Mariah lip-syncing?

[Mike]

I vote YES. At least in parts.

What say y'all?

[Ron C]

On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:
> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>
> What say y'all?
>

To repeat my comment in another thread:
"video killed the radio star."

Read what you will in to that.
==
Later...
Ron C
--

[Tim Hall]

Something buggling you?

--
X Factor Season 2 Certainty Contest Champion

"There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is
a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." -- Albert
Einstein

[Ron C]

On 5/16/2013 9:28 PM, Tim Hall wrote:
> On 5/16/2013 6:25 PM, Ron C wrote:
>> On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:
>>> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>>>
>>> What say y'all?
>>>
>>
>> To repeat my comment in another thread:
>> "video killed the radio star."
>>
>> Read what you will in to that.
>> ==
>> Later...
>> Ron C
>> --
>
> Something buggling you?
>

I suppose one could say that.
Maybe it's old age nostalgia.

[Universe]

Mike <tetr...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:fe991587-1d56-42c9-b6fc-
77910b...@s18g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>
> What say y'all?

Clearly. It wasn't even close, as if she had been actually performing live
and then they decided to put a better audio track over it afterwards. At
least when Frankie Valli was lip-syncing, they kept the camera at a
distance for almost the whole song.

[Ron C]

On 5/16/2013 10:29 PM, Zob wrote:

> I say, no.
>
> OTOH, with Jennifer Lopez it was hard to tell because her singing was
> so autotuned and electronically enhanced.
>
Zob,
You so need to hijack my <<< cynic-in-training >>>
dot sig. ;-)

[Ron C]

...say what? You're not being cynical?
==
--

[Ron C]

On 5/16/2013 10:58 PM, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

>
> On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:

>> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>>
>> What say y'all?
>

> YES.
>
> Susan

Cool. And you guys care ...why?
==
Later...
Ron C <<< curmudgeon-in-training >>>
--

[ri...@home.com]

Universe <univ...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XnsA1C2CEB041706...@69.16.185.250:

> At least when Frankie Valli was lip-syncing, they kept the
> camera at a distance for almost the whole song.

Dude sounded like he inhaled helium b/f going on stage.

[Ron C]

...and that's unusual how?

[Ron C]

...and that's unusual (for him) how?
==
--

[Brian Gordon]

In article <avlknb...@mid.individual.net>,

Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:

>> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>>
>> What say y'all?
>

>YES.
>
>Susan


Of course she was. Almost any performer, and certainly one that sings while
dancing/jumping around, is lip-syncing. Add the need for electronic pitch
correction, and you can be SURE.
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[Moni]

"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:

>> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>>
>> What say y'all?
>

> YES.
>
> Susan

I'm assuming that East Coast had a better feed. Our sync was off and I
couldn't figure it out.
--
Moni

Cool Kid since 2008

[Moni]

"Brian Gordon" <bri...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:kn48dn$7iu$1...@reader1.panix.com...

> In article <avlknb...@mid.individual.net>,
> Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>>x-no-archive: yes
>>
>>On 5/16/2013 9:21 PM, Mike wrote:
>>> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>>>
>>> What say y'all?
>>
>>YES.
>>
>>Susan
>
>
> Of course she was. Almost any performer, and certainly one that sings
> while
> dancing/jumping around, is lip-syncing. Add the need for electronic
> pitch
> correction, and you can be SURE.

She (Mariah) couldn't even walk in that dress, let alone jump up and down.
I'm thinking that you're mixing her up with Jennifer Lopez, who was
certainly jumping around.

[Moni]

"SLGreg" <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in message
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> ;-)
> --
> - greg

Valli, who is way too over the hill for this gig, used to have a better
timbre. Now it's thin and unsupported. He's just sad.

[Moni]

"SLGreg" <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in message

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> Valli has the most famous falsetto in pop history. And then there's
> Robin Thicke, way down at the other end.
> --
> - greg

Yup.

[Larc]

He's "only" 79 and looks like a walking corpse. What more could you want?

Larc

[Cheri]

"Larc" <la...@notmyaddress.com> wrote in message
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I thought he was hot!!! LOL

Cheri

[TheChris]

Tim Hall <ihat...@invalid.invalid> wrote in news:kn40sf$t1u$1...@dont-email.me:

> Something buggling you?

