Summary/Review "Cro-Magnon" -- SPOILERS
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"Cro-Magnon"
Air date: January 5, 1998
Summary/Review by Dana Hagerty
(spoiler space)
It's a good thing this show airs at 9:00 p.m. Eastern. I'm too terrified
to see what kinds of things Renee would get away with saying if this
aired at 10:00!
For those who are reading this summary because they missed the show,
before I get into it, I want to tell you about something that will come
up later. If you get e-mail, and you have friends that send you those
really weird e-mail programs, you will probably be familiar with this.
If you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, then I probably won't
be able to explain it very well. There's a computer program that gets
e-mailed around, where a weird-looking computerized baby dances. Believe
it or not, that program was incorporated into this show. I'll explain
later.
We begin with Ally and Renee in sculpting class. The nude model they've
been sculpting is replaced with a new model, Glenn. Glenn disrobes,
Ally's eyes almost pop out of her head, and Renee exclaims: "I might need
a touch more clay!"
The next day, when Ally tells Georgia about the model, she asks, "is it
real?" Ally admits she didn't get up there and biopsy it, but yes, she
believes she saw enough of it to say it is real. Billy joins the group
to ask Georgia if she wants to come with him and the guys to McCall's
Friday night to watch boxing. Georgia informs Billy that she thinks she
wants to take up sculpting. Billy didn't hear the earlier conversation,
so he isn't sure where this is coming from, but he wonders about it.
Ally goes over to talk with Richard, her new client, Clint Gill, and his
father, Austin. Austin is angry because he doesn't believe his son
should enter a guilty plea. He wonders what will happen when his son
tries to apply to medical school and they find out he has a record.
Richard says they will tell him to apply to law school. Ally tells the
Gill's that the only way to avoid a record is to try the case and win,
and, well, six people did see him throw the punch. Mr. Gill says it was
just a fight at a party, but Ally reminds him that the fight broke
another kid's cheekbone. Richard tells them there has to be another
alternative, and that when Ally goes into her office to concentrate, he
is always amazed at what she comes up with.
When Ally enters her office, she is surprised to find Cage leaning down
behind her desk. Her gasp startles him, and he rises, telling Ally that
he dropped his Papermate. He admits he isn't there on a work-related
matter, and asks her to dinner with him Saturday night. She accepts.
Then Richard comes in to inform them that he wants Cage to assist Ally on
the assault case.
Georgia has changed into an old pair of jeans and a slightly revealing
sweater, and Billy asks if that's what she is wearing to sculpting class.
Georgia asks him if he wants her to get clay on her suit. Billy thinks
he knows why she is suddenly interested in this class - because there are
naked men. However, Elaine clears the air by announcing that it's only
one naked man, and he's got a trunk like Dumbo's. At this announcement,
Billy tells Georgia he doesn't want her to go. He says he's surprised
they are taking this class just because the model has a big penis, and
Ally defends herself by reminding Billy that she signed up for the class
before she saw it.
Now, here's the part I was telling you about earlier. Ally starts
hearing men chanting "Oooga oooga, chucka, oooga oooga, chucka". She
looks over to the side, and sees the little computerized baby, dancing.
Then, the chanting changes to a man singing "Hooked on a Feeling". When
Ally looks away from the dancing baby, everyone wonders if she's okay.
Well, I'm not sure how they did it, but Georgia does go to the class with
Ally. While they sculpt, Georgia admits that if she were single, she
would just ask him out. Ally remarks that married, off-the-market people
are usually the bravest. The chanting starts up again, as Renee attempts
to attach the clay penis she has been rolling around in her hands. It
falls off. Renee complains that she just "can't do this guy according to
scale - gravity keeps screwing it up". Ally decides to leave to prepare
her case.
As Ally works on her case in her bedroom, (by the way, she wears flannel
pajamas with sheep on them), she starts to fall asleep, and is awakened
by the "oooga chucka, oooga oooga, oooga chucka". The baby is next to
her bed, again dancing to "Hooked on a Feeling".
At court the next day, Clint tells Ally that he understands there are
risks involved by going with a not guilty plea. She imagines kissing and
undressing him, then asks herself, "what's wrong with me, he's only 19?"
Wayne, the victim, is the first to take the stand. The District Attorney
asks him if he challenged the defendant. He says no. The DA asks him if
he had any dialogue with the defendant. Wayne says he only told Clint
that it was between himself and the defendant's date, who happened to be
his ex-girlfriend. Wayne says that they had dated for two years, and
they had only broken up two days before. He was upset with her because
she was already with another guy, and she was kissing him at the party.
Wayne admits that he and Clint continued to have words, and that Clint
asked him to back off. When he didn't, Clint hit him.
On cross, Ally asks Wayne if he called his ex-girlfriend a slut, to which
he admits. She asks him if he were in Clint's position, what would he
have done. He says he would have walked away. When Ally attempts to
explain that, because she is single, she would appreciate being protected
that way, and the DA objects, Ally finds herself troubled, and announces
that she would like to take a moment. She pinches her nose and looks
down at the floor.
Ally and Renee are getting coffee when Glenn, the model, comes up to Ally
and asks if she is in the class. Surprised to see him, Ally burns her
tongue with her coffee. He introduces himself as one of the models,
(duh), and after Renee asks him "how's it hanging?", Ally tells him that
he looks different. He says "with clothes on", and Ally giggles a little
and answers "yeah". Ally burns her tongue again, and Glenn asks to see
it. She sticks it out a bit, and Glenn agrees that it looks a little
scalded. He offers to take her out for a cold gimlet later.
Back at the office, Georgia is surprised that Ally is going out with
Glenn, and Ally reminds her that the previous evening she was all for it.
Georgia tells Ally, "just don't get hurt", to which Ally, Georgia, Renee
and Elaine all giggle. When Billy comes in and asks what is going on,
Elaine informs him that Ally has a date with "Long John Silver". Billy
asks the girls if size really matters. Georgia, Ally and Elaine all
answer no, while Renee sticks up her pinky and remarks "all I need".
Later, in Ally's office, Cage tells her that when she "took a moment", he
felt as if he were being ridiculed. She explains to him that she tried
it because she's seen how it works for him, and he should be flattered.
