Re: OT: Weird, weird occurence in sky over Virginia Beach tonight
universe
news:cui0t4hg9icau5l5s...@4ax.com:
> I usually don't post local news stories to the NG, but this is
> downright strange and rather intriguing.
>
> A couple of hours ago there was a brilliant greenish-white light that
> lit up the sky, and a minute later there was a huge "boom" like an
> explosion that rattled windows and doors. I was sitting in my bedroom
> with the window open because it's a warm evening. I had my back to
> the window, but I saw the flash reflected on my computer screen like
> when a flash bulb goes off except it lasted longer. Then the
> explosion that sounded like a giant sonic boom.
>
> The first thought that entered my mind was kind of creepy; I'm eight
> miles from the Norfolk Naval base with its ships and jets outfitted
> with nuclear weapons; a lot of people around here always have the
> possibility some kind of accident lurking in the back of their minds.
> But that was just a fleeting thought. It was such a warm day I
> thought that maybe there was a storm approaching. I checked the
> radar online and ... nothing.
>
> Anyway, it turns out that this is a genuine mystery. Thousands of
> eyewitnesses saw the greenish flash in the sky, and hundreds of
> thousands heard and felt the explosion. It was apparently directly
> over the Virginia Beach area, and reports are coming in from as far as
> two hundred + miles away in Maryland and central North Carolina that
> people felt the blast and called their local police stations to report
> it. The National Weather Service says that they have no idea what it
> was. The Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Portsmouth area has the highest
> concentration of military installations in the nation with the Norfolk
> Naval base, a huge Coast Guard base, two major naval air stations, an
> air force base nearby, NASA and NATO headquarters and all sorts of top
> secret military training and development installations within a 20
> mile radius. Probably one of the most heavily radared regions in the
> nation. And yet the Navy, Coast Guard and Air Force all officially
> saying that nothing unusual occurred or was reported to them that they
> are aware of. (Um, didn't the see the flash or feel the blast also?).
> If this was a low-flying meteor or something like that, surely it
> would have been picked up on radar and immediately reported.
>
> Just a couple of years ago we had a similar "mystery," only that time
> is was a brilliant light that rapidly streaked from north to south
> over the area -- but no explosion that time. Again, the military
> played dumb and said they knew nothing about it. This is ridiculous,
> of *course* they know when something like this happens in this area.
> They're the ones manning NORAD, constantly monitoring for enemy
> missiles or even any non-commercial planes in the area. Everyone I've
> talked to is thoroughly convinced that the military knows more about
> this than they're letting on. Maybe it was even something that they
> caused after all. And I wonder if we'll ever find out. It is kind of
> creepy.
>
> Here's the initial news report that just came out about a half hour
> ago; it's obvious the local media doesn't have a clue either about
> what happened tonight:
> http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_32909_strange_li
> ght.838d22a9.html
>
> I suspect this will be making the national news tomorrow because of
> the scope of the thing. This is definitely one of those things that
> makes you go, "hmmmmmmmm..."
>
Sounds exactly like a meteor.
Bob Rudd
@gmail.com says...
It sounds, more than likely, to have been a meteor. However, as you
said, you're close to a large military base and they're highly unlikely
to tell you if they were involved in anything.
--
I hope we can all be good neighbors online!
zzznot
For a meteor to make a sound, and not leave a gigantic crater, may be
impossible. It is certainly very very very very very unlikely. Very.
J.
Salad
> And the military is claiming they're "not aware" of anything unusual.
> Bull. With their continual satellite surveillance let alone the radar
> saturation around here, they're saying they know nothing about what
> tens to hundreds of thousands of citizens heard and saw? Surely if
> it were a meteor that struck or came that close to striking the ground
> it would have been picked up on radar and/or the government
> satellites. Maybe we'll get some kind of explanation tomorrow.
