fan sites, but I have backed up what I say with actual reports at
the time by those who recap. And really, I am one of the few people
who have taken Nat's side in most things Surely people can take that
a little confrontation of their opinions.
And how would anyone know what BB producers *isn't* showing about
her? Did someone just post that conclusion in the comment and reply
area of a BB recap article where people could say anything? Are they
part of the production crew? And if they say they are how do you or
anyone else know they really are?
Sorry, I don't care if she was Adolf Hitler or Saddam Hussein. You
tell the truth about something if only for credibility's sake because
if people find out that people were lying them about anything, people
would figure maybe everything else is a lie. With more everyday
people, why would you remain silent when you know something is not
true about them?
As for Nat supposedly testing people it is called head games, and who
knows, maybe it is an act considering she is saying that she is 18
and perhaps you would expect behavior like that from someone so
young; along with having other women show her how to use a tampon.
She came into the house wanting everyone thinking she was practically
a kid. Well, how would you act?
Oh and strange behavior of Michelle offering such sisterly advice to
a person who supposed to have at least thought about poisoning her
and threw her wedding ring in the trash and steal her Birth Control
Pills.
Chaldean
these thoughts:
Your response tweaked me, so I decided to use the most advanced memory
aid known to man: Google. I should have paid attention to the details,
as the story is {for BB} pretty interesting.
Jen says she was told before entering the house she could destroy
cigarettes. So responding to a moment when the Dick had hit her back
first, she decided to enact her vendetta against the cancer sticks.
While doing so, she was called to the diary room. {Allison later said,
in effect, "We don't talk about reprimands, etc. that go on in the
diary room."}
BB replaced the destroyed cigarettes. The Dick, being the hugely
mature person we all know him to be, decided to rub Jen's nose in the
fact. Jen says she felt betrayed by BB, and that is why she decided to
"perform eating." {That phrase always makes my mind tilt, like the old
pinball machines.}
So she didn't get a pass, and we can't know how/if she was punished
for the cigarettes. But her behavior there probably contributed to the
intensity of the punishments she did get, since the whole thing seems
to be a package deal.
And I'm not really a participant in the save/bash the Dick movements,
either! <grins>
--
Bob
NovoDogs
any of the long time
favs like Dr Will. He sat around and had everyone else do his dirty
work for him and
that is the same thing she has been doing. Early in the game she ran
that house and
even now she was still manipulating Kevin and had him get rid of Jeff
and left the blood on his
hands. Will had so many fans but Natalie whose game is so similar is
hated so badly.
Is it because she is a woman playing that kind of game? I think it's
bullshit myself.
I think Natalie did a good job of having NO ONE see her as a threat
because she
did bad in the competitions, she did an outstanding job of getting
everyone else to
do her dirty work and yet she is talked about like a worthless player,
yes, bullshit.
And give me a break with the damn she lied crap because every single
person in
that house lied and allot more than she ever did. Your little honey
Michelle is one of them
and don't give me the husband's BS about her memory either because
that thing with Russel,
she claimed not to remember was literally seconds after she said it
and I don't believe she
forgot something she said like 45 seconds before he called Chima into
the room to confirm it.
Chaldean
<novo...@fastmail.fm> offered us these thoughts:
> I don't get it either, Natalie isn't playing any worse a game than
>any of the long time
>favs like Dr Will. He sat around and had everyone else do his dirty
>work for him and
>that is the same thing she has been doing. Early in the game she ran
>that house and
>even now she was still manipulating Kevin and had him get rid of Jeff
>and left the blood on his
>hands. Will had so many fans but Natalie whose game is so similar is
>hated so badly.
>Is it because she is a woman playing that kind of game? I think it's
>bullshit myself.
I can't speak for others. This is just me.
I disliked Dr. Will as a player, but he was a pretty appealing
*person*. His All-Stars speech about "I hate you all equally," is just
a gem of good humor, but the way he exploited Janelle still rubs me
the wrong way.
It is true, from what I can tell, that Natalie is playing in a similar
way -- maybe a hybrid of Dr. Will and Maggie. But when I see her on
camera, and especially if she speaks, I find myself repelled. The
context doesn't matter. Her personality grates on me.
This difference between Dr. Will and Natalie is HUGE. He didn't take
himself especially seriously, it seems to me. I don't know if Natalie
knows how to laugh. His game play was morally odious, but he
advertised the fact. Her game play is morally odious, but she talks
like she's Mother Theresa.
But lordy, it never crossed my mind, that sexism has anything to do
with the gNat haters. I thought she achieved her status completely
according to her own gender-neutral efforts.
>I think Natalie did a good job of having NO ONE see her as a threat
>because she
>did bad in the competitions, she did an outstanding job of getting
>everyone else to
>do her dirty work and yet she is talked about like a worthless player,
>yes, bullshit.
>
>And give me a break with the damn she lied crap because every single
>person in
>that house lied and allot more than she ever did. Your little honey
>Michelle is one of them
>and don't give me the husband's BS about her memory either because
>that thing with Russel,
>she claimed not to remember was literally seconds after she said it
>and I don't believe she
>forgot something she said like 45 seconds before he called Chima into
>the room to confirm it.
--
Bob
Ron
> 'The Big E' said:
>
> "Personal property is personal property. How is that any different from
> Jen destroying ED's cigarettes?"
