ANDROMEDANS to TREKKERS: Ours is Bigger
KalElFan
* Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
* Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
* Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
the Federation has.
* Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
* Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
* Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
and multi-purpose!
* Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
* Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
* Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
* Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
too. About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
[I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
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Bryan Lambert
>Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
You know, at least Heagy had the common decency [1] to keep his
Freudian prosletyzing to subtext.
[1] Read as "fundamental inability"
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KalElFan <KalE...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
>
Travers Naran
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> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
OK, Robert, quit morphing and come out here and promote your show like the
cheap whore you are. :-)
> * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
Despite the inherent scale problems..
> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
Yeah, but jumpgates are bigger yet and can hold more things.
> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> the Federation has.
Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it. And a Shadow
vessel, well...
> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
Yeah, but nowhere near the half million humans and aliens all alone in the
dark...
> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
> * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> and multi-purpose!
Yeah, as I'm sure Beka Valentine will discover.
"Is that a High Guard staff in your pocket, Captain Hunt, or are you really
happy to see me?"
> * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
Not with those two-handed "clubs". He'd be a match for Kirk. As for
Janeway, my grandmother could kick her ass.
> * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
Up against a Narn bat squad?
> * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
Yeah, but that's why the Commonwealth fell apart. You know, the Year 100K
bug.
> * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
What about VIP? Oh, you mean *real* ones...
> All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
> too.
Bigger than Voyager's? Last I heard, the glowing white dot you see on your
TV set when you turn it off gets bigger ratings.
> About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
And just think of the Mary Sue fanfic she'll star in!
> [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
What? A dromedary on a life long Trek? :-)
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>
> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
Lovely satire of fan squabbling!
(Er, that *was* satire, wasn't it? ;-)
Of course, most of those points would put Babylon 5 ahead of Andromeda...
> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
Ships that can form their own jumpgates. Bigger 'cos they can then
bring other ships, asteroids, etc. along for the ride.
> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> the Federation has.
B5. Five miles long. 'Nuf said.
> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
A quarter million humans and aliens.
> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
Yeah, but the Vorlons weren't limited to forty when it comes to
destroying planets and solar systems, and Andromeda fired off all
of their nova bombs already.
> * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> and multi-purpose!
Wide variety of hand weapons.
> * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
But not Sheridan and Sinclair...
> * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
I disagree with that one in the first place! :P
> * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
Yeah, but those numbers are meaningless made-up numbers, while B5
actually has *dates*. Who knows when Andromeda is *really* set???
> * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
You get that point, and you are *welcome* to it. We'll take the
bigger brains, better plots, and cooler aliens.
[Hopefully written in the same spirit as the original post....anybody
else want to challenge for the title? How many series can we hit?? ;-)]
-Janet <dorn...@prairienet.org>
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vampire in WSWB, seting a standard for cruelty that Anita Blake wasn't
able to match until book 8 of her series." -William Ferguson, a.t.bvs
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retractable dildos.
Trek has large crews and main casts composed of talented actors,
Andromeda has a few rejects from Saved by the Bell The Next Generation
and the talented statue formerly known as Hercules before his show was
canned.
Star Trek has a vast universe known and beloved by millions,
Andromeda's head writer is a former Voyager reviewer (talk about
scraping the bottom of the barrel)
Star Trek's nemesis are the Borg, the Klingons and the Romulans.
Andromeda's nemesis is that guy who looks like that guy from Friends,
PimpWeasel 5000 and a fat vampire bat.
Star Trek has television's best multi-emmy winning special effects, set
and costume departments. Andromeda has a bunch of Wolfe's drunken
cousins puttering around with paper mache in their trailer.
Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, an ex-Trek writer whose show was
over created Andromeda and claims Gene Roddenberry created it.
There are Voyager episodes that look like they were written by homeless
crack addicts, Andromeda episodes actually are written by homeless
crack addicts.
Les Bonser
> First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LOL!
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> > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > the Federation has.
>
>
> >
> > * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
>
> 1400. Federation ships such as Excelsior, Galaxy, Sovereign and Akira
> classes, can hold twice that easily.
From www.startrek.com:
With a total of 42 decks, the U.S.S. Enterprise-D was twice
the length and had eight times the interior space of the
Constitution-class ships of over a century earlier; she
carried a combined crew and passenger load of about 1,012.
And the Sovereign class (Enterprise-E--the movie version) is somewhat
smaller (I think...).
Les
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> >
> > * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> > or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
>
> There's the tri-cobalt bombs from Voyager...
> >
> > * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> > and multi-purpose!
>
> And about the silliest things I've ever seen used as weapons in any SF.
> Hell, even the PPGs from B5 didn't look that goofy.
> >
> > * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> > Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
>
> It would be a stalemate.
>
> > * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> > would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
>
> Are you kidding? Worf would beat the SHIT out of Tyr Anasazi. The
> Klingons would make mincemeat out of the Nietzscheans; at least the
> Klingons have a sense of honor and duty, something which is completely
> foreign to the Nietzscheans who are just selfish arrogant assholes.
> >
> > * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> > The Commonwealths or whatever they are.
>
> Ever since TNG, stardates have been 5 digits...
>
> > And last but not least...
> >
> > * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> > pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
>
> I'll give you that one. :)
> >
> > All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
> > too. About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> > First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> > or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
> >
> > [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> > lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
>
> If you are a Trekker, you certainly don't show it.
>
> --
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works."
> - Gordon Gekko, 'Wall Street'
Les Bonser
"Janet Dornhoff, DVM" <dorn...@prairienet.org> wrote in message
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>
> > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > the Federation has.
>
>
Not a ship. (It's a space station... and even then, Niven's Ringworld is
still bigger!)
> [Hopefully written in the same spirit as the original post....anybody
> else want to challenge for the title? How many series can we hit?? ;-)]
Hope mine is taken in the same spirit... :-)
I'm really more of a comics fan and I say Superman can still whip the snot
out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort of...in the
future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read those Star
Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good measure and
the Man 'o Steel will still win!
<Well, okay, he might need Batman to lend a hand or two....But things would
get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all know
they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
Chris Applegate
sci-fi show. So, it is only fitting to compare it to Andromeda....
> * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
The XF conspiracy reaches from the highest offices of government to the
heart of every man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth. It involves
all known sentient races, and ranges across all of known settled space.
> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
Size doesn't matter, only speed. A Colonist ship, or an American rip-off (a
la Dreamland) travels at unimaginable speeds. "Once you've flown one, sex
feels trite."
> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> the Federation has.
How is something so big supposed to sneak into a planet's atmosphere and
abduct its inhabitants for genetic tests?
> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
XF "Crew" Complement: Two. And that's usually all they need.
> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
Any of those are fine for recklessly blasting a target to cinders. But what
if you want to *possess* a target? What if you want to possess an entire
*planet*? Several alien bounty hunters will get that job done.
> * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> and multi-purpose!
Mulder has 2 guns and an alien stiletto. A weapon cache doesn't get any
better than that.
> * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
Skinner would kick the snot out of any of them. Krycek could beat them with
one hand (Patient X, anyone?). Eugene Tooms, were he still alive, would eat
them for breakfast, then go back to bed. The Lone Gunmen would cancel their
credit cards and turn off their power before letting a woman beat them up.
The Great Yappi would present their biographies, taking events so far out of
context as to render them meaningless. Lord Kinbote ... well, if you've ever
seen Lord Kinbote, nothing needs to be said :)
> * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
XF's warrior race can *be* Klingons. They caused the disappearance of the
original Anasazi, and could quickly disappear any other group they deemed
dangerous.
> * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
Fight the Future: 30,000 BC. Five digits.
> * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
Who needs boobs when you have a redhead who can chase a mutant, perform an
autopsy, get abducted by aliens, impregnated, give birth, be rescued, and
discover a cure for an alien virus all in one day? And let's not forget Tea
Leoni as the ersatz Scully, or "Bambi" from War of the Coprophages.
> All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
> too. About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
Scully's partner isn't particularly pretty, I'll grant you that.
Chris
TROC
David B.
>
> Are we going to get an "Andromeda vs. White Star" thread going here?
Jeez, those fill in the blank versus White Star threads can go on
forever...let's not start one.
Nelson Lu
Les Bonser <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I'm really more of a comics fan and I say Superman can still whip the snot
>out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort of...in the
>future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read those Star
>Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
>Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good measure and
>the Man 'o Steel will still win!
Well, even Naomi Wildman can beat him, if she knew how to replicate some
kryptonite...
Robert Wolfe
Travers Naran <tna...@direct.ca> wrote this stuff >:
KalElFan did this >>
The rest is me.
>
> OK, Robert, quit morphing and come out here and promote your show like
> the cheap whore you are. :-)
Hardly cheap.
>
> > * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
>
> Despite the inherent scale problems..
Spanning, not controlling. Stupid fast ships means the Commonwealth's
communication problems were no worse than, say, the British Empire
at its height. Actually a good deal better.
>
> > * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
>
> Yeah, but jumpgates are bigger yet and can hold more things.
Yeah, but wee don neeed no steenkin jumpgates.
>
> > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > the Federation has.
>
> Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it. And a Shadow
> vessel, well...
Depends on whose universe they fought in. On its home ground (no
normal FTL movement, no FTL communcations or weapons),
the AA kicks ass. In our universe, all the ships you mentioned would
be nothing more than large and rather unwieldy pieces of abstract art.