> My best guess is that it was a cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey that went
> off course and was ready to crash land; the Klingons auto-destructed
> before it crashed so that we wouldn't be able to steal their
> technology. ;-)
When you first reported this story, the first thing I thought was
military. If it's a new weapon, one would think the experiment would be
performed out west. Either that, or the scientists that made something
go boom weren't expecting the results. Or maybe a soldier pushed the
wrong a lever then say "oops!" I doubt you'll get the full story.
Thanatos
"zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote:
Not at all. In fact, it's quite likely. A burning meteor of a certain
size with vaporize entirely before it hits the ground. The moment it
breaks up, it literally explodes, leaving nothing left to impact the
surface.
The Tunguska Event in Siberia is a classic example of an asteroid or
comet that exploded before hitting the earth. It liberated so much
energy that trees were flattened for miles but there was no impact
crater at all.
Vandar
> day, because despite extensive research not a single iota of meteorite
> material has been found in the region. Scientists say that even when a
> meteorite explodes it doesn't just completely vanish, it leaves
> material behind.
You definitely weren't the only one to see/feel it.
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_wavy_emails_about_the_mystery_in_the_sky_20090330
Many seem to think it was a meteor entering the atmosphere and exploding
before hitting the ground.
Fille
> I suspect this will be making the national news tomorrow because of
> the scope of the thing. This is definitely one of those things that
> makes you go, "hmmmmmmmm..."
*cues Rod Serling/Twilight Zone music*
universe
@news.motzarella.org:
Totally false. It happens all the time. Debris from this sort of event is
often found sitting right on the ground, without a crater of any size
whatsoever. The sound somes from the object travelling at supersonic speed,
not from the impact with the ground.
CN
news:0fk1t4ht4e69irhtb...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:02:26 -0400, zob <zob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And how many people outside of this area know that there is a NASA
>>spaceport on Wallops Island off Virginia's Eastern Shore just outside
>>of the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area? Usually the claim is that the
>>government is launching "weather satellites" from there. There was
>>actually a remarkably similar event to last night's just a few months
>>ago, August 2008.
>>http://www.discuss.itwire.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6429&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
>> In the pre-dawn hours, a fireball and flash of light were seen
>>followed by an explosion in the area; at that time the government
>>claimed that a rocket they launched (at 5 a.m. in the dark???)
>>carrying an experimental re-entry payload had "veered off course" and
>>had to be detonated remotely by explosives conveniently located in the
>>nose of the rocket for that purpose.
>>By the way, this is the experimental payload that rocket was
>>officially carrying. Can you say, "flying saucer?!"
>> http <snip>
>
> Sorry, that last link was bad, and it's the best one; ya gotta see
> this to believe it! This is what the government's payload was on the
> rocket that exploded in the area last august:
> www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/pdf/268735main_SOAREX1.pdf
>>
Wow, looks like a giant..... nope, I won't go there! ;>
Hugs,
CatNipped
Bob Rudd
atr...@mac.com says...
Thanatos, I was thinking the exact same thing. Smaller meteors
especially can vaporize almost at the last seconds before hitting the
lower atmosphere and cause a great deal of ground commotion. The fact
though that it occurs near a prominent military base always gives rise
though (and perhaps rightfully so, given the government's history of not
being as forthcoming as possible) of some type of "Area 51" event, so I
can also pretty easily understand Zob's concerns here, as well.
I dunno if you can answer this but are you going overseas this trip
buddy? If you can't answer though and we don't see you around for a few
days, we can only wonder why? ;-) You'll be in my prayers if that's
the case.
zzznot
"Thanatos" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
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I accept the correction - cannot make a noise without leaving a
gigantic crater, or flattening trees in a fifty mile radius.
Tunguska is still mostly a mystery, whatever theories about ice
asteroids people try to make work. In any case it's rare to vanishing
on a frequency basis.
J.
zzznot
news:Xns9BDE5D07733A...@69.16.185.247...
> "zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote in news:gqpob7$dr4$1
> @news.motzarella.org:
>
>>> Sounds exactly like a meteor.
>>
>> For a meteor to make a sound, and not leave a gigantic crater, may be
>> impossible. It is certainly very very very very very unlikely. Very.
