Angel cast and creators reunite for 20th anniversary of beloved vampire drama series

[Ubiquitous]

In the City of Angels, the sun is shining brightly on Good Friday. But
beyond a heavy black door, away from harsh light, vampires, demons, and
a rogue demon hunter or two gather in the darkness of an abandoned
warehouse.

Okay, so the Hollywood studio that’s serving as the location for EW’s
Angel reunion shoot isn’t actually a warehouse, nor a meeting place for
the undead. Rather, the cast of the WB drama is very human, and
expressing very human levels of excitement at being together again, 20
years after their show debuted.

“It’s good to see everybody!” says David Boreanaz, 50, the show’s
titular vampire who, upon arrival, immediately makes a beeline for the
dressing room to find his costars. Spotting Charisma Carpenter (shallow
cheerleader-turned-champion Cordelia) and Amy Acker (shy Texan
physicist Winifred “Fred” Burkle) in makeup chairs, he plops himself on
the counter and sits, legs swinging giddily, catching up with them
while they’re curled and coiffed. “Look at that smile,” he says,
gesturing to Carpenter with affection. “We just picked up where we were
last time we talked to each other.” Speaking of picking up, Acker, 42,
enjoyed the series’ experience so much, she has already declared she’d
be ready for a revival, which would be season 6. “Every show should be
this fun,” she says. “We were so spoiled.”

Angel premiered on The WB on Oct. 5, 1999, as a spin-off of creator
Joss Whedon’s original vampire series, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and
furthered the story of a bloodsucker whom the Romany cursed with a soul
as punishment for a century of mass murder. Leaving Buffy (Sarah
Michelle Gellar) and Sunnydale behind, Angel arrived in Los Angeles to
continue his quest for redemption by helping the helpless, one at a
time. Over the course of five seasons (all of which are available to
stream on Hulu), Angel was aided by fellow Buffy expats Cordelia Chase
(Carpenter), Wesley Wyndam-Pryce (Alexis Denisof), and Spike (James
Marsters), and new allies Fred (Acker) and vampire hunter Charles Gunn
(J. August Richards), among other humans and demons along the way until
The WB abruptly canceled the show in 2004. (We will get to that
unmerciful killing later.)

Angel was the brain spawn of Whedon and Buffy writer David Greenwalt,
who’d been the one to pen the first kiss between the Slayer and her
vampire-with-a soul boo Angel. “It all made sense on paper,” says
Whedon, 55. “But until you have a show, you don’t have a show.” The duo
began carving out a heavier series than Buffy — for a minute it even
got too dark and the network had to intervene — that would explore a
different message from Buffy’s what-kind-of-person-will-you-be? themes.
Instead, it would focus on the idea of dealing with the consequences of
your actions. “We thought, let’s do a noir thing that’s about addiction
and redemption, and we’ll put them in L.A.,” says Greenwalt. “The
stories will be darker and, more important, he’ll be darker.” What they
ended up with certainly had intense moments, but also plenty of humor
and heart, too.

Life Beyond the Breakup
Spoiler alert from almost two decades ago: Buffy and Angel’s love
didn’t last for all undead eternity. Still, Whedon wasn’t ready to say
goodbye to Boreanaz’s thoughtful portrayal of the damned creature who
was so damn easy to love. Although Angel premiered alongside Buffy’s
fourth season, the heavens opened and the idea for a spin-off actually
struck Whedon during the parent show’s second season when Whedon saw
Boreanaz play a female role in an episode during which Buffy and Angel
are possessed by a high school student and teacher, respectively. “I
watched David very emotionally, unabashedly, and poetically playing a
woman, and in that moment was like, ‘This guy can anchor a show,’ ” he
says.

Whedon pitched Greenwalt the idea of taking the brooding, cursed-with-
a-conscience vampire to L.A. with a mission to save others in return
for ultimate absolution. “We started talking in terms of redemption,”
says Whedon. “We realized, while Buffy is about the hero’s journey —
that ‘becoming the person you are’ that happens in adolescence — Angel
is about dealing with the person you’ve been.” Or, as co-creator
Greenwalt, 69, puts it: “Buffy has this wonderful purpose and fights
evil, but still wants to go to the prom and get the right dress. Angel
is a much darker and, in a sense, more complex character.”

