Lyta Alexander's gills
ReedyB
Alexander's gills. She has them when she is with the Vorlon, but no when she's
with humans. They seem to come and go and i think I missed when they were
explained.
Any help would make me feel at least a little less confused.
Thanks,
min
> I'm watching for the first time on sci-fi. What's the story with Lyta
> Alexander's gills. She has them when she is with the Vorlon, but no when
she's
> with humans. They seem to come and go and i think I missed when they were
> explained.
While Lyta was on the Vorlon homeworld, they enhanced her so that
she's more able to commune with them, later we find that they've done
more to her than just gills !
Pål Are Nordal
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> I'm watching for the first time on sci-fi. What's the story with Lyta
> Alexander's gills. She has them when she is with the Vorlon, but no when she's
> with humans.
Normal humans need breathing masks in Kosh's quarters, but thanks to the
gills she doesn't. So they're just very well hidden, and don't show up
unless she's using them.
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> ReedyB wrote:
> >
> > I'm watching for the first time on sci-fi. What's the story with Lyta
> > Alexander's gills. She has them when she is with the Vorlon, but no when she's
> > with humans.
>
> Normal humans need breathing masks in Kosh's quarters, but thanks to the
> gills she doesn't. So they're just very well hidden, and don't show up
> unless she's using them.
G'Kar has the gills as well. He explains that they're implants in "The
Gathering".
- J
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"min" <min...@planet.com> wrote:
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> While Lyta was on the Vorlon homeworld, they enhanced her so that
> she's more able to commune with them, later we find that they've done
> more to her than just gills !
>
>
Gills for the Vorlon home world? Where did you get that from. It in
not even clear if the [old or new] Kosh needs the non-standard
atmoshere. It appears (to me at least) the non-standard atmosphere is
akin to the encounter suit, just a means that helps the Vorlon to hide
there true appearance.
As far as Lyta gills, maybe they are just for use on B5.
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to the Vorlon homeworld. She escaped from Psi-Corp and hitched a ride on a
cargo transport into the edge of vorlon space, where she waited for a few
days, until the ship left, and she stayed a life pod. She sent out a
telepathic signal, and the Vorlons came. What happened after that is a
mystery, as she has never told anyone, but we do know that they heavily
modified her, both telepathically and physically. Watch in later episodes
in the 5th season to see more of what they did to her.
John
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repeat in the show, such as the gills, and the ability for alien species to
inter-breed (john and delen are only compatible because of her change)
John
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Pål Are Nordal
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> "The Gathering" had a lot of inconsistencies, and things that they didn't
> repeat in the show, such as the gills, and the ability for alien species to
> inter-breed (john and delen are only compatible because of her change)
If you're thinking of G'Kar's offer to Lyta, that was not inconsistent
with the show. He noted specifically that there would have to be
significant genetic manipulation for the whole thing to work.
ReedyB
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> "The Gathering" had a lot of inconsistencies, and things that they didn't
> repeat in the show, such as the gills, and the ability for alien species
to
> inter-breed (john and delen are only compatible because of her change)
> John
Erm, wrong on both counts.
Lyta gets gills during the fourth season (or was it the later half of
third?) and the inter-breeding is mentioned again during the negotioations
with Lyta and G'Kar during the fifth season.
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>> "The Gathering" had a lot of inconsistencies, and things that they didn't
>> repeat in the show, such as the gills, and the ability for alien species
>to
>> inter-breed (john and delen are only compatible because of her change)
>> John
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>Erm, wrong on both counts.
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>Lyta gets gills during the fourth season (or was it the later half of
>third?)
[..]
Near the beginning of Season 3. First seen at the end of Passing
Through Gethsemane.
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John
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I was referring to G'Kar's gills, which he had in the Gather, (By the way
Lyta got hers after she came to be Kosh's aid in the first half of the third
season), however, I did forget about the mention of the interbreeding in the
fifth season. I personally thought that the fifth season was a terrible way
to end the series
John
Aubrey W. Adkins
Lyta got her gills when she was taken to the Vorlon homeworld. It was
one of the many modifications they made to her. They must have been
added using genetic engineerinr, not basic surgery, because, unlike
G'Kar's, her's are undetectable unless she is using them.
Aubrey
Pål Are Nordal
>
> I personally thought that the fifth season was a terrible way
> to end the series
The first part was uneven, and suffered from a lot of behind the scenes
problems, though the last part was great IMHO.
John English
> John English wrote:
> >
> > I personally thought that the fifth season was a terrible way
> > to end the series
>
> The first part was uneven, and suffered from a lot of behind the scenes
> problems, though the last part was great IMHO.
>
returned to the original story arch
Pål Are Nordal
>
> The last few of season 5 where pretty good, but that was because they
> returned to the original story arch
Some details got lost, or were shifted around due to [removed spoiler],
but season 5's main arc points were the way they were always supposed to be.