Well played sir.... :)

[Moni]

"Larc" <la...@notmyaddress.com> wrote in message
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For him to hang it up. Tony Bennett, he isn't. :)

[Moni]

"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
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Hot flashes for him?

[Nancy2]

On May 17, 1:05 am, Zob <zobva1 @ gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn't notice when I was watching live (which I did tonight).  But I
> just went back and reviewed Mariah's song on Tivo and it looked as if
> the whole audio was lagging on the feed.  I don't think she was lip
> synching.
>
> --
> Zob
>
> "So You Think You Can Dance" Season 6 Certainty Contest champion

She absolutely was lip synching, according to expert in-print critics
today. I thought it was very obvious.

N.

[Cheri]

"Moni" <fmo...@fakeaddress.net> wrote in message
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I still love Frankie Valli...I don't have hot flashes, but he probably does
when singing falsetto these days. :-)

Cheri

[Moni]

"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

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Yeah, the air is thin up on those notes. :)

[Ron C]

Running with the subject line:
Q: Why didn't/wouldn't/shouldn't he have taken advantage of the technology?

[Moni]

"Ron C" <r.c...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Good point. To his credit, that seems to be his current voice, warts and
all. Maybe, giving him some credit, it was poor sound mixing...?

[Ron C]

Sadly, poor sound mixing has legs (so to speak)
on this show. I'd be willing to cut him some slack
on that premise. I'd also offer kudos for integrity,
weather real or imagined.
Thanks for providing an alternative perspective!

[Feffeleskin]

Mariah has enormous shapely breasts so what guy cares about her lipsynching?
I mean what a piece of tush she is. Huge melons, 200,000,000 records sold,
an adorable face and overall figger and we give a darn about sync?
Huh?


"Mike" <tetr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Cheri]

"Feffeleskin" <Feff...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Mariah has enormous shapely breasts so what guy cares about her
> lipsynching?
> I mean what a piece of tush she is. Huge melons, 200,000,000 records sold,
> an adorable face and overall figger and we give a darn about sync?
> Huh?

I imagine I know who you are now. LOL

Cheri

[Moni]

"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

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I know who you think it is, Cheri. TC? :) Perhaps, but he'd had the
courage to not come in with a new name.

[AnnieB]

TC was never that funny, and Feff hasn't posted any political comments.

AnnieB

[TheChris]

"Feffeleskin" <Feff...@aol.com> wrote in news:5197a4fa$0$20235$607e...@cv.net:

> Mariah has enormous shapely breasts so what guy cares about her lipsynching?
> I mean what a piece of tush she is. Huge melons, 200,000,000 records sold,
> an adorable face and overall figger and we give a darn about sync?
> Huh?
>

You spell lipsyncing and enormous right, but you miss figure??? :)

Her melons do nothing for me.... Though, she is slowly coming back to her ould
self...

[TheChris]

Mike <tetr...@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:fe991587-1d56-42c9...@s18g2000yqg.googlegroups.com:

> I vote YES. At least in parts.
>
> What say y'all?
>

As much as I like to tear down these R&B singers..... I think she was singing....
It would have been impossible to pull off with such light arrangements.... I'll
give her that.

[TheChris]

Ron C <r.c...@verizon.net> wrote in

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> Running with the subject line:
> Q: Why didn't/wouldn't/shouldn't he have taken advantage of the technology?

Well, it would have required him actually signing it in a studio. They were doing
a medley, so, it isn't as they could have peeled a vocal track off a bunch of old
songs..

I would say he was lip-syncing... Even though it didn't sound great, it was far
too consistent for how he was holding the microphone and not really exerting
himself.

Back in the day though.... that guy had it...

[TheChris]

Zob <zobva1 @ gmail.com> wrote in news:9a5bp8hc15aj03lpj...@4ax.com:

>
> OTOH, with Jennifer Lopez it was hard to tell because her singing was
> so autotuned and electronically enhanced.

She should have anything related to singing taken away from her - like Lance
Armstrong. She's just terrible... I know at one time (Selena Movie) she did...
but, why somebody like her is trying to act so hip and young and not try to show
that she's got talent.

Maybe she doesn't.

However, maybe I'm bitter at her because I'm stationed in Afghanistan, and I heard
when she came here, she was less than pleasant to the troops.

So..........I'm not in camp Lopez.