>>
>
> often found sitting right on the ground, without a crater of any size
> whatsoever. The sound somes from the object travelling at supersonic
> speed,
> not from the impact with the ground.
You're mixing up about three different things.
Just the other day a meteor was tracked in the Sudan, I think,
and then found lying on the ground. Great. But did it make any
sound? Only if it was still supersonic within some proximity
of the ground, not to mention it was out in the middle of
nowhere. But this was supposed to be the first time in
history that a meteor was tracked and found!
Could something big have made a sound and fallen into the ocean
without causing one or another kind of further rucus?
Perhaps. There's a fairly narrow set of parameters in which that
would work.
Meteors that people touch are rare, and hear are ever more rare,
much more rare, to the point of being unknown, I think. Yeah OK
Tunguska.
Hey, I saw a very spectacular meteor (must have been!) over Los
Angeles umpty years ago, left a brilliant trail halfway across
the sky in about one second, way too fast to be a falling satellite,
but it was certainly just a little grazer, went back off into
space, and I heard no sound. Never saw any news reports on it.
J.
Sanna
> I usually don't post local news stories to the NG, but this is downright
> strange and rather intriguing.
> A couple of hours ago there was a brilliant greenish-white light that lit
> up the sky, and a minute later there was a huge "boom" like an explosion
> that rattled windows and doors.
Dammit! Has anyone heard from Callen this morning. I knew she was
working on a new batch of moonshine, but dayum.......she must've put some
lightenin' in it big time!
I hope she's okay.....maybe I'll pop over and check on her.
<note to self....bring a vat>
--
Aaron
> "zob" <zob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0fk1t4ht4e69irhtb...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:02:26 -0400, zob <zob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>And how many people outside of this area know that there is a NASA
> >>spaceport on Wallops Island off Virginia's Eastern Shore just outside
> >>of the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area? Usually the claim is that the
> >>government is launching "weather satellites" from there. There was
> >>actually a remarkably similar event to last night's just a few months
> >>ago, August 2008.
> >> In the pre-dawn hours, a fireball and flash of light were seen
> >>followed by an explosion in the area; at that time the government
> >>claimed that a rocket they launched (at 5 a.m. in the dark???)
> >>carrying an experimental re-entry payload had "veered off course" and
> >>had to be detonated remotely by explosives conveniently located in the
> >>nose of the rocket for that purpose.
> >>By the way, this is the experimental payload that rocket was
> >>officially carrying. Can you say, "flying saucer?!"
> >> http <snip>
>
> > Sorry, that last link was bad, and it's the best one; ya gotta see
> > this to believe it! This is what the government's payload was on the
> > rocket that exploded in the area last august:
> >www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/pdf/268735main_SOAREX1.pdf
>
> Wow, looks like a giant..... nope, I won't go there! ;>
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh I didn't look until you posted that
*rinses out eyes*
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
-Aaron
dixichik
>
> - Show quoted text -
Shades of Fat Bastard!!!!!!
dixichik
LOL. Fine minds think alike.
Hmmmm, is it possible that Stephen King was on to something when he
wrote "The Mist"? Just sayin'!
Aaron
Hey! There's a lot of muscle under there, I'll have you know! Come on,
poke at me and see!
-Aaron
universe
news:gqqu2v$5sg$2...@news.motzarella.org:
> "universe" <univ...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9BDE5D07733A...@69.16.185.247...
>> "zzznot" <zzz...@invalid.net> wrote in news:gqpob7$dr4$1
>> @news.motzarella.org:
>>
>>>> Sounds exactly like a meteor.
>>>
>>> For a meteor to make a sound, and not leave a gigantic crater, may
>>> be impossible. It is certainly very very very very very unlikely.
>>> Very.
>>>
>>
>> Totally false. It happens all the time. Debris from this sort of
>> event is often found sitting right on the ground, without a crater of
>> any size whatsoever. The sound somes from the object travelling at
>> supersonic speed,
>> not from the impact with the ground.