At this point, Ally watches the baby run out of her office. Cage then
tells Ally that he knows she is going on another date, and in a
wonderful, embarrassingly long speech, tells her that if she has
relations with other men, he doesn't care to be briefed. She tells him,
"ditto".
In the unisex, Richard tells Billy that after women marry and have kids,
they don't want any part of a man's penis. Billy asks Richard if he ever
measured himself, and they both admit to it. Then Billy asks Richard if
he ever wonders if he's good in bed. Richard says he knows he is,
because he's always satisfied.
At home, Ally has told Renee about the dancing baby. Renee tells Ally
that she isn't having a breakdown, instead, she's hearing her biological
clock.
In court the next day, Clint is on the stand, explaining how Wayne
accused his date of cheating on him when they were dating, and asked her
how many more men she was going to sleep with that night. The District
Attorney is able to get Clint to admit that Wayne never got physical with
him.
Georgia goes into the unisex, and Billy is getting ready to come out. He
asks her if she will drive on Friday in case he drinks. He asks a few
more questions, then out of the blue asks if he satisfies her in bed.
Georgia is caught off guard, and after she looks under all the stalls to
make sure they are alone, she tells Billy that she is a very satisfied
woman.
Back in court, Dr. John Emburg, a clinical psychologist, is sworn in.
Cage stands up as if to ask him a question, then pauses, for a very long
time. When the judge finally says something, Cage says he has no
questions. His client's father is angry, but Cage tells them he knows
what he's doing. In the elevator alone with Ally, she asks Cage if he
knows what he's doing and he says he does.
Ally and Glenn are having a drink in the bar downstairs from the firm.
We discover that he's a professional snowboarder, and because of that, he
travels a lot. Modeling helps to pay a few bills. At home, Ally and
Renee sit on Ally's bed together, and Ally admits that she would have
gone to bed with Glenn. She adds that he's leaving the country on
Sunday.
In another house, in another bed, Billy and Georgia are side-by-side, on
their backs. Billy says he's sorry and Georgia tells him not to
apologize. Actually, she's surprised this hasn't happened before,
because, doesn't it happen to all men? She tells Billy that the idea of
him being insecure with her, instead of her being insecure with him,
makes her feel good.
Ally is awakened to the beginning of Queen's "We Will Rock You". She
wakes up and starts yelling at the dancing baby, which this time she only
hears scampering back and forth. Renee comes in, and when Ally tells her
she is trying to catch the baby, Renee tells Ally that she needs to "go
with Glenn, go with life, and go to sleep".
The next day, Renee reminds Ally that she will be gone that evening
because she's going skiing. She asks if she will miss anything, and Ally
assures her that if she does, she will let her read her journal. They
tell each other to "break a leg".
In court, Cage gives the closing argument, and asks the jury, "what was
he supposed to do?" He explains that he didn't ask the doctor any
questions because he decided that the jury didn't really need some
specialist to educate them about human nature. Man is part warrior, he
says. He goes on to tell the jury about something that happened to him
when he was 13. He was standing in line at the movies, and another boy
cut in front of him. The boy was bigger than he was, and he did nothing
about it. Then, about three years ago, Cage was in a bar and a man
heading for the men's room bumped his shoulder. The man, who was larger
than Cage, was at fault, but he called Cage an idiot. After a few words
were exchanged, the man pushed Cage, and in that moment, he became the
boy at that movie theater. Cage pushed him back, and when the guy came
forward to hit Cage, he punched him in the jaw. He tells the jury that
as a man, the most satisfying moment of his life was that punch. He then
tells them to admit to themselves that they are glad his client threw
that punch.
Back at the office, Ally tells the guys that Cage's closing speech was
his best ever. (I would have to agree.) The guys (and Elaine) are all
smoking cigars (it's fight night, that's the only time they can smoke
them in the office), when Elaine tells them the verdict is in. Cage has
joined Ally, and they turn to enter the elevator. The dancing baby tries
to get in the elevator with them, and Ally jumps. Cage asks her what she
is seeing, and she tells him. He tells her that he had a therapist who
told him to confront his hallucinations. He had a dead aunt who wanted
him to have tea with her and he stopped the hallucinations by having tea
with her.
In court, the jury finds Clint not guilty of misdemeanor battery.
In the last segment of the show, we go back and forth between Ally and
Glenn on their date, and Cage, Richard, Billy, Georgia and Elaine
watching the fight. After Ally and Glenn dance at the bar, they walk back
to her place, and play "Heart and Soul" together on the piano. They look
into each other's eyes, kiss, and end up on the floor in front of the
fireplace. Everything begins to happen in slow-motion, as we go between
the boxing match, and the other "sweat-fest" happening back at Ally's
place. The boxing match is over in one round. And, considering that
Ally is showering alone later that night, I'd say her match was over in
one round, too.
After her shower, Ally comes out of the bathroom in her flannel pajamas,
and when she hears the chanting again, she's had it. She yells to the
dancing baby to get out here and dance with her. The baby comes running
into the room, and they dance together.
Bits and Pieces:
Okay, how weird was that dancing baby? The first time I saw it, I
thought, what in the world is Kelley thinking? But I do have to admit,
it grew on me. I just never imagined I would see that silly computer
program incorporated into a television show. But I'm sure that tomorrow,
I will hum "Hooked on a Feeling" all day long.
We learn that Ally is 27 years old. (So, by the way, is Glenn.) Maybe
that will be enough to appease all those people who think that Ally
doesn't act like a professional all the time. For heavens sake, she
hasn't been in the business that long, and she's still learning, so give
her a break.
While in the shower, Ally tells herself that she never imagined herself
ever wanting to make love to someone, and not wanting to wake up next to
him in the morning. She says "and he knew it too. He knew it from the
start." So, she was just horny. While I don't agree with how it looks,
especially to some of the younger viewers, Ally's not the first person to
sleep with someone just for sex.
I was glad to see that Billy was not affected by Ally going on a date
with Glenn. I wasn't surprised that Cage had something to say about it,
but I guess I always assumed we would see Billy have some kind of
feelings about Ally being sexually interested in another guy. I'm
pleased that he was more concerned about his relationship with Georgia.