John English
as an actress, and she slaughtered the part. Sheridan's part as the
President was not him at all (that's when he was even in there) and the
Telepath thing was a waste of time. all of the problems where really
created because they had to finish everything in the 4th season because they
didn't know if there would be a 5th. When there was a 5th, they had already
used up a lot of their planed story. I just feel like the 5th season in
general just turned the Babylon 5 universe in to something it should have
been, it just didn't feel right to me, but that's just my opion. I loved
everything else though!
John
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>
> Yeah, but the whole thing with Lochley was terrible, I hate Tracy scoggins
> as an actress, and she slaughtered the part.
Well, IMHO she did a better job with Lochley than Claudia Christian did
with Ivanova during the first few episodes. Claudia did however have a
*lot* more episodes to grow into the part, and after a while she
"became" Ivanova.
> Sheridan's part as the
> President was not him at all (that's when he was even in there)
True. But maybe that was the intention. Maybe being president wasn't as
easy as he thought it would be.
> and the Telepath thing was a waste of time.
It took a bit too long, suffered from lack of focus, but it had some
pretty big repercussions afterwards.
> all of the problems where really
> created because they had to finish everything in the 4th season because they
> didn't know if there would be a 5th. When there was a 5th, they had already
> used up a lot of their planed story.
Nope. 3-4 episodes that were intended for the 5th season were pulled
back into to the 4th season to provide some closure. That's it.
Michael Walsh
Pål Are Nordal wrote:
> John English wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but the whole thing with Lochley was terrible, I hate Tracy scoggins
> > as an actress, and she slaughtered the part.
Actually, I thought the main problem was with the writers. I thought
Tracy Scoggins did a good job with material that was provided to her.
> Well, IMHO she did a better job with Lochley than Claudia Christian did
> with Ivanova during the first few episodes. Claudia did however have a
> *lot* more episodes to grow into the part, and after a while she
> "became" Ivanova.
Since I liked Claudia Christian as an actress before the show I was a
bit too prejudiced in her favor to complain about anything. I did
believe the plot line credibility got a bit strained toward the end of
her role on Babylon 5. Once again, this was a problem with the
writers, not the actress.
I do believe Claudia Christian is a better actress than Tracy Scoggins,
but that is because I believe Christian is good, not that Scoggins is bad.
> > Sheridan's part as the
> > President was not him at all (that's when he was even in there)
>
> True. But maybe that was the intention. Maybe being president wasn't as
> easy as he thought it would be.
>
> > and the Telepath thing was a waste of time.
>
> It took a bit too long, suffered from lack of focus, but it had some
> pretty big repercussions afterwards.
It definitely fit into the plot line, but was badly handled.
Especially the exploitive sex scenes.
> > all of the problems where really
> > created because they had to finish everything in the 4th season because they
> > didn't know if there would be a 5th. When there was a 5th, they had already
> > used up a lot of their planed story.
>
> Nope. 3-4 episodes that were intended for the 5th season were pulled
> back into to the 4th season to provide some closure. That's it.
I believe there was more of a problem when they decided that perhaps
"Crusade" would go on for 5 years and perhaps some additional
movies. They seeded some new unresolved problems in Season 5
that were never resolved on screen.
We got closure during Season 4, then Season 5 opened a new
"can of worms" that they never resolved on screen in either
movies or TV.
They may have resolved these in books on the side, and because
of the cancelation of Crusade JMS may have had no other option.
I am trying to avoid any spoilers, but if you have seen all of
Season 5 you should know what I mean. I especially refer
to the penultimate episode which came before the wrap-up
episode that was set up to be aired at the end of Season 4
if TNT had not renewed the show.
Mike Walsh
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but don't know where to find season 5. I'd like to read them since I never
saw that season. Can somebody eme an addy? thanks.
Mike
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the end of the series, and espically in Crusade, although I would take
Claudia Christian back in a second (I thought that while the first few
episodes where a little rough for her, from the second season on she did a
great job with the part; I'm still confused with the in love with Talia
Winters thing however...). You make a good point that a lot of the problems
with the character of Lochley was the writing, and not the actress.
Speaking of that, after reading my post again, I have to say that I don't
hate Tracy Scoggins as an actress, that was far to strong of a word, I just
didn't really enjoy her part very much.
John
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>
> Pål Are Nordal wrote:
> >
> > It took a bit too long, suffered from lack of focus, but it had some
> > pretty big repercussions afterwards.
>
> It definitely fit into the plot line, but was badly handled.
> Especially the exploitive sex scenes.
Huh? There was one, and it was very tastefully done. And if you rewatch
"Mind War" you should realize that it was pretty essential to the plot.
> We got closure during Season 4, then Season 5 opened a new
> "can of worms" that they never resolved on screen in either
> movies or TV.