[TheChris]

bri...@panix.com (Brian Gordon) wrote in news:kn48dn$7iu$1...@reader1.panix.com:

> Of course she was. Almost any performer, and certainly one that sings while
> dancing/jumping around, is lip-syncing. Add the need for electronic pitch
> correction, and you can be SURE.

So, how does that apply in this case? To me it looked like she was strapped to a
steel pole.... I don't think she was though.

[SLGreg]

Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes

>
> On 5/20/2013 10:41 AM, TheChris wrote:
>
>> However, maybe I'm bitter at her because I'm stationed in Afghanistan, and I heard
>> when she came here, she was less than pleasant to the troops.
>>
>> So..........I'm not in camp Lopez.
>

> That's interesting to hear.
>
> I've heard from folks I know who work in very high end designer shops
> that she's not only a pain, but she's cheap, always looking for a freebie
> or haggling on price, like she's doing them a favor by shopping.
>
> Susan

I'm still basking in the afterglow of Bieber being booed at the Billboard
Awards last night.

--
greg

[Larc]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 11:01:33 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

| x-no-archive: yes
|
| On 5/20/2013 10:41 AM, TheChris wrote:
|

| > However, maybe I'm bitter at her because I'm stationed in Afghanistan, and I heard
| > when she came here, she was less than pleasant to the troops.
| >
| > So..........I'm not in camp Lopez.
|

| That's interesting to hear.
|
| I've heard from folks I know who work in very high end designer shops
| that she's not only a pain, but she's cheap, always looking for a
| freebie or haggling on price, like she's doing them a favor by shopping.

JLo isn't high enough on the totem pole. I often hear that people who are toward the
top tend to be very nice and easy to deal with.

Larc

[Cheri]

"SLGreg" <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in message

news:830367783390761532.319...@news.eternal-september.org...

Why did he get booed?

Cheri

[Cheri]

"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message

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Answering my own post, I just watched on YouTube. Sad.

Cheri

[Larc]

+1

Larc

[Larc]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 12:58:24 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

| x-no-archive: Yes

|
| On 5/20/2013 12:51 PM, SLGreg wrote:
|
| > I'm still basking in the afterglow of Bieber being booed at the Billboard
| > Awards last night.
| >
|

| Awww, I feel bad for him.
|
| I do think he has to stop asking/begging for acceptance and respect though.
|
| Just do your thing and earn it.

I think begging for it is his only realistic option.

Larc

[TheChris]

SLGreg <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in
news:830367783390761532.319...@news.eternal-september.org:

> I'm still basking in the afterglow of Bieber being booed at the Billboard
> Awards last night.
>

I'll have to look for a clip of that :)

[Larc]

On Mon, 20 May 2013 13:50:45 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

| x-no-archive: yes

|
| On 5/20/2013 1:20 PM, Larc wrote:
|
| > I think begging for it is his only realistic option.
| >
|

| Time will tell.
|
| He's only 19.
|
| I don't adults beating up on a kid.

I think the booing was mainly for Justin's behavior, not his mediocre talent. He has
turned into a near total jerk who evidently feels he is super entitled. He's not 12
years old anymore. If he's going to act like a brat, I don't see that his advanced
teen age should make him immune to being treated like one.

Larc

[Lesmond]

You'd think all that weed he smokes would mellow him out.

--
If there's a nuclear winter, at least it'll snow.

[Bigolhomo]

But she came there, doesn't that count for something?

[TheChris]

Bigolhomo <not...@nothing.com> wrote in
news:kgplp8h14nf29bb00...@4ax.com:

> But she came there, doesn't that count for something?

Kinda... I'm sure she's on flights all the time... It was just another
destination...

[Moni]

"SLGreg" <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in message
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:) That was sweet.

[Moni]

"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: Yes
>
> On 5/20/2013 12:51 PM, SLGreg wrote:
>

>> I'm still basking in the afterglow of Bieber being booed at the Billboard
>> Awards last night.
>>
>

> Awww, I feel bad for him.
>
> I do think he has to stop asking/begging for acceptance and respect
> though.
>
> Just do your thing and earn it.
>

> Susan
He's 19. Doesn't that kind of go with the territory? I think acceptance
from yourself comes a bit later, from what I've observed.