>
> You're mixing up about three different things.
>
> Just the other day a meteor was tracked in the Sudan, I think,
> and then found lying on the ground. Great. But did it make any
> sound? Only if it was still supersonic within some proximity
> of the ground, not to mention it was out in the middle of
> nowhere. But this was supposed to be the first time in
> history that a meteor was tracked and found!
>
I advise you to just stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking
about.
> Could something big have made a sound and fallen into the ocean
> without causing one or another kind of further rucus?
> Perhaps. There's a fairly narrow set of parameters in which that
> would work.
>
No, not narrow at all. Unless it caused a tidal wave, how would there be
any evidence whatsoever of it falling into the ocean? Just because an
object is bright and its sonic boom can be heard doesn't mean that it's
especially large or will cause catastropic damage when it lands.
dixichik
ROFLMAO! Mike Myers got you, too, huh?
Ron
> downright strange and rather intriguing.
<snip>
Here is what it was http://tinyurl.com/cwgd6f
fmomoon
"Ron" <BigEL...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:2a232e77-699b-4c90...@l22g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
-------
Ah, the old "Russian space junk" conspiracy. <wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say
no more> Do they think we're going to fall for that one? Aha!
<g>
What can I say, I wasn't there and they can't blame this one on me. Thanks
for the post, Ron.
--
Moni
Thanatos
Bob Rudd <bob...@verizon.net> wrote:
Nope, I've got other assignments. And I've spent enough time on car
planes for a lifetime. That's something for the rookies to endure.
(There are only a few foreign venues for which I'd be willing to get
back on a C-130-- New Zealand/Australia, Tokyo, Cairo (gotta see those
Pyramids at some point) and Antarctica. The last one isn't likely,
although when Clinton was president, he did express interest in wanting
to be the first US president to visit every continent. Nothing ever came
of it, though.)
Thanatos
zob <zob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's the military's denial that an event ever occurred that in itself
> makes us suspicious that it was more than a meteorite. Why on earth
> would the government deny a meteorite event? Some people are also
> questioning why the big Washington Newspapers, the Post and the Times,
> are completely silent about this widely observed and very interesting
> occurrence in adjacent Virginia and Maryland -- when they usually
> report much smaller and more localized events.
It's clearly another Philadelphia Experiment. Or maybe the Goa'uld
attacked.
JRStern
>> You're mixing up about three different things.
>>
>> Just the other day a meteor was tracked in the Sudan, I think,
>> and then found lying on the ground. Great. But did it make any
>> sound? Only if it was still supersonic within some proximity
>> of the ground, not to mention it was out in the middle of
>> nowhere. But this was supposed to be the first time in
>> history that a meteor was tracked and found!
>>
>
>I advise you to just stop talking. You have no idea what you are talking
>about.
You may stop listening, if making sense offends you.
>> Could something big have made a sound and fallen into the ocean
>> without causing one or another kind of further rucus?
>> Perhaps. There's a fairly narrow set of parameters in which that
>> would work.
>>
>
>No, not narrow at all. Unless it caused a tidal wave, how would there be
>any evidence whatsoever of it falling into the ocean? Just because an
>object is bright and its sonic boom can be heard doesn't mean that it's
>especially large or will cause catastropic damage when it lands.
For the most part, it does.
Again, it would have to fit a very narrow set of parameters to avoid
it.
Say if something that can produce a good sonic boom, like a jet
fighter, does so at altitude, like 30,000 feet, and then the engines
die and it falls more or less harmlessly into the ocean (presume the
pilot ejects safely!). The mass and speed and trajectory of your
hypothetic meteor would have to match or exceed that, to have anything
like the apparent effects of this event. If it came down with more
energy, it would likely cause a big enough splash to be observed,
landing anywhere on the horizon from shore, if not a tidal wave.
I suppose it's possible, just barely, for a meteor to zip through the
atmosphere low enough that we hear the boom, and high enough that it
escapes entirely. And to be small enough that our spacewatch programs
don't see it coming - or leaving. Would likely be from a few hundred
pounds to a couple of tons, I'm guessing.
