ANGEL - Conner was a major let-down
video...@yahoo.com
A being so scary even the water-loving squid-things were afraid of him.
Instead we get a human teenager who would probably get eaten alive by
those water-squids. They were afraid of this... boy??? I don't buy
it. And as season 4 continues onward, Conner becomes weaker and
weaker.
"The Destroyer comes"?
Hardly.
alte...@yahoo.com
television that pops into your head? Just curious.
Mike Allegretto
>Do you feel the need to comment on Every. Single. Thing. about
>television that pops into your head? Just curious.
Yeah, Connor was the cousin Oliver of Angel.
Captain Infinity
>Do you feel the need to comment on Every. Single. Thing. about
>television that pops into your head? Just curious.
It's the only way he can drown out the "Meow Mix" song playing in his
head.
**
Captain Infinity
Lizard
exactly?
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muzicmakr
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LOL. I dunno, I find it kind of amusing in a blast-from-the-past sort of
way.
Speaking of hero hellspawn that grow up fast in series-time, I preferred Eve
(aka Livia) to Conner.
Carin
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Deborah Martin
Agreed. I was never impressed with the character, nor the Darla storyline.
I guess he, just like Dawn on Buffy, was supposed to represent teenage
angst. Quite frankly, Claire on 6 Feet Under did it a lot better than these
two.
In the end, Conner was nothing more than a plot device: disbelieve Angel
when he told the truth, gleefully believe anything Evil Cordelia told him no
matter how lame and ridiculous and throw tantrums to create tension.
Deborah
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(Harmony) Watcher
I feel with your pain. A dramatic entrance by the boy into Hyperion followed
by a dramatic escape, attaching himself on to a fast moving bus and flipping
on to the top--reminiscent of the movements of Janeway's species 842 (or is
it 841). But then it's all "downhill" from there. It is as if the boy's
martial arts skills went down two or three notches as he time passed. I'd
chalk it up to the smog in LA.
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1) Increasing lack of practice.
2) Lack of relative ruthlessness in his new trainer.
3) Villains typically get weaker when they become good--or vice versa.
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interesting
after Conner was introduced. Didn't like what they did with Cordelia either.
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videonovels
RR Newsgroups wrote:
> Never liked Conner and feel Angel really got less interesting after
> Conner was introduced. Didn't like what they did with Cordelia either.
Nope. For all practical purposes, Cordelia ceased to exist in season
4, taken over by "the beast", and Angel/cordelia never got together as
lovers. Sucked. I think Season 4 qualifies as the worst season.
As for "teen angst" I've never seen Six Feet Under or the young girl on
that series. Perhaps I'll go rent the dvd.
ravenlynne
You never learned to not judge a book by it's cover?
Captain Infinity
>And we're discussing a show that went off the air years ago why,
>exactly?
Because Troy Heagy is a nitwit.
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video...@yahoo.com
> video...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > He's billed as "The Destroyer".
> > A being so scary even the water-loving squid-things were afraid of him.
> >
> > Instead we get a human teenager who would probably get eaten alive by
> > those water-squids. They were afraid of this... boy??? I don't buy
> > it. And as season 4 continues onward, Conner becomes weaker
>
>
The cover is fine, but when I opened it up (watched Conner's actions),
I did not see a being dangerous enough to frighten the water-loving
squid-things.
Those water-squids were afraid of Conner? Ha. Yeah right. They would
have devoured him.
Obveeus
<video...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The cover is fine, but when I opened it up (watched Conner's actions),
> I did not see a being dangerous enough to frighten the water-loving
> squid-things.
>
> Those water-squids were afraid of Conner? Ha. Yeah right. They would
> have devoured him.
Maybe they werre afraid to devour him because they knew he would have a
bitter taste. Some people are bitter, you know?
PV
>It's the only way he can drown out the "Meow Mix" song playing in his
>head.
Gah! *
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like corkscrews.
PV
>And we're discussing a show that went off the air years ago why,
>exactly?
Because Troy is a dipshit? At least I assume it's Troy - I'm not going back
to look. *
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Lizard <liz...@dnai.com> writes:
> >And we're discussing a show that went off the air years ago why,
> >exactly?
>
> Because Troy is a dipshit? At least I assume it's Troy - I'm not going back
> to look. *
While Troy is a dipshit and a murder, Angel is still better than any
vampire show since.
jayembee
> While Troy is a dipshit and a murder, Angel is still better
> than any vampire show since.