Even with a lead who inspires confidence and a complicated character to
explore, spin-offs can be risky (see: Party of Five’s Time of Your
Life, Dawson’s Creek’s Young Americans). Plus, snatching the love
interest from a successful show could anger fans. But for Whedon,
keeping the character on the original series was a potential death
sentence — even for an undead vamp. “Buffy is a show about the
experience of life,” he explains. “And the experience of life where you
go to college and your high school boyfriend sticks around? That show
is only about how terrible that year is, and then it stops.” The new
series targeted an older (though not quite as old as its protagonist),
relatively untapped demographic. “Angel is the oldest guy to ever be on
The WB,” jokes Greenwalt (whom the cast affectionately dubbed
“Greenie”). “He’s, like, 228 years old, right? Where Buffy is a high
school metaphor, there’s not a lot of great metaphors for your 20s.
They’re really kind of wasted years when you just look good and young.”
Telling a postgrad narrative, the co-creators felt, allowed them to
reach more people.

That’s not to say grown-up Angel didn’t have its share of teething
problems. When the network saw the script for episode two, they balked.
“They completely freaked out and they were right because in our effort
to go dark, we went a little too dark,” says Greenwalt of a scene in
which Angel lets a girl die and then licks her blood up off the ground.
“If you’re gonna go that dark, you have to earn it. So, we shut down
for a few weeks, revamped some things and we were off and running.”

Convening the Coven
As it turns out, when Whedon wants to tell you something important, he
invites you to eat. Initially, when Boreanaz received the lunch invite,
he panicked, thinking he was being fired. But when the actual
conversation transpired, all the actor could think about was the Irish.
In the midst of shooting a Buffy scene that flashed back to the 18th
century, Boreanaz showed up to lunch in his ponytailed wig, preoccupied
with the brogue he was trying to perfect. “I think we started talking
about the Grateful Dead,” remembers Boreanaz. “Then he’s like, ‘Yeah,
we’re thinking about spinning your character off.’ And I’m like, ‘All
right,’ but I’m concerned about my accent that I’m supposed to do in
the scene.” Says Whedon with a laugh, “David’s not a great squealer;
the word confetti doesn’t come to mind.”

Apt, since Boreanaz’s Angel loved a good brood as much as a pint of
body-temp blood. But Greenwalt realized a sulking lead can make an
audience grow somber too, so he came up with a way to add some, um,
charisma to the series. “Immediately after I said yes, I said we have
to bring Charisma Carpenter to the show because we need to brighten the
darkness of Angel,” says Greenwalt. Agrees Carpenter, 48, “When you
bring a big bright smile to this dismal, dark thing, it provides a
conflict or contrast that makes it interesting.”

Enter Cordelia: the sharp-tongued, Sunnydale High May Queen who heads
to L.A. with the hopes of becoming a star. But, as the series
repeatedly reminds us, in L.A. big dreams can pretty quickly become
real nightmares, and before long Cordy joins Angel to help the helpless
and her empty checking account. “We sat Charisma down and she was
pretty excited, but she was like, ‘If it flops, can I go back to
Buffy?’” says Greenwalt, who assured Carpenter she could. While Whedon
believes Carpenter was right to ask that question, he was also seeing
potential for the character beyond a bright spot in a dark room. In
Cordelia, he found he had an opportunity to tell an origin story,
something he had to skip with Gellar as Buffy. “You get to watch her go
from somebody who is completely shallow and self-involved to somebody
who is a hero,” he says.

When the show premiered, the original main trio was rounded out by
Irish actor and Roseanne alum Glenn Quinn, who played Doyle, a lovable
half-demon cursed with visions of people in danger, whom Angel could
then save. After nine episodes, Quinn’s character was written out and a
self-proclaimed rogue demon hunter, Denisof’s Wesley, entered the fray
instead. He wasn’t quite as rogue as he claimed to be, nor was he
unfamiliar, having appeared in season 3 of Buffy. “I commend this
gentleman because he had to come into a situation,” says Boreanaz of
Denisof. “Obviously it was a great character, but he filled that
missing hole.”