>
> How about insulin...or a meter to check blood sugar or glucose tabs to
> control the levels...or...an asthma rescue inhaler?
But it wasn't those things, and from what Hunter posted, they weren't
planing on doing anything bad with them. They just wanted to know how
she was using the case to help her remember things. I would like to
see that myself! lol
Ron
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <BigELil...@msn.com>
I love it when people say they were "provoked". Being "provoked" means
you have no self-control. People are responsible for their own
actions, "provoked" or not.
do...@webtv.net
Bob the C. said:
"Mind you, I'm not a participant in the bash/save gNat pattern of this
group. Just this point seems like a red herring."
Herring on saltine crackers is very good.
Chaldean
offered us these thoughts:
>> Actually, Jen got in trouble with BB for what she did to the Dick's
>> cigarettes. I don't remember details, since I didn't care for either
>> of them, but for sure she didn't get a pass. And she was provoked by
>> the Dick -- although they both were guilty of "he hit me back first!!"
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not a participant in the bash/save gNat pattern of this
>> group. Just this point seems like a red herring.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>
>I love it when people say they were "provoked". Being "provoked" means
>you have no self-control. People are responsible for their own
>actions, "provoked" or not.
provoke
tr.v. provoked, provoking, provokes
1. To incite to anger or resentment.
2. To stir to action or feeling.
3. To give rise to; evoke: provoke laughter.
4. To bring about deliberately; induce: provoke a fight.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/provoked
Off-hand, I can't think of a single word for the meaning you
misassociated with "provoke." The phrase "drove me crazy," possibly.
Not only are people responsible for *actions* provoked by others, some
psychological schools hold we are responsible for the *emotions* we
experience when others set about deliberately to induce them. The
provocation is still there, of course. Only "where lies the moral
culpability" differs.
--
Bob
shawn
>On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:07:15 -0700 (PDT), NovoDogs
><novo...@fastmail.fm> offered us these thoughts:
>
>> I don't get it either, Natalie isn't playing any worse a game than
>>any of the long time
>>favs like Dr Will. He sat around and had everyone else do his dirty
>>work for him and
>>that is the same thing she has been doing. Early in the game she ran
>>that house and
>>even now she was still manipulating Kevin and had him get rid of Jeff
>>and left the blood on his
>>hands. Will had so many fans but Natalie whose game is so similar is
>>hated so badly.
>>Is it because she is a woman playing that kind of game? I think it's
>>bullshit myself.
>
>I can't speak for others. This is just me.
>
>I disliked Dr. Will as a player, but he was a pretty appealing
>*person*. His All-Stars speech about "I hate you all equally," is just
>a gem of good humor, but the way he exploited Janelle still rubs me
>the wrong way.
Fully agree. The big difference is that Will had a sense of fun about
him. Most everything done was with that idea at heart. Much of what
Natalie does is from a mean spirited take. That can be seen just from
some of her comments today about making their (Jordan and Michele's)
last days in the house miserable. I fully understand her being happy
about the situation but going out of the way to make other people
happy and constantly calling them the devil and evil, while stating
that you are good and innocent just doesn't sit well with me. At least
when Evil Dick did his stuff he never pretended to be innocent.
>It is true, from what I can tell, that Natalie is playing in a similar
>way -- maybe a hybrid of Dr. Will and Maggie. But when I see her on
>camera, and especially if she speaks, I find myself repelled. The
>context doesn't matter. Her personality grates on me.
I don't think so. I see her as playing more of the floater role than
the active role that Dr. Will or Maggie played. She was just very
lucky to be tied into the hot group up front and having Jessie take a
fancy to her. Her personality is the main problem. She doesn't seem
to have any regard for other people which explains much of her
behavior.
>This difference between Dr. Will and Natalie is HUGE. He didn't take
>himself especially seriously, it seems to me. I don't know if Natalie
>knows how to laugh. His game play was morally odious, but he
>advertised the fact. Her game play is morally odious, but she talks
>like she's Mother Theresa.
Will was just there to have a good time in both of his seasons.
Natalie didn't seem that interested in having a good time much of the
time. I agree about her behavior and find it odd that she keeps
claiming she played an innocent game. The only person that ever seemed
to believe it was Jordan and I believe she's come to realize it isn't
the case.
>But lordy, it never crossed my mind, that sexism has anything to do
>with the gNat haters. I thought she achieved her status completely
>according to her own gender-neutral efforts.
I don't think sexism has anything to do with it. Other people that
behaved in bad ways in the past were called out for that behavior like
Jase. He behaved very badly in both seasons and I recall many people
talking about that behavior.
>>I think Natalie did a good job of having NO ONE see her as a threat
>>because she
>>did bad in the competitions, she did an outstanding job of getting
>>everyone else to
>>do her dirty work and yet she is talked about like a worthless player,
>>yes, bullshit.
That's because she was a worthless player that got to the end as a
floater. It's a method of game that only works if you end up having
strong allies which she did due to her being on the athletes team. Had
Jeff/Jordan decided to get Kevin out instead of Lydia it's very likely
that Natalie would be in the jury house.
>>And give me a break with the damn she lied crap because every single
>>person in
>>that house lied and allot more than she ever did. Your little honey
>>Michelle is one of them
>>and don't give me the husband's BS about her memory either because
>>that thing with Russel,
>>she claimed not to remember was literally seconds after she said it
>>and I don't believe she
>>forgot something she said like 45 seconds before he called Chima into
>>the room to confirm it.
