Re: Hypocrisy And Double Standards
fille
> All I am trying to do is keep abreast of this controversy.
Groan! :-)
Ryan, I may be one of the only few who haven't bothered to look at
Antonella's photos but my feelings on the issue at hand are as
follows:
She may not have planned on the pics being shown to the public but by
the very nature that she allowed pics to be taken to begin with she
should at least realize there is always a risk of someone showing them
to the public at large. There isn't much "sacred" nowadays....
If she did nothing illegal then I personally don't care about these
photos and it doesn't make me like her or dislike her anymore than I
did before......
I don't think she is one of the better singers on the show and I won't
be upset if/when she gets voted off.
As to Pickler - I was a little taken aback by her ample frontage and
did wonder if she'd been enhanced. That being said, it's her choice to
flaunt - I don't hate her because of it but as a hetero female I have
to say I do get a bit tired of those puppies being front and center
with most celebrities these days. However, she does have a certain
appeal and seems like a nice enuf girl.
CC56
> I would contend that Kellie Pickler showed more of her boobs live last
> night than Antonella did in her pictures.
One can only wish that was so.
PeterL
> I was thinking about how there is such a double standard between
> Kellie Pickler and Antonella Barba in this newsgroup.
>
> I would contend that Kellie Pickler showed more of her boobs live last
> night than Antonella did in her pictures.
Pickler has more of it to show. Besides she didn't have any wardrobe
malfunction. No nip shot.
> The difference is that
> Antonella likely never intended these photos ever to be made public on
> the internet as they were and Kellie did intend to have her breasts
> seen. Whether they are implants or not, Kellie is likely proud of her
> mammaries and with good reason.
>
> SantaSteeler, Bob Rudd and others expressed outrage and indignation
> due to the sexual nature of the pictures and thought that she should
> get booted. But SantaSteeler also clearly commented about how much he
> enjoyed looking at Kellie's boobs.
>
> So what is the deal? Is it the nipples through the clothing? Is it the
> provocative poses?
>
> I suggest that those who are so indignant about Antonella and her
> pictures think about why they are not indignant about Kellie Pickler.
> And again Antonella had her breasts exposed to the world without her
> permission. To this point she has not revealed any significant breast
> on the show as opposed to Kellie who has.
>
> I say if you have 'em flaunt. I liked looking at both Kellie's and
> Antonella's boobs and hope we get to see more of them.
>
> All I am trying to do is keep abreast of this controversy.
>
> Ryan
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> 2006 ATAI Bragging Rights Champion
Shel-hed
>
>I say if you have 'em flaunt. I liked looking at both Kellie's and
>Antonella's boobs and hope we get to see more of them.
>
>All I am trying to do is keep abreast of this controversy.
Go here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg1dlncAomo
Hack it out until about 4:10. 8-)
If you want to see her sing better, try here-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqY2vpC3-S4
fille
> On 3 Mar 2007 04:20:34 -0800, "fille" <filledep...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Groan! :-)
> >Ryan, I may be one of the only few who haven't bothered to look at
> >Antonella's photos but my feelings on the issue at hand are as
> >follows:
> >She may not have planned on the pics being shown to the public but by
> >the very nature that she allowed pics to be taken to begin with she
> >should at least realize there is always a risk of someone showing them
> >to the public at large.
>
> Ok. Let us assume for the sake of discussion that she did realize that
> there was *some* possibility that these pictures would be posted on
> the internet in an effort to trash her.
>
> Life is full of risks. One cannot go through life so paranoid to do
> anything out of fear. I think it reasonable for her to think that the
> risk of someone posting those photos for the world to see would be
> pretty low especially if at the time she did not expect to get on
> American Idol. So it is perfectly understandable why she might want to
> have sexy pictures taken of her as she was proud of her body. It is
> not really that big of a deal except in hindsight IMO.
Yes - I agree with what you said and none of us should go thru life
being afraid to do things we want to do. And it's true that perhaps
for the bulk of us the risk would be low that our private photos would
turn up online for all the world to see. I'm simply saying that one
should at least be aware that there is still a risk that this "could"
happen and should proceed with caution.
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> >As to Pickler - I was a little taken aback by her ample frontage and
> >did wonder if she'd been enhanced.
>
> It looked to me that she gained quite a bit of weight. She used to
> have much smaller hips and butt. I would not be surprised if her
> breast enhancement is natural and due to weight gain and a pushup bra.
I had forgotten to some degree what Kelly looked like before but when
I saw some older photos it does look like she could have put on some
weight and perhaps, with a little help from Victoria's Secret, she
could be all natural.
>
> > That being said, it's her choice to
> >flaunt
>
> And if she was sexually assaulted would you say that she should
> realize that in this day and age you should not dress so provocatively
> so she is partially responsible?
