Ruthie is not a Camden.
Dry CPA Firm Member
I really think Ruthie is a black girl. C'mon, you all have thought it
at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
different from the other kids & parents):
"boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
white genetically speaking. This is not a racial post, again, just an
observation that I think is pretty humorous. I envision an upcoming
episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
(hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
them). She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
in her character.
What do you think... I think something's up.
Joe
Nikol
I think that she's Black too. Possibly 1/4...not 1/2. That was the
first thing I thought when I saw her.
Nikol
hill_...@my-dejanews.com
Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> I really think Ruthie is a black girl. C'mon, you all have thought it
> at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> different from the other kids & parents):
> "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> white genetically speaking. This is not a racial post, again, just an
> observation that I think is pretty humorous. I envision an upcoming
> episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> them). She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> in her character.
> What do you think... I think something's up.
>
>
I really gotta install a sarcasm filter. We just recently extracted
ourselves from a dust-up which (we were finally told) started with a post
that was intended humorously. (That aspect must have slipped past a lot of
people.) And so when I read the above I felt like I'm colorblind & can't
tell what color the light is turning, don't know whether to get ready to flow
with traffic, or just run like blazes to the sidewalk.
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Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> I really think Ruthie is a black girl.
LOL!
C'mon, you all have thought it
> at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> different from the other kids & parents):
> "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> white genetically speaking.
Where did Simon get the almost white blond hair?
This is not a racial post, again, just an
> observation that I think is pretty humorous.
I didn't see anything racial.
I envision an upcoming
> episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> them).
You know, that's not as far fetched as some might think.
She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> in her character.
> What do you think... I think something's up.
> Joe
>
I don't think anything is up. I think Mackenzie (sp?) is a VERY cute and
adorable little girl who was cast because of her looks, sponk and acting
ability. I believe that David was cast for the same reason. Both of these
characters do not look like each other at all or like the rest of the family,
but this is TV, not real life, and it would be hard to find 7 people who look
all alike. I mean, what was up with the Cosby family?
Don
>
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my post. Seems like a lot of folks are too easily offended and I wanted to guard
against that...if that's what you meant?
hill_...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3639BCEB...@vnet.net>,
> Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> > Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> > I really think Ruthie is a black girl. C'mon, you all have thought it
> > at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> > different from the other kids & parents):
> > "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> > other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> > white genetically speaking. This is not a racial post, again, just an
> > observation that I think is pretty humorous. I envision an upcoming
> > episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> > (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> > them). She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> > appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> > in her character.
> > What do you think... I think something's up.
> > Joe
> >
> >
>
> I really gotta install a sarcasm filter. We just recently extracted
> ourselves from a dust-up which (we were finally told) started with a post
> that was intended humorously. (That aspect must have slipped past a lot of
> people.) And so when I read the above I felt like I'm colorblind & can't
> tell what color the light is turning, don't know whether to get ready to flow
> with traffic, or just run like blazes to the sidewalk.
>
> Farmer in the Hills
>
bhe...@my-dejanews.com
Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> I really think Ruthie is a black girl. C'mon, you all have thought it
> at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> different from the other kids & parents):
> "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> white genetically speaking. This is not a racial post, again, just an
> observation that I think is pretty humorous. I envision an upcoming
> episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> them). She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> in her character.
> What do you think... I think something's up.
> Joe
>
>
I agree 100%. That's the first thing people have asked when watching the
show with me. "Is Ruthie adopted"? I thought she looked more Hispanic,
rather than black, although like someone said it could be the Mariah Carey
thing going on.
Lucy and Simon could be related. Matt and Mary could be. Ruthie?.... maybe
related to Matt & Mary. She looks so different.
Of course, these are actors, and not a real family. I can think of many
shows where the family didn't look at all like each other. Especially shows
with black families, as there are many shades to ebony and if that was a
criteria to find actors for a show it would be impossible. The 'Party of
Five' Salinger family looks pretty good, and so does 'Promised Land'.