What altitude does the space shuttle come in at, where the boom is
heard all over Los Angeles when it lands at Edwards, or over Texas (?)
when it lands at the cape? 100,000 feet sounds vaguely familiar. But
a meteoric equivalent would have to be pretty nearly as large as the
shuttle, and we'd hope to have observed it on its way in.
It seems much more likely to have been a military misfire, I think.
Again, almost anything is possible, but some things aren't very
likely.
J.
Vandar
> So I'm sure someone has posted the story already, but if not check it out:
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090330/sc_space/mysteriouseastcoastboomwasf
> allingrussianrocket
Well damn. That actually crossed my mind, as I closely follow the
various space programs. Next time I gotta say something so people will
think I'm smart if it turns out to be right. :)
LauraM
> I usually don't post local news stories to the NG, but this is
> downright strange and rather intriguing.
>
> lit up the sky, and a minute later there was a huge "boom" like an
> with the window open because it's a warm evening. I had my back to
> the window, but I saw the flash reflected on my computer screen like
> when a flash bulb goes off except it lasted longer. Then the
> explosion that sounded like a giant sonic boom.
>
> The first thought that entered my mind was kind of creepy; I'm eight
> miles from the Norfolk Naval base with its ships and jets outfitted
> with nuclear weapons; a lot of people around here always have the
> possibility some kind of accident lurking in the back of their minds.
> But that was just a fleeting thought. It was such a warm day I
> thought that maybe there was a storm approaching. I checked the
> radar online and ... nothing.
>
> Anyway, it turns out that this is a genuine mystery. Thousands of
> eyewitnesses saw the greenish flash in the sky, and hundreds of
> thousands heard and felt the explosion. It was apparently directly
> over the Virginia Beach area, and reports are coming in from as far as
> two hundred + miles away in Maryland and central North Carolina that
> people felt the blast and called their local police stations to report
> it. The National Weather Service says that they have no idea what it
> was. The Virginia Beach/Norfolk/Portsmouth area has the highest
> concentration of military installations in the nation with the Norfolk
> Naval base, a huge Coast Guard base, two major naval air stations, an
> air force base nearby, NASA and NATO headquarters and all sorts of top
> secret military training and development installations within a 20
> mile radius. Probably one of the most heavily radared regions in the
> nation. And yet the Navy, Coast Guard and Air Force all officially
> saying that nothing unusual occurred or was reported to them that they
> are aware of. (Um, didn't the see the flash or feel the blast also?).
> If this was a low-flying meteor or something like that, surely it
> would have been picked up on radar and immediately reported.
>
> Just a couple of years ago we had a similar "mystery," only that time
> is was a brilliant light that rapidly streaked from north to south
> over the area -- but no explosion that time. Again, the military
> played dumb and said they knew nothing about it. This is ridiculous,
> of *course* they know when something like this happens in this area.
> They're the ones manning NORAD, constantly monitoring for enemy
> missiles or even any non-commercial planes in the area. Everyone I've
> talked to is thoroughly convinced that the military knows more about
> this than they're letting on. Maybe it was even something that they
> caused after all. And I wonder if we'll ever find out. It is kind of
> creepy.
>
> Here's the initial news report that just came out about a half hour
> ago; it's obvious the local media doesn't have a clue either about
> what happened tonight:http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_local_32909_strange_...
>
> I suspect this will be making the national news tomorrow because of
> the scope of the thing. This is definitely one of those things that
> makes you go, "hmmmmmmmm..."
Here's some more info on this...
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/mysterious-loud-explosion-heard-hampton-roads
Aaron
*tears up receipt for one Swedish-made Penis Enlargement Pump*
No? Whatever do you mean?
-Aaron
dixichik
:D
Di
Really good moonshine only gives off a very faint bluish glow when it
burns - so, I'm guessing Callen must have tried out her new copper soup pot
and had it backfire on her....
Will we recognize her without those eyebrows?