Cage leaves show?
Tim Davisson
will not be in the new season.
Does anybody know if that's true?
If it is true, what a stupid move. While most people look at the character
Ally, to me Cage & Fish form the foundation the show plays off of.
Ally wouldn't be the same show without Peter.
(no, I'm not a relative or friend of Peter!).
Tim, Ohio
Bowen69jack
Michael D. Most
"Tim Davisson" <rdav...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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> I read in the newspaper today that Peter Mc Nichol is among the actors who
> will not be in the new season.
>
> Does anybody know if that's true?
Absolutely untrue. Peter won't be in every episode but he's still very much
a part of the show.
Mike Most (Visual FX Supervisor on "Ally")
TK Baltimore
<rdav...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Peter MacNicol will be in seven episodes of the upcoming season.
-TK Baltimore
====================================================================
http://www.tktv.net
Tim Davisson
> Peter MacNicol will be in seven episodes of the upcoming season.
Question: WHY will Peter Mac Nichol be in only 7 eps in the '01-'02 season?
Does the actor want to do other things besides the show? Did the producers
(etc.) of the show make the decision?
It seems John Cage is a foundation character.
Michael D. Most
>
> > Peter MacNicol will be in seven episodes of the upcoming season.
That's not necessarily a hard and fast number. I would re-word that to say
he will be in at least 7 episodes.
UncleDave
>
> "Tim Davisson" <rdav...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:kmsr7.12812$6q.16...@typhoon.neo.rr.com..
> >
>
> That's not necessarily a hard and fast number. I would re-word that to say
> he will be in at least 7 episodes.
>
> Mike Most (Visual FX Supervisor on "Ally")
The question still remians: Why only seven?
--- Dave
Michael D. Most
"UncleDave" <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> The question still remians: Why only seven?
Why do you persist in asking a question for which you're not going to get a
sensible answer? Do you think there's some kind of secret conspiracy to keep
Peter away? All shows change over time, and some cast members come and go.
All have their reasons for doing so, and it's not their responsibility to
tell you what those reasons are. It's as simple as that. Besides, I already
said that it's not necessarily "only seven."
G. M. Lupo
> Why do you persist in asking a question for which you're not going to
> get a sensible answer? Do you think there's some kind of secret
> conspiracy to keep Peter away?
I believe there is just such a conspiracy led by space aliens or
people from the future. The purpose of this conspiracy is
unknown but it's ramifications will be felt by all. Or at least
all who watch the show.
Matt Lupo
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We eat ham and jam and spam a lot
G. M. Lupo
> Absolutely untrue. Peter won't be in every episode but he's still very
> much a part of the show.
Is there any truth to the rumor that Pauly Shore will join the
cast as Ally's new love interest, a totally gnarly dude from the
west coast? Where would he surf if he were wont to do so?
Donna L. Bridges
<3BAEB4A8...@dont-you-go-spamming-me.com> "G. M. Lupo"
<gml...@dont-you-go-spamming-me.com> wrote:
>"Michael D. Most" wrote:
>
>> Why do you persist in asking a question for which you're not going to
>> get a sensible answer? Do you think there's some kind of secret
>> conspiracy to keep Peter away?
>
>I believe there is just such a conspiracy led by space aliens or
>people from the future. The purpose of this conspiracy is
>unknown but it's ramifications will be felt by all. Or at least
>all who watch the show.
I thought it was all smoke & mirrors. Now you tell me!
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Tammy
anyone tell me if this is true? I find it hard to believe that Alley would
let herself fall in love again after such a loss with Larry being gone,
maybe she should just be alone. Who knows I am sure it will be interesting
anyways.
Thanks
Tammy
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UncleDave
>
> "UncleDave" <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BAE0B...@sk.sympatico.ca..
>
> Why do you persist in asking a question for which you're not going to get a
> sensible answer?
I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.
--- Uncle Dave
Do you think there's some kind of secret conspiracy to keep
> Peter away?
No I don't. But maybe he was asking for more money and DEK said no.
Maybe it was because PM needs a new challenge and wants to scale back
his committment to the series.
G. M. Lupo
> "G. M. Lupo" <gml...@dont-you-go-spamming-me.com> wrote:
>
> >"Michael D. Most" wrote:
> >
> >> Do you think there's some kind of secret
> >> conspiracy to keep Peter away?
> >
> >I believe there is just such a conspiracy led by space aliens or
> >people from the future. The purpose of this conspiracy is
> >unknown but it's ramifications will be felt by all. Or at least
> >all who watch the show.
