Simon gay???
Dave Moffat
seen a great number of posts about making Simon gay. First consideration is
that we are dealing with a 12-year old character on a tv show. What has not
been mentioned is that we are also dealing with a 14-year old actor by the
name of David Gallagher.
It's tough enough growing up gay. As the saying goes "Been there, done
that, bought the t-shirt". Wishing the job of portraying a gay character on
a public medium like television at an age when he is just coming into his
own cognizance of the meaning of the word sexuality, is a terrible burden
to inflict on one so young. Surely the fact that David the actor, has
friends hasn't escaped anybody. How are they going to react? You can hear
the "Oh, you're playing a fag on the show, you must be one!" arguments now.
The character of Jack on Dawson's Creek, just came out and that's fine.
It's a 20-year old portraying a 17 or 18 year old. He's at least aware of
his own sexuality and if he, as an actor, feels that he can adequately
portray this character -fine! But making Simon Camden the youngest gay
character on tv wouldn't be fair - to the character or the actor.
Then we get the believability issue. How many people, gays in particular,
would believe that a person with no sexual experience would be sure enough
of his sexual preference to announce it? (because that is what the posts
would lead me to believe -there is always something about the parents'
reactions)
Another one that struck me funny was trying to correlate Simon's request for
an earring with being gay. If you believe that earrings are strictly for
gay men, could I interest you in buying the Brooklyn Bridge? (Got to get
rid of the thing, it's cluttering up the back yard).
Now, the biggie: Post after post ad nauseum re: Ruthie -a bitch or just
precocious? My answer is neither. To evoke that amount of emotion and
controversy, she is one of the most competent actors on the screen. She has
a job to do, and that is to make the audience believe in and relate to, the
lines that she is reciting in front of the camera. She has obviously done
this in spades. You either love or you hate her, but nobody has yet come
forward and said that they don't believe her. This is the mark of a good
actor -bringing realism to the role.
So, this is a heck of a way to introduce myself to the group -forcing you to
read this long disjointed message, but I had to do this for Simon and David.
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Tomorrow doesn't look that good either.
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dwmo...@sprint.ca wrote the best post I have seen on this subject.
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PretzelMix
something that i dont agree with so. . .here i am :-)
Anywayz, im respondin to a post. Someone mentioned that David Gallager (the guy
that plays Simon on the show), that his friends would harass him for portraying
a gay charecter on a tv show. I disagree, us kids, especially now-a-days are
more mature than our parents used to be 20 or 30 years ago when they were
teenagers/pre-teens. Back in the 1950s or 1960s, from my experience on tv shows
from that time period and from my mom and dads stories from when they were
growing up, kids only hung out and went out with people thier own age, and they
harassed people who were different more often then. For example, during school
last week, someone starting making fun or a mentally retarded person in front
of a crowd of people, and every single person there made comments to him like
:whats wrong with u, and dude its not his fault hes retarded, etc. Not one
single person agreed with this person. Now from my parents and uncles and
aunts, people that were retarted got harassed at school alot when they were
younger too, and if you didnt go along with the crowd, u were considered "un
cool" (in todays slang). Bascially what im saying is the generation of our
parents were more mature to realize that just because alot of people agree with
something, that doesnt mean its right.
So i dont think any of Davids freinds would make fun of him for playing a gay
charecter on the show.
Second, in my original post i should have posted it in more detail. I was too
tired the night i wrote it and just wrote a short post cuz i had soooooo much
homework to do and it was due the next day and it was already like 1 in the
morning so .......um, anywayz......let me re-post what i should have said in
the first post:
I think that the show shoudl have Simon as a gay charecter. Not the "im gay"
type scenario that was familiar with the show "Ellen", but sort of a show that
continues on with the store every few episdoes or whatever. Like...have him
think hes gay and be confused about it cuz he likes girls too, and have his
parents find out in some way, and to add to the drama, make one parent strongly
object to it using the Bible as a weapon instead of a shield, and have the
other parents support it, and have both parents split up on the subject. Have
another charecter, one who seems to have a complusive, obsessive behavior (matt
comes to mind), do research on the subject of the Bible and gay people, and
have him realize that if the non-supporting parent read the entire Bible,
he/she would see that its really not wrong. I know from the verse in
um.....exodus? the second or third book, i forget which one. That one is a good
one to point out on the show. Anywayz.......i wrote more than i planned on
writing. I would like to write more but im getting hungry and were havin
mcdonalds for dinner. (YA BIG MACS!!!!!) k i got carried away there. lol
anywayz, respond if u want, agree, disagree, whatever. this would be an
interesting debate.
