Detailed Description of Amber Frey Press Conference
Maggie
as the question and answer portion was getting underway. This article details
all the questions (and pretty much no answers).
Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
http://www.lacipeterson.com/meetthegirlfriend.html
Police Introduce Scott Peterson's Girlfriend
POSTED: January 24, 2003 at 10:40 PM PST
by Gregg L. DesElms
gr...@greggdeselms.com
In a stunning moment that seemd to take at least one part of the Laci Peterson
missing person case from the bizarre to the surreal, Modesto Police Detective
Doug Ridenour walked-up to the
Amber Frey gives a prepared statement to the media admitting to a romantic
relationship with Scott Peterson, husband of missing Modesto woman Laci
Peterson. Modesto Police Det. Doug Ridenour observes over her left shoulder.
Photo by BART AH YOU
of the Modesto Beemicrophone in the police department's press room and began
the second of two amazing press conferences that that city had in a single
evening.
And it was a press conference that those present are not likely to forget any
time soon.
Ridenour explained to the roomful of eager reporters and camera crews that
earlier in the day the press had located the woman with whom Scott Peterson was
alleged to have had an affair behind his wife's back prior to her recent
disappearance. He said that she had been contacted by reporters at her place of
business and that she, in turn, contacted the Modesto police department to ask
what she should do.
She and the police decided that in the interest of her safety and privacy, she
would make a statement at the police department. And that's when police decided
to have the press conference a few hours after the Rochas finished theirs.
Ridenour then introduced the reporters assembled to 28-year-old AMBER FREY, the
slender, freightened-looking and trembling woman standing, uncomfortably, in
the wings. He said she would make a brief statement and then she would not take
any questions. And with that he stepped away from the microphone and looked her
way. She just stood for a moment, frozen. Then she stepped, hesitatingly to the
microphone and cleared her throat. After a pause, and in a fragile voice, she
began:
"Okay, first of all, I met Scott Peterson on November 20th of 2002. I was
introduced to him. I was told he was unmarried. Scott told me he was not
married. We did have a romantic relationship.
"When I discovered he was involved in the Laci Peterson disappearance case, I
immediately contacted the Modesto Police Department.
"Although I could have sold the photos of Scott and I to tabloids, I knew this
was not the right thing to do. For fear of jeopardizing the case or the police
investigation, I will not comment further."
Frey then took a deep breath and attempted to compose herself. After a pause
and a word or two of quiet comfort from Ridenour, who was standing behind and
to her left, she continued, her voice trembling and obviously fighting back
tears.
"I am very sorry for Laci's family, and the pain that this has caused them. And
I pray for her safe return, as well.
"I would appreciate to my friends and acquaintances to refrain from talking
about me to the media for profit or recognition. I am a single mother with a
23-month-old child, and I ask to respect my privacy. Thank you."
Frey then promply left the podium as Ridenour approached the microphone again.
"Amber Frey had contacted the Modesto Police Department on Monday, December
30th, 2002. She met with detectives and gave the information about the
relationship with Scott Peterson. This information was verified by a variety of
means, and Amber Frey has been cooperative in the investigation, and has been
eliminated as a suspect in the disappearance of Laci Peterson.
"For the near future we've asked Ms Frey not to make any statements to the
media. It is her desire that you respect her privacy. Please don't follow,
harrass, or make any other attempts to interview her during the investigation."
With that, Ridenour ended the statement portion of the press conference and
said he would try to answer a few questions, but asked the press to understand
that he was still very limited, as he has been for the past month, in the kind
of responses he can give to certain kinds of questions.
The press then began to pepper Ridenour with questions that he basically
couldn't answer because it would require him getting into details that police
were simply not prepared to divulge yet.
He wouldn't answer a reporter's question about whether Scott was romantically
involved with Frey after Laci disappeared.
He wouldn't answer a reporter's question about whether she told police anything
about where Scott was on Christmas Eve.