Oh, and in a strategic war (not a tactical battle) the Commonwealth
cleans house with any of those losers.
"Excuse us while we instantaneously move our fleet a couple hundred
light years."
"Oops, sorry. Was that your capital planet's primary? Our bad."
"Want to see us do it again?"
> > * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
>
> Yeah, but nowhere near the half million humans and aliens all alone in the
> dark...
Wooosh. Maybe I'm just sleepy.
> > * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> > or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
>
> I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
Sun going boom > Planet going boom. Four of a kind > Two pairs.
You want to beat a Nova bomb, you gotta have a way to wipe out
an entire open cluster.
Luckily, as Andromeda states, the Commonwealth has never used
Nova Bombs in combat.
Honest.
No, we really mean it.
Look, just take our word for it. Why would we lie?
> > * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> > and multi-purpose!
>
> Yeah, as I'm sure Beka Valentine will discover.
>
> "Is that a High Guard staff in your pocket, Captain Hunt, or are you
really
> happy to see me?"
The Force Lance has many uses. You got a problem with that?
> > * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> > Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
>
> Not with those two-handed "clubs". He'd be a match for Kirk. As for
> Janeway, my grandmother could kick her ass.
Sisko (the reigning AssKickinSFCaptain) would give Dylan a good
fight in HtoH. Same height. Same reach. Dylan's stronger. Sisko
is more psychotic.
> > * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> > would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
>
> Up against a Narn bat squad?
Me no grok Narn bat squad. Bill Mumy? Probably something
I missed.
But lets imagine a fair fight between a gang of Nietzscheans and some
Narn/Kzinti/Klingons/whatever. Let's lay out the rules:
Eleven on eleven. Hand to hand only. Open field. High noon.
Limited cover.
The Whatevers show up at noon. Deploy in a skermish line.
Advance leapfrog toward the target area, using available
cover. Attempt to flank and isolate their opponents (except
the Klingons who just yell real loud and change).
The Nietzscheans (or rather, the lowest ranking Nietzschean) blow off
a couple dozen Claymores, which they set out the night before.
The Whatevers die. The low ranking Nietzschean goes home and
gets laid. The rest never got out of bed in the first place.
"Hey, wait!" you exclaim. "They cheated."
Like, duh.
> > * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> > The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
>
> Yeah, but that's why the Commonwealth fell apart. You know, the Year
>100K bug.
Just the year 10K bug. The 100K bug is much nastier.
> > * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> > pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
>
> What about VIP? Oh, you mean *real* ones...
I ain't even going there.
> > About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> > First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> > or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
About an inch taller than Kira; maybe two. But, yeah.
> > [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> > lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
>
> What? A dromedary on a life long Trek? :-)
=)
Robert Wolfe
Les Bonser <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> "Brian Barjenbruch" <bri...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:brianb1-9CE994.22003117102000@news...
> > > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > > the Federation has.
> >
> > That's debatable.
> >
> > >
> > > * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
> >
> > Now that is simply wrong. Andromeda's crew complement is only about
> > 1400. Federation ships such as Excelsior, Galaxy, Sovereign and Akira
> > classes, can hold twice that easily.
>
> From www.startrek.com:
>
> With a total of 42 decks, the U.S.S. Enterprise-D was twice
> the length and had eight times the interior space of the
> Constitution-class ships of over a century earlier; she
> carried a combined crew and passenger load of about 1,012.
>
> And the Sovereign class (Enterprise-E--the movie version) is somewhat
> smaller (I think...).
Andromeda's full crew complement (including Lancers and fighter pilots)
is around 4000. In a pinch, she can carry about 10,000 additional people,
but she'd have to rig up like the Queen Mary during WWII.
Robert Wolfe
> I'm really more of a comics fan and I say Superman can still whip the snot
> out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort of...in the
> future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read those Star
> Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
> Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good measure
and
> the Man 'o Steel will still win!
My money's on Mighty Mouse, baby.
> <Well, okay, he might need Batman to lend a hand or two....But things
would
> get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all know
> they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
As a totally unbiased observer, if we're talking strictly captains, and
our basic yardstick is kicking the snot out of people, Sisko is the
baddest badass of any of them. He has that whole psychotic thing
going for him that the others lack.
And Kira was _way_ tougher than Mr. G or Ms. I., again, speaking
strictly from a bashing people upside the head until they bleed
perspective.
Just one chimp's point of view. Your buttkicking may vary.
David Cornette
> Not a ship. (It's a space station... and even then, Niven's Ringworld is
> still bigger!)
This reminds me of one time in fifth grade. We were drawing spaceships.
Big spaceships. One guy drew his and said that his was the size of Rhode
Island, and so forth. I drew a spaceship that filled most of the piece of
paper. Then I drew a few smaller ships around it, as part of its fleet.
Then I a lot of very small ships, ships that were so small that they were
just dots. I then declared that the dot-spaceships were in fact a million
times the size of the galaxy. Mine was the largest.
--
David Cornette dcor...@isilzha.ne.mediaone.net
Don't waste another year. Fire Jimy!
Baseball pythagorean projections http://www.davidcornette.com/projection/
Les Bonser
"Robert Wolfe" <robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Les Bonser <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>
snot
> > out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort of...in
the
> > future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read those
Star
> > Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
> > Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good measure
> and
> > the Man 'o Steel will still win!
>
>
> would
> > get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all
know
> > they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
>
> our basic yardstick is kicking the snot out of people, Sisko is the
> baddest badass of any of them. He has that whole psychotic thing
> going for him that the others lack.
Yeah, didn't Sisko actually *strike* Q--something none of the other captains
ever even considered?
> And Kira was _way_ tougher than Mr. G or Ms. I., again, speaking
> strictly from a bashing people upside the head until they bleed
> perspective.
OOOh, I got one: Kira vs. Ivanova. Talk about a catfight! ;-)
Gharlane of Eddore
>
> Yeah, but the Vorlons weren't limited to forty when it comes to
> destroying planets and solar systems, and Andromeda fired off all
> of their nova bombs already.
>
Like the Commonwealth and the High Guard wouldn't have a few
super-secret munitions dumps salted away around the galaxies,
where a major ship of the line can re-provision itself?
I'm sure we'll see the nova bombs again at some point.
Gharlane of Eddore
Brian Barjenbruch <bri...@home.com> writes:
>
>I read a mega-comic once in which Superman fought Muhammad Ali and got
>the shit kicked out of him. The fight was on a planet orbited by a red
>sun. Without his superpowers, Supes was no match for Ali!
>
A *PLANET* "orbited by a red sun."
You are Unclear On The Concept.
Please read a book.
ar...@ix.netcom.com
Sheridan.
All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
fired!
Lynne Hardy
ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote in article
<39ed9f8...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
I always hated that bit of B5. It was sooo much of a let down after all
the great build up to the Shadow war. Funnily enough, it was not long after
that i stopped watching.
Lynne
Michael Hayden
[deletia]
Okay, that's it, I declare you to be a troll.
Normally a post like this would pass as a weak-but-amusing bit of satire,
but from the rest of your posts I think you're absolutely serious, so...
*plonk*
David Patrick
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> Sheridan.
> All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> fired!
Well, wouldn't you?
David Patrick
David Patrick
On 18 Oct 2000, Lynne Hardy wrote:
> ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote in article
> <39ed9f8...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...
> > The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> > Sheridan.
> > All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> > the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> > fired!
> >
> I always hated that bit of B5. It was sooo much of a let down after all
> the great build up to the Shadow war. Funnily enough, it was not long after
> that i stopped watching.
>
> Lynne
How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
wrapped up?
David Patrick
Walt
his loincloth flapped up. So, I can't say if he is bigger
or not. :)
KalElFan
dorn...@prairienet.org wrote:
> Lovely satire of fan squabbling!
>
> (Er, that *was* satire, wasn't it? ;-)
Tongue-in-cheek at least, and all but a couple of people
seem to have taken it that way. :-)
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> (the date given in the pilot--the year 11-thousand-something--is almost
> certainly not Earth date).
No, it's not. Go check out the offical web sites associated with the show
(among them: www.allsystems.org). The dates are the years of the
Commonwealth, which grew out of the Verdian Empire. Earth joined in the
Commonwealth Year 7085. There's no reference exactly to what year that was
on Earth, but there is a reference to Friederich Nietzsche publishing his
work "Thus Spake Zarathustra," (TSZ) in Commonwealth Year 6811. (This work
apparently became the source of the Nietzscheans' philosophy.)
My copy of Encarta says that Nietzche died in 1900. It says he finished the
last part of TSZ in 1885. A little simply math (7085-6811=274;
1885+274=2159) tells us that Earth joined the Commonwealth in 2159 Earth
Time (ET). So, if Hunt went into the black hole at something like CY 11,000
and was there for 300 years subjective time, it's now CY 11,300. Current ET
is 6374. (11,300 - 7085=4,215; 2159+4215=6374)
William December Starr
"Robert Wolfe" <robert...@worldnet.att.net> said:
>> I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
>
> Sun going boom > Planet going boom. Four of a kind > Two pairs.
> You want to beat a Nova bomb, you gotta have a way to wipe out
> an entire open cluster.
>
> Luckily, as Andromeda states, the Commonwealth has never used
> Nova Bombs in combat.
>
> Honest.
>
> No, we really mean it.
>
> Look, just take our word for it. Why would we lie?
