The bus crash, Weevil, and Curly Moran (on "Veronica Mars")
reld...@usa.net
storyline.
In the "Rashard and Wallace" episode, one of the PCHers was
blackmailing Weevil by showing a video clip he had taken of Weevil
beating somebody up. My weak eyes couldn't tell who the guy was who
Weevil was beating up (I really need a new lens prescription), but on
the TWOP recap the guy was said to be Curly Moran.
Why on earth would Weevil beat up Curly Moran? (By the way I don't
believe for a moment that Weevil killed Moran, or wrote Veronica's name
on Moran's hand, but somebody else could have come along later and
found the beaten and helpless Moran, then murdered him easily.)
I couldn't think of any connection between Weevil and Moran, but then I
read a comment on another forum saying:
"2:4 Green-Eyed Monster -- Didn't rewatch it but I'm reading through
the recaps at tv.com to see if any clues surface. Whoop. There is.
Weevil tells Veronica he got a call a few days before Moran was found,
saying Moran was hired to cause the crash by the Fighting Fitzpatricks.
Which now effectively ties the FFs to Moran's death, Cook and Woody.
We learn the call came from Logan's house where it seems all of
Neptune, but specifically some PCHers and the Sheriff's department had
opportunity to use the phone."
I don't remember this in episode 2.4 at all, but if it's true then some
anonymous person wanted to get Weevil angry at Curly Moran by telling
Weevil that Moran had caused the bus crash. Weevil would care about
that a lot because some of the people who died in the bus crash were
his friends, for example Cervando the biker. Evidently Weevil actually
was angry enough to go and beat up Curly Moran, and I'm guessing the
video of the beating was taken by the person who anonymously phoned
Logan, because that person wanted to get evidence that would make it
look as though Weevil could have killed Moran. That person must have
been planning to kill Moran all along. And I guess the anonymous
phone-caller is the same PCHer who later had the videotape of the
beating, and threatened Weevil with it. (I can't remember that guy's
name, though.) So if I'm right, that guy must have always wanted to
kill Moran and must have always wanted to get Weevil in trouble; thus
he killed two birds with one stone by making Weevil look like a likely
suspect in Moran's death, while at the same time getting rid of Moran.
But since the PCHer we're talking about is evil and treacherous, his
motivation in wanting to kill Moran couldn't simply be moral
indignation at the thought that Moran had killed people in the bus
crash. An evil, treacherous guy like that wouldn't care if Cervando
and other people had died. So what was his real motive, and what was
the point of telling Weevil that Moran had caused the bus crash at the
instigation of the Fitzpatricks? Was that just to get Weevil angrier?
Was it to make the story seem more plausible, because Moran is an Irish
name? Is it the simple truth? Why would the Fitzpatricks want to
cause the bus crash?
It's amazing how many ramifications there are to all this.
Clairel
Rose
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Iris M. Gray
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: >I still feel as if I don't understand everything about this ongoing VM
: > storyline.
: I get confused whenever I try to figure it all out.
I've decided to just stop trying to figure it all out, sit back, and enjoy
the ride. At first I thought the season's big story would be who killed
the PCH'er that Logan is accused of killing. Then it was the bus crash.
Then Wallace's long-lost father showed up. Then Meg supposedly died, only
she's not dead. And Duncan ran away with his and Meg's baby, framing
Veronica along the way. My head spins when I try to knit it all together.
--
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ANIM8Rfsk
rai...@vtn1.victoria.tc.ca wrote on 2/7/06 8:56 PM:
> Rose (ro...@here.me) wrote:
>
> : <reld...@usa.net> wrote in message
> : news:1139344400.5...@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> : >I still feel as if I don't understand everything about this ongoing VM
> : > storyline.
>
>
> : I get confused whenever I try to figure it all out.
>
> I've decided to just stop trying to figure it all out, sit back, and enjoy
> the ride. At first I thought the season's big story would be who killed
> the PCH'er that Logan is accused of killing. Then it was the bus crash.
> Then Wallace's long-lost father showed up. Then Meg supposedly died, only
> she's not dead.
Why isn't Meg dead?
And Duncan ran away with his and Meg's baby, framing
> Veronica along the way.
Duncan framed Veronica???
My head spins when I try to knit it all together.
>
> --
> Iris Gray, Puff, Calli and Poupee
> "It's like correcting people's grammar. I don't do it to be popular."
> -- Dr. Frasier Crane
> Personal website: http://victoria.tc.ca/~rainbow/
> Fanfic website: http://rainbowsfanfiction.populli.net
> LiveJournal: http://rainbow_goddess.livejournal.com
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I don't read this post, and certainly not the replies, but could you
avoid spoilerish subject-lines?