[Moni]

"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message

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> x-no-archive: yes

>
> On 5/22/2013 8:55 PM, Moni wrote:
>
>> He's 19. Doesn't that kind of go with the territory? I think acceptance
>> from yourself comes a bit later, from what I've observed.
>

> He's not just 19; he's 19 with a phalanx of handlers and PR people, and
> usher as a mentor.
>
> It works against him, is all.
>
> Susan

Yes, it sounds like the old Hollywood studio syndrome, where the "stars"
knew little to nothing about real life and had a hard time functioning.

[Larc]

Plus Bieber is spoiled rotten, with emphasis on the word "rotten." If he's no longer
able to afford his ever-present retinue once he falls out of favor with the public,
his real troubles will begin. I hope for his sake that his money is well invested.

Larc

[Peter Lawrence]

On 5/16/13 8:27 PM, SLGreg wrote:
>
> Valli has the most famous falsetto in pop history.

More famous than those of the Brothers Gibb?


- Peter

[Larc]

Falsetto isn't something I've ever found especially admirable in a singer. "False"
is too much a part of it, and I prefer *real* in my singers.

Larc

[TheChris]

Larc <la...@notmyaddress.com> wrote in
news:nigsp85chpmbmqtgq...@4ax.com:

> Plus Bieber is spoiled rotten, with emphasis on the word "rotten." If he's no
longer
> able to afford his ever-present retinue once he falls out of favor with the
public,
> his real troubles will begin. I hope for his sake that his money is well
invested.
>
> Larc

His fans are tweens - and I'm certain - none of them could get into an awards
show... I don't think anybody 'older' likes him.....

[TheChris]

Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com> wrote in news:knllq5$r1m$1...@dont-email.me:

Well, they DID write 'Grease'...

Valli was way before the Bee-Gees... I would say they're just as famous - but -
he was burning up the charts in the 50's and the 60's.

However, to answer your question - I think the BeeGees were seen as a 'group' -
and not many people knew them individually. I still don't know who sang lead on
many of their songs.

Valli, on the other hand, was the leader of a famous group - EVERYBODY knew his
name - so - I think he was the most famous falsetto in pop history.

[TheChris]

Larc <la...@notmyaddress.com> wrote in
news:g2osp8hsbldfls8sh...@4ax.com:

> Falsetto isn't something I've ever found especially admirable in a singer.
"False"
> is too much a part of it, and I prefer *real* in my singers.
>
> Larc

But, that's just a descriptive musical term.. It was around LONG before him...

Justin Bieber sings in his real voice.... you like him more???? :)

Food for thought :)

[Larc]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 16:31:55 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

| x-no-archive: yes
|

| On 5/23/2013 12:40 PM, Larc wrote:
|
| > Plus Bieber is spoiled rotten, with emphasis on the word "rotten."
|

| I have no way of knowing that about him. Obviously, you have some
| personal, intimate relationship with him and his life that I don't share.

I can read. Some of his exploits have been in the news recently.

Larc

[Cheri]

"SLGreg" <SLG...@madeitup.com> wrote in message

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> On Thu, 23 May 2013 11:10:05 -0700, Peter Lawrence <humm...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>

> In my opinion, yes. Much more so.
>
> Valli and the Seasons Four were among many groups (and solo acts)
> featuring a falsetto lead at the time (early/mid 60's): Dick and
> DeeDee (yes, Dick sang all those parts you always thought DeeDee did
> in 'Tell Me', 'Thou Shalt Not Steal'), Del Shannon ('Runaway'), The
> Newbeats ('Bread and Butter') The Tokens ('The Lion Sleeps Tonight')
> and even the Beach Boys ('Barbara Ann'), but Valli will always be the
> most remembered for it.
>
> Lou Christie (his style was *my* fave, it had a cool nasality to it
> and was, by far, the most versatile with regard to switching back and
> forth from head to falsetto and vibrato control (extremely difficult
> to do in falsetto): 'Two Faces Have I', 'The Gypsy Cried':
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w05w1XbZTG8
>
>
> --
> - greg


The Gypsy Cried used to be my favorite song when I was a kid.

Cheri

[Bigolhomo]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 21:32:43 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes
>

>On 5/23/2013 8:16 PM, Larc wrote:
>
>> I can read. Some of his exploits have been in the news recently.
>>
>

>I've seen the reporting.
>
>But I don't infer what you do.
>
>Susan

I think you're the only one who doesn't. The kid is a spoiled,
entitled, narcissitic brat.