-Brandon
Ric 322
the same parents so
it is not uncommon for siblings to vary rather widely
in appearance. While many children look very
much like their parents,
others do not. Ruthie not having the same complexion and hair as Simon
is
still well within the possibilities of genetics.
Ruthie being adopted is
virtually zilch because all the busybodies in the congregation would
know
plus all the other Camden kids, and one of them would have let the secret
slip out long ago.
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have forgotten it.
Lucy and Simon... Parents haven't told them yet because of Lucy's gross over
immaturity at times and Simon being in the same room, one never knows when in a
little squable between Simon and Ruthie, Simon would just bellow it out to her,
the way kids do.
I am just waiting for Ruthie to have some kids on the play ground at school to
ask her "is that your daddy (or mommy) picking you up?" And Ruthie then getting
it in her head that she is adopted.
I can see it coming but that kind of episode is sort of a "throw it in when you
don't have any other ideas" kind of episode.
This show is refreshing... so much more than the krap they keep recycling:
Typical commercial for the many recycled shows:
"Next on (insert FOX, WB, UPN, etc) , a 'new' show about teenagers having sex"
Happy Halloween
Joe
me
>Matt and Mary both know and are mature enough to not tell...
But how many times during the pregnancy have just the parents (while all
alone) mentioned going through this 5 times before, or mentioned this when
only Matt or Mary were present? And the comments have went all the way to
"gave birth" and not only "been pregnant". Of course the 5th child could
have died after birth, but that would be a BIG thing to have left out of the
storyline for so long.
Dry CPA Firm Member
Archbishop Dave uh... "Smith"
Heya Joe,
You know, I've heard that many times before. I figured she was
bi-racial myself, but when I met her in person she looked like a pretty
average white girl. I reckon she just photographs dark.
--Dave
Here's my page where I visited Ruthie (edited by Special Request of
Ruthie's real life mom)
http://www.ulink.net/~archbishop/7thHeaven/7ruthie.htm
Denise Kwan
parents... genetically speaking... but it is impossible for ruthie to be the the
way she is... she is a completely different race/nationality, she looks puerto
rican or something like that, no way she can be "white". if they were pondering
the adoption idea and the fact that she is different nationality, i think they
would've done it a long time ago because they would be aware that people would
question the fact that she does look different. i think that they just don't
care. i agree that she is very cute and adorable, she was my favorite character
when i first started watching, and probably still but i don't really know because
she and the show is different (not in a bad way). mary isn't all that dark
either, she probably just has a little tan (eric isn't that white colored skin...
it's fair).
pon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <3639BCEB...@vnet.net>,
> Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> > Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> > I really think Ruthie is a black girl.
>
> LOL!
>
> C'mon, you all have thought it
> > at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> > different from the other kids & parents):
> > "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> > other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> > white genetically speaking.
>
> Where did Simon get the almost white blond hair?
>
> This is not a racial post, again, just an
> > observation that I think is pretty humorous.
>
> I didn't see anything racial.
>
> I envision an upcoming
> > episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> > (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> > them).
>
> You know, that's not as far fetched as some might think.
>
> She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> > appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> > in her character.
> > What do you think... I think something's up.
> > Joe
> >
>
> I don't think anything is up. I think Mackenzie (sp?) is a VERY cute and
> adorable little girl who was cast because of her looks, sponk and acting
> ability. I believe that David was cast for the same reason. Both of these
> characters do not look like each other at all or like the rest of the family,
> but this is TV, not real life, and it would be hard to find 7 people who look
> all alike. I mean, what was up with the Cosby family?
>
> Don
> >
>
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> http://www.icdc.com/~maverick
>
Denise Kwan
blond hair (getting technical now) because dark hair is the dominant gene and
light hair the recessive so that the parents have to have one of each and when
conceiving simon had to have gotton the recessive (light haired) gene from both
of them. but as for ruthie it is not possible, the parents have no puerto rican
in them, or whatever mackenzie is... and even if far back when they both happen
to have some in them (coincidence), it wouldn't happen because in order for her
to be that way, they would BOTH have to be at least half puerto rican, or
whatever nationality. and we know that both their parents are "white".