Well, it's not like it has a whole lot of competition.
-- jayembee
videonovels
As Cordelia would say, "Oh puleeze. Even I could do better than That."
The creatures weren't just avoiding Conner. They were actively
running-way from him, so they don't get killed.
Problem:
I don't buy it. Conner's not scary.
Obveeus
I agree with that. He was the worst character ever added to that show.
Show's always lose touch/quality when they add kids.
scenario_dave
muzicmakr wrote:
> "Lizard" <liz...@dnai.com> wrote in message
> news:lvsdj2pi8rk60emc7...@4ax.com...
> > And we're discussing a show that went off the air years ago why,
> > exactly?
And there are no other newsgroups discussing old things. I'm sure that
there are no Star Trek groups, Lord of the Rings Groups, or even Bible
Study groups, cause after all there hasn't been a new book written in
the bible in 17 hundred years.
PV
>While Troy is a dipshit and a murder, Angel is still better than any
>vampire show since.
Won't argue that for a second. I'm still bitter about it going off the air,
moreso than Buffy. *
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> writes:
> >While Troy is a dipshit and a murder, Angel is still better than any
> >vampire show since.
>
> Won't argue that for a second. I'm still bitter about it going off the air,
> moreso than Buffy. *
Yeah. I was relieved when Buffy went. It ran two years longer than it
ever should have (Ian C. Ball shouts "FOUR!").
While Angel had that horrible slump with
fat-peroxide-hair-chewed-off-by-weasels-evil-Cordy and son, it rallied
way better than I expected it to with the move to Wolf, Ram, and Hart.
The only thing consistently bad in that last season was conduit chick.
She SO should have been Lilah.
Lizard
<scenar...@yahoo.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
Ah, but this is a random glurge, lacking in context or relevance. It
rehashes a topic which was debated to death while it was current, and
add no new perspective, commentary, or insight. It's akin to me going
to a Star Trek group and complaining that the new 'McCoy' character
isn't as good as the one who was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
Generally, in the Tolkein, etc, groups, comments on old or existing
material are framed so as to make them relevant or ask a question
which can be answered. Contrariwise, simply posting a seemingly random
observation on one aspect of a cancelled TV series comes across as the
act of a troll or a lunatic.
Oj wait. Troy. Ne'er mind.
Lizard
<jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
There was the one about the cop. And Blade. And...uh...I got nothin'.
Anim8rFSK
Lizard <liz...@dnai.com> wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2006 10:26:15 -0700, "scenario_dave"
> <scenar...@yahoo.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
>
> >
> >muzicmakr wrote:
> >> "Lizard" <liz...@dnai.com> wrote in message
> >> news:lvsdj2pi8rk60emc7...@4ax.com...
> >> > And we're discussing a show that went off the air years ago why,
> >> > exactly?
> >
> >
> >And there are no other newsgroups discussing old things. I'm sure that
> >there are no Star Trek groups, Lord of the Rings Groups, or even Bible
> >Study groups, cause after all there hasn't been a new book written in
> >the bible in 17 hundred years.
>
> Ah, but this is a random glurge, lacking in context or relevance. It
> rehashes a topic which was debated to death while it was current, and
> add no new perspective, commentary, or insight. It's akin to me going
> to a Star Trek group and complaining that the new 'McCoy' character
> isn't as good as the one who was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
McCoy wasn't in "Where No Man Has Gone Before
Jerry Brown
I hope Kevin J Anderson isn't reading this.
Jerry Brown
--
A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
video...@yahoo.com
Lizard wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2006 10:26:15 -0700, "scenario_dave" >
> >
> >there are no Star Trek groups, Lord of the Rings Groups, or even Bible
> >Study groups, cause after all there hasn't been a new book written in
> >the bible in 17 hundred years.
>
>
> Ah, but this is a random glurge, lacking in context or relevance. It
> rehashes a topic which was debated to death while it was current, and
> add no new perspective, commentary, or insight.
.
Please show me the FAQ. Where does it say that "old shows, even those
currently airing daily on television, are considered off-topic"
Oh that's right.
No such rule exists.
You're just blowing smoke.
Actually you remind me of my dad... he's a control freak who tries to
boss other people around.
jayembee
> jayembee <jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
>
>> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> While Troy is a dipshit and a murder, Angel is still better
>>> than any vampire show since.
>>
>> Well, it's not like it has a whole lot of competition.