>
> I thought it was all smoke & mirrors. Now you tell me!
It's important to bear in mind, these folks have already seen all
the episodes, including those the writers haven't even conceived
yet. For them to risk time travel just to come back here and
mess with the show has to mean something, probably that they have
way too much free time for starters.
Tim Davisson
> I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
> have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
> McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
>
> If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
> ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.>
Thank you Uncle Dave for your comments.
Having worked in broadcasting for over 30 years, I realize not all
information can be public. But, this IS a fan-based MB. Any cast or crew
member who comes on such a MB have gotta expect questions from fans. Again,
maybe you can't answer all of them...but, why be rude about it?
Like it or not, fans/viewers are the show's "customers". We drive the
ratings that generates the advertising revenue that pays the cast & crews'
salaries.
CindyB
Mike Most is very generous with his time and information. He tells what he
can, what he knows, and what is "allowed." He has helped to put rumors to
rest, has given us hope for the future of the show and its characters,
shares nice stories and comments about some of the guest stars, etc.
He felt he had answered the question about PM. Maybe he didn't answer it the
way some wanted it answered, but is that a reason to keep nagging him about
it? You keep bugging someone until you get the answer you want? Never mind
annoying them to the point where they are fed up and decide not to share
anything with us at all? Good game plan.
Mike, if you read this, please know that I and many others here really enjoy
your posts and thank you for the time and information you are able to give
to us. Sometimes our curiosity does get the better of us and we do need to
be "put in our place." IMO, you do it with grace.
--
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M-Wolverine
> Michael D. Most wrote:
> >
> > "UncleDave" <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:3BAE0B...@sk.sympatico.ca..
> > > The question still remians: Why only seven?
> >
> > Why do you persist in asking a question for which you're not going to get a
> > sensible answer?
>
> I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
> have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
> McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
>
> If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
> ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.
>
> --- Uncle Dave
Really, it's not like it was a direct question. There may be other
people out there that know. It's not like Hollywood is any good at
keeping secrets....
>
> Do you think there's some kind of secret conspiracy to keep
> > Peter away?
>
> No I don't. But maybe he was asking for more money and DEK said no.
> Maybe it was because PM needs a new challenge and wants to scale back
> his committment to the series.
>
>
> All shows change over time, and some cast members come and go.
> > All have their reasons for doing so, and it's not their responsibility to
> > tell you what those reasons are. It's as simple as that.
Yeah, but most don't have complete cast overhauls by season 4 - and if
they do, they don't usually make it to season 5......
> Besides, I already
> > said that it's not necessarily "only seven."
> >
> > Mike Most (Visual FX Supervisor on "Ally")
-Chris C.
who's worried that with this latest batch of changes, Ally hasn't just
jumped the shark, but fallen into the tank....
Donna L. Bridges
<3BAF66...@sk.sympatico.ca> UncleDave <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
>have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
>McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
>
>If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
>ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.
If you really feel that way, then, why did you persist in asking it
over & over again after getting partial answers & clarification?
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<%QZr7.33730$6q.24...@typhoon.neo.rr.com> "Tim Davisson"
<rdav...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
>Having worked in broadcasting for over 30 years, I realize not all
>information can be public. But, this IS a fan-based MB. Any cast or crew
>member who comes on such a MB have gotta expect questions from fans. Again,
>maybe you can't answer all of them...but, why be rude about it?
You mean here the way a supposed fan was rude to a regular here who is
also a regular at AMcB by hounding him over & over on one issue that
obviously couldn't be answered?!! Just making sure we're all clear
about who was rude, right? <G>
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Donna L. Bridges
<86ac6ac0.01092...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
(M-Wolverine) wrote:
>Yeah, but most don't have complete cast overhauls by season 4 - and if
>they do, they don't usually make it to season 5......
I think if you have followed his work DEK has probably commented more
than once on these artificial life lines that the biz wants shows to
have. What if the natural life line of a show is 3 years? How about 4?
But, no, I don't think it's any secret that a show can be good & the
people involved in it can actually not be prepared to completely give
their lives over to it year after year endlessly. And, of course,
we've not seen a complete cast overhaul yet. First year John Cage
wasn't even regular cast initially. He began as a Guest Star,
remember?
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Dan
>
> "UncleDave" <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3BAF66...@sk.sympatico.ca...