I personally don't agree with people who dress so provocatively and
choose not to do so myself, but in reality - it isn't against the law
and is really a person's choice if they want to do that. Also, from
everything I've ever read about the crime of rape it is about power
and the sexual act is the means to an end. I don't feel it is how a
woman dresses that is to blame for this crime; however, there have
been rapes I've read about where the woman put herself in such a
compromising position that when she ended up being raped and then
cried for mercy one might wonder that if she hadn't used poor judgment
or allowed herself to be in such a situation that she may have not
been a victim.
Vandar
> On 3 Mar 2007 16:47:32 -0800, "fille" <fille...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Ok. Let us assume for the sake of discussion that she did realize that
>>>there was *some* possibility that these pictures would be posted on
>>>the internet in an effort to trash her.
>>>
>>>Life is full of risks. One cannot go through life so paranoid to do
>>>anything out of fear. I think it reasonable for her to think that the
>>>risk of someone posting those photos for the world to see would be
>>>pretty low especially if at the time she did not expect to get on
>>>American Idol. So it is perfectly understandable why she might want to
>>>have sexy pictures taken of her as she was proud of her body. It is
>>>not really that big of a deal except in hindsight IMO.
>>
>>
>>Yes - I agree with what you said and none of us should go thru life
>>being afraid to do things we want to do. And it's true that perhaps
>>for the bulk of us the risk would be low that our private photos would
>>turn up online for all the world to see. I'm simply saying that one
>>should at least be aware that there is still a risk that this "could"
>>happen and should proceed with caution.
>
>
> I completely agree. My main point was that I think that many people
> were being unfairly harsh toward Antonella simply for having these
> photos taken in the first place and that hindsight is 20:20.
> I place the complete blame with the person who uploaded the pictures
> of her in an obvious attempt to trash her.
You really like pretending to know the intent of person who posted them,
don't you?
fille
<snipped for some semblance of clarity>
> On 3 Mar 2007 16:47:32 -0800, "fille" <filledep...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Yes - I agree with what you said and none of us should go thru
life
> >being afraid to do things we want to do. And it's true that perhaps
> >for the bulk of us the risk would be low that our private photos would
> >turn up online for all the world to see. I'm simply saying that one
> >should at least be aware that there is still a risk that this "could"
> >happen and should proceed with caution.
>
> I completely agree. My main point was that I think that many people
> were being unfairly harsh toward Antonella simply for having these
> photos taken in the first place and that hindsight is 20:20.
> I place the complete blame with the person who uploaded the pictures
> of her in an obvious attempt to trash her.
Yeah, I think you are right about that. Again, I don't think anything
that Antonella did was illegal and although I think she used poor
judgment in posing in front of the WWII memorial (I think that's what
people are saying - again, I didn't view the pictures) but if her
intent was to just make some personal pics for herself or her
boyfriend then that's her choice. And yes, the person who is trying to
taint her image by putting these pics all over the internet is clearly
doing this to hurt her and I don't think too much of that.
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>
> >I personally don't agree with people who dress so provocatively and
> >choose not to do so myself,
>
> I am not sure what you mean by not agreeing. Do you think it is wrong
> for them to do it or just that you would not choose to do it yourself?
Yes, choose not to do it myself. It's not a "look" I really care for
personally but then how I choose to dress or look might not be
everyone's cup of tea either. But, to each his own.
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>
> > but in reality - it isn't against the law
> >and is really a person's choice if they want to do that. Also, from
> >everything I've ever read about the crime of rape it is about power
> >and the sexual act is the means to an end. I don't feel it is how a
> >woman dresses that is to blame for this crime;
>
> That is good to hear. Many people do fault women who get raped and
> dress provocatively. In fact if Antonella got raped I bet many in this
> group would be prone to blame her.
Well, if one were to look at some of the women who've been raped in
our society they would see that they are all kinds of women, with all
kinds of looks, ages, heights, weights et al. There have been,
unfortunately, many elderly women and residents of group homes etc.
who have been victims of this crime and I don't think many people
would fault these women for dressing provocatively.
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>
> > however, there have
> >been rapes I've read about where the woman put herself in such a
> >compromising position that when she ended up being raped and then
> >cried for mercy one might wonder that if she hadn't used poor judgment
> >or allowed herself to be in such a situation that she may have not
> >been a victim.
>
> Again hindsight is 20:20 but if a woman says no then that means no and
> if you force her then it is rape regardless of her poor judgment. I
> hope you would not blame a women for getting raped if she put herself
> into a bad situation due to poor judgment, If you would then please
> don't work in a rape crisis center. My point is that just like a woman is not responsible for being raped even if she uses poor judgment, Antonella is not responsible for someone uploading these pictures due to her lapse of judgment in having the pictures taken in the first place, if indeed that is what
it was.
Yes, I pretty much agree with everything you said, Ryan. I think I
just feel that grown women should be careful not to put themselves in
situations that are unsafe because it makes it easier for them to
become victims. That being said, it is still not really a fault issue
if someone decides to rape them. Just that people can try and be a
little safer or stay away from situations where these criminals might
be lurking - does that make sense?