Glenn was played by Michael Easton. He may be familiar to fans of "Days
of Our Lives". He was also on "VR.5" and "413 Hope Street".
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Collin Freeman
mis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> We begin with Ally and Renee in sculpting class. The nude model they've
> been sculpting is replaced with a new model, Glenn. Glenn disrobes,
> Ally's eyes almost pop out of her head, and Renee exclaims: "I might need
> a touch more clay!"
Renee cracks me up! She says what she thinks, and makes a nice contrast
to Ally.
> At court the next day, Clint tells Ally that he understands there are
> risks involved by going with a not guilty plea. She imagines kissing and
> undressing him, then asks herself, "what's wrong with me, he's only 19?"
I liked this dream scene. Don't ask me why. Maybe it's because Ally
can be so uninhibited in her thoughts, but she can't in real life.
> On cross, Ally asks Wayne if he called his ex-girlfriend a slut, to which
> he admits. She asks him if he were in Clint's position, what would he
> have done. He says he would have walked away. When Ally attempts to
> explain that, because she is single, she would appreciate being protected
> that way, and the DA objects, Ally finds herself troubled, and announces
> that she would like to take a moment. She pinches her nose and looks
> down at the floor.
Wasn't this great? Although I'm a little surprised she used this
technique so soon.
> Ally and Renee are getting coffee when Glenn, the model, comes up to Ally
> and asks if she is in the class. Surprised to see him, Ally burns her
> tongue with her coffee. He introduces himself as one of the models,
> (duh), and after Renee asks him "how's it hanging?"
This bothered me a little. I think a comment like that in public to a
model is a little insulting. I think Renee was too bold with this
question. I take it Glenn didn't mind because he had his mind on
getting Ally at that moment and enjoyed the strokes to his ego.
> Back at the office, Georgia is surprised that Ally is going out with
> Glenn, and Ally reminds her that the previous evening she was all for it.
> Georgia tells Ally, "just don't get hurt", to which Ally, Georgia, Renee
> and Elaine all giggle. When Billy comes in and asks what is going on,
> Elaine informs him that Ally has a date with "Long John Silver". Billy
> asks the girls if size really matters. Georgia, Ally and Elaine all
> answer no, while Renee sticks up her pinky and remarks "all I need".
Another good scene! Talk about double-standards! I like how Kelley
breaks away certain myths about women. The "sex" myth is perfect target
in this show.
> At home, Ally has told Renee about the dancing baby. Renee tells Ally
> that she isn't having a breakdown, instead, she's hearing her biological
> clock.
Isn't it a little early for Ally to be worried about her biological
clock? This is the 90s. The average age of people getting married
these days is 27, which is Ally's age (although Calista is 33), so why
the worry so soon?
> Ally and Glenn are having a drink in the bar downstairs from the firm.
Here is one time where I think the complainers about always using this
bar were justified. Does Ally always have to go here, even on a date?
I would think this one time she would want to go somewhere else.
> The next day, Renee reminds Ally that she will be gone that evening
> because she's going skiing. She asks if she will miss anything, and Ally
> assures her that if she does, she will let her read her journal. They
> tell each other to "break a leg".
You forgot the comment Renee made about her own "ass". What was that
all about? You know, for as much as she talks about sex and kids Ally,
I don't see Renee living the wild life.
> Back at the office, Ally tells the guys that Cage's closing speech was
> his best ever. (I would have to agree.)
So would I. Way to go, John!!!
> In the last segment of the show, we go back and forth between Ally and
> Glenn on their date, and Cage, Richard, Billy, Georgia and Elaine
> watching the fight. After Ally and Glenn dance at the bar, they walk back
> to her place, and play "Heart and Soul" together on the piano. They look
> into each other's eyes, kiss, and end up on the floor in front of the
> fireplace. Everything begins to happen in slow-motion, as we go between
> the boxing match, and the other "sweat-fest" happening back at Ally's
> place. The boxing match is over in one round. And, considering that
> Ally is showering alone later that night, I'd say her match was over in
> one round, too.
So what we had here was basically a one-night stand for both people.
Big deal. This all happened to Ally too soon. It's only half-way
through the first season. OK, she got laid. Now what? I swear if
David Kelley plays the pregnant card, I will stop watching.
> Bits and Pieces:
>
> While in the shower, Ally tells herself that she never imagined herself
> ever wanting to make love to someone, and not wanting to wake up next to
> him in the morning. She says "and he knew it too. He knew it from the
> start." So, she was just horny. While I don't agree with how it looks,
> especially to some of the younger viewers, Ally's not the first person to
> sleep with someone just for sex.
Yes, and in a way, I liked the regret she had and how Kelley showed that
one-night stands are nothing more than that. After they're over, what
have you got? Romance? Companionship? Doubtful. You're left empty
again. It also showed how women let their hormones make their decisions
for them on occasion like men typically do.
--
_______________________________________________________
Collin Freeman, Pharm.D., BCPS
UMKC School of Medicine,
2411 Holmes St., M5-307,
Kansas City, MO 64108
"I am NOT a number, I am a FREE MAN!" — Patrick McGoohan, The Prisoner
Brad Dancer
Collin Freeman wrote in message <34B1EE...@cctr.umkc.edu>...
>mis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> At home, Ally has told Renee about the dancing baby. Renee tells Ally
>> that she isn't having a breakdown, instead, she's hearing her biological
>> clock.
>
>Isn't it a little early for Ally to be worried about her biological
>clock? This is the 90s. The average age of people getting married
>these days is 27, which is Ally's age (although Calista is 33), so why
>the worry so soon?
Why is it too early? What does marriage have to do with it? You can have
your biological clock go off at 22 and not get married until 30 (or vice
versa).
Besides that, I really didn't see it as her biological clock, she certainly
didn't seem to have any wishes for children.