As is his style, Whedon invited Denisof (Chilling Adventures of
Sabrina) to breakfast. “We came up with this summer of rebellion that
Wesley had had and then he arrives on a motorcycle with big ideas of
himself,’” says Denisof of the character-building discussion with
Whedon. “Other than fitting him in, there wasn’t really a plan, long-
term, for him, but it ended up being an extraordinary roller coaster.”
Part of that bumpy ride included a seasons-spanning love triangle with
the introduction of timid Fred (Acker, who joined the show in the
second season) and vampire hunter Charles Gunn (Richards, who came
aboard toward the end of the first).

Both Richards and Acker were relatively new to the industry when they
auditioned for their parts, and both took unorthodox routes to landing
them. His hair dyed red in a bid to show The WB he wasn’t “too clean-
cut for the role,” Richards (who can be seen next this fall on Council
of Dads) walked into his audition channeling advice to investigate the
opposite of what your character’s saying that he’d garnered from an
episode of Inside the Actors Studio with Meryl Streep. “I remember
feeling really good about it, and then Joss just looks at me and goes,
‘My wife’s hair is that color,’ ” says Richards, laughing. When Whedon
came across Acker in the audition room, it was more of a hair-blown-
back-in-awe experience. “Amy walked in the door as I was handing her
photo to [producer] Marti Noxon, and it flew out of my hand and hit
Marti in the face,” says the co-creator. “That was about as suave as I
got. She was just the most captivating human I’d ever seen.”

The Road to Redemption
Angel found its rhythm and tone, paying homage to classic film noir and
mixing genres along the way. “Credit to the writers and showrunners,
they were very brave about creating a heady cocktail of drama and
humor,” says Denisof. Whedon sums it up best: “It’s apocalyptic goofy
noir.” From the darkest scenes (such as Angel attempting to kill Wesley
as he lay in a hospital bed) to the most ridiculous (a spell turning
Angel into a Muppet comes to mind), there was no denying it was unique
television. And for a show pegged on such a bleak premise, there were
lots of laughs both on and off camera — and karaoke, thanks to the
introduction of an all-singing, aura-reading demon named Lorne, played
by Andy Hallett, who passed away in 2009. Plus, Boreanaz was a total
prankster on set. “There was almost no take that didn’t end with all of
us just laughing because David had started something,” says Denisof.
Adds Carpenter, “But then he’d be able to stop, and three hours later,
we’re still laughing!”

Though there continued to be the occasional crossover with the show
that sired it (and a couple more Buffy alums joining the show, like
Mercedes McNab’s Harmony), Angel evolved into its own beast, often
maintaining the case-of-the-week, procedural element but also
introducing larger, season-spanning narrative arcs. For more than 100
episodes, Angel battled on, gradually coming to terms with the truth
that evil will always exist, it’s how you confront it that matters.
“There’s a wonderful power in genre [television],” muses Greenwalt.
“You can do deeper, more emotional metaphors, and yet people still feel
slightly removed from the issues because they say, ‘Oh, that’s
fantasy.’” Some of those more emotional moments included a story arc
where Angel and the vampire who sired him, Darla (Julie Benz), have a
son. After some accelerated aging in a hell dimension, Angel’s now-
teenage son Connor was played by Mad Men‘s Vincent Kartheiser. “For
Angel to have a son, I mean that just opened up so much,” says
Greenwalt. “It was just great for him to have to go through even more
living hell.”

At the reunion shoot, the cast discusses favorite episodes. On a show
with so many offbeat and daring turns, it’s hard to narrow them down,
but one adventure does keep coming up: the trip to a demon dimension
called Pylea, only accessible by passing through a mystical portal. “We
drove a car through the entrance of Paramount studios!” exclaims
Boreanaz. Since Pylea wasn’t Earth, vampires could stand in sunlight
without combusting. Suddenly a cast that was largely confined to night
shoots — “Sixteen-hour days in a stinky alley with people yelling at
you to let them sleep!” recalls Carpenter fondly — could film in
daylight. “You’d have thought we’d be happy, but it happened to come
during a heat wave,” says Denisof. “It was sweltering and we were all
in our brooding, dark clothes.” A much-needed distraction during
shooting came in the form of Whedon going undercover as a green horned
demon and performing a dance number that lasted a good few minutes more
than he expected. “I didn’t have four minutes of a dance made up, and I
was terribly out of shape,” says Whedon with a laugh.

