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SPOILER and Summary for Episode 7-9: Lost Souls

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The Big Show

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In response to some concerns expressed about last week's spoiler, I wish to
emphasize that this is as complete a summary I can provide within a short
time frame. I make no deliberate attempt to misrepresent the content of the
show, but my notes can get fuzzy at times so some events may be compressed
or omitted. With that in mind, away we go ...

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The episode begins with Eddie's Pool Hall. It's country music week, and
Cody Bryant (as himself) is playing "Honky Tonkin'." Lucy walks into the
hall for her date with Kevin. When he sees him dancing with Roxanne, she
storms out. Chandler is waiting outside, and asks her what's wrong. Lucy
asks the associate minister if he's ever been incredibly in love with
someone he'd do anything for. Chandler says yes, he has, but she broke up
with him. Then he asks her if she wants to talk about what's bothering her.
Meanwhile, Simon is dancing with Cecilia. Kevin asks them if they've seen
Lucy. Roxie says she called the dispatcher but no accidents were reported.
Even though they're off duty, Kevin asks his partner to go looking for Lucy
if she doesn't show up within 15 minutes. Roxanne, however, is reluctant.
She's waiting for a date, too, someone she's dating within the police force.
Simon and Cecilia aren't too thrilled about the idea about looking for Lucy,
either.

Back at home, Annie and Eric are talking in the living room. Eric is in no
mood to go out anywhere, even though Annie wants to go country dancing. He
decides to go to the backyard instead, alone. Meanwhile, Sam and David say
they hear a strange kid throwing rocks. It's a boy named Peter, who lives
down the street and is in the same class as Ruthie. He begs Eric to let him
see Ruthie even though she's still grounded. (He mistakenly called a cell
phone thinking it belonged to Ruthie when it belonged to someone living at
the house; that person confirming Ruthie lived there. Peter is trying to
take advantage of the fact Ruthie can't see Jake. But he also addresses
Eric as "Mr. Camden," not "Rev. Camden." Eric is so stunned that when he
goes back inside, he fails to notice that Annie has freshened up. Kevin
comes home, asking if Ruthie knows where Lucy might be. When Ruthie says
she doesn't, Kevin and Roxie get moving.

Lucy and Chandler head into the church sanctuary. They've decided to have
dinner there. Chandler says he feels at peace in there, and Lucy replies
that she does too. In the backyard at home, Eric tells God that he's
quitting. At the pool hall, Annie asks Eddie if he's seen Kevin or Lucy,
and the owner says he hasn't. A man sitting at the bar offers to dance with
her at a "lesson" they're having at the pool hall, and reluctantly, Annie
agrees. Back at church, Lucy and Chandler are talking about why they want
to be ministers. Lucy says she wants to follow in her father's footsteps.
Chandler points out that many people don't think women should be ministers,
to which Lucy replies only SOME women shouldn't be ministers. Chandler then
says he became a minister at first only to spite his non-religious parents
who wanted him to study business. He was more interested in words and
empowerment (in the old sense of the word) than understanding balance
sheets.

Roxanne suspects that Lucy may have spotted her and Kevin and that's why she
went missing. Kevin says it's not like Lucy, that she's the type that
expresses her feelings. Roxie then admits that she doesn't like Lucy, to
which Kevin replies he doesn't like the fact she doesn't like Lucy. Roxie
invites Kevin to kiss her just once, but Kevin flatly refuses, that one kiss
could change a lot of things. When prompted as to why she became a cop,
Roxie says she witnessed an incident as a kid where a man was beating up his
wife. The cops persuaded the woman to testify but as she left the station,
she was shot by an unknown assailant. She then says she misses her mom.
Kevin then talks about his becoming a cop, saying that unlike his brother
Ben who became a fire fighter, he doesn't like to put out fires. Roxanne
then muses she wanted to be a police profiler but her application to join
that division was rejected, but she's going to try again.

Simon and Cecilia go around the promenade, but they can't find Lucy either.
As it turns out, Cecilia's dad's company has the contract to clean the
county's schools, and she works for her dad as a night janitor. Simon
admits he has no job, that he just lives off his allowance for doing stuff
around the house. Cecilia is surprised he still gets an allowance. Peter
returns to the house, and tells Eric he was locked out while doing a
"science experiment" - actually, of course, he had sneaked out of his
bedroom window so he could see Ruthie. Eric lets him in and Kevin confronts
the kid, and then asks Eric if Lucy came home yet. Peter then talks to
Kevin about his problem when Kevin explains that he's a cop.