Brad
JP
mis...@yahoo.com had this to say:
>|While in the shower, Ally tells herself that she never imagined herself
>|ever wanting to make love to someone, and not wanting to wake up next to
>|him in the morning. She says "and he knew it too. He knew it from the
>|start." So, she was just horny. While I don't agree with how it looks,
>|especially to some of the younger viewers, Ally's not the first person to
>|sleep with someone just for sex.
It was nice seeing one of Ally's dates work out for once and she actually
gets laid! Maybe she will relax a little now! ;-)
-=-John-=-
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iNetSpy
JP wrote in message <68u0du$lnj$3...@ramp2.tir.com>...
>>|ever wanting to make love to someone, and not wanting to wake up next to
>>|him in the morning. She says "and he knew it too. He knew it from the
>>|start." So, she was just horny. While I don't agree with how it looks,
>>|especially to some of the younger viewers, Ally's not the first person to
>>|sleep with someone just for sex.
>
>gets laid! Maybe she will relax a little now! ;-)
Relax? Poor Biscuit is going to have to tie a life line if he expects to
stand a chance. The only thing missing from this show that I have seen in
other shows (JAG) is the safe sex message.
Two Officers on JAG decide they are going to do it, so they exchange HIV
test scores (phew) they both passed.
What was she thinking diving in bed with "Hunk the toolman, Tyler?" You
only live once, but if you don't live while the G2 is engaged at the same
time you may not live very long. Just a thought, and no I am a far step
from a prude...
P.S. to MissDay, before the show started they posted the Parental warning.
The show comes on at 9 P.M. if you allow your kids to stay up that late and
they are not prepping for school it is because they are old enough for
anything on TV, IMHO.
Michael J. Pfeffer
mis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> While in the shower, Ally tells herself that she never imagined herself
> ever wanting to make love to someone, and not wanting to wake up next to
> him in the morning. She says "and he knew it too. He knew it from the
> start." So, she was just horny. While I don't agree with how it looks,
> especially to some of the younger viewers, Ally's not the first person to
> sleep with someone just for sex.
As one of the "younger viewers" (I'm 15), I didn't percieve it wrongly.
I associate Ally with holding out for sex, not sleeping with everyone in
sight. I mean, why take after Renee?
-MJP
--
Michael J. Pfeffer- McBealist, reader, writer,
Darian, Military man, all-around nice guy.
PontGuy83
I think that this episode was generally interesting, especially the dancing
baby. Lots of other little bits here and there too. But onto the reason I am
posting.
iNETSpy wrote:
> The only thing missing from this show that I have seen in
>other shows (JAG) is the safe sex message.
>
>Two Officers on JAG decide they are going to do it, so they exchange HIV
>test scores (phew) they both passed.
>What was she thinking diving in bed with "Hunk the toolman, Tyler?" You
>only live once, but if you don't live while the G2 is engaged at the same
>time you may not live very long.
First of all, for those in the military, HIV test are required, MANDATORY, at
least yearly. Referring to JAG, I have never seen the show, but having been in
the military I am familiar with the promiscuity that abounds. Sure they were
being realistic in your depition; but do they have to let everyone know that
these two officers practice safe sex? No they do not, these shows are for a
mature aduience that, IF responsible enough to have sex will be smart enough to
be safe, if not to prevent disease, then to prevent pregnacy.
As for Ally, I do not think that she would go lightly in to casual sex. In one
scene we see here with a contraceptive of some sort (was it a jelly or
spermicide?). So we didnt see her with condoms! Big deal, Remember also that
we did not see any penetration, therefor you could easily say that there was no
intercourse, is it safe, it becomes a matter of degrees actually. We have to
assume that Ally was safe; We also need to realize that the point of the show
was to show everyones tendencies to lose control of their urges.
It was a very interesting show to say the least.
I wll stop rambling now.
Tony
ShadZ
In article <884068299....@dejanews.com>,<snip>
> As Ally works on her case in her bedroom, (by the way, she wears flannel
> pajamas with sheep on them), she starts to fall asleep, and is awakened
> by the "oooga chucka, oooga oooga, oooga chucka". The baby is next to
> her bed, again dancing to "Hooked on a Feeling".
I thought her pajamas had fluffy white CLOUDS on them . . . on a blue
background, they looked like a skyscape (or the wallpaper in Toy Story)
ShadZ
^Q^
Richard Wentz
ShadZ wrote in message <884129325....@dejanews.com>...
>In article <884068299....@dejanews.com>,
> mis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> "Cro-Magnon"
>> Air date: January 5, 1998
>> Summary/Review by Dana Hagerty
>>
><snip>
>> As Ally works on her case in her bedroom, (by the way, she wears flannel
>> pajamas with sheep on them), she starts to fall asleep, and is awakened
>> by the "oooga chucka, oooga oooga, oooga chucka". The baby is next to
>> her bed, again dancing to "Hooked on a Feeling".
>
>I thought her pajamas had fluffy white CLOUDS on them . . . on a blue
>background, they looked like a skyscape (or the wallpaper in Toy Story)
>
>ShadZ
>^Q^
>
She was wearing some pajamas from Victoria's Secret that have clouds on
them. Not that I got a good look...
Rich
-- "Of course I'm good in bed, I'm always satisfied"
J. Webb
In article <19980106233...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
pont...@aol.com (PontGuy83) wrote:
> We have to
> assume that Ally was safe; We also need to realize that the point of the show
> was to show everyones tendencies to lose control of their urges.
We may or may not assume this. The fact is, unprotected sex is extremely
dangerous and still practiced with or without the awareness of the
consequences. Beating people over the head with it is always worthwhile
*in my opinion*. The fact that Ally and her partner 'lose control' is all
the more reason. Losing control and having unprotected sex even once can
lead to deadly results. At the very least a lifetime of uncertainty and
pain.
I have worked with youth for the past 20 years and realize all to well the
perception of invincibility.
It would only take a second and who knows what impact it might have. Just
to make viewers think(not just kids having unprotected sex!!!).
stepping off soap box... right onto a huge piece of gum.
regards,
J. Webb
jw...@netdepot.com
Atlanta Mac User Group
joe_...@atlmug.org
David Fung
She had two different sets of pajamas - you're both right. The cloud
outfit was during the final dancing baby scene.