>
> > I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
> > have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
> > McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
> >
> > If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
> > ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.>
>
> Thank you Uncle Dave for your comments.
>
> Having worked in broadcasting for over 30 years, I realize not all
> information can be public. But, this IS a fan-based MB. Any cast or crew
> member who comes on such a MB have gotta expect questions from fans.
Again,
> maybe you can't answer all of them...but, why be rude about it?
>
Any cast or crew member who comes into the NG's (its not an MB its a
newsgroups IIRC) to give some of us fans information which he doesn't have
to do should be applauded, not moaned at. I personally believe you are being
rude.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Dan
ala...@junk.min.net
>a sensible answer? Do you think there's some kind of secret conspiracy to
>keep Peter away? All shows change over time, and some cast members come
>and go. All have their reasons for doing so, and it's not their
>responsibility to tell you what those reasons are. It's as simple as
>that. Besides, I already said that it's not necessarily "only seven."
We who are not dense thank you for your insider perspective, and hope that
Peter will appear in many more than seven episodes. If he does appear in
just seven, que sera sera.
Alan
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>
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:59:38 GMT, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal
> <3BAF66...@sk.sympatico.ca> UncleDave <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >I guess it's because we're hoping for a sensible answer. Maybe I should
> >have asked the question this way: By whose choice -- producers or Peter
> >McNichol -- is Peter MacNichol not appearing in all 23 episodes?
> >
> >If you don't wish to answer that question, then I'd prefer that you just
> >ignore it rather than scold me for asking it.
>
> If you really feel that way, then, why did you persist in asking it
> over & over again after getting partial answers & clarification?
>
*I* never asked more than once, and all I ever read was partial answers
and partial clarifications when others answered the questions.
Hey, don't any of you get me wrong. I appreciate Mike's posts as much
as anyone else, normally. I just felt he went over the top a bit at me
and that's all I was reacting to. I think it's great having someone
connected to the show available to give us some insight into what's
going on. And I'm sure he doesn't mind it either, or he would just sign
his posts with his name and not keep reminding us that he's the visual
effects supervisor.
--- Uncle Dave
M-Wolverine
> On 25 Sep 2001 09:03:53 -0700, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal
> <86ac6ac0.01092...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
> (M-Wolverine) wrote:
>
> >Yeah, but most don't have complete cast overhauls by season 4 - and if
> >they do, they don't usually make it to season 5......
>
> I think if you have followed his work DEK has probably commented more
> than once on these artificial life lines that the biz wants shows to
> have. What if the natural life line of a show is 3 years?
Well, if it's only 3, we're in for a bad season...... ;)
How about 4?
If the show's run it's course, then end it. If you're still making
new episodes, I should be able to expect quality.
> But, no, I don't think it's any secret that a show can be good & the
> people involved in it can actually not be prepared to completely give
> their lives over to it year after year endlessly.
I don't begrudge any actor for leaving (success of TV actors who leave
successful shows can be questioned - were the Agency and a Jim Belushi
sitcom steps up?). They're not indentured servants. But not being
able to keep people isn't good for the consistency of a show,
particularly over such a short time period.
And, of course,
> we've not seen a complete cast overhaul yet.
Well, are Ally, Elaine and Fish are only original members left? How
many other cast members have come and gone?
First year John Cage
> wasn't even regular cast initially. He began as a Guest Star,
> remember?
Well, like what, episode 2 or something? Sure, a lot of the
characters started out as guests. The show's best season was 2, when
they introduced many of these characters. The show started as a
starring vehicle for Calista Flockhart, and became an ensemble piece -
for the better in my opinion. They were not easily replacable
supporting parts. And looking at last years new cast members, Downey
aside, they haven't exactly been good changes. Frankly, I really
started watching the show, regularly, rather than now and then, when
Ling started appearing. Ally wasn't that interesting - when Cage and
Fish and Ling started getting meatier parts, it became must see. Now
two of the 3 reasons I really watch are going. And I don't think Fish
is going to get a chance to help carry the show....
-Chris C.
Won't know what to do without Ling......
Donna L. Bridges
<86ac6ac0.0109...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
(M-Wolverine) wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<f6e1rt067936f49ii...@4ax.com>...
>> On 25 Sep 2001 09:03:53 -0700, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal
>> <86ac6ac0.01092...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
>> (M-Wolverine) wrote:
>>
>> >Yeah, but most don't have complete cast overhauls by season 4 - and if
>> >they do, they don't usually make it to season 5......