He wouldn't answer a reporter's question about whether she gave police any
information that ties Scott to Laci's disappearance.
When one reporter asked how Frey found out who Scott Peterson was -- whether
she learned about it on television, or what, Ridenour answered the question by
not really responding to it directly.
"I think she said in her statement that when Scott Peterson... when she found
out who he was, she contacted the police department," Ridenour said, and then
moved on to the next question before the reporter could tell him that he hadn't
really answered that question.
He would not answer a reporter's question about whether Scott did or did not
actually have a $250,000 life insurance policy on Laci.
When asked how the police went about eliminating Frey as a suspect, Ridenour
replied, "The investigators have a variety of ways that they've been able to
eliminate her from the investigation."
When asked by a reporter if she called police because she saw that Scott was
involved in Laci's disappearance, or because she saw that he was married,
Ridenour answered, "Her statement, I believe, said that she did not know that
Scott was married at the time that they had this relationship... that was her
statement."
When asked if they (Frey and Scott) had any future plans or if she talked about
that, Ridenour said "no, not that I'm aware of."
When asked if Ridenour could characterize how helpful Frey has been in the
investigation, he replied, "Again, as we reported a minute ago, she's
cooperated with the investigation and we've eliminated her from..."
And at that moment, Modesto Police Chief Roy Wasden stepped to the microphone
and quietly asked Ridenour to step aside. He thanked the press for its
involvement in the case, telling reporters present that they were responsible
for masking sure that the entire world knew that Laci Peterson was missing. He
added, "and we want to find her... we want to find her and bring her home."
He then characterized the line of reporters' questions as "destructive,"
speaking of the harm that pressing police on these matters could potentially do
to the case. He told the press that police were not going to discuss with them
the details of the investigation, the relationships, the who, the what and the
when.
"We've given the information that we feel we need to give," he said, "and we've
given that information so that a young woman who had the courage to come
forward and give us information will not be harrassed as she tries to go on
with her life."
When asked if Frey was from Fresno, Wasden replied that he would not confirm
that or say where she was from.
When asked if the investigation was making progress, Wasden said, "The
investigation is moving forward, and we will continue to move it forward."
One reporter pointed out to Wasden that Laci's family was calling on Scott to
be more cooperative with police, and then asked him if he could characterize
Scott's level of cooperation. Again, Wasden said, "I won't... I won't comment
on those things. Laci's family is going through a horrible time. And... and you
all saw Laci's family today. And they are... they are dealing with their life
as a family. I am not gonna' comment about Scott... this department's not
gonna' comment about Scott... not gonna' comment about the investigation. And I
know it's frustrating to you, but we can't make this case a public
understanding of what's involved... we cannot do that. It wouldn't be
appropriate or right. So, we're not gonna' talk about those things. Laci's
family has information they've decided to share. I respect that. I... I
appreciate what they're going through. And... uh... you know... their appeal
today... uh... you heard it."
When asked, again, on what the police have based their conclusion that Frey has
been eliminated as a suspect, Wasden refused to say.
When asked if the Rocha and Peterson families were notified that Frey was going
to come out and speak publicly, Wasden replied, "yes."
This is still a missing person case. We'd love to find Laci alive and well and
bring her home safe.
Modesto Police Chief Roy WasdenWhen asked if anyone had yet come forward and
backed-up Scott's story that he had, indeed, been at the (Berkeley) Marina,
Wasden said, "You know... we're just not going to go down those paths and we're
not going to discuss those things." He continued, "The investigation is
continuing to move forward. We... I believe... when I checked just before
coming down here... have received close to 4,500 tips on the tip line at this
point in time. There are continuing information and leads as the investigation
evolves that we have to follow-up on.
When asked, "Are you any closer to finding Laci now than you were the last time
you talked to us," Wasden paused and then replied, "I don't... I don't believe
there's been a significant change .. uh... that... uh... I can articulate....
are we closer?... [pause] ... I hope so."