Now damnit, why isn't _this_, well, sense of *attitude* (for lack of a
better term) showing through in the show's writing? Did the scripts for
"Under the Night" and "An Affirming Flame" get run through a Blandifier
before filming began?
Incidentally, it _would_ be amusing if, over the course of the first
season Dylan Hunt went through a horrible process of disillusionment,
coming across case after case of Commonwealth corruption, incompetence,
sloth and plain old evil that were all well covered up during the his
time but have come out into the open during three hundred post-
Commonwealth years...
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
William December Starr
David Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> said:
>> I always hated that bit of B5. It was sooo much of a let down after
>> all the great build up to the Shadow war. Funnily enough, it was not
>> long after that i stopped watching. [Lynne Hardy]
>
> How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
> wrapped up?
I think an acceptable answer to that query is "Better." The fact that
_I_ can't think of a good way to resolve a situation doesn't excuse the
failure of the storyteller who created the situation to do so.
Or to put it another way, if Straczynski couldn't think up a good way to
get out of that corner, he never should have written himself into it in
the first place.
Obsidian
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> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:04:31 GMT, ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> >The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> >Sheridan.
> >All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> >the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> >fired!
>
> to remote pilot a White Star (with armed mines aboard) to come
> crashing down almost on top of his position, then takes a swan dive
> into an abyss to avoid the blast....and then later returns home to
> tell about it. Top that one Hunt. ;-)
He killed Zues :P
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j.lockyear
butt ( I bet yoiu thought I was going to swear didnt you?) in all
catergories.
"KalElFan" <KalE...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
>
> * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
>
> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
>
> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> the Federation has.
>
> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
>
> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
>
> * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> and multi-purpose!
>
> * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
>
> * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
>
> * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
>
> * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
>
> All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
> too. About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
>
> [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
>
Skyf Kentry
1014 member crew on board. Also, yesterdays enterprise was an alternate
universe thingie and can't be used for comparison. BTW, a sovereign is
longer. The excelsior was probably carrying extra troops bec of the war.
> > With a total of 42 decks, the U.S.S. Enterprise-D was twice
> > the length and had eight times the interior space of the
> > Constitution-class ships of over a century earlier; she
> > carried a combined crew and passenger load of about 1,012.
>
> In "Yesterday's Enterprise" we learn that a Galaxy-class ship can hold
> over 6,000 Marines. And in one late DS9 episode, an Excelsior-class
> ship is destroyed, resulting in the deaths of its 2,000-plus crew...
Skyf Kentry
fourth. She could slag 'em all just by making that speech.
> As a totally unbiased observer, if we're talking strictly captains, and
> our basic yardstick is kicking the snot out of people, Sisko is the
> baddest badass of any of them. He has that whole psychotic thing
> going for him that the others lack.
>
> And Kira was _way_ tougher than Mr. G or Ms. I., again, speaking
> strictly from a bashing people upside the head until they bleed
> perspective.
>
Skyf Kentry
on, and Sheridan wouldn't say get the hell out of *your* galaxy.
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Invid Fan
<ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
Or the writers were :)
> Please read a book.
He did. It just wasn't a good one ^_^
--
Chris Mack "Never let two artists marry! Always push the
'Invid Fan' painter down the well! GRR! I CAN'T FORGET!"
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bekava...@my-deja.com
0d...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Trek's weapons look like dustbusters, Andromeda's weapons look like
> retractable dildos.
What can I say? We'd rather play house than clean house.
>
> Trek has large crews and main casts composed of talented actors,
> Andromeda has a few rejects from Saved by the Bell The Next Generation
> and the talented statue formerly known as Hercules before his show was
> canned.
Only Rev Bem used to be on Saved by the Bell. But there was this
drunken party after the Big Game and he accidentally impregnated the
cheerleading squad and, oh, it was terrible...
>
> Star Trek has a vast universe known and beloved by millions,
> Andromeda's head writer is a former Voyager reviewer (talk about
> scraping the bottom of the barrel)
Actually, our junior writer reviewed Voyager episodes. Our head writer
is this strange monkey-like creature who used to ook... I mean work...
at Deep Space Nine.
>
> Star Trek's nemesis are the Borg, the Klingons and the Romulans.
> Andromeda's nemesis is that guy who looks like that guy from Friends,
> PimpWeasel 5000 and a fat vampire bat.
"Nemesis"? Singular? Oh, baby, have we got a mean and nasty Universe
waiting for you...
>
> Star Trek has television's best multi-emmy winning special effects,
set
> and costume departments. Andromeda has a bunch of Wolfe's drunken
> cousins puttering around with paper mache in their trailer.
Not any more. The repo bozos came for the trailer. Clem and Cletus
are making the papier mache down by the old barn now.
>
> Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, an ex-Trek writer whose show was
> over created Andromeda and claims Gene Roddenberry created it.
No no no. It was the monkeys in the basement with the Underwoods. We
keep telling you. I don't know how GR's name got on it. Some vast
conspiracy, no doubt.
>
> There are Voyager episodes that look like they were written by
homeless
> crack addicts, Andromeda episodes actually are written by homeless
> crack addicts.
That is SO not true! I rented a place just last week. It has hot and
cold running water... okay, it has cold running water... and there's
even an outhouse. Clem and Cletus decorated it for me with papier
mache....
>
Vienna Leather
Executive Story Monkey
Pål Are Nordal
>
> How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
> wrapped up?
Nova bombs?
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>
> "Janet Dornhoff, DVM" <dorn...@prairienet.org> wrote in message
> news:39ED248E...@prairienet.org...
> >
> > > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > > the Federation has.
> >
>
> Not a ship. (It's a space station... and even then, Niven's Ringworld is
> still bigger!)
The Explorer class. 5 km long.
Of course, there's always Babylon 4, which was twice the size of B5,
with engines allowing it to move.
> <Well, okay, he might need Batman to lend a hand or two....But things would
> get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all know
> they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
Everybody's forgetting Gideon, who was prone to cheating, and had a
little box that /knew things/.
Les Bonser
families...more of a warship than an explorer/science ship.
Les
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"Skyf Kentry" <sk...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Jim Phillips
> What you have all seem to have overlooked is the excaliber - which kicks
> butt ( I bet yoiu thought I was going to swear didnt you?) in all
> catergories.
Especially the really important one: Most Obviously Penis-Shaped
(not to mention having a big gun that shoots one really big wad but then
has to rest a while--wonder where that idea came from???).
snip
--
Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
"The trick is to inspire wonder without being too heavy-handed, so
the atheists won't feel left out." -- God
Friar Chuck
wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, j.lockyear wrote:
>
>> What you have all seem to have overlooked is the excaliber - which kicks
>> butt ( I bet yoiu thought I was going to swear didnt you?) in all
>> catergories.
>
> Especially the really important one: Most Obviously Penis-Shaped
>(not to mention having a big gun that shoots one really big wad but then
>has to rest a while--wonder where that idea came from???).
>
>snip
Why Space Cruiser Yamatto of course.
FC
Tom Thatcher
>Star Trek's nemesis are the Borg, the Klingons and the Romulans.
>Andromeda's nemesis is that guy who looks like that guy from Friends,
>PimpWeasel 5000 and a fat vampire bat.
And the chief bad guys on the first 3 Star Trek episodes (the two pilots
and the first aired episode) were, in order, big-headed aliens who
live in their own dreams; a crewman turned insane and telepathic by
the energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy, and a hypnotci salt-
eating monster.
So far, Rommie's ahead on that score.
--
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University of Rochester Cancer Center
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recook77
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> "KalElFan" <KalE...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:8sinfn$ifo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
>
> cheap whore you are. :-)
First you say Bewf Thaxton is whacking off to your messages and now this.
Travers, are you sure Usenet is a safe place to go cruising?
*ducks and runs*
>
> > * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
>
> Despite the inherent scale problems..
Yeah. . .three galaxies must weigh a lot!
>
> > * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
>
> Yeah, but jumpgates are bigger yet and can hold more things.
>
Well, jumping through gates sounds like fun, but I'm more of a wormhole goil
myself.
> > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > the Federation has.
>
> Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it. And a Shadow
> vessel, well...
>
> > * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
>
> Yeah, but nowhere near the half million humans and aliens all alone in the
> dark...
Well, it's their own damn fault they didn't pay their electric bill.
>
> > * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> > or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
>
> I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
C'mon. Isn't using Nova bombs to get rid of weeds a little extreme? Oh,
wait. I misread. I thought you said *plant* killer. . .
>
> > * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> > and multi-purpose!
>
> Yeah, as I'm sure Beka Valentine will discover.
>
Delenn's gonna be soooooooooooo jealous.
Seriously, I'm reminded of the Thundercats' Liono and his expanding sword:
"Thunder. . .thunder. . .THUNDERCATS! HOOOOOO!" The X-rated parody,
"Thunderthighs," is imminent.
(snip)
>
> > * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> > Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
>
> Not with those two-handed "clubs". He'd be a match for Kirk. As for
> Janeway, my grandmother could kick her ass.
Picard, meanwhile, seems to have one of Hunt's weapon rods stuck up his
hiney, judging from the way he walks and talks.
Now Sisko would've given Hunt a real workout.
(snip)
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always on time."
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Tom Thatcher
>In article <8sj7uc$veo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>> Star Trek has television's best multi-emmy winning special effects,
>set
>> and costume departments. Andromeda has a bunch of Wolfe's drunken
>> cousins puttering around with paper mache in their trailer.
