David Cook Rips Off Another Cover Version - Billie Jean
Shannon
Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
"brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
know this right?
I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
night, David Cook rips ideas off. Don't believe me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2MgwAJrfXo <- Video added over a year
ago.
I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
It's sad.
ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
Shannon
> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
> know this right?
>
> I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
> ago.
>
> I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
> not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
> It's sad.
>
> ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
I should have done this search before posting so I could link these
stories....
David Cook Does Chris Cornell Doing Michael Jackson
http://www.undercoverhd.com/news/Story.aspx?id=4363
CatNipped
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Ryan clearly stated, as he introduced David, "doing Chris Cornell's version
of Billy Jean" - if contestants could create their own, unique arrangements
in the 3 days they're given, they wouldn't need to be on Idol, now would
they?
Hugs,
CatNipped
briansgoogl...@yahoo.com
You do know that Ryan introduced Cook as "singing Chris Cornell's
version of Billie Jean", right? Billie Jean was on Cornell's Carry On
album, and Cook's version was very loosely based on it at best. He
didn't try to sound like Cornell, he made it a David Cook song. I do
believe most people are over reacting about how 'amazing' Cook was,
how he's too good for Idol, etc. But it was a very good performance
even if not entirely original.
Penelope Baker
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The show is ABOUT doing covers. If you go on, you're going to do covers and
get exposure to an audience of 30+ million people. I think THAT's the need,
for anyone who can play/compose/whatever to go on the show -- not really
skill based, but exposure based.
We've had plenty of real musicians on previous seasons, folks who could
compose, play instruments, etc. We just never really got to see them do it
until this year.
Peace,
Pen
Nathan Sanders
<3cb7f031-465d-4717...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Shannon <SPCr...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm certainly not a defensive fanboy (I don't particularly care for
David Cook's voice or style and would happily wave goodbye to him this
week), but every single AI contestant "steal[s] original ideas and
arrangements", because none of the sing their own songs and very few
(if any) create the underlying arrangement themselves (obviously, they
have some hand in the final selection of verses, order, etc., since
the version they sing is shorter than the original).
Furthermore, credit *was* given to Chris Cornell last night, so your
rant isn't even justified in the case.
That said, when you pick an arrangement that is radically different is
style from the most well-known version(s) of the song, you run the
risk of being perceived as having invented it on your own, and then
blasted for it later when it comes out that someone else did that
arrangement (see Chris Daughtry's "Walk the Line").
Nathan
callen...@yahoo.com
Don't waste your time. "Shannon" clearly has a *problem* with David
Cook that she likes to share with us as much as possible.
Callen in VA
Nancy2
> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
> know this right?
>
> I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
> ago.
>
> I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
> not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
> It's sad.
>
> ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
Who cares, I like the kid - much prefer him over Johns, Chick, Castro,
or - especially - David A.
N.
Shep Hellerman
> "Shannon" <SPCro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
right... and don't forget that they had to choose a song from a
particular year (their birth year). I'm not sure, but I would imagine
the original version wouldn't meet this requirement, and the Cornell
version probably did (I'm not looking this up!). So, it was necessary
to make the version clear.
Vandar
The original version was released in Cook's birth year. The Cornell
version is about a year old.
Ar Q
"Shannon" <SPCr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
> know this right?
>
When people realize that, the voting is over. David Cook wins.
Peach
> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
> know this right?
>
> I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
> ago.
>
> I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
> not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
> It's sad.
>
> ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
I like how Shannon posts his/her bait, then disappears...thinking we
all really give a flying fig. Sad, pathetic little creature.
Peach
--
All we are saying is give peach a chance!
Cheri
Shep Hellerman wrote in message ..
>right... and don't forget that they had to choose a song from a
>particular year (their birth year). I'm not sure, but I would imagine
>the original version wouldn't meet this requirement, and the Cornell
>version probably did (I'm not looking this up!). So, it was necessary
>to make the version clear.
You're probably right, but I was looking forward to the Michael
Jackson version, since it's the only song he ever sang that I like.