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kenm47
I didn't think it was spoilerish at all.
Ken (Brooklyn)
burt...@hotmail.com
> But since the PCHer we're talking about is evil and treacherous, his
> motivation in wanting to kill Moran couldn't simply be moral
> indignation at the thought that Moran had killed people in the bus
> crash. An evil, treacherous guy like that wouldn't care if Cervando
> and other people had died. So what was his real motive, and what was
> the point of telling Weevil that Moran had caused the bus crash at the
> instigation of the Fitzpatricks? Was that just to get Weevil angrier?
> Was it to make the story seem more plausible, because Moran is an Irish
> name? Is it the simple truth? Why would the Fitzpatricks want to
> cause the bus crash?
>
> It's amazing how many ramifications there are to all this.
Honestly, the bus crash/dead PCHer storyline isn't even on my radar
this season. I could follow all the different threads, speculate about
who did it and why, etc., but the way the Lilly Kane murder plotline
was resolved in season one tells me that's a complete waste of time. I
have no reason to believe that we won't see another resolution that
comes completely out of nowhere and has nothing to do with any of the
clues discovered over the course of the season like we did last time.
I'm just watching because I like some of the characters and the
dialouge is good. It's possible that I'll be pleasantly surprised about
the season's mystery, but I'm not holding out much hope.
reld...@usa.net
--I don't understand what it is about season 1 that makes you so
dismissive of what's going on in season 2; nothing in season 1 made me
any less avid in following the big season-long mystery to its
conclusion, which -- by the way -- I found to be a very satisfying
conclusion. But anyway, what do you think now that you've seen the new
episode ("Magic Mountain")? Seems to me there is substantial progress
being made on the big seasonal mysteries right now.
Clairel
burt...@hotmail.com
> burt...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Honestly, the bus crash/dead PCHer storyline isn't even on my radar
> > this season. I could follow all the different threads, speculate about
> > who did it and why, etc., but the way the Lilly Kane murder plotline
> > was resolved in season one tells me that's a complete waste of time. I
> > have no reason to believe that we won't see another resolution that
> > comes completely out of nowhere and has nothing to do with any of the
> > clues discovered over the course of the season like we did last time.
> >
> > I'm just watching because I like some of the characters and the
> > dialouge is good. It's possible that I'll be pleasantly surprised about
> > the season's mystery, but I'm not holding out much hope.
>
> --I don't understand what it is about season 1 that makes you so
> dismissive of what's going on in season 2; nothing in season 1 made me
> any less avid in following the big season-long mystery to its
> conclusion, which -- by the way -- I found to be a very satisfying
> conclusion. But anyway, what do you think now that you've seen the new
> episode ("Magic Mountain")? Seems to me there is substantial progress
> being made on the big seasonal mysteries right now.
Oh, it certainly looks like there's progress being made. New clues are
being uncovered, plotlines are advancing, etc. The problem is, you
could have said that about many episodes in season 1, but when we
reached the finale, it turned out that none of Veronica's
investigating, none of the many clues meant anything at all. The killer
turned out to be Aaron Echolls, and nothing discovered over the course
of the season in any way pointed to that.
So I'm not bothering to pay very close attention to developments in the
seasonal mystery because I'm not expecting it to pay off at the end.
But like I said, I could be pleasantly surprised. Maybe this season
won't be like the last one and everything we're learning now will tie
in to the resolution of this particular crime. I don't have a lot of
faith that that'll be the case, but it's certainly possible.
MJB
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>
> Oh, it certainly looks like there's progress being made. New clues are
> being uncovered, plotlines are advancing, etc. The problem is, you
> could have said that about many episodes in season 1, but when we
> reached the finale, it turned out that none of Veronica's
> investigating, none of the many clues meant anything at all. The
> killer turned out to be Aaron Echolls, and nothing discovered over the
> course of the season in any way pointed to that.
Are you serious? I, and many others, figured out it was Aaron several
episodes before the finale. The clues were right out there in the open
and, to be honest, fairly obvious.
Watch Season 1 again -- you'll see them all over the place. There are
red herrings early on but they start pointing in the right direction
about 1/2 way through the season.
>
> So I'm not bothering to pay very close attention to developments in
> the seasonal mystery because I'm not expecting it to pay off at the
> end. But like I said, I could be pleasantly surprised. Maybe this
> season won't be like the last one and everything we're learning now
> will tie in to the resolution of this particular crime. I don't have a
> lot of faith that that'll be the case, but it's certainly possible.
I think we've had a number of red herrings so far and probably a few
clues that point in the right direction. As more is revealed we'll
probably find out which are good clues and which are not.