>Not any more. The repo bozos came for the trailer. Clem and Cletus
>are making the papier mache down by the old barn now.
I thought Al took it back for his Secret Service detail.
>> Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, an ex-Trek writer whose show was
>> over created Andromeda and claims Gene Roddenberry created it.
>No no no. It was the monkeys in the basement with the Underwoods. We
>keep telling you. I don't know how GR's name got on it. Some vast
>conspiracy, no doubt.
Considering GR's track record (absent massive help from Sam Peeples,
DC Fontana, Gene Coon, and others), this is not necessarily a bad thing.
>That is SO not true! I rented a place just last week. It has hot and
>cold running water... okay, it has cold running water... and there's
>even an outhouse. Clem and Cletus decorated it for me with papier
>mache....
Yes, but what did they use to wet the paper?
>Vienna Leather
>Executive Story Monkey
Great heavens, she not only flogs her work product, she actually
reads the other articles. That puts Andromeda two steps further
ahead of Voyager (Lisa Klink, anyone?)
You better be saving your best writing for the show. Now that we've
gotten past the pilot and all that windy exposition, this puppy should
really fly.
Travers Naran
TN> the cheap whore you are. :-)
>
> Hardly cheap.
Oh, yeah. You're in Vancouver these days. Sex capital of North America.
You'd have to raise your rates or you'd be kicked out of the union. :-)
> > > * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
> >
> > Despite the inherent scale problems..
>
> Spanning, not controlling. Stupid fast ships means the Commonwealth's
> communication problems were no worse than, say, the British Empire
> at its height. Actually a good deal better.
And thus its fragmentation...
> > > * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
> >
> > Yeah, but jumpgates are bigger yet and can hold more things.
>
> Yeah, but wee don neeed no steenkin jumpgates.
You haven't seen what a *steeenkin* jumpgate can do to when you open a
jumpoint on top of one.
> > > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > > the Federation has.
> >
> > Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it. And a Shadow
> > vessel, well...
>
> Depends on whose universe they fought in. On its home ground (no
> normal FTL movement, no FTL communcations or weapons),
> the AA kicks ass. In our universe, all the ships you mentioned would
> be nothing more than large and rather unwieldy pieces of abstract art.
Actually, the Shadow ship can still slice-and-dice...
> Oh, and in a strategic war (not a tactical battle) the Commonwealth
> cleans house with any of those losers.
>
> "Excuse us while we instantaneously move our fleet a couple hundred
> light years."
>
> "Oops, sorry. Was that your capital planet's primary? Our bad."
>
> "Want to see us do it again?"
"Lucy, you got some 'splaining to do!"
This better be explained in series why the Commonwealth got its butt kicked
by a small portion of its population.
Anyway, John Sheridan. A white star. A very deep hole. The Commonwealth
couldn't stand a chance. :-)
> > > * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
> >
> > Yeah, but nowhere near the half million humans and aliens all alone in
the
> > dark...
>
> Wooosh. Maybe I'm just sleepy.
The description given in the opening monolog of B5.
> > > * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> > > or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
> >
> > I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
>
> Sun going boom > Planet going boom. Four of a kind > Two pairs.
> You want to beat a Nova bomb, you gotta have a way to wipe out
> an entire open cluster.
I forgive your ignorance. You haven't seen it work. :-)
> Luckily, as Andromeda states, the Commonwealth has never used
> Nova Bombs in combat.
>
> Honest.
>
> No, we really mean it.
>
> Look, just take our word for it. Why would we lie?
"Quick, to the dungeons with him!"
Yeah, I'm waiting for you to explain that because it occured to me when
reading through the backgrounder many months ago: "How do you test a Nova
bomb without blowing up a star? Wouldn't people get awfully -- Oh, I see!"
> > > * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> > > and multi-purpose!
> >
> > Yeah, as I'm sure Beka Valentine will discover.
> >
> > "Is that a High Guard staff in your pocket, Captain Hunt, or are you
> really
> > happy to see me?"
>
> The Force Lance has many uses. You got a problem with that?
No, not at all. Can we watch? :-)
> Sisko (the reigning AssKickinSFCaptain) would give Dylan a good
> fight in HtoH. Same height. Same reach. Dylan's stronger. Sisko
> is more psychotic.
I can just see him doing the "bezerker" thing. Dylan turns his staff
towards Sisko and *zap*.
> > > * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> > > would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
> >
> > Up against a Narn bat squad?
>
> Me no grok Narn bat squad. Bill Mumy? Probably something
> I missed.
Yup, it's a B5 thing.
> Eleven on eleven. Hand to hand only. Open field. High noon.
> Limited cover.
>
> The Whatevers show up at noon. Deploy in a skermish line.
> Advance leapfrog toward the target area, using available
> cover. Attempt to flank and isolate their opponents (except
> the Klingons who just yell real loud and change).
>
> The Nietzscheans (or rather, the lowest ranking Nietzschean) blow off
> a couple dozen Claymores, which they set out the night before.
> The Whatevers die. The low ranking Nietzschean goes home and
> gets laid. The rest never got out of bed in the first place.
>
> "Hey, wait!" you exclaim. "They cheated."
>
> Like, duh.
You don't understand Narns. You blow off an arm, it makes them *angrier*.
You wouldn't like the Narn when they're angry. You also have TENS OF
THOUSANDS of them. They'd never bring only *eleven*. They cheat too. :-)
> > > * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> > > The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
> >
> > Yeah, but that's why the Commonwealth fell apart. You know, the Year
> >100K bug.
>
> Just the year 10K bug. The 100K bug is much nastier.
Those legacy COBOL programs brought down an empire spanning three galaxies.
I knew it.
> > > * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> > > pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
> >
> > What about VIP? Oh, you mean *real* ones...
>
> I ain't even going there.
Into the -- ahem -- Valley of the Shadow of Silicon?
> > > [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> > > lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
> >
> > What? A dromedary on a life long Trek? :-)
>
> =)
I'll take that as a blessing: Andromedaries they are
Travers Naran
news:8sku7e$pmi$1...@panix6.panix.com...
> In article <5TbH5.1808$Zd1.1...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Robert Wolfe" <robert...@worldnet.att.net> said:
>
> >
> > Sun going boom > Planet going boom. Four of a kind > Two pairs.
> > You want to beat a Nova bomb, you gotta have a way to wipe out
> > an entire open cluster.
> >
> > Nova Bombs in combat.
> >
> > Honest.
> >
> > No, we really mean it.
> >
> > Look, just take our word for it. Why would we lie?
>
> better term) showing through in the show's writing? Did the scripts for
> "Under the Night" and "An Affirming Flame" get run through a Blandifier
> before filming began?
I think he knows by now.
> Incidentally, it _would_ be amusing if, over the course of the first
> season Dylan Hunt went through a horrible process of disillusionment,
> coming across case after case of Commonwealth corruption, incompetence,
> sloth and plain old evil that were all well covered up during the his
> time but have come out into the open during three hundred post-
> Commonwealth years...
What makes you so sure that isn't the *real* premise of the series? :-)
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Travers Naran: Computer Programmer & P/T Meddler In Time & Space
New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada, North America, Earth, yada, yada
"Stand back! I'm a Programmer!"
Travers Naran
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> Travers Naran <tna...@direct.ca> wrote in message
> news:Xc8H5.13760$Mg1.7...@brie.direct.ca...
> > "KalElFan" <KalE...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:8sinfn$ifo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > > Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
> >
> > cheap whore you are. :-)
>
>
> Travers, are you sure Usenet is a safe place to go cruising?
Of course it is! Just avoid the tranvestites, the pervs, the fetishists,
the big burly guys carying Louisville Sluggers saying they're nine year old
girls...
> *ducks and runs*
... right into a minefield. Oh, such a mess. Anybody know where Rev Bem
is? :-)
Travers Naran
Some Writer Person wrote:
>Vienna Leather
>Executive Story Monkey
You're just encouraging Gharlane to add you to his harem...
"Tom Thatcher" <tt...@mail1.ats.rochester.edu> wrote in message
> Great heavens, she not only flogs her work product, she actually
> reads the other articles. That puts Andromeda two steps further
> ahead of Voyager (Lisa Klink, anyone?)
To be fair, third graders regularly outwrite the folks on Voyager.
> You better be saving your best writing for the show. Now that we've
> gotten past the pilot and all that windy exposition, this puppy should
> really fly.
Right into a black hole?
*ducks and runs*
Travers Naran
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> On 18 Oct 2000 15:38:22 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
> Starr) wrote:
>
> >Incidentally, it _would_ be amusing if, over the course of the first
> >season Dylan Hunt went through a horrible process of disillusionment,
> >coming across case after case of Commonwealth corruption, incompetence,
> >sloth and plain old evil that were all well covered up during the his
> >time but have come out into the open during three hundred post-
> >Commonwealth years...
>
> effort over the course of 300 years to re-write history to their
> benefit.
<story idea deleted]
With any luck, RHW has those episodes filmed and in the can. Your post is
practically a story idea which could put RHW in an uncomfortable position.
At any rate, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with his Universe
background.
[Did Travers say that? It must be the cold medication]
Travers Naran
> Despite the inherent scale problems..
"David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
> What inherent scale problem?
Look up some numbers on the sizes of the nearby galaxies and their distances
from each other. Plot them, TO SCALE, on a very large sheet of paper, large
enough to show the Milky Way about the size of a quarter. See the problem?