PretzelMix
G M H
two go which for this case I am pasting in here
Why is it that you people have to say this character is gay or that
character is gay or make this on e or that one gay ?
Seventh Heaven is a FAMILY show, yes it talks about sex but it is
mostly descretly. Simon [ who is in JR HIGH SCHOOL {6th otr 7th Grade}
is worrying about making the little league team not having sex with
some girl. Yes he has a "Girlfriend" and they are "going steady" but
if you recall that they said that it was just a figure and who is
close to who. and that they are in the 6th or seventh grade they do
not really have a sense of dating.
Now ruthie on the same hand is a girl in no more than 2nd grade.
Remember the episode with the baby shower. That boys started making
fun at girls if they see their underware? and that rutie did not like
that?
Now listen, WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THIS TYPE OF DEGRADING SHOW
THAT IS IN MY PERSONAL VIEW ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS ON TELEVISION?????
GARY
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On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:57:09 GMT, dwmo...@sprint.ca (Dave Moffat)
wrote:
Stephanie laraby
Brandon
???????
I thought the purpose of every television related newsgroup was to pick out
who's gay and who's not?
-Brandon
Brandon
gh...@banet.net (G M H) wrote:
> I am going to redirect you all to a posty that I made about a week or
> two go which for this case I am pasting in here
>
> Why is it that you people have to say this character is gay or that
> character is gay or make this on e or that one gay ?
>
> Seventh Heaven is a FAMILY show, yes it talks about sex but it is
> mostly descretly. Simon [ who is in JR HIGH SCHOOL {6th otr 7th Grade}
> is worrying about making the little league team not having sex with
> some girl. Yes he has a "Girlfriend" and they are "going steady" but
> if you recall that they said that it was just a figure and who is
> close to who. and that they are in the 6th or seventh grade they do
> not really have a sense of dating.
>
> Now ruthie on the same hand is a girl in no more than 2nd grade.
> Remember the episode with the baby shower. That boys started making
> fun at girls if they see their underware? and that rutie did not like
> that?
>
> Now listen, WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THIS TYPE OF DEGRADING SHOW
> THAT IS IN MY PERSONAL VIEW ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS ON TELEVISION?????
>
> GARY
>
[really long and annoying sig snipped]
Did someone say Ruthie was a lesbian?
Brandon
pretz...@aol.com (PretzelMix) wrote:
> Hi, i usually dont respond unless someone posts a question, or an opinion on
> something that i dont agree with so. . .here i am :-)
>
> Anywayz, im respondin to a post. Someone mentioned that David Gallager (the guy
> that plays Simon on the show), that his friends would harass him for portraying
> a gay charecter on a tv show. I disagree, us kids, especially now-a-days are
> more mature than our parents used to be 20 or 30 years ago when they were
> teenagers/pre-teens. Back in the 1950s or 1960s, from my experience on tv shows
> from that time period and from my mom and dads stories from when they were
> growing up, kids only hung out and went out with people thier own age, and they
> harassed people who were different more often then. For example, during school
> last week, someone starting making fun or a mentally retarded person in front
> of a crowd of people, and every single person there made comments to him like
> :whats wrong with u, and dude its not his fault hes retarded, etc. Not one
> single person agreed with this person. Now from my parents and uncles and
> aunts, people that were retarted got harassed at school alot when they were
> younger too, and if you didnt go along with the crowd, u were considered "un
> cool" (in todays slang). Bascially what im saying is the generation of our
> parents were more mature to realize that just because alot of people agree with
> something, that doesnt mean its right.