Vandar
> On 4 Mar 2007 04:09:14 -0800, "fille" <fille...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>Yes, I pretty much agree with everything you said, Ryan. I think I
>>just feel that grown women should be careful not to put themselves in
>>situations that are unsafe because it makes it easier for them to
>>become victims.
>
>
> Of course. Even woman who are not grown should be careful. But
> regardless of how careful a woman is, shit happens. And regardless how
> much poor judgment a woman makes, if she is raped the fault lies with
> the rapist.
>
> And similarly woman should be careful about who they allow to have
> copies of revealing photos which if published publicly could be
> harmful to them. But regardless of whether they don't exercise enough
> care, the person who posts the pictures is at fault.
At fault of what, exactly?
Vandar
> Vandar seems to
be asking a question that you are deathly afraid of answering.
Answer the question or run along, junior.
Vandar
> The question has been asked and answered by me several times. I cannot
> help it that you don't like the answer.
You haven't answered it. All you've done is claim to know the
publisher's intent while grabbing yourself.
> Let it be noted that Vandar completely snipped my suggestion that
> maybe he is the one who uploaded the pictures.
Let it be noted that 90% of people here have good reason to think you're
an asshole and the other 10% haven't engaged you yet.
> I wonder who it is that is "deathly afraid"?
You, obviously.
> After all what would I
> be deathly afraid of with respect to that question.
We'll work on that after you finish avoiding answering the first question.
> However if it
> indeed it was Vandar who uploaded those photos, he sure might be
> "deathly afraid" to answer it or even have the question out there for
> others to see which could explain why he was so quick to snip it out.
I snip it because it's fucking childish, Ryan.
I apologize for actually thinking you'd be man enough to answer a simple
question. I won't make that mistake again.
> More food for thought.
You do realize that you're making yourself look like a tool, don't you?
fille
> On 4 Mar 2007 04:09:14 -0800, "fille" <filledep...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Yes, I pretty much agree with everything you said, Ryan. I think I
> >just feel that grown women should be careful not to put themselves in
> >situations that are unsafe because it makes it easier for them to
> >become victims.
> Of course. Even woman who are not grown should be careful. But
> regardless of how careful a woman is, shit happens. And regardless how
> much poor judgment a woman makes, if she is raped the fault lies with
> the rapist.
Yes, all the precautions one takes in life won't necessarily keep them
100% safe from thugs, rapists, murders et al. But it makes more sense
to at least try to be as safe as you can and use common sense when out
in the world.
>
> And similarly woman should be careful about who they allow to have
> copies of revealing photos which if published publicly could be
> harmful to them. But regardless of whether they don't exercise enough
> care, the person who posts the pictures is at fault.
Yes, I'm not blaming Antonella for the exposure she's been getting due
to someone just deciding they would take it upon themselves to put
them all over the internet without her approval. But this should serve
as a lesson to others out there to just be aware that even when you
think pictures or videos you take are just for "private" viewing you
take a risk that someone will turn on you one day and make them
public. You know how it is - some people have no lives and to make
themselves feel better or important they have to hurt someone else.
These people, to me, are taking up valuable air. :-)
Vandar
> I understand that you think that I have not adequately answered it.
The next step is that you understand that you haven't.
>>>Let it be noted that Vandar completely snipped my suggestion that
>>>maybe he is the one who uploaded the pictures.
>>
>>Let it be noted that 90% of people here have good reason to think you're
>>an asshole and the other 10% haven't engaged you yet.
>
>
> There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Thanx for proving the wisdom
> of that aphorism.
>
>>> I wonder who it is that is "deathly afraid"?
>>
>>You, obviously.
>>
>>
>>>After all what would I
>>>be deathly afraid of with respect to that question.
>>
>>We'll work on that after you finish avoiding answering the first question.
>>
>>
>>>However if it
>>>indeed it was Vandar who uploaded those photos, he sure might be
>>>"deathly afraid" to answer it or even have the question out there for
>>>others to see which could explain why he was so quick to snip it out.
>>
>>I snip it because it's fucking childish, Ryan.
>
>
> Sorry. I will try to emulate your level of maturity Vandar.
All you could do is try.
>>I apologize for actually thinking you'd be man enough to answer a simple
>>question. I won't make that mistake again.
>
>
> No need to apologize.
>
> It is tough to be as manly as you Vandar. I could only aspire to
> such virility.
You don't have the capacity to aspire to such heights.
>>>More food for thought.
>>
>>You do realize that you're making yourself look like a tool, don't you?
>
>
> It looks like Vandar is having second thoughts about "Betelgeusing" my
> return:-) It also appears as if Vandar is getting a bit hot under the
> collar.
I've said it before. You speculate WAAAY too much.
> I will say that it is curious that Vandar is so upset about his
> perception that I have not adequately explained why I believe that the
> uploading of the pictures was very likely done to hurt/humiliate
> Antonella and that the person who did it is a jerk. He seems
> particularly concerned that I have besmirched the motivation of the
> anonymous uploader. He also seemed unusually defensive about my
> suggesting that it might be him. Food for thought:-)
Still no answer from laughingstock of ATAI.