Those were the lighter days. When Angel had to revert to his soulless
demon counterpart Angelus, things grew more uncomfortable. Embracing
the dark headspace necessary to pull off the depraved demon was
actually the lesser of two evils for Boreanaz; the literal headspace
was worse — namely a risen brow and fangs. “This was before easy CGI
effects, so all of that was real and it was a long, uncomfortable
process,” says Denisof of the vampire makeup. “We were all pretty
sensitive to what David had to go through when he was in Angelus mode.”
As soon as they yelled cut, Boreanaz would immediately rip the brow
piece from his face, so fast that one time a chunk hit James Marsters
(fellow vamp Spike) in the face. A dark look passes over Boreanaz’s own
human brow as he casts his mind back to the experience. Still, from
behind the camera, Whedon was a fan of the Angelus turns. “It’s always
fun to have an electric character,” he says. “He inevitably ends up
being an empowering figure because he sees through you and being able
to face him means that you’re stronger.”

Going Down Swinging
Heading into the fifth season, the cast and crew initially expected
there to be a sixth, but when cancellation news hit during production,
story lines that had the potential to run for years suddenly had to be
wrapped up in half a season. That included an arc with Marsters, who
had just joined the show as Buffy veteran vamp Spike, filling the space
left by Cordelia’s departure. Marsters, 56, describes the dynamic as
“the college friend who comes over to stay with you and he swears to
God it’s for just one week, but he will not get off the couch and never
leaves.” Though there was much more to explore in Angel’s new foil,
Whedon (Greenwalt had departed the series by this point but remained a
consulting producer) made the most of the episodes he had. “It’s very
important to me that something goes out as strong as it can be,” says
Whedon, who went on to write and direct The Avengers and Avengers: Age
of Ultron. “And there was enough time for us to take it where we
thought it should go.”

In a show where death is tantalizingly dangled in front of the
characters in most episodes, it was time to make good on those threats.
Once again, Whedon invited a cast member to eat with him. This time, it
was Acker. “We sat down at coffee and he said, ‘I just wanted you to
know, I’m killing Fred,’” says Acker (Person of Interest, The Gifted).
“And he waited, really a long time before he said, ‘You’re still gonna
be on the show.’” Laughs Whedon, “I took my moment, I’m not going to
lie.” Acker later told Whedon it was the second part of the sentence
that terrified her more. When Whedon said she’d still be on the show,
he meant as a blue demon named Illyria, who takes over Fred’s body,
killing her in the process. Whedon gave Acker some scenes for her new
character to mull over, then invited her and Denisof to his house to
run through them. The creator landed on Illyria’s hue then and there,
by utilizing a multi-colored lightening function in his kitchen to
flick through different shades. “He got to the blue lights and he was
like, ‘Yeah, this is it,’” recalls Acker.

While Fred lived on in a certain respect, by the series finale,
Wesley’s fate was sealed. In the ultimate showdown with the Circle of
the Black Thorn (a secret society of the most despicable harbingers of
the apocalypse), the former Watcher meets his end in the arms of the
women he loved, thanks to Illyria transforming herself back into Fred
for those dying moments. “I still get feelings about that scene,” says
Denisof. “It was saying goodbye to a lot of things all at once. I
remember on the day it was hard to keep it simple — be in the scene and
not have the end of the show, the end of the character and the end of
an era all coming into it. I can’t say it didn’t.” As for the fate of
the rest of the Angel Investigations team? Well…

When the series finale aired in May 2004, audiences were split on the
seemingly open ending. The episode’s last scene sees a secret society
of apocalypse harbingers opening the gateways to hell right into Los
Angeles. The remaining members of the group look on as thousands of
demons, creatures, and giants crawl onto the streets. As a dragon flies
overhead, Angel turns to them and says, “Personally, I kinda want to
slay the dragon. Let’s go to work.” Cut to black.