When asked if Scott had been eliminated as a suspect, Wasden replied, "We have
not eliminated Scott Peterson as a suspect."
When asked if Wasden knew were Scott was now, he paused and replied, "I
don't... no."
When one reporter started to ask about forensic evidence, Wasden stopped him
before he could even get the question out, saying, "We're not going to discuss
any of the evidence."
One reporter asked, "Is this still a missing person case?" to which Wasden
replied, "Yes, this is still a missing person case." The reporter followed-up,
"It's not considered a homicide case?" Wasden replied, "Well... this is still a
missing person case. We'd love to find Laci alive and well and bring her home
safe."
When asked if the police were keeping tabs on where Scott was going, Wasden
replied, "I can't discuss that."
When asked what Frey's profession was, Wasden refused to say.
When asked if Frey had had any contact with Laci's family, Wasden said, "We're
not going to discuss Amber. Amber gave you her statement. You have the
information that Amber was comfortable sharing with you. She's asked to have
her privacy respected. We are gonna' do that. I'm not gonna' comment about
Amber, her private life, where she works, where she lives... any of those
things. Amber wants to be able to go on with her life."
When asked how Laci's family learned about Amber, Wasden replied, "Your
question earlier was whether we talked with the family. Yes, we talked with the
family."
When asked if the police were working in concert with other departments in
surrounding counties, or within the county, Wasden replied, "We are continuing
with searches. We're not disclosing where those searches are.... and... uh...
yes... there are those searches that are continuing."
And with that, Wasden wrapped-up the press conference with a thank you to the
press for the important roll they're playing in the search for Lacy, and he
left the podium.
The last-minute police press conference followed on the heels of a press
conference by Laci's family at the Red Lion Hotel in Modesto three and a half
hours earlier in which they read emotional, prepared statements to the press.
Maggie
"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the
experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to
do so."--Douglas Adams.
lil' wienie
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
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>
> Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
You are a cold, frigid bitch projecting your own fantasy.
--
Hombre
"Hombre, Oversized Macho !" - Dr. Flonkenstein
"Shooting is too good for men like that. Men like you." - Optional Identity
"ATC is a fine Kook Farm" - SharonB shows she can be taught in
alt.true-crime
"That's true, but I feel soiled by the attitude these shitheads wear with
pride." - Spooge
Lady Taker
"lil' wienie" <hombrei...@socdotmen.wad> wrote in message
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> "Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
> news:20030125100138...@mb-fp.aol.com...
> >
> > Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
>
> You are a cold, frigid bitch projecting your own fantasy.
>
> --
> Hombre
I always though "exotic dancers" were a little more fleshy, a little more
composed under pressure but, again, I will have to bow to someone who
obviously has more experience with that than I.
--
Giselle (thought she looked like a clerk in an office somewhere)
Every9man
I'm having a catty hard time imagining anyone wanting to do the dirty deed with
her--she is after all--over 30.
barbara
Desi
Maggie wrote in message <20030125100138...@mb-fp.aol.com>...
>The network on which I watched Amber's press conference cut off
coverage just
>as the question and answer portion was getting underway. This article
details
>all the questions (and pretty much no answers).
>
>Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
I heard she is a physical ed teacher at a high school
desi
PattyC
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Actually, she looks a lot like some exotic dancers, i.e., strippers. That
hadn't occurred to me, but it seems a realistic possibility. Plus would
explain how they met.
PattyC
Lady Taker
"PattyC" <pattyc...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Actually, she looks a lot like some exotic dancers, i.e., strippers. That
> hadn't occurred to me, but it seems a realistic possibility. Plus would
> explain how they met.
>
> PattyC
Uh. She seems so angular to me. Like she'd put out someone's eye with her
jutting hip-bones or something. But, hey, what do I know? I'd think she
would handle pressure better, though, wouldn't you? She was falling apart
right in front of our eyes. It doesn't seem like someone who could put up
with the pressures of stripping for a living. To me, I mean.