Eric talks to Ruthie about his decision to quit as a minister. She tells
him to help the kid, but to her shock he says he doesn't want to, that Kevin
can help. Back at the pool hall, Annie is drinking something alcoholic.
Eddie asks her what's wrong, and Annie says that the heart surgery her
husband had may have "taken a piece out of his heart." Annie gets home, and
sees Eric playing his guitar country style as Happy listens. Eric tells his
wife he's getting out of the ministry, because he just can't put his heart
in it anymore. Annie chastises him for trying to turn "lemonade into a
lemon" and paraphrases John F. Kennedy's famous dictum: "Ask not what God
can do for you, ask what you can do for God."

Accompanied by Kevin and Roxanne, Peter knocks on the door of his house,
begging his mother to let him in. She finally opens the door. Kevin says
the kid was worried and the cops thought she might be on drugs or alcoholic.
The woman flatly denies that, she's just a single mom trying to juggle being
a mom and work so they can live in a nice neighborhood. Peter replies he do
esn't need a super-mom, and that he knows his dad is a deadbeat and he's
tired of her trying to hide things from him; that she doesn't have to work
so hard. The mother gets the point. Simon and Cecilia return to the pool
hall just as Kevin and Roxanne show up. Simon figures out that his sister
must be at the church, but wonders why she would talk to Chandler and not
her own father. Kevin asks why Lucy isn't talking to HIM, and storms out.

At the church, Lucy is describing the "Tic-Tac" incident (Season 2's "Lead,
Follow or Get Out of the Way") to Chandler when Kevin walks in. Noticing
the food on the platform, Kevin calls Lucy and Chandler on it. As Kevin
goes out, Roxanne walks in. Kevin impulsively French-kisses Roxie and walks
out. Just as Roxie is turning around to go into the sanctuary, she sees
Lucy walking out - unfortunately, she saw the kiss. At the pool hall,
Cecilia's father shows up. When Simon admits he cleans the toilets at home,
the man offers Simon a job on the spot. Cecilia French-kisses Simon and
leaves with her father. Back at home, Ruthie says they found Lucy and Peter
got safely home, Eric replies so lackadaisically that Ruthie just gives up
and goes back inside. Annie calls her husband inside, but he stays outside
long enough for Lucy to come home and tell his daughter he's quitting.

As Eric goes inside, Roxanne shows up and tries to explain to Lucy what
happened was entirely her fault, that she practically begged Kevin to kiss
her. Lucy replies that it was in fact her OWN fault, that she feels she's
competing with Roxanne. Roxie replies she had to listen all night to how
much Kevin loves Lucy, and that he's waiting at the pool hall for her.
Roxie also reminds Lucy that she's a Christian and she's supposed to believe
in forgiveness. Lucy shows up at the pool hall. She admits to Kevin she
was jealous of Roxanne, but she forgives him. Kevin tells Lucy he's not
going to forgive her, but they dance to a country song anyway. Fade to
black.


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Ryan3178

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Nov 17, 2002, 11:51:30 PM11/17/02
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And people wonder why I don't watch this show anymore. Here is a prime
example.


Readster

David / Amicus

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Nov 17, 2002, 11:14:03 PM11/17/02
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Thank-you so much! And please pay no attention to any criticism some
may lay at you. I appreciate what you're doing.

Shy Guy

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Nov 19, 2002, 12:26:49 AM11/19/02
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Geez, Show, I didn't mean to give you a complex:) And FWIW, this summary is
definitely more detailed and more accurate than last week's.

There are still some unintentional alterations which I think are significant
to the plot or to the characters, such as the motivation for what made
Roxanne a cop, but I know better now than to post corrections.

As always, thanks for the post.

Shy Guy

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The Big Show

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"Shy Guy" <his__s...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Geez, Show, I didn't mean to give you a complex:) And FWIW, this summary
is
> definitely more detailed and more accurate than last week's.

Who said anything about a complex? I said last week that I welcome
constructive criticism; in fact, I think it helps me improve on the
summaries I do provide.

Shy Guy

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"The Big Show" <ac.adanactta@cicalvapr> wrote in message
news:nDqC9.18706$H67....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...

> I said last week that I welcome
> constructive criticism; in fact, I think it helps me improve on the
> summaries I do provide.

Well OK then. In that case, see comments below. . .