Whedon knows what you’re thinking, but doesn’t agree. “That ain’t a
cliff,” he says. “I understand why people would want closure, but for
me, that would be like adding a cliff note to the end. What I always
wanted to say is, trying to become worthy of the life that you have is
a life’s work. The fight is for always.” And that’s the series’ true
message: The pursuit is never-ending. “I always hope that people feel
the difficulty and possibility of redemption within the show,” says
Whedon. “The price will always be high,” he continues, but if — as
Angel says — we’re willing to “do the work, it will always be worth
it.” It certainly was for Boreanaz. “I’m so proud of what we all
accomplished,” he says. “There’s such strength in all of these
characters; they struggle and they do find redemption somehow.”

Watch the full episode of Entertainment Weekly Cast Reunions:
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[BTR1701]

In article <AGD.201905...@MX2.NXE6190517182237813>,
"Sara Griffin" <saragri...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In my opinion, it is only the show where every season was greater than the
> one before it; order of greatness being Season 5 > Season 4 > Season 3 >
> Season 2 > Season 1. To see this cast grow in their abilities and
> capabilities over the course of 5 seasons was a joy and pleasure to watch.
> Especially Boreanaz, Denisof, Acker and Masters. (It is why the Emmys/critic
> awards/industry awards are fool's gold or the most popular person in high
> school silliness.) When I see a series create episodes such as Orpheus/Not
> Fade Away/A Hole in The World/Smile Time along with great multi-season arcs,
> I can only bow down to its greatness.

It's one major stumble was the whole Connor mess. Especially the bit
where he and Cordelia start sleeping together. Ugh.

[Ian J. Ball]

"Beloved"?!! According to whom?!?!!

[anim8rfsk]

Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:24:10 -0700 Ian J. Ball<IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:

> "Beloved"?!! According to whom?!?!!

It was PLANNED for Doyle to leave.

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On 2019-06-25 03:32:30 +0000, anim8rfsk said:

> Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:24:10 -0700 Ian J. Ball<IJB...@mac.invalid> wrote:
>
>> "Beloved"?!! According to whom?!?!!
>
> It was PLANNED for Doyle to leave.

Yeah, sure... [ASSHOLES!!]


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[Cynthia Cunningham]

why are the men dressed as brooding men but the women are dressed as off-
the-rack dominatrices? There's a way to do brooding and sexy without looking
like you just left a sex show. Or dress the men in the same manner. Why isn't
one of the guys wearing a long leather house coat with sexy black shorts
underneath? Double standard much?

In article <MKudndpaid4bjY3A...@giganews.com>,

[David Snowdon]

Umm glen quinn died, he wasn't just written out of the show

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cynthianc...@gmail.com wrote in message
news:7179b30889c854eb...@stmedm.info...

>why are the men dressed as brooding men but the women are dressed as off-
>the-rack dominatrices? There's a way to do brooding and sexy without
>looking like you just left a sex show. Or dress the men in the same manner.
>Why isn't one of the guys wearing a long leather house coat with sexy black
>shorts underneath? Double standard much?

Maybe that's what Charisma and Amy chose to wear?

;-) OBS

[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

David Snowdon <do...@torfree.net> wrote in
news:n00ojp$1bkd$1...@gioia.aioe.org:

>>
>>When the show premiered, the original main trio was rounded out
>>by Irish actor and Roseanne alum Glenn Quinn, who played Doyle,
>>a lovable half-demon cursed with visions of people in danger,
>>whom Angel could then save. After nine episodes, Quinn’s
>>character was written out and a self-proclaimed rogue demon
>>hunter, Denisof’s Wesley, entered the fray instead. He wasn’t
>>quite as rogue as he claimed to be, nor was he unfamiliar,
>>having appeared in season 3 of Buffy. “I commend this gentleman
>>because he had to come into a situation,” says Boreanaz of
>>Denisof. “Obviously it was a great character, but he filled that
>>missing hole.”
>
> Umm glen quinn died, he wasn't just written out of the show
>

According to Wikipedia, he dies in December 2002. According to IMDB,
that would be during season 4 of Angel. Seems he took a *long* time
to die.

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[David Snowdon]

Wow,
so someone has hijacked my name and e-mail address in order to post
onto Usenet. My question: Why bother ??

David


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[anim8rfsk]

He was written out of the show and died some time later, not written out
because he had died.

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[anim8rfsk]

Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:21:43 -0700 David Snowdon<do...@torfree.net> wrote:

> Wow,
> so someone has hijacked my name and e-mail address in order to post
> onto Usenet. My question: Why bother ??