The thing with Russell was always going to play out that way because
Russell was bringing it up in front of other people. Michele wasn't
going to admit to it in front of others, much like anyone else in the
house. Russell even admitted to it later on when they were alone that
he shouldn't have done it. It creates problems when your allies are
trying to throw you under the bus. Unfortunately her poor short term
memory for conversations created a lot of problems for her in that
house, as well as giving her an out if she didn't want to admit to
something. (Though it's not much of an out as people kept disbelieving
her memory of conversations could be that bad.)
For me it's not the lies but the constant lying which reminds me of
Ronnie. Lies that are told for no reasonable reason in a game sense.
When that's added to her overall personality and her mean approach to
dealing with others it adds up to a person that I don't care for at
all. It's possible to play the game (that includes lying) without
behaving as Natalie has.
Kathy
I bet she will care when she comes out and realizes how despised she is.
Kathy
Ron
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:45:54 -0700 (PDT), Ron <BigELil...@msn.com>
"to stir to action"
You're the one that said that ED provoked her to destroy his cigs, so
what did you mean by that?
Avanti
"Chaldean" wrote in message
news:7pb8a51548s9762fb...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 14:45:54 -0700 (PDT), Ron <BigEL...@msn.com>
> offered us these thoughts:
>
>>> Actually, Jen got in trouble with BB for what she did to the Dick's
>>> cigarettes. I don't remember details, since I didn't care for either
>>> of them, but for sure she didn't get a pass. And she was provoked by
>>> the Dick -- although they both were guilty of "he hit me back first!!"
>>>
>>> Mind you, I'm not a participant in the bash/save gNat pattern of this
>>> group. Just this point seems like a red herring.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>
>>I love it when people say they were "provoked". Being "provoked" means
>>you have no self-control. People are responsible for their own
>>actions, "provoked" or not.
Being "provoked" means you have no self control. Ok...that sounds like a
statement, not a definition. A statement by the way I happen to agree with.
(which is odd because Ron and I agree on so little)
Avanti
"Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:7giqcsF...@mid.individual.net...
Who was the villain in BB2...what about BB3, 4??? Chances are unless you're
a BIG fan you don't know or care. I don't know what the ratings are for this
show...but there are many people that won't even know who Nat is, and even
more that won't care. Only BB fans will know and talk about it, and trust
me, they are a minority!
Ron
> "Chaldean" wrote in message
>
> news:7pb8a51548s9762fb...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > offered us these thoughts:
>
> >>> Actually, Jen got in trouble with BB for what she did to the Dick's
> >>> cigarettes. I don't remember details, since I didn't care for either
> >>> of them, but for sure she didn't get a pass. And she was provoked by
> >>> the Dick -- although they both were guilty of "he hit me back first!!"
>
> >>> Mind you, I'm not a participant in the bash/save gNat pattern of this
> >>> group. Just this point seems like a red herring.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Bob
>
> >>I love it when people say they were "provoked". Being "provoked" means
> >>you have no self-control. People are responsible for their own
> >>actions, "provoked" or not.
>
> Being "provoked" means you have no self control. Ok...that sounds like a
> statement, not a definition. A statement by the way I happen to agree with.
> (which is odd because Ron and I agree on so little)
Correct.
Guess I should have been clearer but I'm doing 3 things at once right
now.
Anyway, you know what I meant.
Hunter
do...@webtv.net says...
>
> 'The Big E' said:
>
> "Personal property is personal property. How is that any different from
> Jen destroying ED's cigarettes?"
>
> How about insulin...or a meter to check blood sugar or glucose tabs to
> control the levels...or...an asthma rescue inhaler?
They weren't interested in the pills themselves, but he calender in
them that Mich was using to study with.
>
> I would never argue with 'The Big E'...we just 'discuss'. :-)
>
> The thing that I find MOST troubling...is that Gnat says that she is
> playing the cleanest game in BB history.
>
> Maybe we'll see what happens.
Well, that I will say is hyperbolic on her part. She did play rough,
I am just saying that she doesn't even com close to being the
dirtiest, worst player in BB history.
Hunter
4d5ad9...@z30g2000yqz.googlegroups.com>, BigEL...@msn.com
says...
As I mentioned in the original post, there are calendars in the BC
Pill packs. Michelle was using it to help study for competitions
involving dates apparently she admitted this. Jordan was doing the
same with hers and no doubt sharing the calendar with Jeff.
Calendars are not allowed in BB.
http://tinyurl.com/mdurgr
That is why Kevin and Natalie wanted to hide the calendar in the
pack, they even went so far as to ask BB for permission effectively
to hide it. Later, BB apparently allowed them to make their own
calendar by copying Mich's.
Chaldean
offered us these thoughts:
[Everything snipped as clutter here.]
>You're the one that said that ED provoked her to destroy his cigs, so
>what did you mean by that?
My memory of two folks I disliked feuding together dramatically is
totally lame. I don't recall what the Dick did that prompted cigarette
trashing for retribution, but I recall there was something there at
the time. Remember, fighting with one another had become their raison
d'etre, and the whole thing was happening at about a third grade
level. I was simply repelled. Had I realized they were setting BB
precedent, I would have been audibly horrified.