If not, now on a separate sheet of large paper, draw the Earth as a pencil
dot and try to draw the Milky Way to scale. Then imagine the distances and
VOLUME of space involved.
The Universe: it's a big place.
[Unless RHW is concidering the Magellenic clouds as galaxies...]
> Um...the Nova Bombs win. Much more quick and compact. Good thing
> they threw them all away.
Not all the Nova Bombs in the Universe has been thrown away...
Travers Naran
> > And may I remind you, good sir, of the final battle
> > between the Shadows, Vorlons, and B5 forces? Beat that, if you can.
>
> Battle? What battle? There wasn't any! Sheridan tells them to go away
> with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
> They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
> aliens DO!
And you are why SFTV sucks. With that attitude, why should any SF producer
do anything smart with their shows?
Want to see a more interesting alien reaction to humans? Read "Deepness in
the Sky" by Vernor Vinge. Probably not the best example, but it is the most
readily available example I can think of (recently published, large run,
"big name" SF author -- most of your Big Box bookstores will carry it).
[If you disagree, PLEASE feel free to add more]
Pål Are Nordal
>
> Travers Naran <tna...@direct.ca> wrote this stuff >:
>
> > > * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> > > the Federation has.
> >
> > Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it. And a Shadow
> > vessel, well...
>
> Depends on whose universe they fought in. On its home ground (no
> normal FTL movement, no FTL communcations or weapons),
> the AA kicks ass. In our universe, all the ships you mentioned would
> be nothing more than large and rather unwieldy pieces of abstract art.
>
> cleans house with any of those losers.
>
> "Excuse us while we instantaneously move our fleet a couple hundred
> light years."
The Shadow portal the Drakh used in "A Call to Arms" seemed pretty
instantateus to me.
> > > * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> > > or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
> >
> > I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
>
> Sun going boom > Planet going boom. Four of a kind > Two pairs.
> You want to beat a Nova bomb, you gotta have a way to wipe out
> an entire open cluster.
Well, you could also open jumpgates inside a star or two...
> > > * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> > > Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
> >
> > Not with those two-handed "clubs". He'd be a match for Kirk. As for
> > Janeway, my grandmother could kick her ass.
>
> Sisko (the reigning AssKickinSFCaptain) would give Dylan a good
> fight in HtoH. Same height. Same reach. Dylan's stronger. Sisko
> is more psychotic.
There's also Mathew Gideon. He cheats.
> > > * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> > > would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
> >
> > Up against a Narn bat squad?
>
> Me no grok Narn bat squad. Bill Mumy? Probably something
> I missed.
http://members.aol.com/rastb5mod/batsquad.html
> But lets imagine a fair fight between a gang of Nietzscheans and some
> Narn/Kzinti/Klingons/whatever. Let's lay out the rules:
[...]
> "Hey, wait!" you exclaim. "They cheated."
>
> Like, duh.
Sounds like a good match for the Drazi to me.
Les Bonser
> In article <QkoH5.1073$TO4....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Skyf Kentry" <sk...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Right about Sisko, at least until Ivanova got promoted at the end of the
> > fourth. She could slag 'em all just by making that speech.
>
But they were such GOOD speeches!
David Johnston
wrote:
>"KalElFan" <KalE...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:8sinfn$ifo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
>
>OK, Robert, quit morphing and come out here and promote your show like the
>cheap whore you are. :-)
>
>> * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
>
>Despite the inherent scale problems..
What inherent scale problem?
>
>> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
>
>Yeah, but jumpgates are bigger yet and can hold more things.
>
>> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
>> the Federation has.
>
>Yeah, but just think how the Borg would slice and dice it.
At the rate the the Borg are declining, I doubt they're up to the
job any more.
And a Shadow
>vessel, well...
>
>> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
>
>Yeah, but nowhere near the half million humans and aliens all alone in the
>dark...
>
>> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
>> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
>
>I see your Nova Bombs with the Shadows' planet killer.
Um...the Nova Bombs win. Much more quick and compact. Good thing
Skyf Kentry
exception of FC). And may I remind you, good sir, of the final battle
between the Shadows, Vorlons, and B5 forces? Beat that, if you can.
Brian Barjenbruch <bri...@home.com> wrote in message
news:brianb1-4035C4.16223818102000@news...
> In article <QkoH5.1073$TO4....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Skyf Kentry" <sk...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Right about Sisko, at least until Ivanova got promoted at the end of the
> > fourth. She could slag 'em all just by making that speech.
>
> That's all any character on B5 ever *did*--make speeches... :)
>
> --
> "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed
works."
> - Gordon Gekko, 'Wall Street'
Geoduck
>On 18 Oct 2000 15:38:22 -0400, wds...@panix.com (William December
>Starr) wrote:
>
>>Incidentally, it _would_ be amusing if, over the course of the first
>>season Dylan Hunt went through a horrible process of disillusionment,
>>coming across case after case of Commonwealth corruption, incompetence,
>>sloth and plain old evil that were all well covered up during the his
>>time but have come out into the open during three hundred post-
>>Commonwealth years...
>
>Even more amusing would have been if the Nietzscheans had made a broad
>effort over the course of 300 years to re-write history to their
>benefit. To paint themselves as the "good guys" who were just minding
>their own business when the evil, ruthless, and barbaric Highguard
>launched a suprise attack on them. Would make it an interesting
>challenge for Hunt to rebuild the Commonwealth when the ships he
>encounters and people on planets he happens to meet run at the first
>sight of a Highguard starship or officer.
And, heck, after a couple-three generations, it wouldn't even be a lie
to the Nietzscheans anymore; they'd believe what their history books
said...
--
Geoduck
http://www.olywa.net/cook
0d...@my-deja.com
shot episodes. TOS's bad guys were the Klingons and the Romulans.
Andromeda's bad guys are giant vampire bats and Lenny Kravtiz and
unlike the big headed people they're not going away after the first
three episodes.
And best of all Andromeda has TOS quality effects and makeup. So was
Gene Roddenberry really ahead of his time or is Wolfe really behind his?
> And the chief bad guys on the first 3 Star Trek episodes (the two
pilots
> and the first aired episode) were, in order, big-headed aliens who
> live in their own dreams; a crewman turned insane and telepathic by
> the energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy, and a hypnotci salt-
> eating monster.
>
> So far, Rommie's ahead on that score.
>
> --
> Tom Thatcher
> University of Rochester Cancer Center
> tt...@mail.rochester.edu
>
Masked Man
<sk...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
|Their speeches were much cooler than any battle on any ST (with possible
|exception of FC). And may I remind you, good sir, of the final battle
|between the Shadows, Vorlons, and B5 forces? Beat that, if you can.
Masked Man------>Watching B5 was a lot like watching a baseball game.
Hour after hour of tedium interrupted occasionally for a few brief
seconds of excitement, often missed, or unappreciated because of
aforesaid tedium. Bo-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-i-i-i-i-n-n-n-n-g-g-g-g!!
--
Who was that masked man?
Masked Man
<robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
|My money's on Mighty Mouse, baby.
He-e-e-e-r-e I come to save the d-a-a-a-ay-y-y!
Masked Man
Starr) wrote:
|Incidentally, it _would_ be amusing if, over the course of the first
|season Dylan Hunt went through a horrible process of disillusionment,
Masked Man------>The lead character in this new series is Dylan Hunt??
Roddenberry must have had something about that name....There were two
Roddenberry characters of that name in Trek followups of the 70's.
The shows were Genesis II and a TV movie called Planet Earth. I
definitely remember seeing the first one, and being unimpressed.
What's the significance of the name?
David B.
>
> Les Bonser <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:M8aH5.1660$Zd1.1...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > I'm really more of a comics fan and I say Superman can still whip the snot
> > out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort of...in the
> > future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read those Star
> > Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
> > Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good measure
> and
> > the Man 'o Steel will still win!
>
> My money's on Mighty Mouse, baby.
>
> would
> > get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all know
> > they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
>
> our basic yardstick is kicking the snot out of people, Sisko is the
> baddest badass of any of them. He has that whole psychotic thing
> going for him that the others lack.
Sisko is Shaft, Hawk and Captain Kirk all rolled into one. That's why
he's so bad (as in bad ass).
David B.
>
> Their speeches were much cooler than any battle on any ST (with possible
> exception of FC).
Some B5 were long, boring and pompous.
David B.
>
> The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> Sheridan.
> All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> fired!
LOL. That was one of the lamest B5 scenes. I liked it better when Kirk
did it in "Day of the Dove".
David B.
>
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> > The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> > Sheridan.
> > All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> > the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> > fired!
>
>
> David Patrick
If I was a wuss...yeah.
KalElFan
"Les Bonser" <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Current [Earth Time] is 6374
Great analysis based on the Nietszche clue or frame of reference.
It does kind of reinforce the perception us onliners have that part
of the inspiration here is/was a "What If" the Federation were
destroyed premise. Andromeda has the luxury of being able to
tell that story, whereas Trek does not. Trek would lose a big chunk
of its fan base if it did. This story needed a fresh canvas, and I
think Wolfe and Trek and fans and everyone are better for it being
Andromeda.
The year 6374 does make it even more difficult to explain Harper's
20th century affinity though. It's not a few hundred years ago, it's
several thousand.
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Robert Wolfe
<ar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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> The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> Sheridan.