--
Giselle
Libbertine
>>Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
I could have sworn I heard someone on CNN (Nancy Grace?) say Amber was a
massage therapist. Whatever the case, I felt very sorry for her.
crosem
involved with her about a month when Laci disappeared...hardly long enough,
I would think, to be called an affair or a relationship...for those who
think he is guilty of murder, would the theory be that after less than a
month of stolen moments and hideaway sex, he decided to murder his wife and
unborn child to life a carefree moneyed life w/ this Amber person? doesn't
sound too logical to me, but then again, criminals are not very logical, are
they?
"Desi" <de...@cts.com> wrote in message news:b0uq3c$t2n$0...@pita.alt.net...
Maggie
<< question: if he started up with this Amber person 11/02, then he was
involved with her about a month when Laci disappeared...hardly long enough,
I would think, to be called an affair or a relationship...for those who
think he is guilty of murder, would the theory be that after less than a
month of stolen moments and hideaway sex, he decided to murder his wife and
unborn child to life a carefree moneyed life w/ this Amber person? doesn't
sound too logical to me, but then again, criminals are not very logical, are
they? >>
***I don't think anyone has assumed Scott killed Laci to be with Amber. The
concensus seems to be that he killed her so that there could be lots and lots
of other Ambers. Amber Frey is just a co-incidental detail at this point.
Could have been anybody or nobody.
And I bet he saw her pretty much every day of the week. (Amber's the one who
called it a "romantic relationship.") What's 100 miles to someone whose entire
family (including in-laws) thinks nothing of him taking off on Christmas Eve to
make a trip of the same distance to fish (and continues to think nothing of it
when no fish are produced)?
Desi
crosem wrote in message ...
>question: if he started up with this Amber person 11/02, then he was
>involved with her about a month when Laci disappeared...hardly long
enough,
>I would think, to be called an affair or a relationship...for those who
>think he is guilty of murder, would the theory be that after less than
a
>month of stolen moments and hideaway sex, he decided to murder his wife
and
>unborn child to life a carefree moneyed life w/ this Amber person?
doesn't
>sound too logical to me, but then again, criminals are not very
logical, are
>they?
I agree. He more than likely did not have much of a relationship in
just a month. Probably just saw her a few times/ I bet he killed her
for the money aand financial problems.
desi
d~
wrote:
{snip}
>And I bet he saw her pretty much every day of the week. (Amber's the one who
>called it a "romantic relationship.")
{snip}
"romantic relationship" might be TV-G code for "fuck buddy"
d~ (brain storming...)
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it."
- Spike - "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"
Greg V
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I think there is a lot of women over 30, even over 50 that look good. This
woman though isn't too attractive, but her ears look like they'd make good
handles if you get my drift.
Greg V
Lady Taker
"Greg V" <pysch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Oh, Greg, you started out so well....
Anyway, I thought she was 28.
--
Giselle
Lady Taker
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote:
> ***I don't think anyone has assumed Scott killed Laci to be with Amber.
The
> concensus seems to be that he killed her so that there could be lots and
lots
> of other Ambers.
Goddamn, did I miss another concensus? Could I see that consensus online
somewhere? Who took it? Who was polled? I want a chance to vote, too,
because it sure isn't my concensus.
--
Giselle
Linda Griffith
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> question: if he started up with this Amber person 11/02, then he was
> involved with her about a month when Laci disappeared...hardly long
enough,
> I would think, to be called an affair or a relationship...for those who
> think he is guilty of murder, would the theory be that after less than a
> month of stolen moments and hideaway sex, he decided to murder his wife
and
> unborn child to life a carefree moneyed life w/ this Amber person?
doesn't
> sound too logical to me, but then again, criminals are not very logical,
are
> they?
Oh, crosem...
I have no clue. I'm of such an advanced age [54] that I don't understand
*any* of the nomenclature these days. The teens and 20-somethings have
their own vernacular, and I can't make heads or tails of it. "Going
together," "dating", "seeing each other", "hanging out", all have different
meanings that weren't in effect back in my day, and those kids see a major
difference in each phrase. Maybe one or two nights of sex means "a
relationship".