David Fung
ShadZ <sh...@rocketmail.com> wrote in article
<884129325....@dejanews.com>...
> In article <884068299....@dejanews.com>,
> mis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > "Cro-Magnon"
> > Air date: January 5, 1998
> > Summary/Review by Dana Hagerty
> >
> <snip>
> > As Ally works on her case in her bedroom, (by the way, she wears
flannel
> > pajamas with sheep on them), she starts to fall asleep, and is awakened
> > by the "oooga chucka, oooga oooga, oooga chucka". The baby is next to
> > her bed, again dancing to "Hooked on a Feeling".
>
> I thought her pajamas had fluffy white CLOUDS on them . . . on a blue
> background, they looked like a skyscape (or the wallpaper in Toy Story)
>
> ShadZ
> ^Q^
>
Matt Ackeret
>Air date: January 5, 1998
>Summary/Review by Dana Hagerty
Suggestion -- maybe a *bit too much detail* in the summary/review..
(I know I did a book report about this detailed, once, early in grade
school.. That's *not* meant to be a put-down, just that I know how it can
be to go into too much detail --- but something like the old "er" or "NYPD Blue"
reviews would be good!)
>really weird e-mail programs, you will probably be familiar with this.
>If you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, then I probably won't
>be able to explain it very well. There's a computer program that gets
>e-mailed around, where a weird-looking computerized baby dances. Believe
Actually it's just a QuickTime movie I believe, not a program.. Could
be wrong though.
>and asks if she is in the class. Surprised to see him, Ally burns her
>tongue with her coffee. He introduces himself as one of the models,
>(duh), and after Renee asks him "how's it hanging?", Ally tells him that
>he looks different. He says "with clothes on", and Ally giggles a little
>and answers "yeah". Ally burns her tongue again, and Glenn asks to see
Uhh, I thought she was faking about burning her tongue. (Yes I know
he looked at her tongue.. But she sure looked like she was doing a
"nervous" movement.)
>Glenn was played by Michael Easton. He may be familiar to fans of "Days
>of Our Lives". He was also on "VR.5" and "413 Hope Street".
VR.5! That's where I knew him from!
--
mat...@area.com
Dana
> >Air date: January 5, 1998
> >Summary/Review by Dana Hagerty
>
> (I know I did a book report about this detailed, once, early in grade
> school.. That's *not* meant to be a put-down, just that I know how it can
> reviews would be good!)
>
All I have to say about this is: I can't win. Some people, like you,
say there is too much detail, and others ask me why I missed something
or other. So, I'm probably not going to change my summary/review much.
There may be times when I don't feel as if the episode deserves a lot of
detail, and other times when I feel like it only makes sense if I
re-write the whole thing. I do, however, always appreciate the input. :
)
> >really weird e-mail programs, you will probably be familiar with this.
> >If you don't have any clue what I'm talking about, then I probably won't
> >be able to explain it very well. There's a computer program that gets
> >e-mailed around, where a weird-looking computerized baby dances.
>
> Actually it's just a QuickTime movie I believe, not a program.. Could
> be wrong though.
>
I couldn't remember exactly what it was at the time. Thanks!
-- Dana
mis...@yahoo.com
Dana's Ally McBeal Page: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2927/
BelleSoCal
pont...@aol.com (PontGuy83) wrote:
>> As for Ally, I do not think that she would go lightly in to casual sex. In
one scene we see here with a contraceptive of some sort (was it a jelly or
spermicide?). <<
It was spermicidal jelly that she (we assume mistakenly) was accused of
stealing.
>> So we didnt see her with condoms! Big deal, Remember also that we did not
see any penetration, therefor you could easily say that there was no
intercourse, is it safe, it becomes a matter of degrees actually. <<
What BULL ... I mean, really, now ... we saw *no* indication of anything other
THAN intercourse. And you can catch STDs from any kind of sex in which bodily
fluids are involved, including oral sex and others which I won't mention here
...
>> We have to assume that Ally was safe; We also need to realize that the point
of the show was to show everyones tendencies to lose control of their urges. <<
Why do we *have* to assume this? I realize that the point at the end was to
show how we can all "lose control" (The Biscuit was certainly not his regular
self during the boxing match!), but there were ample opportunities for the
topic of safe sex to be introduced (specifically, when Renee was leaving for
her ski trip and asking Ally to be sure and let her know all the details ...
"You *do* intend to practice safe sex, doncha grrrlfriend?")
Beverly
************************************************
"If I'm not mistaken, I think this is a clue."
Mulder to Scully, "Kitsunegari"
************************************************
JP
"iNetSpy" <iNe...@erols.com> had this to say:
>>It was nice seeing one of Ally's dates work out for once and she actually
>>gets laid! Maybe she will relax a little now! ;-)
>|Relax? Poor Biscuit is going to have to tie a life line if he expects to
>|stand a chance. The only thing missing from this show that I have seen in
>|other shows (JAG) is the safe sex message.
Well, Biscuit made it quite clear that he did NOT want to know about any
of Ally's other love interests, and Ally agreed, so he will probably never
know the details about the model. I can't see Ally and Biscuit getting
real serious anyway.
>|Two Officers on JAG decide they are going to do it, so they exchange HIV
>|test scores (phew) they both passed.
>|
>|What was she thinking diving in bed with "Hunk the toolman, Tyler?" You
>|only live once, but if you don't live while the G2 is engaged at the same
>|time you may not live very long. Just a thought, and no I am a far step
>|from a prude...
>|P.S. to MissDay, before the show started they posted the Parental warning.
>|The show comes on at 9 P.M. if you allow your kids to stay up that late and
>|they are not prepping for school it is because they are old enough for
>|anything on TV, IMHO.
Why in the hell does everyone think that every single show on TV has to be
"educational" for our children? You should not let children be taught
from the TV. I watched that show with my 15 year old daughter. I didn't
so much as blink during that scene. You know why? Because MY WIFE AND I
TAUGHT HER MORALS. She knows that casual sex is hazardous to your health,
she knows very well the implications of pregnancy if she doesn't use
protection, and she knows the moral value of waiting until she is married
before having sex. You know where she learned all of this? SHE LEARNED
IT FROM HER PARENTS! Not from a TV show.