"The Big Show" <ac.adanactta@cicalvapr> wrote in message
news:HgVB9.18572$H67....@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...

> The episode begins with Eddie's Pool Hall. It's country music week, and
> Cody Bryant (as himself) is playing "Honky Tonkin'." Lucy walks into the
> hall for her date with Kevin. When he sees him dancing with Roxanne, she
> storms out. Chandler is waiting outside, and asks her what's wrong. Lucy
> asks the associate minister if he's ever been incredibly in love with
> someone he'd do anything for. Chandler says yes, he has, but she broke up
> with him. Then he asks her if she wants to talk about what's bothering
her.
> Meanwhile, Simon is dancing with Cecilia. Kevin asks them if they've seen
> Lucy. Roxie says she called the dispatcher but no accidents were
reported.
> Even though they're off duty, Kevin asks his partner to go looking for
Lucy
> if she doesn't show up within 15 minutes. Roxanne, however, is reluctant.
> She's waiting for a date, too, someone she's dating within the police
force.
> Simon and Cecilia aren't too thrilled about the idea about looking for
Lucy,
> either.

And yet, despite Simon's unsubtle hints to Kevin that he and Cecilia are
there on a date (so bugger off), Kevin still essentially ORDERS them to go
out and search for Lucy. The way K bullies around the rest of the family is
ridiculous and just helps him look like an ass. I just can't figure out why
they always do what he says.

>
>
>
> Back at home, Annie and Eric are talking in the living room. Eric is in
no
> mood to go out anywhere, even though Annie wants to go country dancing.
He
> decides to go to the backyard instead, alone. Meanwhile, Sam and David
say
> they hear a strange kid throwing rocks. It's a boy named Peter, who lives
> down the street and is in the same class as Ruthie. He begs Eric to let
him
> see Ruthie even though she's still grounded. (He mistakenly called a cell
> phone thinking it belonged to Ruthie when it belonged to someone living at
> the house; that person confirming Ruthie lived there.

Did that exchange occur in ANYONE else's episode besides the Big Show's? I
sure don't recall it happening in mine. Do they edit out certain scenes for
broadcast in the United States, am I developing early Alzheimer's, or is it.
. .something else? I remember the point being made that Ruthie does not
have a cell phone, after Peter asks her or the Rev about it (I'm writing
this post 24 hours after watching, so at this point my own memory may be a
bit impaired.) This exchange is a followup to Kevin's line in an earlier
scene, when he is upset that he can't contact Lucy to find out where she is
and asks Simon, "Can you tell me AGAIN why NO ONE in your family has a cell
phone?" Good point, although as usual he comes off as a pompous ass. But
then again, that is who he is.

Peter is trying to
> take advantage of the fact Ruthie can't see Jake. But he also addresses
> Eric as "Mr. Camden," not "Rev. Camden." Eric is so stunned that when he
> goes back inside, he fails to notice that Annie has freshened up. Kevin
> comes home, asking if Ruthie knows where Lucy might be. When Ruthie says
> she doesn't, Kevin and Roxie get moving.
>
>
>
> Lucy and Chandler head into the church sanctuary. They've decided to have
> dinner there. Chandler says he feels at peace in there, and Lucy replies
> that she does too. In the backyard at home, Eric tells God that he's
> quitting. At the pool hall, Annie asks Eddie if he's seen Kevin or Lucy,
> and the owner says he hasn't. A man sitting at the bar offers to dance
with
> her at a "lesson" they're having at the pool hall, and reluctantly, Annie
> agrees.

Yes, she does so reluctantly, and only after she sees the man on the other
side of her at the bar leering at her in a very disturbing fashion. All of
a sudden the guy offering to teach her to dance seems like the lesser of two
evils.

Back at church, Lucy and Chandler are talking about why they want
> to be ministers. Lucy says she wants to follow in her father's
footsteps.
> Chandler points out that many people don't think women should be
ministers,
> to which Lucy replies only SOME women shouldn't be ministers. Chandler
then
> says he became a minister at first only to spite his non-religious parents
> who wanted him to study business. He was more interested in words and
> empowerment (in the old sense of the word) than understanding balance
> sheets.

Yes, I found that ironic. He decides to become a minister after being
inspired by that well known commandment, "Dishonor thy father and thy
mother." Or something like that.