I tend to agree with Maggie [was it?], that Scott saw what fun he could have
as an unencumbered man, and he went for it. (OTOH, I don't rule out an
argument that ended up in Laci's accidental death. But it may have been
about "another woman.")
Linda
Linda Griffith
> family (including in-laws) thinks nothing of him taking off on Christmas
Eve to
> make a trip of the same distance to fish (and continues to think nothing
of it
> when no fish are produced)?
>
> Maggie
Someone asked about the fish on another list that I'm on, but I hadn't heard
for sure. WERE there no fish?
Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think I'd
have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
around my boat, or whatever.
Linda
Mids
1) She's being sincere and she realizes she was duped by this possible murderer
and definitely cheater who is married.
2) She is afraid the police will think she had something to do with it
(although they've ruled her out) --she may fear that Scott will implicate her
as revenge
3) All of the above.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ ;-) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mids
Every day is a good day when it's above ground.
Lady Taker
"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> "Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
> > What's 100 miles to someone whose entire
> > family (including in-laws) thinks nothing of him taking off on Christmas
> Eve to
> > make a trip of the same distance to fish (and continues to think nothing
> of it
> > when no fish are produced)?
> >
> > Maggie
>
> Someone asked about the fish on another list that I'm on, but I hadn't
heard
> for sure. WERE there no fish?
>
> Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think
I'd
> have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
> around my boat, or whatever.
>
> Linda
He was fishing for sturgeon -- not easy to catch and probably not available
at the local fish market, either.
And, according to the people who know, not easy to catch in that weather and
tide conditions or that boat, either.
--
Giselle (of course, some people DO fish and throw them back -- like me, for
example)
Maggie
wrote:
{snip}
>And I bet he saw her pretty much every day of the week. (Amber's the one who
>called it a "romantic relationship.")
{snip}
d said:
"romantic relationship" might be TV-G code for "fuck buddy"
d~ (brain storming...)
>>
***I'm sure your translation is correct, but why would Amber admit to a
"relationship" if they just went on a few dates? I'm sure their contact was
pretty frequent.
Maggie
Maggie
> What's 100 miles to someone whose entire
> family (including in-laws) thinks nothing of him taking off on Christmas
Eve to
> make a trip of the same distance to fish (and continues to think nothing
of it
> when no fish are produced)?
>
> Maggie
Linda said:
Someone asked about the fish on another list that I'm on, but I hadn't heard
for sure. WERE there no fish?
***Nada.
Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think I'd
have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
around my boat, or whatever. >>
***That probably wouldn't have worked, but I know what you mean.
Maggie
Maggie
with
> her--she is after all--over 30.
>
>
>
> barbara
I think there is a lot of women over 30, even over 50 that look good. This
woman though isn't too attractive, but her ears look like they'd make good
handles if you get my drift.
Greg V
>>
***I'm sure this must be some sort of in-joke, but the fact is that Amber is
28.
PattyC
I wouldn't be so sure he saw her "often," especially daily. How was he
explaining that time to the little woman and/or the employer? If Amber was
lonely & "ripe" for someone speaking romantic words, then once a week might
have been a "romantic relationship" to her. I'm guessing he could have seen
her once or twice a week, but definitely not every day. That would be
awfully hard to carry off. Truth is, if he saw her twice since the day they
met, and he swept this girl off her feet, she might be calling it a romantic
relationship.
PattyC
PattyC
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I wouldn't be so sure he saw her "often," especially daily. How was he
PattyC
news:20030125210332...@mb-cg.aol.com...
I wouldn't be so sure he saw her "often," especially daily. How was he
PattyC
not been all smooth....
PattyC
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Maggie
>
> {snip}
> >And I bet he saw her pretty much every day of the week. (Amber's the one
who
> >called it a "romantic relationship.")