--
Bob
Chaldean
thoughts:
If it's not pickled. {Did you by chance hear that take-off on a Perry
Como hit called "Catch a Pickled Herring?" Great fun.}
But ultimately, I prefer sardines {in soy oil} on my saltines. Sadly,
speaking of a "red sardine" almost never communicates with others.
--
Bob
Chaldean
these thoughts:
Actually, the "villains" of BB2 & 3 were in the All Stars, and they
are among THE most respected players of BBUS. The thing is, they were
villains, but they weren't *nasty.* That's a huge difference I
seriously doubt Natalie can overcome.
--
Bob
Ron
> On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Ron <BigELil...@msn.com>
IIRC correctly he blew smoke in her face. That "provoked" her to trash
his cigs.
Avanti
"Chaldean" wrote in message
news:mng8a5tuqmlsm93v2...@4ax.com...
My "parents" don't know that...neither do my aunts and uncles...and MILLIONS
of people NOT watching BB, which was my point. You think that most Americans
watch Big Brother? BB "fans" will know who certain people are...like I
previously said...but people that don't watch the show...won't...and won't
care. (2.7 among adults 18-49 ratings last week) Google it if you don't
believe. Natalie doesn't have to overcome anything. People have much more to
do than to waste valuable time judging her...and that's only the few people
that will know who she is...most Americans won't.
Chaldean
these thoughts:
It is quite true, what you say here. And I, as an alternate example,
thinking of the cast of "Friends" can name only one {because she was
famously married} and recognize the face of only two cast members.
And millions of Americans could not find their own home state on a map
{so I'm told by TV news}.
As Phil Oches put it, "I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody, outside
of a small circle of friends."
But I bet almost every BB player cares more than a little about the
folks actually *within* that small circle.
You know, and I know, and she knows, and everyone else reading this
knows, these are the folks Kathy was talking about.
--
Bob
Ron
>
> You know, and I know, and she knows, and everyone else reading this
> knows, these are the folks Kathy was talking about.
>
But, does the nose know?
Barbara L Sherrill
Several people lost their jobs, when they got out of the BB house and being
gone had nothing to do with it. They lost their jobs, because of the way
they acted on the show. Sharon or Shannon is one of them that lost
everything including her boyfriend. This show does effect the outside world.
I know for a fact of many that has contacted Blockbusters home office to
protest Nat. I won't be surprised if she ends up losing her job. I could
care less about where she works... we use Netflix....
The way you behave on this show.. does effect your life .. Russell tried to
warn everyone about actions on the show and the real world. Company's do use
the net to research their future employees Ronnie is now having a harder
time finding a teaching position.. but that is his fault.. stupid idiot had
questionable videos out there as well as what ever he did on the show.
Barbara
Barbara
Ron
wrote:
> Ronnie is now having a harder
> time finding a teaching position.. but that is his fault.. stupid idiot had
> questionable videos out there as well as what ever he did on the show.
Dare I ask what kind of videos?
Chaldean
offered us these thoughts:
>On Sep 6, 8:02�pm, "Barbara L Sherrill" <barbaralsherr...@hotmail.com>
Achingly inane.
--
Bob
Dale Hicks
@o9g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, BigEL...@msn.com says...
> On Sep 6, 7:10 pm, Chaldean wrote:
> > On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:26:25 -0700 (PDT), Ron <BigELil...@msn.com>
> > offered us these thoughts:
> >
> > [Everything snipped as clutter here.]
> >
> > >You're the one that said that ED provoked her to destroy his cigs, so
> > >what did you mean by that?
> >
> > My memory of two folks I disliked feuding together dramatically is
> > totally lame. I don't recall what the Dick did that prompted cigarette
> > trashing for retribution, but I recall there was something there at
> > the time. Remember, fighting with one another had become their raison
> > d'etre, and the whole thing was happening at about a third grade
> > level. I was simply repelled. Had I realized they were setting BB
> > precedent, I would have been audibly horrified.
>
> his cigs.
Nope. She really just went insane that day. She was up on the
block, on slop, and Daniele and Whamber were off doing the game show
that's on everyone's minds right now (I forget what the name was).
She basically did it without any provocation.
She destroys the ciggies, Dick says he's getting replacements, she
goes all teary and starts cooking, eats, then he blows smoke in her
face (no real reason other than she came and sat next to him in his
10x10 smoking area). She then tries to grab the cigarette, and
starts moving it around on her.
--
Cranial Crusader dgh 1138 at bell south point net
Barbara L Sherrill
"Ron" <BigEL...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c50e08c3-36ce-424f...@t2g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
They were blogs of him bragging about how he cyber stalked someone and
video's with monkeys. Ronnie removed them all when he got out of the
house.. but the damage was out there for a bit....
Barbara
Kathy
And BB fan sites are exactly where Nat will go when she gets out. She
would be wise to stay away from them.
Kathy
CBSEYE
news:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
> I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because
> if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>
The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB stopped her.
It may well be that her plans were all bullshit, but BB took them seriously
to call her in and tell her to not do many of the things that she openly
schemed about. Therefore, since she didn't do them she couldn't be
punished for them by banishment. Basically BB saved Natalie from herself.
Natalie has proven herself time and again to be an asshole, and a bald-
faced liar.
She started out as a liar from the first words out of her mouth, and she's
continued to liar as she claims "vindication' for that other asshole,
Chima. By now Natalie has convinced herself that yes indeed, Chima's mic
pack did fall out her hand into the hot-tub.