She knows the difference between TV and life. Life is real, TV is for
entertainment. TV is _not_ real. If you have not taught your children
all of this, then shame on you for letting the television take the place
of parental guidance.
[soapbox mode off]
Clay D.
In article <no_email_address_here_t...@atlnap-150.netdepot.com>,
J. Webb <no_email_addres...@SPAM.com> wrote:
>In article <19980106233...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>pont...@aol.com (PontGuy83) wrote:
>
>> assume that Ally was safe; We also need to realize that the point of the show
>> was to show everyones tendencies to lose control of their urges.
Actually, we have absolutely nothing to indicate that they were safe or not;
I'd say that the falling off the piano bench to the floor makes it pretty clear
they didn't leave the room for anything. OTOH, she was clearly up for it before
the date even started, with plenty of encouragement from others, and
conceivably (sic) could have planned ahead. OTGH, you can't assume much of
anything...especially not with this show.
>We may or may not assume this. The fact is, unprotected sex is extremely
>dangerous and still practiced with or without the awareness of the
>consequences. Beating people over the head with it is always worthwhile
>*in my opinion*. The fact that Ally and her partner 'lose control' is all
>the more reason. Losing control and having unprotected sex even once can
>lead to deadly results. At the very least a lifetime of uncertainty and
>pain.
You say that as if their failure to say anything about it *within this episode*
is important. I wouldn't be surprised if we have _seen_ the last of the
Snowboard, but I'm nearly certain that we will hear occasional references to
him/it again.
And as much as Ally seems to worry about everything...the consequences are
something she will probably at least think about in the future. Maybe something
will be wrong with her (pregnancy/VD), but probably not (missing a period due
to stress?). As conscious of its own history as this show is, where no episode
stands in a vacuum, it is just too soon to lay out that particular criticism.
>I have worked with youth for the past 20 years and realize all
to well the >perception of invincibility. > >It would only take a second and
who knows what impact it might have. Just >to make viewers think(not just kids
having unprotected sex!!!). > >stepping off soap box... right onto a huge
piece of gum. > >regards, > >J. Webb >jw...@netdepot.com >Atlanta Mac User
Group >joe_...@atlmug.org
--
Clay Davenport cl...@nesdis.noaa.gov
Author, Baseball Prospectus '97 www.baseballprospectus.com
"Baseball ...is a chance to play with children your own age...no matter how old
they are." --Scott Rolen
J. Webb
> Why in the hell does everyone think that every single show on TV has to be
> "educational" for our children? You should not let children be taught
> from the TV. I watched that show with my 15 year old daughter. I didn't
> so much as blink during that scene. You know why? Because MY WIFE AND I
> TAUGHT HER MORALS. She knows that casual sex is hazardous to your health,
> she knows very well the implications of pregnancy if she doesn't use
> protection, and she knows the moral value of waiting until she is married
> before having sex. You know where she learned all of this? SHE LEARNED
> IT FROM HER PARENTS! Not from a TV show.
Fine. Then what the adults that you and your wife did not raise? @7 year
olds DO have unoretected sex. It is no big deal really but it would have
also not been a particularly big deal to include it. Just the quick image
of holding up a condom package, digging in a pocket or even tying it in
with the boxing... show a clip of the boxers putting gloves on before the
match... any number of ways to do it without making it on par with the
dancing baby.
PontGuy83
I have to agree with the following statement...
>Why in the hell does everyone think that every single show on TV has to be
>"educational" for our children?
Lets not forget that many so called adults still act and think like chidren.
>You should not let children be taught
>from the TV. I watched that show with my 15 year old daughter. I didn't
>so much as blink during that scene. You know why? Because MY WIFE AND I
>TAUGHT HER MORALS. She knows that casual sex is hazardous to your health,
>she knows very well the implications of pregnancy if she doesn't use
>protection, and she knows the moral value of waiting until she is married
>before having sex. You know where she learned all of this? SHE LEARNED
>IT FROM HER PARENTS! Not from a TV show.
>
>She knows the difference between TV and life. Life is real, TV is for
>entertainment. TV is _not_ real. If you have not taught your children
>all of this, then shame on you for letting the television take the place
>of parental guidance.
>
>
Kudos to you, I too learned from my parents the risked involved with casual
sex, the possible repercussions ect...I have to say that for people to insist
on an entertainment medium to teach people values and morals is just plain
ridiculous. It is absurd to make the entertainment industry responsible for
the actions of people. It just doesnt make sense.
BelleSoCal
pont...@aol.com (PontGuy83) wrote:
>>> I have to agree with the following statement...
>> Why in the hell does everyone think that every single show on TV has to be
"educational" for our children? Lets not forget that many so called adults
still act and think like chidren. <<
[snippage of stuff we already read about children being taught morals or ethics
by TV, the dangers of casual sex and the importance of parental influence on
the morals of our youth]
>>> Kudos to you, I too learned from my parents the risked involved with casual
sex, the possible repercussions ect...I have to say that for people to insist
on an entertainment medium to teach people values and morals is just plain
ridiculous. It is absurd to make the entertainment industry responsible for the
actions of people. It just doesnt make sense. <<<
I don't *insist* that the entertainment industry should teach anyone values or
morals. I do, however, *violently prefer* that the films, TV shows, plays,
etc., I choose to watch have a theme of consistency, logic and reason. We've
heard all season about Ally's alleged prudishness and hesitation to even go on
a date, for heaven's sake. This is a smart, funny, classy woman. For her not to
even discuss the possibility of safe sex makes no sense whatsoever.
Not to mention the fact that not everyone out there had the excellent
upbringing referenced above. When chance (or an otherwise terrific script)
hands us the opportunity to make a logical and reasonable point, why not take
it? It coulda been just one tossed-off line from Renee, and *completely* in
character with her persona ... "So, you gonna get some-a them glow-in-the-dark
kind or what?"
Snappish, indeed!
Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:34:21 -0500,
Dana <mis...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> All I have to say about this is: I can't win. Some people, like you,
> say there is too much detail, and others ask me why I missed something
> or other. So, I'm probably not going to change my summary/review much.