Denise Kwan
Dry CPA Firm Member wrote:
Denise Kwan
hill_...@my-dejanews.com
(Gee, when you say it that way, it sounds so conceited.)
Christy Hook
how mre camden must of had an affair with a black man :P
On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:19:39 -0500, Dry CPA Firm Member
<dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
>Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
>I really think Ruthie is a black girl. C'mon, you all have thought it
>at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
>different from the other kids & parents):
>"boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
>other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
>white genetically speaking. This is not a racial post, again, just an
>observation that I think is pretty humorous. I envision an upcoming
>episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
>(hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
>them). She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
hobo_ste...@hotmail.com
is Jewish not Puerto Rican.
And, instead of Ruthie being adopted we may find out that "Eric" isn't
the biological daddy. Flings happen.
hobo
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Denise Kwan wrote:
>
> well it is possible for simon to get the blond hair from the two brown haired
> parents... genetically speaking... but it is impossible for ruthie to be the the
> way she is... she is a completely different race/nationality, she looks puerto
> rican or something like that, no way she can be "white". if they were pondering
> the adoption idea and the fact that she is different nationality, i think they
> would've done it a long time ago because they would be aware that people would
> question the fact that she does look different. i think that they just don't
> care. i agree that she is very cute and adorable, she was my favorite character
> when i first started watching, and probably still but i don't really know because
> she and the show is different (not in a bad way). mary isn't all that dark
> either, she probably just has a little tan (eric isn't that white colored skin...
> it's fair).
>
> pon...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> > In article <3639BCEB...@vnet.net>,
> > Dry CPA Firm Member <dryc...@vnet.net> wrote:
> > > Here is a new observation: (let me preface again, I love the show)
> > > I really think Ruthie is a black girl.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > C'mon, you all have thought it
> > > at least once (maybe not that she is black but at least very very
> > > different from the other kids & parents):
> > > "boy" I've said to my wife, "Ruthie sure looks different from all the
> > > other kids." I know, Mary is somewhat dark, but the Parents are pretty
> > > white genetically speaking.
> >
> > Where did Simon get the almost white blond hair?
> >
> > This is not a racial post, again, just an
> > > observation that I think is pretty humorous.
> >
> > I didn't see anything racial.
> >
> > I envision an upcoming
> > > episode where Mom and Dad Camden let Ruthie know that she is adopted
> > > (hey they are a very nice and charitable family, I wouldn't put it past
> > > them).
> >
> > You know, that's not as far fetched as some might think.
> >
> > She seems soooo different from the others, not only in
> > > appearance with the very dark mariah carry like skin and black hair, but
> > > in her character.
> > > What do you think... I think something's up.
> > > Joe
> > >
> >
> > I don't think anything is up. I think Mackenzie (sp?) is a VERY cute and
> > adorable little girl who was cast because of her looks, sponk and acting
> > ability. I believe that David was cast for the same reason. Both of these
> > characters do not look like each other at all or like the rest of the family,
> > but this is TV, not real life, and it would be hard to find 7 people who look
> > all alike. I mean, what was up with the Cosby family?
> >
> > Don
> > >
> >
> > --
> > pon...@my-dejanews.com
> > http://www.icdc.com/~maverick
> >
Ric 322
Rosman
is Puerto Rican. It does not appear that she is Puerto Rican just
that she has
dark hair and a dark complexion. Even Archbishop Dave, who
saw her in
person, says she looks like a white girl. I happen to be blonde
with fair skin
yet I have a brother who has dark brown hair, darker
complexion, and who
doesn't look much like me.
You also have no proof
for the hypothesis that Eric and Annie don't have
Puerto Rican blood. They
could easily have such genes even if they are
not expressed. Genotype is
your gene composition and phenotype is
your appearance based on expression
of those genes and the environment.