>
>
>
> Roxanne suspects that Lucy may have spotted her and Kevin and that's why
she
> went missing. Kevin says it's not like Lucy, that she's the type that
> expresses her feelings. Roxie then admits that she doesn't like Lucy, to
> which Kevin replies he doesn't like the fact she doesn't like Lucy. Roxie
> invites Kevin to kiss her just once, but Kevin flatly refuses, that one
kiss
> could change a lot of things. When prompted as to why she became a cop,
> Roxie says she witnessed an incident as a kid where a man was beating up
his
> wife. The cops persuaded the woman to testify but as she left the
station,
> she was shot by an unknown assailant. She then says she misses her mom.

Oy vey. Roxie says HER MOTHER witnessed the incident. Her father convinced
her mom to go to the cops and tell them what she saw. On the way out of the
police station (or on her way out from testifying, can't remember now),
someone shot her mom. She died three days later. They never found out who
did it or exactly why. Yeah, cause witnesses get shot in front of the
police station or courthouse all the time and the shooter would easily get
away. Anyway, that is why she misses her mom. And her father threw himself
even more into his work after the incident, so she lost him too, in a sense.

> Kevin then talks about his becoming a cop, saying that unlike his brother
> Ben who became a fire fighter, he doesn't like to put out fires.

And their dad was a firefighter who died in the line of duty, BTW. Not sure
if that was revealed in the past, but I didn't know it.

Roxanne
> then muses she wanted to be a police profiler but her application to join
> that division was rejected, but she's going to try again.
>
>
>
> Simon and Cecilia go around the promenade, but they can't find Lucy
either.
> As it turns out, Cecilia's dad's company has the contract to clean the
> county's schools, and she works for her dad as a night janitor. Simon
> admits he has no job, that he just lives off his allowance for doing stuff
> around the house. Cecilia is surprised he still gets an allowance. Peter
> returns to the house, and tells Eric he was locked out while doing a
> "science experiment" - actually, of course, he had sneaked out of his
> bedroom window so he could see Ruthie. Eric lets him in and Kevin
confronts
> the kid, and then asks Eric if Lucy came home yet. Peter then talks to
> Kevin about his problem when Kevin explains that he's a cop.

And once again Kevin acts like an ass, IMO, when first confronting Peter.
Does he know yet that IT'S NOT HIS FRICKIN HOUSE. Why does he act like
Camden security. He sees a twelve year old kid making a phone call and he
has to give him the third degree. Why? Did he think the kid was
burglarizing the place? That he was uninvited? And what business is it of
his who Peter is? IT'S NOT HIS FRICKIN HOUSE! Is anyone getting the
impression that I don't like Kevin?

In both these cases, do you define a kiss on the mouth as a French-kiss?
Cuz I didn't see any tongue in either case. I admit that the Kevin-Roxanne
kiss was somewhat passionate but again, not obviously open mouthed. I felt
that the Simon-Cecilia liplock was a fairly sterile goodnight kiss.

zach

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> > Lucy and Chandler head into the church sanctuary. They've decided to have
> > dinner there. Chandler says he feels at peace in there, and Lucy replies
> > that she does too. In the backyard at home, Eric tells God that he's
> > quitting. At the pool hall, Annie asks Eddie if he's seen Kevin or Lucy,
> > and the owner says he hasn't. A man sitting at the bar offers to dance
> with
> > her at a "lesson" they're having at the pool hall, and reluctantly, Annie
> > agrees.
>
> Yes, she does so reluctantly, and only after she sees the man on the other
> side of her at the bar leering at her in a very disturbing fashion. All of
> a sudden the guy offering to teach her to dance seems like the lesser of two
> evils.

Speaking of leering, I found it odd that the bartender's comment about
Cecilia was that she was "hot" She's a freakin' minor! Yeah, she *is*
hot, but what happened to the day people at least pretended to show
some restraint, "Yeah, Simon was with the 'pretty blonde'" or summat.
Especially some guy over twice her age.

Kenny McCormack

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Nov 20, 2002, 12:20:57 PM11/20/02
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In article <f7fbe28c.02112...@posting.google.com>,

One of the requirements for a show like this to work is that the kids all
think, act, and speak like miniature adults, not like the children that
they are. You see this in this NG over and over when people complain about
Ruthie thinking/acting/speaking too much like an adult. My point is that
the same phenomenon is there with all the kids (and all their friends) - it
is just most extreme and noticeable with Ruthie.

So, this is (fantasy) context, the comment is not out of place.

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