> All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> fired!
errrrrrr
I'm picturing Sheridan giving that speach (which I must admit
I've never actually seen/heard, just read about on Usenet) to
the Vedrans.
S: Get the hell out of our galaxy.
Vedran: No.
S: I really mean it. Go away.
V: What's that human expression? @#$% off.
S: Okay, um, please leave? I mean, it's our galaxy. It's
not your galaxy.
V: Okay, here's the thing. I'm really horny and frustrated.
There are, like, ten males of my species to every female,
and the only way I can get any action is to prove what
a badass I am. The thing of it is, we are really trying to
be reformed and only kill people when we're provoked.
I mean, we gave you people a constitution and an elected
government and all that crap. You think that would be
enough. But NOOOOOO. You have to start giving us
speaches. I hate speaches. And more importantly, I know
this really hot Vedran babe, and she really, really hates speaches.
And to make matters worse, now you've got me making one.
So, the way I see it, the only way I'm going to redeem myself
sufficiently in her eyes so that I can actually score is
to blow you up. I hope it doesn't ruin your day.
Large explosions ensue.
Heh.
A. Chimp
PS: Disclaimers:
1. The above is not meant to criticize B5, which, as noted
I didn't ever watch. I'm sure the original speach was
beautiful and moving and would have me running for my
very life.
2. The Vedran's dialogue is translated from Imperial High
Vedran. In the original, it was much more formal and
poetic, but I'm a snarky-ass translator, so deal with it.
3. In case you haven't figured it out, please apply the
following emoticons to every line of this post: <gr>
;) =P >=)
4. Can anyone explain to me why The Sports Network
in Canada shows pro-wrestling? Have they no shame?
5. The number of thy couting shall be three. Five is
right out. There is no five.
6. There's no six either. More along. Nothing to see
here.
7. Why are you still reading this? Why am I still writing
it? Why didn't that idiot know that Ninevah was the
capital of Assyria?
8. Is there caffiene in Echinachea tablets? Because I
took two of the damn things an hour ago and now I'm
hyperactive as hell.
9. Scaramouche, Scaramouche, can you do the fandango?
Richard Tibbetts
>I wrote, referring to the "Three Galaxies" size of the Commonwealth
>> Despite the inherent scale problems..
>
>"David Johnston" <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
>> What inherent scale problem?
>
>Look up some numbers on the sizes of the nearby galaxies and their distances
>from each other. Plot them, TO SCALE, on a very large sheet of paper, large
>enough to show the Milky Way about the size of a quarter. See the problem?
>
>If not, now on a separate sheet of large paper, draw the Earth as a pencil
>dot and try to draw the Milky Way to scale. Then imagine the distances and
>VOLUME of space involved.
>
>The Universe: it's a big place.
>
>[Unless RHW is concidering the Magellenic clouds as galaxies...]
[..]
AFAICT from the (http://www.allsystems.org/) website, the 3 galaxies
are:
Milky Way (including Greater Magellanic Cloud and Lesser Magellanic
Cloud), Andromeda (M31/NGC 224, presumably including *its* two
satellite galaxies, M32/NGC 221 and NGC 205) and "Triangulum Galaxy"
(presumably M33/NGC 598, spiral galaxy 3.6m ly away)
--
Richard Tibbetts
http://www.primepeace.ltd.uk/
David Patrick
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Jim Phillips wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, j.lockyear wrote:
>
> > What you have all seem to have overlooked is the excaliber - which kicks
> > butt ( I bet yoiu thought I was going to swear didnt you?) in all
> > catergories.
>
> Especially the really important one: Most Obviously Penis-Shaped
> (not to mention having a big gun that shoots one really big wad but then
> has to rest a while--wonder where that idea came from???).
The Excaliber is just a cheap knock-off of the Liberator which in Zen also
had the best ship computer ever.
David Patrick
Richard Tibbetts
WADR, a "cheap knock-off" of *anything* from B7 is surely beyond the
realms of economic feasibility. The only way to make the B7 sets
cheaper would have been to mime them!
fi...@my-deja.com
penetratingly insightful, and imbued with the appropriate dignity?
felix
j.lockyear
"Obsidian" <obs...@yesic.dontspamme.com> wrote in message
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>
> <sn...@someplace.com> wrote in message
> news:hf9rusc4bvlslv2jk...@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:04:31 GMT, ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> > >The Commonwealth would not stand a chance against any force lead by
> > >Sheridan.
> > >All Sheridan would have to say is "get the hell out of our galaxy" and
> > >the Commonweath forces would flee in terror without a shot being
> > >fired!
> >
> > Never mess with a guy who goes alone to the Shadow homeworld, proceeds
> > to remote pilot a White Star (with armed mines aboard) to come
> > crashing down almost on top of his position, then takes a swan dive
> > into an abyss to avoid the blast....and then later returns home to
> > tell about it. Top that one Hunt. ;-)
>
> He killed Zues :P
>
> --
> · Obsidian
> Forever grateful fan of Nobuo Uematsu & Yasunori Mitsuda.
> --
>
> The wild regrets, and the bloody sweats, none knew so well as I:
> For he who live more lives than one, more deaths than one must die.
> -Oscar Wilde
>
>
>
Tom Thatcher
>Those weren't the chief bad guys, they were one shot charachters in one
>shot episodes. TOS's bad guys were the Klingons and the Romulans.
>Andromeda's bad guys are giant vampire bats and Lenny Kravtiz and
>unlike the big headed people they're not going away after the first
>three episodes.
>
You missed my point entirely. We don't know who the chief baddies on
Andromeda will be; we've only seen the pilot. Just because the magog
and the Nietzcheans were the baddies 300 years ago doesn't mean they'll
continue to be the main source of conflict. So far we've seen one
magog missionary and one Nietzchean outcast mercenary. We don't know
what the rest of the universe looks like at this point.
Rob Wynne
> Besides, the idea of
>the victors rewriting history to their own benefit is an old one.
>Think even Picard mentions it in TNG Episode 37: Contagion.
All the way back to TNG? That *is* old. :)
"History is written by the victors"
--Napolean Bonaparte (1769-1821) [1]
Rob
[1] And I doubt seriously the idea originated with him.
--
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Rob Wynne
>>The Excaliber is just a cheap knock-off of the Liberator which in Zen also
>>had the best ship computer ever.
>WADR, a "cheap knock-off" of *anything* from B7 is surely beyond the
>realms of economic feasibility. The only way to make the B7 sets
>cheaper would have been to mime them!
And yet it was one of the best SF shows on television, ever. Why?
Stock footage of plastic model of spaceship: 6.50
Lefterover costuming from Dr. Who: 23.50
Transporting cameras out to a random quarry: 60.14
Most interesting characters and dialogue in
a SF TV show by miles and miles: priceless
Rob
KalElFan
<bri...@home.com> writes:
>I didn't get 6374 when I calculated it though. I'm assuming that
>Nietzsche published Also Sprach Zarathustra in 1885, and that
>Commonwealth years are equal to Earth years (if they're not, then it is
>impossible to calculate what Earth year it is). All other info is taken
>from www.allsystems.org (some examples):
>
>6811 (Commonwealth Year), 1885 (Earth Year):
> Nietzsche publishes A.S.Z.
I always hated auditing so I'm not going to go back and audit the
numbers you each came up with, but I gather you each came up
with a very high number in the 5 thousands or 6 thousands. And
it has to be that just based on the above, which gives you your
benchmark that CY = EY + 4926. In other words, *whatever*
the current Commonwealth Year is, subtract about 5000 to get
Earth Year if the years are the same. It would actually be a rather
contrived device to assume Earth joined a Commonwealth that
just happened to have the same year length, but for now let's
assume they're equal.
So if it's CY 11,000 and something, it has to be about EY 6,000
and something.
Vikash Shah ('Vik')
> > > pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
> >
> > What about VIP? Oh, you mean *real* ones...
>
> I ain't even going there.
Aww, Robert, you chicken! And I was really looking forward to the headlines:
"SCI-FI STAR DOIG SUES SERIES CREATOR FOLLOWING PUBLIC BOOB SLUR"
You're such a killjoy :)
From Vik
PS: Robert if you reply to this I'll wet myself with excitement at having
had my remarks read by such a celebrity and legend-in-the-making :)
Paul Harper
Thatcher) wrote:
>We don't know
>what the rest of the universe looks like at this point.
... and that in a very neat shell, covers why it's going to be
interesting over the next few weeks to watch the programme.
Hopefully, there won't be too many "stand alone" episodes, and some
sort of longer term arc will become clear, even if it's conclusion
isn't.
Paul.
--
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about every imaginable front. Never have so many jumped-up fanboys done so
little, with so much, for so long." JMS.
Jim Phillips
> > And may I remind you, good sir, of the final battle
> > between the Shadows, Vorlons, and B5 forces? Beat that, if you can.
>
> Battle? What battle? There wasn't any!
I guess we saw different episodes--I recall lots of ships blowing
up, people on both sides dying, etc.
Sheridan tells them to go away
> with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
Maybe if you had paid better attention, you would have noticed that
the old races talked the Shadows *and* Vorlons into leaving--all Sheridan's
melodramatic speechifying did was convince them that their time was past.
> They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
> aliens DO!
Aliens do exactly what humans would do under the same circumstances?
You have a strange definition of "alien"--or have you not read/seen any
science fiction/fantasy/sci-fi since the 1950's?