> So i dont think any of Davids freinds would make fun of him for playing a gay
> charecter on the show.
>
I agree with you... somewhat. I would say kids today are much more tolerant
and "wise" per se as their parents were when they were their age. But, the
case of someone being retarded and someone being openly gay at such a young
age is not really that comparable.
1) Most 12 or 13 year olds (I hope) would understand mental retardedness
somewhat, and understand that it isn't the person's "fault", and would
hopefully not be cruel
2) I would not expect most 12 or 13 year olds to fully grasp such a complex
subject such as homosexuality, and even if they did have a general idea of
what it exactly entails, many believe that homosexuality is a *choice*, and
thus lash out at gays. At the very least there would always be some people
that would taunt and harass him.
> Second, in my original post i should have posted it in more detail. I was too
> tired the night i wrote it and just wrote a short post cuz i had soooooo much
> homework to do and it was due the next day and it was already like 1 in the
> morning so .......um, anywayz......let me re-post what i should have said in
> the first post:
>
> I think that the show shoudl have Simon as a gay charecter. Not the "im gay"
> type scenario that was familiar with the show "Ellen", but sort of a show that
> continues on with the store every few episdoes or whatever. Like...have him
> think hes gay and be confused about it cuz he likes girls too, and have his
> parents find out in some way, and to add to the drama, make one parent strongly
> object to it using the Bible as a weapon instead of a shield, and have the
> other parents support it, and have both parents split up on the subject. Have
> another charecter, one who seems to have a complusive, obsessive behavior (matt
> comes to mind), do research on the subject of the Bible and gay people, and
> have him realize that if the non-supporting parent read the entire Bible,
> he/she would see that its really not wrong. I know from the verse in
> um.....exodus? the second or third book, i forget which one. That one is a good
> one to point out on the show. Anywayz.......i wrote more than i planned on
> writing. I would like to write more but im getting hungry and were havin
> mcdonalds for dinner. (YA BIG MACS!!!!!) k i got carried away there. lol
> anywayz, respond if u want, agree, disagree, whatever. this would be an
> interesting debate.
>
> PretzelMix
>
Not a bad idea, but for some reason I think 7th Heaven will stand a far
distance from the "gay thing". However, they could surprise me as they have
before. (gosh darn it that Mary pregnant thing was a teaser!)
Brandon
Um yes... if someone thinks Simon is gay then they can e-mail me too. And I
will tell them that I've seen every doggone episode of 7th Heaven, and that
Simon isn't gay (yet).
However, that one episode where Simon keeps on going into and out of the
closet could be a classic case of foreshadowing.
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com
>Someone mentioned that David Gallager (the guy
> > that plays Simon on the show), that his friends would harass him for >portraying a gay charecter
I can't find the thread! A prize for finding the poster who wrote this!:
>...
2) I would not expect most 12 or 13 year olds to fully grasp such a complex
> subject such as homosexuality, and even if they did have a general idea of
> what it exactly entails, many believe that homosexuality is a *choice*, and
> thus lash out at gays. At the very least there would always be some people
> that would taunt and harass him{David Gallagher}.
I've already said why I don't feel Simon should be gay, but another angle
here's been bought to my attention:
Most successful LA movie actors: men, women, children are tough as anything
and rather independent. When you think of the competition and the pressure,
they would have to be very, very tough.
I think David Gallagher could certainly stand up to children who were calling
him a "fag".
Brandon
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> pretz...@aol.com (PretzelMix) wrote:
> >Someone mentioned that David Gallager (the guy
> > > that plays Simon on the show), that his friends would harass him for >portraying a gay charecter
>
> I can't find the thread! A prize for finding the poster who wrote this!:
> >...