>
> There was the one about the cop. And Blade. And...uh...I got nothin'.
Assuming that by "the one about the cop" you mean FOREVER KNIGHT,
that's disqualified as it was on 10 years before ANGEL. Fred
specifically said "better than any vampire show *since*" (emphasis
added).
The only other vampire shows I can think of off-hand (at least,
with the main character being a vampire, so BUFFY doesn't count)
are the syndicated DRACULA: THE SERIES and FOX's KINDRED: THE
EMBRACED. And both of those were way before ANGEL as well.
-- jayembee
Lizard
wrotC:DRIVE_E
>In article <2bnfj2tr0odqn789a...@4ax.com>,
> Lizard <liz...@dnai.com> wrote:
>> Ah, but this is a random glurge, lacking in context or relevance. It
>> rehashes a topic which was debated to death while it was current, and
>> add no new perspective, commentary, or insight. It's akin to me going
>> to a Star Trek group and complaining that the new 'McCoy' character
>> isn't as good as the one who was in "Where No Man Has Gone Before".
>
>McCoy wasn't in "Where No Man Has Gone Before
My point. Please reread the sentence.
Lizard
<video...@yahoo.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
>Please show me the FAQ. Where does it say that "old shows, even those
>currently airing daily on television, are considered off-topic"
>
Did I say it was? I just asked why you posted it. Thus far, no decent
answer.
>Oh that's right.
>No such rule exists.
>You're just blowing smoke.
>
Don't recall saying a rule exists.
I just asked why you bothered making the post. What did you hope to
accomplish? Was it to inform others? Not really, as there was nothing
new added. Was it to learn something new? No, because you didn't ask
any questions. Was it to gather opinions? You've got them, but you
don't want them if they disagree with your own. So, then, why?
The only answer I can come up with is 'trolling or psycho'. Either
way, there's not much point in my responding further. If you're a
troll, I'm just feeding you, which is stupid. If you're a psycho, I'm
just feeding your psychosis, which would be fun if I were a sadist,
but I'm not.
>Actually you remind me of my dad... he's a control freak who tries to
>boss other people around.
If you consider expressing a negative opinion to be 'bossing you
around', then, you've got waaaay bigger issues than anything which can
be addressed on a newsgroup. +1 point in the 'psycho' category, then.
The 'daddy' thing is sort of a dead giveaway, ennit?
Don't worry. Adolescent angst is one of the few diseases which is
usually cured by, rather than exacerbated by, the passage of years.
Edward McArdle
jayembee <jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrote:
So Angel killed the franchise??
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video...@yahoo.com
Lizard wrote:
> <video...@yahoo.com> wrotC:DRIVE_E
>
>
> >Please show me the FAQ. Where does it say that "old shows, even those
> >currently airing daily on television, are considered off-topic"
> >
>
.
Oh really? You were "just asking"?
----- "Ah, but this is a random glurge, lacking in context or
relevance."
----- "Oj wait. Troy the Troll. Ne'er mind. "
More like: Attacking the original poster.
.
As to the answer, because I'm watching Angel on TNT, and they just
finished season 3 where Conner is introduced.
Anim8rFSK
I think a case can be made for Dark Shadows, and if you don't want to
count the original, then the remake, but, still way before Angel.
I miss Dracula the series. Wish somebody would rerun it.
Oh, wasn't there a Dracula series in that cliffhangers trilogy, whatever
it was called?
Must be more than that . . .
Ultraviolet?
Anim8rFSK
Lizard <liz...@dnai.com> wrote:
> The only answer I can come up with is 'trolling or psycho'. Either
> way, there's not much point in my responding further. If you're a
> troll, I'm just feeding you, which is stupid. If you're a psycho, I'm
> just feeding your psychosis, which would be fun if I were a sadist,
> but I'm not.
Troy is both. Wait 'til he starts sending you death threats.
Anim8rFSK
Edward McArdle <mca...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Or the genre. Although it was kind of a small genre to begin with, as
we can only come up with maybe half a dozen entries.
ravenlynne
> Must be more than that . . .
>
> Ultraviolet?
Forever Knight?
jayembee
> jayembee <jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrote:
>
>> Assuming that by "the one about the cop" you mean FOREVER KNIGHT,
>> that's disqualified as it was on 10 years before ANGEL. Fred
>> specifically said "better than any vampire show *since*" (emphasis
>> added).