Cheri
Mickey
But you've got to admit that there is an advantage to be obtained by
doing relatively obscure, but proven niche-successful covers of well
known songs. If the judges don't know the cover (or act like they don't)
the contestant comes off as a genius singer rather than a genius
imitator: two very different beasts. In such cases, a disclaimer from
Ryan does nothing but reduces the stain of imitation for fans who
already know the cover.
The Other Mickey
John Smith
"Shannon" <SPCr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Billie Jean right?
wtf, most useless critisicm possible.
Did you know that Brooke's song 'every breath you take' was
a rip off of a police song???????
CatNipped
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True. But I also give kudos for them knowing their "niche" well enough to
know *who* to imitate to best suit their voice and the style they want to
portray. Again I think that if these kids could create original
arrangements in the time they have to prepare they wouldn't need to be on
Idol. *Everything* they do is either an imitation or an imitation of an
imitation.
I don't think we'll ever again see a performance on Idol that's *not*
credited after the fallout from Chris Daughtry doing "Live's" cover of "Walk
The Line" - proof positive that somebody at Idol is reading the groups.
Hugs,
CatNipped
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> "Mickey" <mickey_and_ed...@sbcnomorephishglobal.net> wrote in message
>
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>
>
>
>
> > CatNipped wrote:
> >> "Shannon" <SPCro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
While I would love to think that TPTB reads ATAI, we are definitely
not the only ones who notice when a contestant's "inspired"
arrangement actually belongs to someone else. You see it mentioned in
all the the blogs doing post-performance coverage.
Callen in VA
Rob Usdin
validity to the points made, but just not stated properly.
What I find the issue with David Cook is, is that he tries to find
that alternate version of whatever song he is singing every single
week.
I don't have a problem with one of the Idols doing that every once in
a while. The idea is to try and make the song your own. Which many
of the Idols do. Brooke's arrangement of "Every Breath You Take" had
a unique "Brooke" feel to it. They either sing it their own way, or
they sing it straight, trying to bring out their own personality.
David Cook, OTOH - hasn't done one alternate arrangement himself. Now
- there's nothing wrong with that per se - but - when you do it every
week - people are going to start to notice. It affects his
reputation, and if he continues to do it - he will earn the reputation
as the "cover rip off" guy, rather than stand on his own merits.
It's his choice, but my advice to him is to find a song, and arrange
it himself next time.
--*Rob
Mike
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On Mar 26, 10:28 am, Shannon <SPCro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
> know this right?
>
> I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
> night, David Cook rips ideas off. Don't believe me?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2MgwAJrfXo<- Video added over a year
Mickey
But doesn't that really start to turn the contest in A&R Idol? It's bad
enough that they beat up someone like Chikezie for doing a straight
ahead cover and then reward someone else for merely having a broader
range of stuff in their itunes library.
> Again I think that if these kids could create original
> arrangements in the time they have to prepare they wouldn't need to be on
> Idol. *Everything* they do is either an imitation or an imitation of an
> imitation.
That's a little naive, too. The degree to which performers "develop"
their own arrangements varies widely, even among the elite. Even a group
as inventive as the Beatles relied on George Martin for significant
input into their arrangements. Many very good performers do little more
than give arrangements proposed for them a go or no go.
> I don't think we'll ever again see a performance on Idol that's *not*
> credited after the fallout from Chris Daughtry doing "Live's" cover of "Walk
> The Line" - proof positive that somebody at Idol is reading the groups.
>
True, but I think TPTB can still manipulate how much they wish to
highlight the cover issue depending on whether they are pimping or
depimping (exfoliating) a contestant.
The Other Mickey
Coast...@cshor.com
Well, since next week is country week, I hope he doesn't destroy the true
melodic structure of 'Achey Breaky Heart'! That would be a sacrilege!
--
Rehab is for Quitters
Kittyn
wrote:
Actually, he did his own version of Hello. Also, he changed up Happy
Together as well and put his own alternative rock spin on it.
Also his version last night was inspired by Cornell, but it was
definitely changed up quite a bit from that arrangement. I think the
credit was given because the arrangement was definitely more in the
feel of the latter version of the song rather than the original.
However, it is not like one couldn't tell the difference between
Cook's version and Cornell's. Cornell's had a softer feel, while
Cook's had more of a harder edge to it. Sure, Cook's was closer to
Cornell's version than Jackson's version, but that doesn't mean he
didn't put his own spin on it.