> {snip}
>
> d said:
> "romantic relationship" might be TV-G code for "fuck buddy"
>
> d~ (brain storming...)
> >>
>
> ***I'm sure your translation is correct, but why would Amber admit to a
> "relationship" if they just went on a few dates? I'm sure their contact
was
> pretty frequent.
pattyc said:
I wouldn't be so sure he saw her "often," especially daily. How was he
explaining that time to the little woman and/or the employer?
***He didn't really have an employer--he was a salesman and worked for himself.
Obviously he had to produce at some point, but there wasn't some guy in an
office right there in Modesto to check up on him daily. And remember the time
period we're talking about--between TG and Xmas. Unless you're in retail, not
much work gets done during the holidays, anyway. I would think that something
like fertilizer sales would be especially slow. Not to mention that the family
talks about how often he took off without anyone knowing where he was.
pattyc said:
If Amber was
lonely & "ripe" for someone speaking romantic words, then once a week might
have been a "romantic relationship" to her. I'm guessing he could have seen
her once or twice a week, but definitely not every day. That would be
awfully hard to carry off. Truth is, if he saw her twice since the day they
met, and he swept this girl off her feet, she might be calling it a romantic
relationship.
>>
***That might be what she would call it to her girlfriends, but I don't believe
that's what she'd call it to a national television audience. If she truly had
seen him only twice (or three times or four times) in those 34 days, I'm sure
she would have said so. There's no reason for her to make their relationship
look more serious than it really was.
Desi
PattyC wrote in message ...
intimate. They had sex. A relationship, though very brief, existed.
desi
>
Michael Snyder
Maggie wrote in message <20030125100138...@mb-fp.aol.com>...
>The network on which I watched Amber's press conference cut off coverage just
>as the question and answer portion was getting underway. This article details
>all the questions (and pretty much no answers).
>
She works for a massage parlor in Fresno. I've been trying to
track it down on the web, see what kind of 'massage' they actually
offer.
Oliver
little woman?
Phoenix
cg.aol.com>, maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC
says...
> << > wrote:
> >
> pattyc said:
> I wouldn't be so sure he saw her "often," especially daily. How was he
> explaining that time to the little woman and/or the employer?
>
> ***He didn't really have an employer--he was a salesman and worked for himself.
> Obviously he had to produce at some point, but there wasn't some guy in an
> office right there in Modesto to check up on him daily. And remember the time
> period we're talking about--between TG and Xmas. Unless you're in retail, not
> much work gets done during the holidays, anyway. I would think that something
> like fertilizer sales would be especially slow. Not to mention that the family
> talks about how often he took off without anyone knowing where he was.
I would be interesting to know how many days a
week Scott was usually home versus how many
days he actually saw clients.
For the life of me, I'm trying to figure out
what type of fertilizer Spain would sell in
the U.S. Fish byproducts, perhaps? How much
business could the company have done here?
>
> pattyc said:
> If Amber was
> lonely & "ripe" for someone speaking romantic words, then once a week might
> have been a "romantic relationship" to her. I'm guessing he could have seen
> her once or twice a week, but definitely not every day. That would be
> awfully hard to carry off. Truth is, if he saw her twice since the day they
> met, and he swept this girl off her feet, she might be calling it a romantic
> relationship.
> >>
>
> ***That might be what she would call it to her girlfriends, but I don't believe
> that's what she'd call it to a national television audience. If she truly had
> seen him only twice (or three times or four times) in those 34 days, I'm sure
> she would have said so. There's no reason for her to make their relationship
> look more serious than it really was.
In fact, I'd think Amber would minimize the
romance for the public. The other woman would
probably downplay the intensity of the
relationship for the media if the boyfriend
turns out to be a possible murderer (as
opposed to an heir or movie star.)