>>
>> The only other vampire shows I can think of off-hand (at least,
>> with the main character being a vampire, so BUFFY doesn't count)
>> are the syndicated DRACULA: THE SERIES and FOX's KINDRED: THE
>> EMBRACED. And both of those were way before ANGEL as well.
>
> I think a case can be made for Dark Shadows, and if you don't
> want to count the original, then the remake, but, still way
> before Angel.
Duh. DARK SHADOWS. How the *hell* could I forget that one? Either one?
> Oh, wasn't there a Dracula series in that cliffhangers trilogy,
> whatever it was called?
Yeah, I suppose that's worth counting. It was called "The Curse of
Dracula".
> Must be more than that . . .
>
> Ultraviolet?
By the "rules" I set up above, I didn't count this. The main
character in that show was a detective who got caught up in the
hunt for vampires.
-- jayembee
jayembee
Anim8rFSK
jayembee <jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > jayembee <jayembe...@snurcher.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Assuming that by "the one about the cop" you mean FOREVER KNIGHT,
> >> that's disqualified as it was on 10 years before ANGEL. Fred
> >> specifically said "better than any vampire show *since*" (emphasis
> >> added).
> >>
> >> The only other vampire shows I can think of off-hand (at least,
> >> with the main character being a vampire, so BUFFY doesn't count)
> >> are the syndicated DRACULA: THE SERIES and FOX's KINDRED: THE
> >> EMBRACED. And both of those were way before ANGEL as well.
> >
> > I think a case can be made for Dark Shadows, and if you don't
> > want to count the original, then the remake, but, still way
> > before Angel.
>
> Duh. DARK SHADOWS. How the *hell* could I forget that one? Either one?
hee hee
Hey
HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS is on TV tonight. Either AMC or TCM.
>
> > Oh, wasn't there a Dracula series in that cliffhangers trilogy,
> > whatever it was called?
>
> Yeah, I suppose that's worth counting. It was called "The Curse of
> Dracula".
>
> > Must be more than that . . .
> >
> > Ultraviolet?
>
> By the "rules" I set up above, I didn't count this. The main
> character in that show was a detective who got caught up in the
> hunt for vampires.
>
> -- jayembee
Thanks; that's why I question marked it. I only watched most of the
first ep.
RichA
video...@yahoo.com wrote:
> He's billed as "The Destroyer".
>
> A being so scary even the water-loving squid-things were afraid of him.
>
> Instead we get a human teenager who would probably get eaten alive by
> those water-squids. They were afraid of this... boy??? I don't buy
> it. And as season 4 continues onward, Conner becomes weaker and
> weaker.
>
> "The Destroyer comes"?
>
> Hardly.
Part of Buffy and Angel's plotlines were that the "ultimate" evil was
ALWAYS coming, nearly every week. How do you top, the top? Angel
probably got desperate, especially when they cut the budget in half
near the last year.
buck naked
> "(Harmony) Watcher" <nob...@nonesuch.com> wrote in message
> news:QIFZg.156481$1T2.144619@pd7urf2no...
>>
>> <video...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161219056....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> He's billed as "The Destroyer".
>>>
>>> A being so scary even the water-loving squid-things were afraid of
>>> him. Instead we get a human teenager who would probably get eaten alive
>>> by those water-squids. They were afraid of this... boy??? I don't
>>> buy it. And as season 4 continues onward, Conner becomes weaker and
>>> weaker.
>>>
>>> "The Destroyer comes"?
>>>
>>> Hardly.
>>>
>>
>> followed
>> by a dramatic escape, attaching himself on to a fast moving bus and
>> flipping
>> on to the top--reminiscent of the movements of Janeway's species 842
>> (or is
>> it 841). But then it's all "downhill" from there. It is as if the
>> boy's martial arts skills went down two or three notches as he time
>> passed. I'd chalk it up to the smog in LA.
>>
>> --
>> ==Harmony Watcher==
>
> 1) Increasing lack of practice.
>
> 2) Lack of relative ruthlessness in his new trainer.
>
> 3) Villains typically get weaker when they become good--or vice versa.
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
Wasn't he the destroyer?
He helped bring Jasmine into the world, and only his interference stopped
her.
(not a huge conner fan, just no one had mentioned that)
(Harmony) Watcher
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According to even Jasmine herself, she was the love child of Cordy and
Connor, but I don't want to be insensitive here, but I demand to know who
the father was. :p
</rhetorical>
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==Harmony Watcher
Ken from Chicago
"buck naked" <bna...@your.mom> wrote in message
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Connor caught her by surprise.