Mickey
Or do an obvious, well know cover. Good points.
The Other Mickey
briansgoogl...@yahoo.com
Revisit his 'Hello' performance, please.
Pidge
wrote:
Hello was also accused of being a cover ripoff. I remember reading posts about
it after he performed.
I'm thinking he's heard the complaints... because now he makes a point of
mentioning it's a cover of a cover. For country week, I would like to see him
be actually "brave," stretch himself and do a country song as a country song.
There's plenty of rock-oriented country out there.
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"CatNipped" <CatN...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message
I don't believe Chikeze's arrangement of "She's A Woman" ripped off anyone
else's version. It might not have been as sophisticated as Cornell's
re-arrangement of Billie Jean, but it was original and unique.
Rob Usdin
> Together as well and put his own alternative rock spin on it.
Hello done that way was originally done by Incubus. Search Youtube
for the Incubus in concert version.
--*Rob
Rob Usdin
> Revisit his 'Hello' performance, please.
Incubus - Hello
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSHM4-pEXxo
--*Rob
Peach
That version sounds a lot more like Lionel's version....David's did
not sound like that. Nice try, though. And if we want to bring up
Doxology...who the hell are they anyway? They should be grateful
David gave them their 15 minutes of fame.
Suzanne D.
"Penelope Baker" <penelop...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> The show is ABOUT doing covers.
You have to do covers, obviously, but if you're going to be praised for your
originality (as David was last night), you should be original.
Did anyone ever cover "Love is a Battlefield" like a soft pop ballad before
Brooke did it? Did anyone ever cover "I Just Wanna Be Your Everything" like
a folksy guitar song before Jason did it? There are singers on this show
who don't have to search for "their" types of artists doing covers of the
songs they sing. They are truly capable of making songs fit their styles,
whereas David apparently is not.
--S.
briansgoogl...@yahoo.com
Not quite.
iarwain
Billie Jean. The problem is that the judges praised him up and down
*as if* he wrote that arrangement himself. Calling him brave, for
example, and especially Simon saying he may be the most original
contestant on American Idol yet. Well, he's not that original, he's
doing someone eles's version. I'm not surprised Simon likes him
however, since he seems to be the second coming of Daughtry.
Personally, I think all the hoopla around taking a song and performing
it with a different feel to it is overblown. I don't think it's
*that* impressive. If you want, you can take a song from column A and
perform it in the style of column B - for example take My Heart Will
Go On and perform it to a reggae beat. Then sit back and watch the
judges fall all over themselves to proclaim you original and a genius.
Of course, they still have to sing the song well, which is the real
point after all, and David Cook did do that.
Judy Haffner
LOL Good one, Mike T.! :-) I knew you were a musician, but didn't
realize you were a artist also! Good job! There seems to be a large
influx of them this season!
Have A Good One!
Judy
Coast...@cshor.com
> "Penelope Baker" <penelop...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47ea61c2$0$13769
> Did anyone ever cover "Love is a Battlefield" like a soft pop ballad
> before Brooke did it? Did anyone ever cover "I Just Wanna Be Your
> Everything" like a folksy guitar song before Jason did it?
Every day in the shower
Coast...@cshor.com
Not even close. Incubus sounds like a wedding band covering Lionel Richie's
original arrangement. Cook's version had added dynamism.
Cure_Ewan
"Pidge" <pi...@antispam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hello was also accused of being a cover ripoff. I remember reading posts
> about
> it after he performed.
> I'm thinking he's heard the complaints... because now he makes a point of
> mentioning it's a cover of a cover. For country week, I would like to
> see him
> be actually "brave," stretch himself and do a country song as a country
> song.
> There's plenty of rock-oriented country out there.
>
The type of faux Alt-Rock that David does is very, very closely related to
country, so this wouldn't be much of a stretch.
briansgoogl...@yahoo.com
>
> You have to do covers, obviously, but if you're going to be praised for your
> originality (as David was last night), you should be original.