I thought it was just fine. I don't even have to watch the show. :-)
Which is good, since I don't have cable yet. To whom do I send blank
tapes? :-)
> > >be able to explain it very well. There's a computer program that gets
> > >e-mailed around, where a weird-looking computerized baby dances.
> >
> > Actually it's just a QuickTime movie I believe, not a program.. Could
> > be wrong though.
>
> I couldn't remember exactly what it was at the time. Thanks!
I'm glad to hear this. Quick reminder to all: if you get an unexpected
program attached to a piece of mail from someone you don't know: DON'T
RUN IT.
Not only might it be virus infected, but even if it passes a scan, it
might be a Trojan (no pun intended, in this context :-) that will erase
everything on your disk drive. Just to clarify: this _only_ applies to
attachments, _not_ the mail messages, rumours you may have heard about
GOOD TIMES, et al, notwithstanding.
Cheers,
-- jra
--
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Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued
The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby,
Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592
Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, 07 Jan 98 18:17:05 GMT,
JP <jparker....@tir.com> wrote:
> Why in the hell does everyone think that every single show on TV has to be
> so much as blink during that scene. You know why? Because MY WIFE AND I
> TAUGHT HER MORALS. She knows that casual sex is hazardous to your health,
> she knows very well the implications of pregnancy if she doesn't use
> protection, and she knows the moral value of waiting until she is married
> before having sex. You know where she learned all of this? SHE LEARNED
> IT FROM HER PARENTS! Not from a TV show.
>
> She knows the difference between TV and life. Life is real, TV is for
> entertainment. TV is _not_ real. If you have not taught your children
> all of this, then shame on you for letting the television take the place
> of parental guidance.
_THANK YOU_.
Ghod, I _expected some common sense in this group; nice to see I was
right.
JP
no_email_addres...@SPAM.com (J. Webb) had this to say:
>|Fine. Then what the adults that you and your wife did not raise? @7 year
>|olds DO have unoretected sex. It is no big deal really but it would have
>|also not been a particularly big deal to include it. Just the quick image
>|of holding up a condom package, digging in a pocket or even tying it in
>|with the boxing... show a clip of the boxers putting gloves on before the
>|match... any number of ways to do it without making it on par with the
>|dancing baby.
I am not responsible for the children that my wife and I did not raise.
You're right, there ARE children having unprotected sex. And that is the
fault of their parents for not teaching them properly and providing
guidance. It is NOT the television's fault. I refuse to accept that.
You state that "7 years olds DO have unprotected sex." Is it okay in your
mind for 7-year olds to have PROTECTED sex?? I certainly don't think so.
So using your theory they should never have shown them together to begin
with because a 7-year old might take it to mean that it's okay to have
sex. Condom or no condom, 7-year olds should not be having sex. They
should also get rid of the courtroom scene then because Biscuit made it
look like it was okay to assualt someone. A 7-year old might get the
message that violence is okay because of that closing argument. You know,
what about the episode with the cross-dressing hooker? And they sure
spend a lot of time in that bar. Bad message to send to a 7-year old.
They should just cancel the whole show then, because it sends bad messages
to 7-year olds.
How about this - Instead of crusading to make television producers better
teachers and example setters for our children, how about crusading to make
PARENTS better teachers and example setters for our children?
BTW, I think it would have been cheesy if they had held up a condom
package. And a 7-year old is not going to catch the analogy of a boxer
slipping on gloves before a fight to equate it to putting on a condom.
Anyway, I come to this Newsgroup to enjoy light-hearted discussion with
other Ally fans about the show, not to discuss social issues, so lets
move along. :-)
JP
j...@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us (Jay R. Ashworth) had this to say:
>|_THANK YOU_.
>|
>|Ghod, I _expected some common sense in this group; nice to see I was
>|right.
Oh, I think there is a little bit of it floating around. ;-)
PontGuy83
>How about this - Instead of crusading to make television producers better
>teachers and example setters for our children, how about crusading to make
>PARENTS better teachers and example setters for our children?
I couldn't agree more! Something for all the people that were offended to
think about: People tend to ignore or even satire messages that they hear or
see a lot of, take for instance, the "This is your Brain" commercial. I have
seen so many parodies of that it is not even funny anymore. My Point is that
if EVERY t.v show that shows some type of sexual encounter shows condoms....The
message losses its ability to reach people.
>BTW, I think it would have been cheesy if they had held up a condom
>package. And a 7-year old is not going to catch the analogy of a boxer
>slipping on gloves before a fight to equate it to putting on a condom.
>
>
Not only cheesy, but how many ADULTS would have gotten that analogy?
Thats my rambling for this morning...
Tony
J. Webb
> I am not responsible for the children that my wife and I did not raise.
> You're right, there ARE children having unprotected sex. And that is the
> fault of their parents for not teaching them properly and providing
> guidance. It is NOT the television's fault. I refuse to accept that.
>
> You state that "7 years olds DO have unprotected sex." Is it okay in your
> mind for 7-year olds to have PROTECTED sex?? I certainly don't think so.
> So using your theory they should never have shown them together to begin
> with because a 7-year old might take it to mean that it's okay to have
> sex. Condom or no condom, 7-year olds should not be having sex. They
> should also get rid of the courtroom scene then because Biscuit made it
> look like it was okay to assualt someone. A 7-year old might get the
> message that violence is okay because of that closing argument. You know,
> what about the episode with the cross-dressing hooker? And they sure
> spend a lot of time in that bar. Bad message to send to a 7-year old.
> They should just cancel the whole show then, because it sends bad messages
> to 7-year olds.
*You did not read very carefully and I did not type very carefully.*
I did not say allude to your responsibility for anyone else's children. I
said there were adults, ADULTS that you did not raise. I think this is an
issue for ADULTS as well as YOUTH. I am so glad that you take your
parental responsibility so seriously. The fact is your children may still
have unprotected sex. A lack of parenting skills is not the only factor
effecting the behavior of children, young adults not those who make it to
adulthood. Now, that should cover that. I have no desire to argue about
it, simply stated my points.