> 2) I would not expect most 12 or 13 year olds to fully grasp such a complex
> > subject such as homosexuality, and even if they did have a general idea of
> > what it exactly entails, many believe that homosexuality is a *choice*, and
> > thus lash out at gays. At the very least there would always be some people
> > that would taunt and harass him{David Gallagher}.
>
> I've already said why I don't feel Simon should be gay, but another angle
> here's been bought to my attention:
>
> Most successful LA movie actors: men, women, children are tough as anything
> and rather independent. When you think of the competition and the pressure,
> they would have to be very, very tough.
>
> I think David Gallagher could certainly stand up to children who were calling
> him a "fag".
>
Actually I wrote that, and my point had nothing to do with whether or not the
subject would be able to "stand up" to taunting peers, but just a general
comment on increasing tolerance over the generations. I agree with kids
today obviously having more tolerance than kids 30 or 40 years ago, but in a
"public" school environment not everyone is going to be tolerant, especially
to gays who have come out of the closet. The original poster made it seem
like the prospect of being taunted in today's society by their peers was
almost a non-issue and was a rarity, but my point was that being homosexual
is not exactly comparable to someone being "retarded", as the original poster
made a reference to. I then followed up with the comment that some narrow
minded individuals believe homosexuality is a choice and that gays can be
"converted".
-Brandon
EtCeTrA82
David
Darcy
David <Ami...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<16581-37...@newsd-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
> Not gay? Are you saying he is sad? He seems rather happy on the show?
>
>
my gosh, if you are serious, then you are too good to be true!
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com
Sorry to out rank you here, but I KNOW SIMON personally and I don't care if
he's gay or not! ;-)
Brandon
etce...@aol.com (EtCeTrA82) wrote:
> I KNOW David personally and he is NOT gay!
>
That's why the thread title is called "Simon gay?". I think the character
has some issues. Like, what was up with going off with that "car guy"
anyway? And it also seemed he enjoyed getting tied up by Ruthie.
-Brandon
Brandon
Ami...@webtv.net (David) wrote:
> Not gay? Are you saying he is sad? He seems rather happy on the show?
>
>
Yes, I would hope he is not sad! Happy = Gay, but I guess not because Happy
would not have had those puppies...
David
family pooch was named Happy. -;)
darby
Brandon <bhe...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in article
<And it also seemed he enjoyed getting tied up by Ruthie.
>
> -Brandon
>
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gosh, getting tied up has nothing to do with being gay....happy maybe, but
not gay....
G M H
1) [adj ] origins Old English: Gay meaning happy, joyfull
2) [noun] Contemporary : Homosexuals Males
On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 15:33:51 GMT, gh...@banet.net (G M H) wrote:
>I am going to redirect you all to a posty that I made about a week or
>two go which for this case I am pasting in here
>
>Why is it that you people have to say this character is gay or that
>character is gay or make this on e or that one gay ?
>
>Seventh Heaven is a FAMILY show, yes it talks about sex but it is
>mostly descretly. Simon [ who is in JR HIGH SCHOOL {6th otr 7th Grade}
>is worrying about making the little league team not having sex with
>some girl. Yes he has a "Girlfriend" and they are "going steady" but
>if you recall that they said that it was just a figure and who is
>close to who. and that they are in the 6th or seventh grade they do
>not really have a sense of dating.
>
>Now ruthie on the same hand is a girl in no more than 2nd grade.
>Remember the episode with the baby shower. That boys started making
>fun at girls if they see their underware? and that rutie did not like
>that?
>
>
>Now listen, WHY DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO DO THIS TYPE OF DEGRADING SHOW
>THAT IS IN MY PERSONAL VIEW ONE OF THE BEST SHOWS ON TELEVISION?????
>
>GARY
>
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>On Sat, 13 Mar 1999 03:57:09 GMT, dwmo...@sprint.ca (Dave Moffat)
Scott Hale
>
> In article <19990405171136...@ng41.aol.com>,
> etce...@aol.com (EtCeTrA82) wrote:
> > I KNOW David personally and he is NOT gay!