--
Jim Phillips, jphi...@bcpl.net
"The trick is to inspire wonder without being too heavy-handed, so
the atheists won't feel left out." -- God
D
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> Sisko is Shaft, Hawk and Captain Kirk all rolled into one. That's why
> he's so bad (as in bad ass).
Methinks Captain Hunt should pattern more like Paul Kersey (Charlie
Bronson).
Paul Harper
wrote:
>Battle? What battle? There wasn't any! Sheridan tells them to go away
>with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
>They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
>aliens DO!
Hmmm.
Methinks you missed the motivation of the Vorlons and Shadows in the
first place. It wasn't a battle of strength, but a battle of wills.
Once the unknowing third party (in this case the junior races,
including us) cottoned onto the battle, what's the point in continuing
it?
Think "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle" writ large.
And as for "That's what aliens do", I think you've OD'd on Trek and
other simplistic stuff.
Pål Are Nordal
>
> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.1001018161131.24545H-100000@suma3>,
> David Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> said:
> >
> > How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
> > wrapped up?
>
> I think an acceptable answer to that query is "Better." The fact that
> _I_ can't think of a good way to resolve a situation doesn't excuse the
> failure of the storyteller who created the situation to do so.
But what was so terrible about it? To me, it came as a logical
resolution to what had come before. The Vorlons and Shadows goals were
to guide the younger races... When they became aware of what was going
on, through Sheridan and Lorien, they refused to play anymore, and it
dawned on the Shadows and the Vorlons that there really wasn't any point
in continuing.
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Gharlane of Eddore
"Robert Wolfe" <robert...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
....<deletia>
>
> I'm picturing Sheridan giving that speach (which I must admit
>
>
> speaches. I hate speaches. And more importantly, I know
>
>
> this really hot Vedran babe, and she really, really hates speaches.
>
>
> I didn't ever watch. I'm sure the original speach was
>
>
> 8. Is there caffiene in Echinachea tablets? Because I
>
*NOW* I understand why the guy is working in Canada.... up there,
when you can't spell, no one notices.
For the record, Mister Brilliant Writer, Sir, there is no "a"
in the word "speech," even in the Benighted British Isles, where
they contrive to mis-spell a great many things.
And while we're at it, "Beka" spells a word which, using standard
English orthography, would be pronounced "beeeka."
If you want people to read it and pronounce it "beh-kuh" you need
to spell it as "Becka" or "Bekka" or even "Becca." ( I like
"Bekka" best, since it's a hugely nonstandard spelling. )
How soon may we expect to see the credits and P.R. material corrected
to reflect this?
( I swear. Give a chimp a tripewriter, and he thinks he can write. )
OBSP: "SPEECH." "CAFFEINE." "ECHINACEA."
*mutter*
Richard Tibbetts
>On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:14:44 GMT, Brian Barjenbruch <bri...@home.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Battle? What battle? There wasn't any! Sheridan tells them to go away
>>with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
>>They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
>>aliens DO!
>
>Hmmm.
>
>Methinks you missed the motivation of the Vorlons and Shadows in the
>first place. It wasn't a battle of strength, but a battle of wills.
>Once the unknowing third party (in this case the junior races,
>including us) cottoned onto the battle, what's the point in continuing
>it?
>
>Think "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle" writ large.
>
>And as for "That's what aliens do", I think you've OD'd on Trek and
>other simplistic stuff.
One of the problems with 'Trek. It makes you think you can understand
an entire series by seeing one episode. Which is probably why so many
people who've only seen a couple of episodes of B5 wonder why others
rave about it so much.
Richard Tibbetts
>In alt.tv.andromeda Richard Tibbetts <ric...@primepeace.ltd.uk> wrote:
>>>The Excaliber is just a cheap knock-off of the Liberator which in Zen also
>>>had the best ship computer ever.
>>WADR, a "cheap knock-off" of *anything* from B7 is surely beyond the
>>realms of economic feasibility. The only way to make the B7 sets
>>cheaper would have been to mime them!
>
>And yet it was one of the best SF shows on television, ever. Why?
>
>Stock footage of plastic model of spaceship: 6.50
>Lefterover costuming from Dr. Who: 23.50
>Transporting cameras out to a random quarry: 60.14
>
>Most interesting characters and dialogue in
>a SF TV show by miles and miles: priceless
Indeed, I agree with your point (though I never was "grabbed by B7
myself). There's a message in that for all TV "suits". Please can we
have good stories, characters and writing FIRST, THEN spend some money
on effects.
Thomas Grinsted
of the British Empire.
dk...@my-deja.com
1) I too am an Andomeda fan, and hold high hopes for the shows future
2) It's not the size that counts... its how you use it !
Now on to the ship Envy
> Let's face it, there's no question whose is bigger...
>
> * Andromeda's scope is bigger, spanning three galaxies.
Well at least the Commonwealth scope is bigger, Although we haven't
seen any aliens likened unto the Q as of yet, where we are talking not
just about Galaxy space, but space and time as well
>
> * Andromeda's engines are bigger, slipstream vs. warp.
OK, again at least when talking Federation but what about the Borg
TransWarp - or Slipstream from Voyager... What about Fluid Space
But from a combat perspective thier is no indication that Andromeda can
fight in near - light or beyond light speeds, Slipstream requires
entering another "space" as it were to traverse large distances much
like a wormhole or B5 jump gate into hyperspace, so as an escape
mechanism it is a plus... but as far as combat manuevrability the jury
is still out
> * Andromeda's ship is bigger. That sucker would dwarf anything
> the Federation has.
About 4x the size of the Enterprise D.... but What about a Borg Cube...
Or the Planet Eater . hmmmmm ????
>
> * Andromeda's normal crew complement is bigger.
> Again roughly 4x.. I concede
> * Andromeda's firepower is way bigger. Nova bombs versus quantum
> or *snicker* photon torpedoes. Talk about duds.
I'm not so sure about that, the nova boms simply seem to trigger a nova
condition in a star, that is not to say that their payload is that
powerful when used directly against another ship. used in a combat
scenario where the fighting occured near a star, it might be useful,
but then again could wipe out the Andromeda along with the bad guys.
Most of the rest of the weapons seem to be missles or small fighters,
which would be harmless to the Enterprises Shields.... on the other
hand, I have not seen concrete proof of how the Andromeda hull would
withstand a quantam Torpedo burst or Heavy Phaser attacks
>
> * Andromeda's hand weaponry is bigger, not to mention expandable
> and multi-purpose!
Good for hand to hand fights maybe, but beter than a Bat'leth ????
as far as weapon power, that weapon made a Burn mark in the Victims
chest, Ive seen handlheld phasers or disruptors VAPORIZE the target
completley... maybe more versatile, but not more powerful
>
> * Andromeda's Captains are bigger. I'll bet Hunt could kick
> Kirk's, Picard's, Sisko's, and Janeway's butts simultaneously.
I Agree.. The thought of Janeway in a hand to hand with Hunt still has
me rolling on the floor ....
>
> * Andromeda's Warrior Race Crew Members are bigger. Tyr Anasazi
> would make mince meat out of Worf or any Trek Klingon.
I'm not so sure about that one either, but we may never know the answer
to this one... there are lots of Klingons who would be happy to put
the theory to test I am certain !
>
> * Andromeda's date-stamps are bigger. Those five-digit Year of
> The Commonwealths or whatever they are. And last but not least...
> yeah .. So ??
> * Andromeda's boobs are bigger. Lexa Doig versus... take your
> pick of any of those Kirk babes of the week from TOS.
> Apparently you havent taken a peek at 7 of 9's
> All of which is why Andromeda's ratings will probably be bigger
> too.
Now you ARE dreaming ..... but I hope you are right.. I love to see 7
years of Andromeda
About the only thing that won't be bigger is Andromeda's
> First Officers, but hey Beka's a whole lot prettier than Spock
> or Chakotay, and at least a bit prettier than Riker.
>
> [I speak as both an Andromedan (is that what we are?) AND a
> lifelong Trekker, so relax!]
>
It was fun !!!! :-)
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> get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We all
know
> they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
>
> Les
>
In case there is any douby Ivanova *IS* GOD
'Nuff said
> --
> Les Bonser
> Writer and Photographer
> Las Vegas, Nevada USA
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> http://home.att.net/~lbonser (Personal home page including fan
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dk...@my-deja.com
Ivanova or Mrs I kicks the snot out of an entire BAR full of ruffies in
the Ep "EYES"
Besides as I already stated Invanova *IS* GOD
In article <p2cH5.1815$Zd1.1...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Robert Wolfe" <robert...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> Les Bonser <lbo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:M8aH5.1660$Zd1.1...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > I'm really more of a comics fan and I say Superman can still whip
the snot
> > out of Captains Kirk, Spock, Scott, Sulu, Picard, Riker (sort
of...in the
> > future), Sisko, Janeway, MacKenzie (Am I the only one that read
those Star
> > Trek novels??), Sinclair, Sheridan, and Hunt. Hell, throw in Sinbad,
> > Hercules, Xena, Solo, Obi-Wan, Jar-Jar, Luke, and Vader for good
measure
> and
> > the Man 'o Steel will still win!
>
> My money's on Mighty Mouse, baby.
>
> > <Well, okay, he might need Batman to lend a hand or two....But
things
> would
> > get really ugly if Garibaldi and Ivanova jumped into the fray. We
all know
> > they're tougher than all those Captains, right?>
>
> As a totally unbiased observer, if we're talking strictly captains,
and
> our basic yardstick is kicking the snot out of people, Sisko is the
> baddest badass of any of them. He has that whole psychotic thing
> going for him that the others lack.