Jms said he added a few small details to season 5 as set-up for Crusade,
but the majority of stuff was the way he planned it. Just because the
show ended, doesn't mean the whole B5 universe came to a stop.
> They may have resolved these in books on the side, and because
> of the cancelation of Crusade JMS may have had no other option.
The details are in the books, but the main points can be found in the
show itself.
Crusade was opening it's own can of worms to deal with.
> I am trying to avoid any spoilers, but if you have seen all of
> Season 5 you should know what I mean. I especially refer
> to the penultimate episode which came before the wrap-up
> episode that was set up to be aired at the end of Season 4
> if TNT had not renewed the show.
Rewatch "War Without End". Pay attention to the flash forward...
Especially Delenn's words.
Michael Walsh
Pål Are Nordal wrote:
> Michael Walsh wrote:
> >
> > Pål Are Nordal wrote:
> > >
> > > It took a bit too long, suffered from lack of focus, but it had some
> > > pretty big repercussions afterwards.
> >
> > It definitely fit into the plot line, but was badly handled.
> > Especially the exploitive sex scenes.
>
> Huh? There was one, and it was very tastefully done.
This is always a matter of personal opinion. OK, there was
one event, but I believe they did multiple scenes of it. It
definitely went for weird as compared to titillation. I suspect
TNT wanted to go in that direction and JMS moved it the
way he wanted it to go.
> And if you rewatch
> "Mind War" you should realize that it was pretty essential to the plot.
It definitely was in line with the plot, although I can't recall what
made it essential. I felt the way the scene was could have
been better done and that it was done in the matter it was
presented because an executive decision to present some
sex on camera.
> > We got closure during Season 4, then Season 5 opened a new
> > "can of worms" that they never resolved on screen in either
> > movies or TV.
>
> Jms said he added a few small details to season 5 as set-up for Crusade,
> but the majority of stuff was the way he planned it. Just because the
> show ended, doesn't mean the whole B5 universe came to a stop.
>
> > They may have resolved these in books on the side, and because
> > of the cancelation of Crusade JMS may have had no other option.
>
> The details are in the books, but the main points can be found in the
> show itself.
>
> Crusade was opening it's own can of worms to deal with.
Quite true. Too bad JMS did not get a chance to finish it.
> > I am trying to avoid any spoilers, but if you have seen all of
> > Season 5 you should know what I mean. I especially refer
> > to the penultimate episode which came before the wrap-up
> > episode that was set up to be aired at the end of Season 4
> > if TNT had not renewed the show.
>
> Rewatch "War Without End". Pay attention to the flash forward...
> Especially Delenn's words.
I have not forgotten Delenn's words that tell how things are going
to turn out, and the result is also clear in the final episode of
Babylon 5. In the JMS story universe we frequently know what
the ending will be, but don't know how it will play out.
James Evans
<jo...@davidenglish.com> wrote:
>Yeah, but the whole thing with Lochley was terrible, I hate Tracy scoggins
>as an actress, and she slaughtered the part. Sheridan's part as the
>President was not him at all (that's when he was even in there) and the
>Telepath thing was a waste of time. all of the problems were really
>created because they had to finish everything in the 4th season because they
>didn't know if there would be a 5th. When there was a 5th, they had already
>used up a lot of their planned story. I just feel like the 5th season in
>general just turned the Babylon 5 universe in to something it shouldn't have
>been, it just didn't feel right to me, but that's just my opinion. I loved
>everything else though!
Good post. I thought Scoggins was OK, no Ivanova, but she was all
right. Other than that I agree 100%.
Karl Rollans
no Ivanova, but okay... As for the telepath thing, I thought that was
great... After all, things have been building up since the beginning...
Season 5 was a "boiling point" and set the stage for the new MRA
(Metasensory Regulatory Authority) in Crusade...
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destroying it, so gill implants were nessescary. They fold in and
disappear when not in use (as soon as she leaves the alien sector).
- Nem
ReedyB wrote:
> I'm watching for the first time on sci-fi. What's the story with Lyta
> Alexander's gills. She has them when she is with the Vorlon, but no when she's
Aubrey W. Adkins
are not visible when not in use.
Aubrey
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Actually, G'Kar has gill implants as well (see earlier eps, including
ISTR the pilot). They're not terribly uncommon. However, Lyta spends a
lot of time in 4th season wearing scarves and high collars....she
clearly doesn't care to show them. As for visibility, the implants
don't seem to stand out much on G'kar, but his skin pattern may help
hide them. Lyta hides hers; perhaps she uses makeup or has them
surgically removed after the Vorlons have gone...
-Jim
Dan
>surgically removed after the Vorlons have gone...
In all likelihood, they hide themselves. Being an Ancient Protean Super-Race
who fly around in living spaceships, the Vorlons could probably pull it off.
They're probably genetic modifications, BTW.
-Dan, Bodhisattva of Chocolate