One reason Ruthie's complexion is
darker may be because she plays in
the sun and tans easily.
Human skin,
hair, and eye color are polygenic, not single gene traits.
AkriD 25
or some sort of latin american, and half White, its possible, maybe she is Half
Aferican American and half white, but when it comes to genetics, Im a dumbass
anyway, so im probably totally wrong**
Denise Kwan
Ric 322 wrote:
> I can't agree with the analysis because there is no proof that Mackenzie
> Rosman
>
> is Puerto Rican. It does not appear that she is Puerto Rican just
> that she has
>
> dark hair and a dark complexion. Even Archbishop Dave, who
> saw her in
>
i said that i wasn't sure what her race was, just that it wasn't white...no
matter what the skin color you can usually tell their race isn't white.
>
> person, says she looks like a white girl. I happen to be blonde
> with fair skin
>
ii don't know , maybe she is... but i don't think so, but she could possibly
be white.
>
> yet I have a brother who has dark brown hair, darker
> complexion, and who
>
> doesn't look much like me.
>
> You also have no proof
> for the hypothesis that Eric and Annie don't have
>
> Puerto Rican blood. They
> could easily have such genes even if they are
> not expressed. Genotype is
> your gene composition and phenotype is
>
> your appearance based on expression
> of those genes and the environment.
>
> One reason Ruthie's complexion is
> darker may be because she plays in
>
> the sun and tans easily.
>
for ruthie to look like the "other" nationality, both the parents have to be
at least half of it and as i mentioned before we have seen both of their
parents and they are the "other" nationality. if their parents were then
that would make eric or annie a quarter not half, and if all four of their
parents were half of the "other" nationality, i guess that would have be a
very big coincidence wouldn't you say? but then and only then do i believe
that ruthie would look like the "other"nationality. but you have your
opinion and i have mine and let's get passed it already.
Denise Kwan
sorry but i did say that i wasn't sure what she was...
dkw...@ccsf.cc.ca.us wrote:
>the parents have no puerto rican in them, or whatever mackenzie is...
D J CORN wrote:
> >I can't agree with the analysis because there is no proof that Mackenzie
> >Rosman
> >
> > is Puerto Rican
>
> You're right,she is not Puerto Rican.Her dad just has darker coloring--brown
> hair, brown eyes, and her mom is fair skinned and blonde hair.
Denise Kwan
but i did say that i wasn't sure what she was...
perfect.
dkw...@ccsf.cc.ca.us wrote:
>the parents have no puerto rican in them, or whatever mackenzie is...
Ric 322
I don't think people are attacking you, just disagreeing
with you. White people are not all lily white. For example, Italians are
considered white, and they often have rather dark complexions.
Your idea
that white skin color is genetically dominant over black skin color is
simply incorrect. Human skin color is determined by 3 to 6 genes and is also
greatly influenced by the sun due to tanning. Therefore it is very complex
to study. It is possible for a white couple to give birth to a baby who has
skin much darker than either parent. The odds of it happening may not be
very great, but it does happen occasionally. It is also possible for a
couple with one black and one white parent to give birth to a child with
skin as light as the one parent or skin as dark as the other parent or with
skin of many different shades in between. These are laws of genetics, and
your opinion will not change them.
D J CORN
hobo_ste...@hotmail.com
newsgroups. In most discussion groups you are likely to find people whose opinions are
different from yours. The exchange of ideas and information are the main reasons Usenet
was created.
As far as my response goes, there was no "attack" - I just stated a different opinion.
I've read through other people's responses and saw nothing that looked like an "attack"
from any of them either. However my ISP is notorious for missing/extremely late posts so
I may have missed something of a vicious nature.
hobo
Denise Kwan
Larry Guzman
Matt., Mary and Lucy look more alike. Simon looks almost out of place
as Ruthie.
I could have sworn I saw Mackenzie Rosman in a music video for "Native
New Yorker" a few years ago.
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