Hmm, some spoiler space before I go over the clues & speculation I can
think of off-hand w/out going to any summary pages...just for the bus
crash that is....
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Logan leaving the vicinity of the bus just before they left on their
trip. Tells Veronica he's going to miss her. Hmmm.
The Rat.
Guy w/Veronica's name on his hand.
Curly knew Aaron Echolls. Aaron has motive (2nd red herring ?)
Curly as a stunt coordinator setup crashes like the bus crash for
movies.
The sound of an explosion on the phone message.
Mayor & ballplayer (T.Cook) have argument in first ep.
Terrence Cook's gambling problem.
The Fighting Fitzpatricks & Cook.
T.Cook & the wacky teacher dated & feuded.
The Mayor wants to break-up Neptune.
T. Cook getting framed by Lamb at this time
On the tapes Keith listed to last week there were some very
interesting statements made. Listen to them again...
There are others I'm forgetting right now....I'll have to make a list
for me when I get some time <HAH>....
burt...@hotmail.com
> burt...@hotmail.com wrote in
> news:1139539084....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > Oh, it certainly looks like there's progress being made. New clues are
> > being uncovered, plotlines are advancing, etc. The problem is, you
> > could have said that about many episodes in season 1, but when we
> > reached the finale, it turned out that none of Veronica's
> > investigating, none of the many clues meant anything at all. The
> > killer turned out to be Aaron Echolls, and nothing discovered over the
> > course of the season in any way pointed to that.
>
> Are you serious? I, and many others, figured out it was Aaron several
> episodes before the finale. The clues were right out there in the open
> and, to be honest, fairly obvious.
>
> Watch Season 1 again -- you'll see them all over the place. There are
> red herrings early on but they start pointing in the right direction
> about 1/2 way through the season.
Are you kidding? There were no clues that pointed to Aaron being the
killer before the season finale. There was no hint as to his motive.
There were no clues that explained how he could whack a girl with an
ashtray and leave no DNA evidence. There were no clues that explained
how he could anticipate a giant coverup by Kane, Inc, and bide his time
for over a year to conveniently be in Lilly's closet for those tapes.
How did he even know Lilly hid her tapes there, or that someone would
know where the evidence was?
There was no way to "figure out" Aaron was the killer before the
finale, because the evidence that fingered him as the killer didn't
appear until the finale. Anyone who predicted him as the killer earlier
was making an unsupported guess, nothing more.
KenM47
Actually, I agree with you a lot, but it started a few episodes before
the finale when they seemed to pull it from their butts what with
Veronica's discovery of the TV camera in Logan's/Aaron's little
passion pit.
Ken (Brooklyn)
Laddy
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There were quite a few people who started to clue in to Aaron Echolls after
the episodes where he beat Logan with his belt, viciously attacked Trina
Echolls' boyfriend, and quasi-lusted over Veronica after she and Logan
started hanging out. He wasn't my guess but many guessed him well in
advance.
ANIM8Rfsk
Ken...@ix.netcom.com wrote on 2/10/06 12:54 PM:
And when he pummeled Willow's boyfriend.
burt...@hotmail.com
KenM47 wrote:
> burt...@hotmail.com wrote:
If memory serves, those cameras were discovered in the last minute or
so of the episode right before the finale. I don't think that really
counts as something that was set up earlier.
burt...@hotmail.com
The key word there is "guessed." There wasn't one shred of evidence
that pointed to Aaron as the killer before the tapes were found. Is it
'evidence' that Aaron beat Logan and beat up Trina's boyfriend? No,
those were things that defined his character, but they didn't tie him
to Lilly Kane. The *only* thing that did that were the tapes, and they
weren't discovered until the finale.
There was no part of the Aaron Echolls solution that related to the
clues discovered over the course of the season. As someone else noted
at the time the finale aired, if Veronica had found the tapes in
episode 2, she would have had just as much reason to suspect Aaron then
as she did in episode 22.
burt...@hotmail.com
The key word there is "guessed." There wasn't one shred of evidence
William December Starr
ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> said:
>> Actually, I agree with you a lot, but it started a few episodes
>> before the finale when they seemed to pull it from their butts
>> what with Veronica's discovery of the TV camera in
>> Logan's/Aaron's little passion pit.
>
> And when he pummeled Willow's boyfriend.
Of course, that was sort of hidden in plain sight -- we (some of
us anyway (me)) were too busy cheering him on because the punk
_deserved_ it so much that we didn't really stop to think what it
said about Aaron. Plus there was the "Well, it _is_ his daughter
that he's avenging/protecting" element to partially excuse the
viciousness of it.
--
William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>