>
> he's gay or not! ;-)
>
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a kid is age would not even KNOW if they were gay or not. sheesh.
Like it matters this day and age anyway.
Shale
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com
> I KNOW David personally and he is NOT gay!
I wrote:
> Sorry to out rank you here, but I KNOW SIMON personally and I don't care if
> he's gay or not! ;-)
Scott Hale <Sh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> a kid is age would not even KNOW if they were gay or not. sheesh.
>
> Like it matters this day and age anyway.
Well it's a beautiful thought that it doesn't matter, but if Simon were gay,
it would matter to some. I don't mean to come down, because I really like
your attitude and I can tell you have a good heart, but if someday Simon were
gay he couldn't get alotta jobs or housing, and more to the point, he could
find himself bonked over the head with a baseball bat for walking with his
lover hand in hand down lover's lane one summer night. I know that's heavy,
but:::sigh:::, the world, but I know what your saying: People are going on so
much about Simon being gay or not gay it's kind of weird.
Simon is this wonderful mixture of competition and compassion,
light-heartedness and depth, adventurousness and conservativness What can I
say, I really dig him, and it's a pity to see him just turned into some gay
or not gay icon, you know what I'm saying?
Maybe I'm wrong here, but like are all his other qualities getting
disregarded in the beautiful eyes of the 7th Heaven newsgroup brothers and
sisters, and it's just like: "Hey! Wow! Is Simon gay or not?!"
(I also hear you, about alot of 13 year olds not knowing what they are
sexually, and I would hope, well, not even worrying about it, man. I mean
heck, they got their lives.)
I dunno man, I'm a little bit worried.
You know, we're all really wonderful complex beings. It's a shame when
someone's gotta come and stick a flat label on any of us, and say, like
that's the whole bag.
L, P, and U,
AGTiger
Scott Hale
>
> You know, we're all really wonderful complex beings. It's a shame when
> someone's gotta come and stick a flat label on any of us, and say, like
> that's the whole bag.
I think, somebody Simon's age (the character's age that is) would be
more sexually confused, then actually "gay".
In this case for this newsgroup would it matter ONE bit if the
character WAS gay? I think not. I for one, have not seen any
indication that the character Simon is, in any way, gay. Far from it.
Normal is the word I'd use.
bottom line it would not effect my "enjoyment" of the show if Simon
were gay. Would add some interesting story lines, however...
just Shale
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com
I'm going to take a, like maybe a kind of, a forward kind of leap here. I
hope I'm not reading into things, you know? But I have to tell you that it
seems to me, in my frame of mind right now, that your making 2 really good
points.
1) There's a system of flat labels called the human language and without it
it makes some communication, like really funky, you know?
2) If we don't make up our minds about things, that's not being complex,
that's being wishy-washy.
(If I got where your coming from wrong and I just don’t understand your post,
wow that’s embarrassing. Oops! I owe you a biiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggg apology.)
This is good really, good All my examples will be related to good old 7th,
and preferably Simon, since you know, this is his spiritual hang out post
discussion thing going with Simon title. I don't think I'm going to discuss
too much about him being gay though, so sorry to have deceived people who
wanted more gay stuff. I like writing gay posts about Simon. It’s just right
now I want to get into another thing.
Also, since I really don’t think it’s a hot idea for children to be actively
sexually, other then you know playing around, ”if Simon's gay”, seems like a
pointless discussion for my perceptions. I mean, what am I fighting for here?
Seeing thought balloons running through Simon's head? You know, man? It’s
just not my fight. .
Okay, Rev Eric come to his congregation on Sunday and instead of talking
about the lessons of the bible, he goes into a stream of consciousness
Rimbaud like speech, throws in a little James Joyce for good measure.
Hey, look, it would be a good episode for me, (in a way), but you know the
congregationers would feel gypped. They would say, "Hey man, we came here to
hear about Christ and be inspired on the teaching of Christianity by our
minister. Not to hear a Patti Smith poem, without the electric guitar
What's happening dude?” (As you can tell I’m paraphrasing a lot in this
post.)