>>
>> I think if you have followed his work DEK has probably commented more
>> than once on these artificial life lines that the biz wants shows to
>> have. What if the natural life line of a show is 3 years?
>
>Well, if it's only 3, we're in for a bad season...... ;)
You're somewhere that hasn't seen the 4th season yet? <G>
>How about 4?
>
>If the show's run it's course, then end it. If you're still making
>new episodes, I should be able to expect quality.
And, so far, have you seen something of the 5th year that makes you
think you're getting short shrift on that? Heck, I prefer Season 4
over Season 3. These things simply aren't linear.
>> But, no, I don't think it's any secret that a show can be good & the
>> people involved in it can actually not be prepared to completely give
>> their lives over to it year after year endlessly.
>
>... (success of TV actors who leave
>successful shows can be questioned - were the Agency and a Jim Belushi
>sitcom steps up?)
Huh?!
>> And, of course,
>> we've not seen a complete cast overhaul yet.
>
>Well, are Ally, Elaine and Fish are only original members left?
Maybe, could be that *the* original 3 cast members remain.
>How
>many other cast members have come and gone?
According to how you define cast members, tons & tons, thank goodness,
as that's one of the marvels of this show, its use of talent.
>> First year John Cage
>> wasn't even regular cast initially. He began as a Guest Star,
>> remember?
>
>Well, like what, episode 2 or something?
Like till almost the end of the first year. His part, like Billy's &
wife's were all meant to be small temporary roles. They were beefed up
because this is a writer who can work with what is in front of him &
not be tied to something written in stone somewhere & he can do that
with both coming & going as well as with staying.
>... And looking at last years new cast members, Downey
>aside, they haven't exactly been good changes. ...
Which is where some of us hugely disagree! My faves in order are:
Season 1, Season 4, Season 2, Season 3. Clearly yours are different.
Yes, I grew to like, even love Ling, but, the show doesn't have to
have Ling, for me. At least I didn't continue to either hate her or be
bored with her, though, before she cut her involvement back. <g>
Personally my biggest gripe is, again, that we have to wait so long
for new episodes. Thank goodness I can get into PASADENA & my hope
that it will take off big-time between now & then, otherwise, FOX has
stopped being a channel I need to ever stop on. Neither Sunday nights
nor Monday nights this summer have drawn me to rewatch many of my FOX
faves.
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<3BB110...@sk.sympatico.ca> UncleDave <dhyn...@sk.sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>Donna L. Bridges wrote:
>> If you really feel that way, then, why did you persist in asking it
>> over & over again after getting partial answers & clarification?
>
>*I* never asked more than once, and all I ever read was partial answers
>and partial clarifications when others answered the questions.
If the question got pursued unseemly by a combination of people,
instead of one person being relentless, I apologize for thinking it
was all one person.
>Hey, don't any of you get me wrong. I appreciate Mike's posts as much
>as anyone else, normally. I just felt he went over the top a bit at me
>and that's all I was reacting to. ...
Yeah, I get that. I also get that others of us saw the shoe on the
other foot. Honest disagreement.
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nova
know, there isn't a single "original" cast member left on "Law&Order." As
long as the writing stays on top and the characters are allowed to grow and
develop, it'll be worth watching. At least I hope so!
-nova
(who's still fuming over FX)
"M-Wolverine" <ch...@pnc-wbi.com> wrote in message
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M-Wolverine
> As far as cast overhauls go, I think 'Ally's' about average. As far as I
> know, there isn't a single "original" cast member left on "Law&Order."
It's not so much attrition of characters (shows like MASH and ER have
had lots of changes), it's all at once. Except for the one
politically correct purge, Law and Order has usually lost one actor a
year. There's still continuity from year to year, you just have to
get used to one new character among "friends". An overhaul is almost
like a new show....
As
> long as the writing stays on top and the characters are allowed to grow and
> develop, it'll be worth watching. At least I hope so!
Agreed.
-Chris C.
M-Wolverine
> On 26 Sep 2001 08:20:22 -0700, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal
> <86ac6ac0.0109...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
> (M-Wolverine) wrote:
>
> >Donna L. Bridges <shall...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:<f6e1rt067936f49ii...@4ax.com>...
> >> On 25 Sep 2001 09:03:53 -0700, in alt.tv.ally-mcbeal
> >> <86ac6ac0.01092...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
> >> (M-Wolverine) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Yeah, but most don't have complete cast overhauls by season 4 - and if
> >> >they do, they don't usually make it to season 5......