He was getting soft with his comfy cushy HUMAN surroundings.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Connor was the father.
-- Ken from Chicago
(Harmony) Watcher
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pregnancy that ballooned up a belly in a day or two need sperm in the first
place? It's just too inconvenient and too pesky. Think about it. After the
sperm met the egg, presumably a human soul was already in place, and then
"Jasmine" or whoever the heck it was would need to suppress or drive the
human soul away in order to take over. It would be much easier *if* it could
simply impregnate Cordy without the need of a sperm via mystical means, of
course, and no human soul to deal with afterwards.
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mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
> simply impregnate Cordy without the need of a sperm via mystical means, of
> course, and no human soul to deal with afterwards.
yes
ummm connor was the mystical means
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
there can only be one or two - the airtight garage has you neo
(Harmony) Watcher
"mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges"
<mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > human soul away in order to take over. It would be much easier *if* it
could
> > simply impregnate Cordy without the need of a sperm via mystical means,
of
> > course, and no human soul to deal with afterwards.
>
> yes
>
> ummm connor was the mystical means
>
the pregnancy did not require sperm?
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Ken from Chicago
Fine, ignore the tv series and make up your own story.
-- Ken from Chicago
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
conner was the mystical sperm donor
it was shown that he wasnt exactly human
and cordeia was no longer wholly human
so normal human rules dont apply
(and actresses dont always get pregnant on the seasons schedule)
cordelia was by that time controlled by jasmine
whether conner was controlled by anything but his own hormones is not revealed
cordelias blood reveals jasmines truth because cordelia is her mother
and that gives cordelia power over her
conner punches through jasmines head because he is her father
and that gives him power over her
(Harmony) Watcher
possibilities, I clearly label them as conjectures. But what I don't do is
to equate mere utterance with truth--not in the real world, and, especially,
not in a fiction world. Writer's intent is silly especially when some ME
writers like to fool people.
Where are the on screen evidence for Connor being the biological father of
Jasmine except for Jasmine's words? And hadn't Jasmine been lying about lots
of things all along?
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Ken from Chicago
Connor having sex with Cordy. Connor's unusual birth. Connor's unusal
existence.
-- Ken from Chicago
bar...@shentel.net
Cordelia appeared physically pregnant and the only person she'd had sex
with was COnnor.
JLB
Mel
Cordy's blood disabled the illusion Jasmine created because she shared
that blood with her. Connor could put his fist through Jasmine's head
because the same blood tie made Jasmine susceptible to injury from him.
Maybe it wasn't sperm she needed, but rather Connor's soul.
Mel
(Harmony) Watcher
"Mel" <melb...@uci.net> wrote in message
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everything. There is a smidge of doubt as to whether it was really about
Connor's sperm. All I'm saying is that for all we know, Cordy could have sex
with herself and still get pregnant if the Jasmine god wanted to grow a
mystical balloon inside her tummy. In the land of magicks, sperm meeting the
egg does not have to be a prerequisite for a mystical pregnancy.
If the sperm met the egg, Jasmine might end up getting a pesky soul.
> Maybe it wasn't sperm she needed, but rather Connor's soul.
>
Intriguing, but how exactly does that work? More food for thought. Thanks
--
==Harmony Watcher==
Mel
(Harmony) Watcher wrote:
>
>>Maybe it wasn't sperm she needed, but rather Connor's soul.
>>
>
> Intriguing, but how exactly does that work? More food for thought. Thanks
>
> --
> ==Harmony Watcher==
>
>
Magic :-)
Mel
(Harmony) Watcher
place, :)
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==Harmony Watcher==
Joseph S. Powell, III
Not to mention how he dropped out of medical school and decided to go
through a mystical time portal to the late 50's and decided to take a job at
an advertising agency.
Then he knocked up Peggy, but she realized he was such a little snot-worm
that she decided not to tell him (think about this: Peggy's baby is the
grandson of two vampires on the paternal side!).
On top of all that, he seems to have lost his immense strength - he keeps on
walking into concrete pillars and the other week he got his ass kicked by a
whiny old British gent (name of Pryce, uncertain if it is any relation to
Wyndam-Pryce).
Now he's cheating on his wife (that's par for the course as Connor went
right after Cordy in the sack) both at a whorehouse and then with one of his
neighbor's wives!
Destroyer from Quor-toth my ass!