And Eric says, "Well I'm just doing my own thing. Don't categorize me.”
And they say, "Yeah, but like we hired you to be a minister.”
And he says, “But, like a minister is, like a category and I asked you not to
categorize me.”
And they say, ”Well, I mean, come on, man. A minister’s what we hired you for!
And you know what? I think his congregation would have a valid point.
In the end categories are like sports. It’s all man made. Hey, ultimately
there are no winners and losers, but hey, if Simon, Nigel, and Deena were
playing basketball together and you know Simon in the middle of the game
starts doing a tap dance and Charleston steps, (don't worry, I'm not doing
that whole tango thing, again), Nigel, and Deena are gonna say, “Simon will
you play basketball? We want to see who wins.”
And Simon says, “There are no winners. Stop limiting my structure. Your
limiting my structure, what I'm doing. I’m supposed to tap dancing now.”
Well, how do you think Deena and Nigel will feel? They'll probably leave
Simon tap dancing, and Deena will become Nigel’s girlfriend, and Simon
wouldn't be friends at all with anyone. Will he?
(Of course, the sponsors wouldn't let Nigel and Deena be boyfriend and
girlfriend, because the sponsors have they’re own categories, and here they
and the world are wrong. On the other hand there was that wonderful old
lady. Remember in the church ladies episode?)
So Simon gets his own freedom and is alone in the world, because people can't
stand him: When he's supposed to go to his school, he starts tap dancing.
When he's supposed to do the laundry, he plays basketball. When, say: Matt
wants to talk to him he starts-- I dunno, like singing the Hallelujah Chorus
at the top of his lungs.
So he’s very free, but he’s very stupid, you know? Cause he’s lost all
connection with other people and he's missing out on the true beauty of
communication, because he refuses to categorize and I think that's a shame.
Fortunately, Simon (and Eric) isn't doing any of this stuff, I’m going on
about. Wake ourselves from the nightmare, man. It was just a bad dream. Wow,
heavy!
So, I'm not saying Simon and Eric shouldn't play by categories, but they
should know it’s a game they’re playing, that things aren’t really
categorizable, that they're playing categories for the sake of they're
friends. Like for the human community, you know?
It’s like a really good sports game, but really things are really beyond
categories, but they should know it’s a game just so you know, they don’t
trapped and stagnate and mentally die, within some artificial construct.
The catagorization game is done, so that everyone with all their different
viewpoints, and individuality, and cultures can understand something
together, you know, to an extent,since we don’t have mental telepthy or
anything.
I mean look at 7th Heaven what is it? You have all these experts in magazine
articles and no one knows. Us mag and TV guide are really working admirably
trying to pin it down and they just can't. They keep saying its a 1950s show,
and anyone who's watched it-- well, I don't mean to be impolite, but you
know, anyone who’s watched it, knows it isn’t (i.e. Ruthie is so cool, but
can you imagine her on Ozzie and Harriet?).
I couldn't tell you what 7th Heaven is either. You try and categorize, it’s
dumb. I know the casts great, the scripts are great, but what is 7th Heaven?
I mean, yeah, duh, a TV show , but you know what I’m talking about.
If you really watch this thing you'll realize it’s beyond words, very Zen
like if I can say that without sounding, you know, snooty.
Okay here’s the example of 2). I can't figure out a Simon example, so I'm
using a David Gallagher example:
In an interview in Jan CS interview, David Gallagher says he isn’t
particularly concerned about 7th Heaven as a show about morals. . He looks on
it as an acting job.
In the US magazine he says he's glad he's on a show that teaches people
morals.
::::Woooong:::: Hard Copy where are you?! LOL Nah, I'm just joking. He’s not
the president of the United States, he’s a cool actor. I don't care if he
swims with the tides for the publicity department.