> >>
> >> I think if you have followed his work DEK has probably commented more
> >> than once on these artificial life lines that the biz wants shows to
> >> have. What if the natural life line of a show is 3 years?
> >
> >Well, if it's only 3, we're in for a bad season...... ;)
>
> You're somewhere that hasn't seen the 4th season yet? <G>
Well, I meant if the show peaked at 3, like you said some shows do,
we'd be TWO years past it's prime....
> >How about 4?
> >
> >If the show's run it's course, then end it. If you're still making
> >new episodes, I should be able to expect quality.
>
> And, so far, have you seen something of the 5th year that makes you
> think you're getting short shrift on that? Heck, I prefer Season 4
> over Season 3. These things simply aren't linear.
Only the fact that they're losing some of the best cast members. But
I agree with you - season 4 was better than 3.
> >> But, no, I don't think it's any secret that a show can be good & the
> >> people involved in it can actually not be prepared to completely give
> >> their lives over to it year after year endlessly.
> >
> >... (success of TV actors who leave
> >successful shows can be questioned - were the Agency and a Jim Belushi
> >sitcom steps up?)
>
> Huh?!
Two shows ex-Ally cast members are now starring in....not a step up in
my opinion; but then I'm on the Ally posting board, not the Agency
one....
> >> And, of course,
> >> we've not seen a complete cast overhaul yet.
> >
> >Well, are Ally, Elaine and Fish are only original members left?
>
> Maybe, could be that *the* original 3 cast members remain.
Well, the show didn't star with cast of 3, did it?
> >How
> >many other cast members have come and gone?
>
> According to how you define cast members, tons & tons, thank goodness,
> as that's one of the marvels of this show, its use of talent.
Well, some have come and gone with out a ripple. Is anyone going to
miss Jackson Duper, or whatever his name was.....?
> >> First year John Cage
> >> wasn't even regular cast initially. He began as a Guest Star,
> >> remember?
> >
> >Well, like what, episode 2 or something?
>
> Like till almost the end of the first year. His part, like Billy's &
> wife's were all meant to be small temporary roles. They were beefed up
> because this is a writer who can work with what is in front of him &
> not be tied to something written in stone somewhere & he can do that
> with both coming & going as well as with staying.
I'll take your word for it, but the Cage character didn't appear at
all until the end of season one? I thought the whole prostitute
episode was rather early....Maybe you mean he wasn't a regular until
later. Maybe I'm just wrong. ;)
> >... And looking at last years new cast members, Downey
> >aside, they haven't exactly been good changes. ...
>
> Which is where some of us hugely disagree! My faves in order are:
> Season 1, Season 4, Season 2, Season 3. Clearly yours are different.
Boy, tell me what you liked about any of the new cast members last
year, outside of Downey. Also, I've always gotten the impression that
the general consensus is that Season 2 was the best, Season 3 the
worst, and you ordered the other two on how much you liked Downey. Of
course, you are the exception to the rule. :)
> Yes, I grew to like, even love Ling, but, the show doesn't have to
> have Ling, for me. At least I didn't continue to either hate her or be
> bored with her, though, before she cut her involvement back. <g>
Which is where some of us hugely disagree!! ;)
> Personally my biggest gripe is, again, that we have to wait so long
> for new episodes. Thank goodness I can get into PASADENA & my hope
> that it will take off big-time between now & then, otherwise, FOX has
> stopped being a channel I need to ever stop on. Neither Sunday nights
> nor Monday nights this summer have drawn me to rewatch many of my FOX
> faves.
Does anyone watch reruns anymore? Ratings are down all over for them.
Revenues for them are down. Society is changing. And it might have
to do with the fact you mention that the rerun season is now longer
than the real season (anyone old enough to remember shows ending in
June and starting up in September? I'm being to think it's like
Bigfoot- people say they've seen it, but can't prove it....). Still,
most of my network programming (admittedly, not much anymore) comes
from FOX.
-Chris C.
Donna L. Bridges
<86ac6ac0.01092...@posting.google.com> ch...@pnc-wbi.com
(M-Wolverine) wrote:
>Well, I meant if the show peaked at 3, like you said some shows do,
>we'd be TWO years past it's prime....
Okay, but, there's just not a linear model, I don't think.
>> >> And, of course,
>> >> we've not seen a complete cast overhaul yet.