>
> And Kira was _way_ tougher than Mr. G or Ms. I., again, speaking
> strictly from a bashing people upside the head until they bleed
> perspective.
>
> Just one chimp's point of view. Your buttkicking may vary.
0d...@my-deja.com
Magog and stiff gene altered guys will be major issues in the new
universe
In article <8smo2u$16uejk$1...@mail1.ats.rochester.edu>,
tt...@mail1.ats.rochester.edu (Tom Thatcher) wrote:
> In article <8slpbb$39d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <0d...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >Those weren't the chief bad guys, they were one shot charachters in
one
> >shot episodes. TOS's bad guys were the Klingons and the Romulans.
> >Andromeda's bad guys are giant vampire bats and Lenny Kravtiz and
> >unlike the big headed people they're not going away after the first
> >three episodes.
> >
>
> You missed my point entirely. We don't know who the chief baddies on
> Andromeda will be; we've only seen the pilot. Just because the magog
> and the Nietzcheans were the baddies 300 years ago doesn't mean
they'll
> continue to be the main source of conflict. So far we've seen one
> magog missionary and one Nietzchean outcast mercenary. We don't know
> what the rest of the universe looks like at this point.
>
> --
> Tom Thatcher
> University of Rochester Cancer Center
> tt...@mail.rochester.edu
>
Gary Weiner
Pål Are Nordal wrote:
>
> William December Starr wrote:
> >
> > In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.1001018161131.24545H-100000@suma3>,
> > David Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> said:
> > >
> > > How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
> > > wrapped up?
> >
> > I think an acceptable answer to that query is "Better." The fact that
> > _I_ can't think of a good way to resolve a situation doesn't excuse the
> > failure of the storyteller who created the situation to do so.
>
> But what was so terrible about it? To me, it came as a logical
> resolution to what had come before. The Vorlons and Shadows goals were
> to guide the younger races... When they became aware of what was going
> on, through Sheridan and Lorien, they refused to play anymore, and it
> dawned on the Shadows and the Vorlons that there really wasn't any point
> in continuing.
The basic concept, ending the conflict with an epiphany instead of a
battle, has its merits. But the execution was wretched. The idea that
races who are willing to destroy billions of innocent sentient beings
over their ideological differences will suddenly give them up because
Sheridan tells them they are naughty and therefore the alliance and
their buddies aren't going to play their reindeer games anymore just
fails the sniff test. And even if we get past that, the way the scene
was done was vomit-inducing.
The problem with B5, in the final analysis, is that Stracyznski's
ambition exceeded his philisophical and storytelling talent by an order
of magnitude. He wanted to create this grand comment on the nature of
man. He ended up making a confused mishmash with DC Comics cosmology and
soap opera level melodrama.
De gustibus...of course.
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Paul Harper wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 03:14:44 GMT, Brian Barjenbruch <bri...@home.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Battle? What battle? There wasn't any! Sheridan tells them to go away
> >with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
> >They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
> >aliens DO!
>
> Hmmm.
>
> Methinks you missed the motivation of the Vorlons and Shadows in the
> first place. It wasn't a battle of strength, but a battle of wills.
> Once the unknowing third party (in this case the junior races,
> including us) cottoned onto the battle, what's the point in continuing
> it?
So why couldn't the S&V just kill Sheridan & Co.?
>
> Think "Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle" writ large.
>
> And as for "That's what aliens do", I think you've OD'd on Trek and
> other simplistic stuff.
It's amazing that even though the emperor has major frostbite on his
ass, there are still plenty of people who don't want to say he's naked.
Skyf Kentry
Also, the battle against clarks forces by ivanova, and Sheridan against
clarks forces around earth, and Delenn against the Drakh. . .The list just
goes on and on, my foul-typing friend.
> Battle? What battle? There wasn't any! Sheridan tells them to go away
> with their collective tail tucked between their legs, and they OBEY him?
> They should have blasted him the fuck out of the sky! That's what
> aliens DO!
>
> --
> "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right. Greed
works."
> - Gordon Gekko, 'Wall Street'
Skyf Kentry
Doesn't sound like much.
Masked Man <kemo...@skyenet.net> wrote in message
news:3a046e81....@news.skyenet.net...
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:41:37 GMT, "Skyf Kentry"
> <sk...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> |Their speeches were much cooler than any battle on any ST (with possible
> |exception of FC). And may I remind you, good sir, of the final battle
> |between the Shadows, Vorlons, and B5 forces? Beat that, if you can.
>
> Masked Man------>Watching B5 was a lot like watching a baseball game.
> Hour after hour of tedium interrupted occasionally for a few brief
> seconds of excitement, often missed, or unappreciated because of
> aforesaid tedium. Bo-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-i-i-i-i-n-n-n-n-g-g-g-g!!
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> Who was that masked man?
Skyf Kentry
job with the younger races, it's just themselves that got messed up.
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> On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 15:44:48 +0100, Pål Are Nordal
> <a_b...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> >William December Starr wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.1001018161131.24545H-100000@suma3>,
> >> David Patrick <spsp...@reading.ac.uk> said:
> >> >
> >> > How would you have prefered the whole Vorlon/Shadow conflict to have
> >> > wrapped up?
> >>
> >> I think an acceptable answer to that query is "Better." The fact that
> >> _I_ can't think of a good way to resolve a situation doesn't excuse the
> >> failure of the storyteller who created the situation to do so.
> >
> >But what was so terrible about it? To me, it came as a logical
> >resolution to what had come before. The Vorlons and Shadows goals were
> >to guide the younger races... When they became aware of what was going
> >on, through Sheridan and Lorien, they refused to play anymore, and it
> >dawned on the Shadows and the Vorlons that there really wasn't any point
> >in continuing.
>
> Would also have worked if the Old Ones had returned from the rim to
> chastise Lorien and the others who had remained behind to guide the
> younger races for the lousy job they had done...then put a stop to the
> game the Shadows and Vorlons were playing with the younger races and
> tell them it was time to leave and let the younger races find their
> own path to follow.
Skyf Kentry
watched, please.
William December Starr
"Travers Naran" <tna...@direct.ca> said:
> If not, now on a separate sheet of large paper, draw the Earth as a
> pencil dot and try to draw the Milky Way to scale. Then imagine the
> distances and VOLUME of space involved.
>
> The Universe: it's a big place.
But it seems to be mostly empty. Meaning that for the most part your
spaceships don't have to be everywhere; they just have to be able to
move quickly from important place to important place.
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
William December Starr
a_b...@bigfoot.com said:
> But what was so terrible about it? To me, it came as a logical
> resolution to what had come before. The Vorlons and Shadows goals were
> to guide the younger races... When they became aware of what was going
> on, through Sheridan and Lorien, they refused to play anymore, and it
> dawned on the Shadows and the Vorlons that there really wasn't any
> point in continuing.
So they just gave up. Sorry, but (a) I don't buy it and (b) even if it
makes sense, it still makes for poor drama. But mostly (a).
SHADOW #1: Aw, geez, they've realized that we've been manipulating them
all along! Whatta we do now?
SHADOW #2: Lie to them some more, I guess. They're awfully gullible,
after all. Let's just take a moment to wipe out these annoyances here
[Sheridan et al] and then start spinning like mad. In fifty years,
Sheridan will only be remembered as a heretic or a madman. In five
hundred years, not even that.
Tom Thatcher
>Well unless And intends to toss a lot of backstory out of thewindow,
>Magog and stiff gene altered guys will be major issues in the new
>universe
>
You can't possibly believe what you're writing. In terms of milieu-
level conflict, the only example that comes to mind where the major
enemy is introduced in episode one and chases the heroes for the rest
of the series is Battlestar Galactica. Klingons, Romulans, Ferengi,
Jeridians, Shadows--were all introduced later and built up gradually.
You want to talk about back story? When TNG realized they had emasculated
the Klingons and gave us Cardassians, they invented a 10 year long
war and retconned it into the series.
I only know RHW from the few examples of his work which I have seen
(I was not an avid DS9 follower) but I at least give him credit for
more imagination than Glen Larson. There were a million inhabited
planets spanning 3 galaxies in the old Commonwealth. I'll bet there
are a lot worse things out there than the magog and the N'eans.
Antifrance
> It would actually be a rather
> contrived device to assume Earth joined a Commonwealth that
> just happened to have the same year length, but for now let's
> assume they're equal.
I have a possible solution to this:
Hey, Robert! How long is a Commonwealth year? ;-)
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>
> 4. Can anyone explain to me why The Sports Network
> in Canada shows pro-wrestling? Have they no shame?
1. Because it was the only outlet for the WWF and it makes TSN lots and lots
of money.
2. Oh, God no! No Canadian basic cable channel has any shame. Don't
believe me? If you're in Vancouver on Friday night, try watching Showcase's
Friday night soft-core porn movies. They even have the gaul to bookend the
movies with presenters trying to justify the movie *artistically*.
After they showed "Becoming Colette..." I knew they didn't even know what
the word "shame" meant[*].
[*] I'm not a prude; I just wish they showed *good* soft-core porn[**]
[**] "Life is too short for soft-core porn" -- some French director
--
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New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada, North America, Earth, yada, yada
"Stand back! I'm a Programmer!"