Natalie is garbage.
Ron
> "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote innews:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because
> > if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>
> The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB stopped her.
> It may well be that her plans were all bullshit,
Nuff said.
Brian Smith
>
> - Show quoted text -
I thought that came after. Didn't he hide her clothes first and that's
what prompted her to destroy his cigs?
Brian
do...@webtv.net
Bob C. was talking about Perry Como on a cracker.
The Vita brand pickeled herring IS the herring of choice.
I never liked sardines cuz of their bones and skin.
I guess it's obvious that I have a sophisticated palate.
do...@webtv.net
"Bobby the C." spoke about Dick, who was a fun, sociable guy and
deserved to win.
'The C.' said:
"Remember, fighting with one another had become their raison d'etre, and
the whole thing was happening at about a third grade level. I was simply
repelled. Had I realized they were setting BB precedent, I would have
been audibly horrified."
When you start talkin' about raisin bran and being audibly
horrified...you're goin' over my head.
The CEREAL, I know...but the shreiking sound of fear is WAY above my 3rd
grade level.
bob wald
sak of crap..lol
nat a fighting champ.....lol
nat must fight in the under 5ft devision....lol
nats bf reminded me of egore outa the lab it was created.....lol
who thinks theres no ring...lol its at home...lol
i bet..why not bring it....hhmmmmm
do...@webtv.net
'The Big E'...talking about Dick and Jen, said:
"IIRC correctly he blew smoke in her face. That "provoked" her to trash
his cigs."
He was just trying to keep the bugs away from her...it was a kind deed.
do...@webtv.net
About the movies that Ronnie had online, Babs said:
"They were blogs of him bragging about how he cyber stalked someone and
video's with monkeys. Ronnie removed them all when he got out of the
house.. but the damage was out there for a bit...."
MONKEYS? Now you're talkin' my language.
madamS
Obviously the poster did not think that the thought was complete. If you
are going to try such an obvious ploy to turn someone's words to your use,
have the foresight to drop the comma as well. It still won't work, because
we read the previous post AS POSTED.
--
madamS
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."
Sir Winston Churchill
Ron
> "Ron" <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a1df6177-cf7e-481b...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 1:03 am, CBSEYE <CBSE...@tches.you> wrote:
>
> > "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote
> > innews:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because
> > > if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>
> > The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB stopped
> > her.
> > It may well be that her plans were all bullshit,
>
> >Nuff said.
>
> Obviously the poster did not think that the thought was complete. If you
> are going to try such an obvious ploy to turn someone's words to your use,
> have the foresight to drop the comma as well. It still won't work, because
> we read the previous post AS POSTED.
A ploy? LOL!
The bottom line is, nobody that works at BB is a mind reader,
therefore they have NO idea if Nat was going to "go over the edge".
do...@webtv.net
'slow it down a bit' (like Sinatra)...and point out the comments the
other night by Jordan...who didn't quite know the term...'Ma-DAMN'...
It was so innocent...that it was sweet and amusing.
'I', of course, thought of 'The Madam' and the horrible pain that she
may choose to inflict upon dirty boys. (How much for me and Dubya? :-)
I WOULD like to be a dragonfly on the wall when Jordan talks to her
girlfriends.
It must be like freshman year high school.
:-)
Jordan ALSO spoke about the female anatomy. (wine anyone? :-)
She said...the vagina is ugly...there's the clit...the taco...and then
the...and Michele said...'the flaps.'
Jordan said 'yeah'.
She also spoke of the gnat tampon thing. (more wine :-)
"There's the pee hole, the poop hole, and the hole where the penis
goes...girls have a lot of holes."
Everyone chuckled...she was so sincere.
Then she said...'you can't put the tampon in the pee hole...and Michele
said: 'no, it's too small'...and Jordan said...and not in the poop
hole...it goes in the hole that the penis goes in.'
Kevin was there...and he was just amused.
Jordan sez all this stuff with a straight face...I want her to win
America's Vote for 25K.
Vote 10 times online, free, till wed. night.
I WILL vote. First time I've ever voted.
But there has never been a vagina as sweet and pure as the one Jordan
has. :-)
Hey...I live in a BOX...what do "I" know?
OK, Dub...your box joke is teed up.
do...@webtv.net
'The Big E' said:
"The bottom line is, nobody that works at BB is a mind reader, therefore
they have NO idea if Nat was going to "go over the edge"."
How do you know that 'Kreskin' doesn't work for BB?
I want proof...links, exact quotes and camera numbers.
I'm sorry Hunter...I was just kidding. :-)
Gnat should hire you as her defender.
Donna
3113.bay.webtv.net:
>
> Her lack of emotion...is sorta unusual under those conditions.
Amazingly apathetic reaction to the engagement.
Total glommer. That's Natalie.
--
~Donna A~
http://www.thesewingdictionary.com
CBSEYE
news:a1df6177-cf7e-481b...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 7, 1:03�am, CBSEYE <CBSE...@tches.you> wrote:
>> "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote
>> innews:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september
> .org:
>>
>> > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the
>> > line...because if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>>
>> The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB
>> stopped he
> r. �
>> It may well be that her plans were all bullshit,
>
> Nuff said.