>> >
>> >Well, are Ally, Elaine and Fish are only original members left?
>>
>> Maybe, could be that *the* original 3 cast members remain.
>
>Well, the show didn't star with cast of 3, did it?
Regular cast? No, Billy was regular cast originally, but, not meant to
stay after the first year, etc. We're not talking about a regular cast
of thousands, just a small ensemble that has people come in & out, not
even as many regulars as PF had.
>> According to how you define cast members, tons & tons, thank goodness,
>> as that's one of the marvels of this show, its use of talent.
>
>Well, some have come and gone with out a ripple. Is anyone going to
>miss Jackson Duper, or whatever his name was.....?
I liked the character. [shrug]
>> >> First year John Cage
>> >> wasn't even regular cast initially. He began as a Guest Star,
>> >> remember?
>> >
>> >Well, like what, episode 2 or something?
>>
>> Like till almost the end of the first year. His part, like Billy's &
>> wife's were all meant to be small temporary roles. They were beefed up
>> because this is a writer who can work with what is in front of him &
>> not be tied to something written in stone somewhere & he can do that
>> with both coming & going as well as with staying.
>
>I'll take your word for it, but the Cage character didn't appear at
>all until the end of season one? I thought the whole prostitute
>episode was rather early....Maybe you mean he wasn't a regular until
>later. Maybe I'm just wrong. ;)
Right, see above. He wasn't on a regular contract for most of the
first year, appeared as a Special Guest Star, each appearance
negotiated yea or nay according to the script, etc. Meant originally
to see very little of that partner, yadda yadda.
>Boy, tell me what you liked about any of the new cast members last
>year, outside of Downey.
Loved Larry, loved Melanie, loved many people who dropped in & out,
who are you thinking of? The only regular cast, or recurring for a
long while I truly haven't liked in the past 2 years has been Mark, I
think.
>Also, I've always gotten the impression that
>the general consensus is that Season 2 was the best, Season 3 the
>worst, and you ordered the other two on how much you liked Downey. Of
>course, you are the exception to the rule. :)
I don't think that we have either a general consensus or a rule. <G>
>> Yes, I grew to like, even love Ling, but, the show doesn't have to
>> have Ling, for me. At least I didn't continue to either hate her or be
>> bored with her, though, before she cut her involvement back. <g>
>
>Which is where some of us hugely disagree!! ;)
Right, there were always people who adored Ling from day one just as
there were people who didn't, a'tall!
>Does anyone watch reruns anymore? Ratings are down all over for them.
> Revenues for them are down. Society is changing. And it might have
>to do with the fact you mention that the rerun season is now longer
>than the real season (anyone old enough to remember shows ending in
>June and starting up in September? I'm being to think it's like
>Bigfoot- people say they've seen it, but can't prove it....). Still,
>most of my network programming (admittedly, not much anymore) comes
>from FOX.
Sure, I'm 50. I remember when no one any of us knew had a TV & then
when someone had one but there was only one channel it could pick up.
And, yes, like most people, I watch fewer & fewer reruns at the same
time that I also have fewer & fewer shows in the summer that I didn't
get to see during the real season & want to see then. There were a few
FL reruns I wanted to see this summer & they weren't on. I wanted to
see O&A in reruns & there weren't any. Yup, weird. I rewatched a good
bit of the Melanie reruns & some of the Larry reruns on ALLY, compared
to the first season when I watched all of them over.
--
DonnaB <*> shallotpeel on Yahoo 8^>
"I never said, 'I want to be alone.' I only said, 'I want to be left
alone.' There is all the difference." - Greta Garbo (1905-1990)
Homer5555
>maybe she should just be alone. Who knows I am sure it will be interesting
mayhaps she buys a vibrator . .
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>
> Rude?
>
> Mike Most is very generous with his time and information. He tells what he
> can, what he knows, and what is "allowed." He has helped to put rumors to
> rest, has given us hope for the future of the show and its characters,
> shares nice stories and comments about some of the guest stars, etc.
-- snipped, but well worth going back and reading --
Amen. Preach it, sister! There is a difference between rudness and
firmness.
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>
> Rude?
>
> Mike Most is very generous with his time and information. He tells what he
> can, what he knows, and what is "allowed." He has helped to put rumors to
> rest, has given us hope for the future of the show and its characters,
> shares nice stories and comments about some of the guest stars, etc.
-- snipped, but well worth going back and reading --
Amen. Preach it, sister! There is a difference between rudeness and