Now for the second point which you spent time on and I barely scanned as
it was pointless. You see, I did not type that "7 year olds" have
unprotected sex(thought I doubt any 7 years olds who do experiment
sexually would have the resources to get protection and I am doubtful of
an effective fit for the condom...). What I typed was that @7 year olds
have unprotected sex. See, the '@' sign was to be a '2' but was a typo. As
you may now note, '27' would be apropos for the discussion as that was the
age of the two characters in the TV show that were being discussed. I am
sure you made some great points but they were misplaced. I certainly
apologize for the typo(I make them regularly).
Irrespective of the audience, I, as some others responding, take the
position that a positive message for the viewers, whatever age, would have
been a positive addition to the scene. There were also voiced
contradictory views. What ever the reason. This subject has been covered
as completely as I think merits time and I will not respond further.
J. Webb
jwebb *AT* netdepot *DOT* com
Atlanta Mac User Group
joe_webb *AT* atlmug *DOT* org
Sorry for the address format, it is appaarently unsafe to include these in the text aswell as headers these days. So much for computer automation. Spammers send all email to: tr...@domain.com
J. Webb
In article <19980108142...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
pont...@aol.com (PontGuy83) wrote:
> Something for all the people that were offended to
> think about:
I never said I was offended. As I recall, none of those suggesting the
safeR sex message were offended. Read my response to J. Parker regarding
the 7 yr. old subject.
regards,
Matt Ackeret
In article <34B1EE...@cctr.umkc.edu>,
Collin Freeman <cfre...@cctr.umkc.edu> wrote:
>So what we had here was basically a one-night stand for both people.
>Big deal. This all happened to Ally too soon. It's only half-way
>through the first season. OK, she got laid. Now what? I swear if
>David Kelley plays the pregnant card, I will stop watching.
If her egg got hit, you are going to quit.
(or, worse,
If his sperm hit its targ-it[sic], you are going to quit.)
--
mat...@area.com
S. Leung
On Tue, 06 Jan 1998 08:40:38 +0000, Collin Freeman
<cfre...@cctr.umkc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Back at the office, Ally tells the guys that Cage's closing speech was
>> his best ever. (I would have to agree.)
>
>So would I. Way to go, John!!!
The speech was good. But I'm afraid that it wouldn't hold up in
court. Any good DA would rebut (I think DAs are given the opportunity
to rebut), by saying the law is the law no matter what the motivation
of an act is. For example, icy road can't stop at a stop sign in
time, smash another car. You're still liable for the damage even
though it was the ice and not your driving. You failed to stop at a
stop sign.
Brad Dancer
S. Leung wrote in message <>The speech was good. But I'm afraid that it
wouldn't hold up in
>court. Any good DA would rebut (I think DAs are given the opportunity
>to rebut), by saying the law is the law no matter what the motivation
>of an act is. For example, icy road can't stop at a stop sign in
>time, smash another car. You're still liable for the damage even
>though it was the ice and not your driving. You failed to stop at a
>stop sign.
My brother had just that happen and was found not liable due to conditions
beyond his control. He had records of his car maintainance and witnesses
that he was attempting to stop at a safe distance (and a perfect driving
record) that pointed out he did everything he could to stop, but was unable.
Brad
BelleSoCal
Collin Freeman <cfre...@cctr.umkc.edu> wrote:
>> Back at the office, Ally tells the guys that Cage's closing speech was his
best ever. (I would have to agree.) <<
And sle...@sk.sympatico.ca (S. Leung) wrote back:
>>> The speech was good. But I'm afraid that it wouldn't hold up in court. Any
good DA would rebut (I think DAs are given the opportunity to rebut), by saying
the law is the law no matter what the motivation of an act is. For example, icy
road can't stop at a stop sign in time, smash another car. You're still liable
for the damage even though it was the ice and not your driving. You failed to
stop at a stop sign. <<<
Well, I'm not entirely sure about rebuttal on closing argument. It differs from
state-to-state. Here in California, the prosecution in any criminal case
(misdemeanor or felony) leads off with his/her closing, followed by the defense
closing, then (if he/she chooses) the prosecutor may rebut.
Having said that ... I think The Biscuit's closing would hold up in court
(which is an entirely different issue than prosecutorial rebuttal). It was a
brilliant closing argument, and could even be considered an effort at jury
nullification.
In other words, the jerk *did* have it comin' to him, even if the "pop" coulda
been considered "battery."
Scott Cantor
In article <34b4a1db...@news.sk.sympatico.ca>, sle...@sk.sympatico.ca (S. Leung) wrote:
>
>The speech was good. But I'm afraid that it wouldn't hold up in
>court. Any good DA would rebut (I think DAs are given the opportunity
>to rebut), by saying the law is the law no matter what the motivation
>time, smash another car. You're still liable for the damage even
>though it was the ice and not your driving. You failed to stop at a
>stop sign.
Not true. Any decent lawyer could get you off with an honest judge by
proving that you tried to stop early enough and couldn't. Some cops
probably might even absolve you on the spot, I suspect.
In this particular case, the DA wouldn't have had to rebut for me. Any
competent juror would have ignored the closing anyway, since it was
irrelevant to the question of law at hand. The fact that jururs *do* ignore
the law doesn't absolve them from criticism for doing so. Lawyers are
needed in part because people listen to silly melodramas like that closing.
If they didn't, the value of a good lawyer would go down immeasurably.
--------
Scott Cantor When you are courting a nice girl, an hour seems
cant...@osu.edu like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder,
Univ Tech Services a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.
The Ohio State Univ - Albert Einstein
DonnaB
In alt.tv.ally-mcbeal on Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:34:21 -0500, Dana
<mis...@yahoo.com> stopped watching B5 long enough to say:
| All I have to say about this is: I can't win. Some people, like you,
| say there is too much detail, and others ask me why I missed something
| or other. So, I'm probably not going to change my summary/review much.
| There may be times when I don't feel as if the episode deserves a lot of
| detail, and other times when I feel like it only makes sense if I
| re-write the whole thing. I do, however, always appreciate the input. :
FYI, FWIW, IMO, there's no such thing as too much Vonda or too much
detail. Keep up the good work.
--
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