If that was all there was to be said, I wouldn't have included the rest
of this:
-repost of snipped text-
... but BB took them seriously
to call her in and tell her to not do many of the things that she openly
schemed about. Therefore, since she didn't do them she couldn't be
punished for them by banishment. Basically BB saved Natalie from
herself.
Natalie has proven herself time and again to be an asshole, and a bald-
faced liar.
She started out as a liar from the first words out of her mouth, and
she's
continued to liar as she claims "vindication' for that other asshole,
Chima. By now Natalie has convinced herself that yes indeed, Chima's mic
pack did fall out her hand into the hot-tub.
Natalie is garbage.
-end repost of snipped text-
It's obvious that BB took what Natalie threatened to do, including
fucked-up shit like causing physical harm to Michelle's eyes, seriously
enough to call her on the carpet and kick her ass for even suggesting
such a thing.
You obvously don't see anything wrong with what Natalie was thinking
about doing. Fair enough, there's also people out there who defend what
Michael Vick did to dogs, too.
Nice company you keep, sonny.
CBSEYE
news:e8fb26cf-5a2f-4a3e...@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
> On Sep 7, 11:05�am, "madamS" <mad...@somewhere.net> wrote:
>> "Ron" <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a1df6177-cf7e-481b...@y36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com
>> ... On Sep 7, 1:03 am, CBSEYE <CBSE...@tches.you> wrote:
>>
>> > "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote
>> > innews:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the
>> > > line...because if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>>
>> > The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB
>> > stopped her.
>> > It may well be that her plans were all bullshit,
>>
>> >Nuff said.
>>
>> Obviously the poster did not think that �the thought was complete. If
>> y
> ou
>> are going to try such an obvious ploy to turn someone's words to your
>> use
> ,
>> have the foresight to drop the comma as well. It still won't work,
>> becaus
> e
>> we read the previous post AS POSTED.
>
> A ploy? LOL!
>
> The bottom line is, nobody that works at BB is a mind reader,
> therefore they have NO idea if Nat was going to "go over the edge".
That isn't what my point was. My point was that Natalie didn't get a
chance to do shit because she was stopped before she carried out her
schemes. You're the one doing the mind reading when you assume that she
didn't intend to do as she was scheming.
If you're acknowledging that Natalie is no more than a lying sack of shit
who hasn't told the truth since day one, then you're correct. If you're
asserting anything else, you're the one who is making assumptions.
Wallet
"CBSEYE" <CBS...@tches.you> wrote in message
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"Carried out her schemes"? So you're *assuming* she WAS going to do
something! How do you know she was? Are YOU a mindreader?
Ron
You're reading minds if you think she DID intend to do it.
See how that works....
Wallet
"CBSEYE" <CBS...@tches.you> wrote in message
And you are a moron, and an extremely stupid one which makes you kind of
dangerous. Did you graduate from high school? Are you a day laborer or a
blue collar worker but think you should be doing something else? You seem to
have a great deal of pent up anger and bitterness. You're not very happy are
you? Seek professional help!
madamS
On Sep 7, 7:30 pm, CBSEYE <CBSE...@tches.you> wrote:
> Ron <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote
> innews:e8fb26cf-5a2f-4a3e...@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> chance to do shit because she was stopped before she carried out her
> schemes. You're the one doing the mind reading when you assume that she
> didn't intend to do as she was scheming.
You're reading minds if you think she DID intend to do it.
See how that works....
>
>
>
No, it doesn't work that way. We have her word that she was going to do
these things, and of course she doesn't lie. Or are you saying she was lying
about her intentions?
Wallet
"madamS" <mad...@somewhere.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Ron" <BigEL...@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:4d7b6a46-dcb4-4173...@z30g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 7:30 pm, CBSEYE <CBSE...@tches.you> wrote:
>> Ron <BigELil...@msn.com> wrote
>> innews:e8fb26cf-5a2f-4a3e...@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
> SNIP> That isn't what my point was. My point was that Natalie didn't get a
>> chance to do shit because she was stopped before she carried out her
>> schemes. You're the one doing the mind reading when you assume that she
>> didn't intend to do as she was scheming.
>
> You're reading minds if you think she DID intend to do it.
>
> See how that works....
>>
>>
>>
> No, it doesn't work that way. We have her word that she was going to do
> these things, and of course she doesn't lie. Or are you saying she was
> lying about her intentions?
You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her. She was
thinking aloud like many people do, and you were privy to what she was
*thinking*. You do NOT know for a fact if she would have gone from thought
to action. Let it go and move on!
madamS
"Wallet" <nos...@guessitspammer.com> wrote in message
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So, fact that she would even THINK about doing those things is enough for
me. And once she verbalized it, I think BB should have taken much stronger
steps than they did. I'm waiting for your comment on the thread I started
about her integrity. ;) And please remove my signature BEFORE you respond.
I don't want anyone to think I said something that YOU said. TIA
Chaldean
<nos...@guessitspammer.com> offered us these thoughts:
>You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her. She was
>thinking aloud like many people do, and you were privy to what she was
>*thinking*. You do NOT know for a fact if she would have gone from thought
>to action. Let it go and move on!
>
You know, it's curious how much your writing seems to duplicate
Avanti's. Do you two know one another? Are you perhaps members of the
same organization?