But let’s say he's not swimming with the tide, lets say there are two
completely opposing aspects of David Gallagher’s personality, (happens to the
best of us, man.) What if he's really glad he’s on a show that teaches
morals, and he doesn't give a darn he’s on a show that teaches morals at the
same time? Is this, like wishy-washy or is he being who he is? I dunno.
Okays guys, here a 7th Heaven example where I think I was wishy-washy:
Someone , I forget who, sorry-- okay I remember who, but I don’t want to
start a whole thing because they're a beautiful person. This newsgroup
brother was saying, like in reference to the Hamiltons, “Black Camden’s!
Black Camden’s! (I mean that’s not all he was saying.)
So I said, “Well you know, in my humble opinion we should call the Hamilton’s
by their names, man.”
And then some other guy who's cool wrote “Like: well, no man we have to call
them the black Camdens, because calling them the Hamilton’s would be, like
politically correct, and politically correct is the end of civilization.
And so I wrote, “Oh, yeah, wow, that's heavy. Well, I guess since people are
sometimes prejudice in their minds they should always just have, like things
out in the open. So if you want to call Nigel the black Camden, or I guess, a
"nigger" I guess, that's cool.”
But then I thought about and I said to myself, “You know, that's not cool,
you don't call people names. So then you know, I was going to write about
that, but I got sidetracked. So I was going back and forth with this issue a
million miles a minute, and I don’t think that was particularly complex of
me. I just didn’t know what to decide.
BTW, now I’ve decided you don’t call people names, because you know, I think
that that’s kind of wrong. One of the wonderful, super cool things about
using language is you don’t have always be giving your entire mind to
people. You can be selective, what your giving.
So, wow, there are, like these issues, you know? And like yup, we need
categories for language and clear direct communication, although I like Patti
Smith, Rimbaud, (and, to be honest: James Joyce is beyond my attention span,
I've got to admit it. What are you gonna do? Someday.)
But, like if I was asking for directions to get to the supermarket I wouldn't
want a Patti Smith poem. Even Patti Smith says, "In dreams, abandon. In life
walk with stealth.” She’s smart.
So would Simon ever scream a Patti Smith poem in wild abandon, while Rod
played guitar. No, I don't think he would, not in his character, but I kind
of wish he would, because it would be so cool, but then if he did I'd
complain. Here’s another example of wishy-washy, or am I complex?
I wanted to tie this all together, but gosh.
Love, Peace, and Understanding,
Farmer in the Hills
anotherg...@my-dejanews.com wrote: <snip> > The catagorization game is
done, so that everyone with all their different > viewpoints, and
individuality, and cultures can understand something > together, you know,
doesn't really matter whether we drive on the left side of the road or the
right, but we all have to AGREE on one or the other. And elsewhere it can be
different from the way we agreed on, but when you're driving there you have
to constantly keep that in mind & not slip into doing what always worked at
home. If you've got a lot of time on your hands, look up Mo Tsu, a Chinese
activist-philosopher who felt that the most important thing about beliefs was
that we not fight about them, so he taught that we should all believe the
same, not because it was right but because that way we wouldn't fight about
it.
Scott Hale
> I wanted to tie this all together, but gosh.
>
> Love, Peace, and Understanding,
> AGTiger
Interesting note, I think. :)
Bottom line Simon is not gay; nor has he shown any indications the
character is gay. also, as I stated before, no real way for a preteen
to EVEN know they are gay since they are NOT active, or shouldn't be
active. Sexually confused, yes, but not GAY.
And as I've said: who really gives a hoot? Certainly would not change
my enjoyment of the show one bit.
just Shale
Scott Hale
>
> I can't believe that in 1999, this even needs to be discussed. I mean who
> cares whether he is or isn't. I mean so of the discussion on this topic
> saddens me greatly. I thought that people were more open-minded than this.
>
>
> Get over it already!!!
>
> darb.
agreed and amen. This day and age is really does not make any
difference. Specially since the topic is a CHARACTER in a TV show.
sheesh.
Shale
donald moran
daughters. "Neve jr." & the skinny blonde chick....am I the only one?