They wanted to be wrong using your name?

> David
>
> ---
> David Snowdon wrote:
> > web...@polaris.net wrote:
> >
> > Umm glen quinn died, he wasn't just written out of the show
> >
> > DKS
> > ---
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[Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha]

anim8rfsk <anim...@cox.net> wrote in
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> Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:21:43 -0700 David Snowdon<do...@torfree.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow,
>> so someone has hijacked my name and e-mail address in order to
>> post onto Usenet. My question: Why bother ??
>
> They wanted to be wrong using your name?

Given how wrong they ended up being, one can hardly blame them.

[David]

"BTR1701" wrote in message
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But --- we got to see Faith kick his ass! Emmy material IMO.

[Lynn McGuire]

On 6/22/2019 2:17 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> In the City of Angels, the sun is shining brightly on Good Friday. But
> beyond a heavy black door, away from harsh light, vampires, demons, and
> a rogue demon hunter or two gather in the darkness of an abandoned
> warehouse.
>
> Okay, so the Hollywood studio that’s serving as the location for EW’s
> Angel reunion shoot isn’t actually a warehouse, nor a meeting place for
> the undead. Rather, the cast of the WB drama is very human, and
> expressing very human levels of excitement at being together again, 20
> years after their show debuted.

It would be nice if you give the URL. Both to attribute the author of
the article and to let us see the pictures.

Lynn

[J. Clarke]

I'm pretty sure this is it.
<https://ew.com/tv/2019/06/20/angel-reunion-20th-anniversary/>
>
>Lynn
>

[Michael Ikeda]

In article <AGD.201905...@MX2.NXE6190517182237813>, saragri...@gmail.com wrote:

>In my opinion, it is only the show where every season was greater than the
>one before it; order of greatness being Season 5 > Season 4 > Season 3 >
>Season 2 > Season 1. To see this cast grow in their abilities and
>capabilities over the course of 5 seasons was a joy and pleasure to watch.
>Especially Boreanaz, Denisof, Acker and Masters. (It is why the Emmys/critic
>awards/industry awards are fool's gold or the most popular person in high
>school silliness.) When I see a series create episodes such as Orpheus/Not
>Fade Away/A Hole in The World/Smile Time along with great multi-season arcs,

>I can only bow down to its greatness. Angel always felt like the red headed
>stepchild of tv series even among Whedon's own filmography.
>One last thing, even though The Sopranos is the 2nd best series of all time
>(behind the GOAT "The Wire"), Angel cut to black to end its series THREE
>YEARS before Made in America closed the curtains on the Sopranos.

Cancelled too soon.

[FPP]

On 6/25/19 10:49 PM, IJB...@mac.invalid wrote:
>
>"Beloved"?!! According to whom?!?!!

My daughter passed away at 14 in 2004 from a brain tumor. She loved
this show. She got to meet David and he was a wonderful person. He
treated with her with love and respect. She talked about meeting him
until the day she passed away. Thank you David and the cast for being
their for her when she couldn't go out.

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[Ubiquitous]

In article <qflpbh$c8g$1...@dont-email.me>, art...@alum.calberkeley.org wrote:
>On 6/24/2019 10:07 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 15:52:05 -0400, "Sara Griffin"

>> Agreed though I loved the Wolfram & Hart shows best and the fact I
>> even remember the demonic law firm some 20 years on should tell you I
>> enjoyed the series...
>
>It was a truly great series cut down far too soon. I can still remember
>quotes and jokes from various episodes.

"too soon"?

[J. Clarke]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2019 19:55:53 -0400, Ubiquitous <web...@polaris.net>
wrote:

I really wanted another season of Illyria.

[Micky DuPree]

David Snowdon <do...@torfree.net> writes:

> Umm glen quinn died, he wasn't just written out of the show

Quinn was written out in 1999. He didn't die until 2002.


_Angel_, like _Buffy_, lost its narrative way when it lost its sense of
metaphor after the second season, and didn't start to find its way back
until the last season. It hit its thematic peak far too early, with the
addiction metaphor and "Beige Angel" in the second season. It foundered
with the pregnancy-as-redemption arc for Darla in the third season, and
having an estranged son isn't really a metaphor for anything. It's just
about having an estranged son.

-Micky