--
Bob
madamS
<Chaldean> wrote in message
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visiting us. ;)
~~carl~~
producers puts on tv. Then the writer...producer..director get bundles
of money. Why its called"TV".. Why is it called"Reality"? Because people
buys it. They want to see real people on tv..act like idiots. Gets paid
for acting like fools. Why not.
All thru BB history. I seen many of BB HG's go from nothing(well several
still are nothing). Few go to guest staring on tv shows...game
shows..and other reality shows. Fame or so called fortune. Some make
it..most don't. Have to take your chances. But don't be disappointed if
you get rejected.
Thats"SHOW BIZ".
Chaldean
offered us these thoughts:
>
><Chaldean> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:43 -0400, "Wallet"
>> <nos...@guessitspammer.com> offered us these thoughts:
>>
>>>You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her. She
>>>was
>>>thinking aloud like many people do, and you were privy to what she was
>>>*thinking*. You do NOT know for a fact if she would have gone from thought
>>>to action. Let it go and move on!
>>>
>> You know, it's curious how much your writing seems to duplicate
>> Avanti's. Do you two know one another? Are you perhaps members of the
>> same organization?
>>
>>
>So I'm not the only one who suspected that we might have a little ghostie
>visiting us. ;)
{The Chaldean smiles....}
And I'd not be surprised if there are a couple more.
--
Bob
Chaldean
thoughts:
A couple more Avanti's, that is.
--
Bob
Brian Smith
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> I don't get it either, Natalie isn't playing any worse a game than
> any of the long time
> favs like Dr Will. He sat around and had everyone else do his dirty
> work for him and
> that is the same thing she has been doing. Early in the game she ran
> that house and
> even now she was still manipulating Kevin and had him get rid of Jeff
> and left the blood on his
> hands. Will had so many fans but Natalie whose game is so similar is
> hated so badly.
> Is it because she is a woman playing that kind of game? I think it's
> bullshit myself.
> I think Natalie did a good job of having NO ONE see her as a threat
> because she
> did bad in the competitions, she did an outstanding job of getting
> everyone else to
> do her dirty work and yet she is talked about like a worthless player,
> yes, bullshit.
>
> And give me a break with the damn she lied crap because every single
> person in
> that house lied and allot more than she ever did. Your little honey
> Michelle is one of them
> and don't give me the husband's BS about her memory either because
> that thing with Russel,
> she claimed not to remember was literally seconds after she said it
> and I don't believe she
> forgot something she said like 45 seconds before he called Chima into
> the room to confirm it.
Michele lied more than Scrappy? Get real. As for her memory, why is it so
hard to believe that she has short-term memory problems? She's said that she
carries a notebook around with her so can remember things from meetings,
conversations, etc. She hasn't lied about anything in her real life that
anyone has been able to verify. We know her Ph.D. is legit, we know her
husband doing little video comedy sketches is true, we know that her brother
died about 3 months before she went into the house, etc. So why would she
lie about her short-term memory?
Brian
Are you kidding
No you are definitely not the only one.
shawn
LOL.. I have been having much the same thoughts for a few days now.
Bigolhomo
>You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her
Really? Then what does she think all those cameras are doing in the
house?
Hunter
says...
> "Avanti" <sp...@spam.com> wrote in
> news:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because
> > if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
> >
>
> The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB stopped her.
> It may well be that her plans were all bullshit, but BB took them seriously
> to call her in and tell her to not do many of the things that she openly
> schemed about. Therefore, since she didn't do them she couldn't be
> punished for them by banishment. Basically BB saved Natalie from herself.
Okay what are the things she schemed about doing? Be specific please.
>
> Natalie has proven herself time and again to be an asshole, and a bald-
> faced liar.
And that is new to Big Brother how? And do you differentiant between
the outside world and BB? I ask because so far not one thing people
accuse her of lying about concern the outside world only BB stuff
with the exception of Natalie's fiancee which it turned out to be
true. Other than you are calling Natalie a liar in a game that makes
you lie and lie very well to get a half a million.
> She started out as a liar from the first words out of her mouth, and she's
> continued to liar as she claims "vindication' for that other asshole,
> Chima. By now Natalie has convinced herself that yes indeed, Chima's mic
> pack did fall out her hand into the hot-tub.
>
> Natalie is garbage.
It is incredible how someone can get so worked up over someone
playing a game what you THINK Natalie was going to do I have proven a
lie repeatedly.
I am still waiting for the things BB prevented her from doing, and I
don't mean stopping her from speaking spanish or moving BB House
things. That is what BB has called her in the DR for.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
do...@webtv.net
"Bobby the C." said to 'Wallet':
"You know, it's curious how much your writing seems to duplicate
Avanti's. Do you two know one another? Are you perhaps members of the
same organization?"
AARP?
do...@webtv.net
'Wallet' said about gnat:
"...she isn't even aware of you watching her."
Bigol' correctly asked:
"Really? Then what does she think all those cameras are doing in the
house?"
Maybe she thinks that they're there to take her wedding
photos...OR...maybe a mug shot.
:-)
Barbara L Sherrill
>
> <Chaldean> wrote in message
> news:erkba5plm3ldn2jv4...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:43 -0400, "Wallet"
>> <nos...@guessitspammer.com> offered us these thoughts:
>>
>>>You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her. She
>>>was
>>>thinking aloud like many people do, and you were privy to what she was
>>>*thinking*. You do NOT know for a fact if she would have gone from
>>>thought
>>>to action. Let it go and move on!