>
> Did anyone ever cover "Love is a Battlefield" like a soft pop ballad before
> Brooke did it? Did anyone ever cover "I Just Wanna Be Your Everything" like
> a folksy guitar song before Jason did it? There are singers on this show
> who don't have to search for "their" types of artists doing covers of the
> songs they sing. They are truly capable of making songs fit their styles,
> whereas David apparently is not.
> --S.
Excellent points S, and I think it also speaks to the comments that DC
is so "BRIGHT". I can't say he's a nitwit like Constantine was, but
exactly what evidence do we have that he's bright? He's simply doing
exactly what Suzanne says: finding covers of songs by artists that fit
his style and then covering those covers. Yes, he has done some
adaptation, but he has been starting with material that has already
been transformed by someone else, unlike Brooke and Jason.
Pidge
wrote:
The "Love is a Battlefield" version was covered by Benatar, as well.....on a
live album.
briansgoogl...@yahoo.com
>
> The "Love is a Battlefield" version was covered by Benatar, as well.....on a
> live album.
>
Benatar's is the most notable version, and it wasn't an unplugged
ballad (as was Brooke's). It was released as a single on that live
album.
Is there a different Benatar version than this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=j9J9rTZJBmw
?
Seon Ferguson
"CatNipped" <CatN...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote in message
> "Shannon" <SPCr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3cb7f031-465d-4717...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
>> Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
>> "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
>> arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
>> know this right?
>>
>> I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
>> night, David Cook rips ideas off. Don't believe me?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2MgwAJrfXo <- Video added over a year
>> ago.
>>
>> I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
>> not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
>> It's sad.
>>
>> ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
>
> Ryan clearly stated, as he introduced David, "doing Chris Cornell's
> version of Billy Jean" - if contestants could create their own, unique
> arrangements in the 3 days they're given, they wouldn't need to be on
> Idol, now would they?
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>
because there more suited to his style then the poppy original. I don't see
anything wrong with that plus yes Ryan did say it was Chris's version.
Oh and I'm only entering a defensive fan boy statement because for the past
few weeks he has been making great performances.
flkofcguls
flkofcguls
wrote:
> "Penelope Baker" <penelope_ba...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
I could kiss you for this post. It's one of the most spot on things
I've ever read on here. Thank you.
Vandar
> "Penelope Baker" <penelop...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:47ea61c2$0$13769
>
>>The show is ABOUT doing covers.
>
>
> You have to do covers, obviously, but if you're going to be praised for your
> originality (as David was last night), you should be original.
>
> Did anyone ever cover "Love is a Battlefield" like a soft pop ballad before
> Brooke did it?
Bigolhomo
<shep_he...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mar 26, 10:38 am, "CatNipped" <CatNip...@PossiblePlaces.com> wrote:
>> "Shannon" <SPCro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:3cb7f031-465d-4717...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Everyone here is aware that he ripped of Chris Cornell's version of
>> > Billie Jean right? Of course you all also realize that it was neither
>> > "brave" or "original". Chris Cornell wrote and started playing this
>> > arrangement last year. But of course all you top pop 50 music fans
>> > know this right?
>>
>> > I have said it before and I'll say it again, especially after last
>> > night, David Cook rips ideas off. Don't believe me?
>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2MgwAJrfXo<- Video added over a year
>> > ago.
>>
>> > I am so sad to see this guy stealing original ideas and arrangements,
>> > not giving any credit to the artists and then fans licking his balls.
>> > It's sad.
>>
>> > ENTER DEFENSIVE FANBOY STATEMENTS BELOW
>>
>> Ryan clearly stated, as he introduced David, "doing Chris Cornell's version
>> of Billy Jean" - if contestants could create their own, unique arrangements
>> in the 3 days they're given, they wouldn't need to be on Idol, now would
>> they?
>>
>> Hugs,
>>
>> CatNipped
>
>right... and don't forget that they had to choose a song from a
>particular year (their birth year). I'm not sure, but I would imagine
>the original version wouldn't meet this requirement, and the Cornell
>version probably did (I'm not looking this up!). So, it was necessary
>to make the version clear.
Did they ever explain how Syesha was able to a song from the early
70's for her birth year? I didn't hear anything on the show, but I'm
assuming someone covered it that year. They just never gave the
credit AFAIK.
--
Bigolhomo