>>>
>> You know, it's curious how much your writing seems to duplicate
>> Avanti's. Do you two know one another? Are you perhaps members of the
>> same organization?
>>
>>
> So I'm not the only one who suspected that we might have a little ghostie
> visiting us. ;)
>
> --
No.. you are not alone!
Ron
> In article <Xns9C7EE08844A9FCBS...@208.90.168.18>, CBSE...@tches.you
> says...> "Avanti" <s...@spam.com> wrote in
> >news:h80jdf$voi$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > > I guess my point is "BB" didn't think she crossed the line...because
> > > if they did...she'd be gone! It's that simple.
>
> > The reason that Natalie didn't go over the edge was because BB stopped her.
> > It may well be that her plans were all bullshit, but BB took them seriously
> > to call her in and tell her to not do many of the things that she openly
> > schemed about. Therefore, since she didn't do them she couldn't be
> > punished for them by banishment. Basically BB saved Natalie from herself.
>
> ---
> Okay what are the things she schemed about doing? Be specific please.
>
> > Natalie has proven herself time and again to be an asshole, and a bald-
> > faced liar.
>
> ---
> And that is new to Big Brother how? And do you differentiant between
> the outside world and BB? I ask because so far not one thing people
> accuse her of lying about concern the outside world only BB stuff
> with the exception of Natalie's fiancee which it turned out to be
> true. Other than you are calling Natalie a liar in a game that makes
> you lie and lie very well to get a half a million.
You just gotta love the "Nat is a liar" comments in EVERY thread about
Nat. They ALL lie. <SHEESH>
Wallet
"Brian Smith" <dcg_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So she could just say anything and you'd believe her? Now THAT is loyalty!
Wallet
"Chaldean" wrote in message
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Lol. If you think so, it must be true.
Chaldean
<nos...@guessitspammer.com> offered us these thoughts:
>
>"Chaldean" wrote in message
>news:erkba5plm3ldn2jv4...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:39:43 -0400, "Wallet"
>> <nos...@guessitspammer.com> offered us these thoughts:
>>
>>>You don't have her word...she isn't even aware of you watching her. She
>>>was
>>>thinking aloud like many people do, and you were privy to what she was
>>>*thinking*. You do NOT know for a fact if she would have gone from thought
>>>to action. Let it go and move on!
>>>
>> You know, it's curious how much your writing seems to duplicate
>> Avanti's. Do you two know one another? Are you perhaps members of the
>> same organization?
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>
>Lol. If you think so, it must be true.
Did you understand my use of "organization?"
--
Bob
Wallet
"Chaldean" wrote in message
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Yes.
Chaldean
Then you understand why I think so, and why it's likely to be true.
--
Bob
Wallet
"Chaldean" wrote in message
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Ok...lol...whatever gets you through the day.
Are you kidding
Problem is everyone else acknowledges it and that it is part of the game,
whereas Nat keep insisting she has played the most honest and truthful game,
and I think she actually believes that.
shawn
<nos...@guessitspammer.com> wrote:
>
>"Brian Smith" <dcg_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:Vampm.295002$E61.2...@newsfe09.iad...
>> "NovoDogs" <novo...@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
>> news:836fc679-7d58-4785...@e34g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
>
>>
>> Michele lied more than Scrappy? Get real. As for her memory, why is it so
>> hard to believe that she has short-term memory problems? She's said that
>> she carries a notebook around with her so can remember things from
>> meetings, conversations, etc. She hasn't lied about anything in her real
>> life that anyone has been able to verify. We know her Ph.D. is legit, we
>> know her husband doing little video comedy sketches is true, we know that
>> her brother died about 3 months before she went into the house, etc. So
>> why would she lie about her short-term memory?
>>
>> Brian
>
>So she could just say anything and you'd believe her? Now THAT is loyalty!
Other way around. She could say that she doesn't remember a
conversation and I would be tempted to believe that she doesn't
remember it word for word. If she said she did remember a conversation
that she had yesterday I would tend to discredit that unless it was
one that had been discussed with her a few times as that would tend to
make it stick in her memory.
I think she has a good long term memory but the short term isn't great
so it takes reinforcement for things to stick. So in a long drawn out
conversation (the type that happens all too often in the BB house)
things will get said that she is likely to forget. She might remember
the gist of the conversation but the specifics will elude her unless a
particular topic or phrase is reinforced multiple times.
I don't see why it's so hard to believe as many people have problems
with various areas of their memory. I'm good with faces but horrible
with names. I could get introduced to someone, and even say their name
out loud and not remember it a few minutes later. But if I take my
time in repeating the name or review the name later on in meeting
notes or from a business card or some other memory aid then the name
will tend to stick. It's just the way my memory tends to work.. or
maybe it's the way it tends to not work. ;)
Brian Smith
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Some people seem to believe that because Michele has a Ph.D. she must be
able to remember *everything* and should know about everything in the world.
In hindsight, she probably wishes she had never divulged that piece of info
about herself.
Brian
Wallet
Actually I think most people would know that means she did graduate work in
a specific field. She would not neccesarily know anything about business,
law, finance, etc.if that were not her field of study. I think most
*thinking* people would know that.
>
Brian Smith
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Too bad for her that house was filled with people who weren't *thinking* and
probably had no idea of what's involved to get a Ph.D.
Brian