But I do think Amber is being very honest, and
she's very shook up.
bel
Maggie
> If Amber was
> lonely & "ripe" for someone speaking romantic words, then once a week might
> have been a "romantic relationship" to her. I'm guessing he could have seen
> her once or twice a week, but definitely not every day. That would be
> awfully hard to carry off. Truth is, if he saw her twice since the day they
> met, and he swept this girl off her feet, she might be calling it a romantic
> relationship.
> >>
maggie said:
> ***That might be what she would call it to her girlfriends, but I don't
believe
> that's what she'd call it to a national television audience. If she truly
had
> seen him only twice (or three times or four times) in those 34 days, I'm sure
> she would have said so. There's no reason for her to make their relationship
> look more serious than it really was.
bel said:
In fact, I'd think Amber would minimize the
romance for the public. The other woman would
probably downplay the intensity of the
relationship for the media if the boyfriend
turns out to be a possible murderer (as
opposed to an heir or movie star.)
***...or the president of the United States.
bel said:
But I do think Amber is being very honest, and
she's very shook up. >>
***I think she has been honest about what she's said, but I think we haven't
come close to hearing the whole story. The fact that neither she nor her
father will say how often she saw Scott is interesting to me. Not to mention
that I'm still curious about what sort of place this American Bodyworks (if
that's the name) is.
And, since I'm on the subject, I can't figure out why Amber is said to be 28 in
all the press stories, since she doesn't turn 28 until next month.
sherman
Peterson was "the real thing". ??? IMHO, this guy has an extensive
history of convincing women that, in true sociopathetic tradition, he's the
answer to their prayers... Sherm.
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
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Every9man
>"Every9man" <ever...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030125141519...@mb-bd.aol.com...
>> >From: "Lady Taker" vol...@ccrtc.com
>>
>> >
>> >"lil' wienie" <hombrei...@socdotmen.wad> wrote in message
>> >news:b0udtm$scb$0...@pita.alt.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
>> >> news:20030125100138...@mb-fp.aol.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone else think Amber's an exotic dancer?
>> >>
>> >> You are a cold, frigid bitch projecting your own fantasy.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Hombre
>> >
>> >I always though "exotic dancers" were a little more fleshy, a little
>more
>> >composed under pressure but, again, I will have to bow to someone who
>> >obviously has more experience with that than I.
>> >--
>> >Giselle (thought she looked like a clerk in an office somewhere)
>>
>> I'm having a catty hard time imagining anyone wanting to do the dirty
>deed
>with
>> her--she is after all--over 30.
>>
>>
>>
>> barbara
>
>I think there is a lot of women over 30, even over 50 that look good.
Uh oh, I think you may be in the wrong news group. Here we think that it's only
the nubile 20 somethings that are sexually attractive:)
This
>woman though isn't too attractive, but her ears look like they'd make good
>handles if you get my drift.
>Greg V
>
I do and it's a cattier remark than mine was.
Barbara
Every9man
>Someone asked about the fish on another list that I'm on, but I hadn't heard
>for sure. WERE there no fish?
>
>Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think
>I'd
>have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
>around my boat, or whatever.
>
>Linda
>
clean them, ugh:)
Barbara
Every9man
Every9man
><< On 25 Jan 2003 23:10:15 GMT, maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC (Maggie)
>wrote:
>
>{snip}
>>And I bet he saw her pretty much every day of the week. (Amber's the one
>who
>>called it a "romantic relationship.")
>{snip}
>
>d said:
>"romantic relationship" might be TV-G code for "fuck buddy"
>
>d~ (brain storming...)
> >>
>
>***I'm sure your translation is correct, but why would Amber admit to a
>"relationship" if they just went on a few dates? I'm sure their contact
>was
>pretty frequent.
>
>
>Maggie
She may not have been admitting it at all. she may have been embelllishing so's
we wouldnt think she was a 3 night stand.
The *other woman* usually thinks they are having a *relationship*, whereas the
man seldom does.
I mean how many extra marital affairs actually turn into anything serious?
Barbara
Lady Taker
My brother saw one while he was snorkling in the Niagara River a few summers
ago. He said he thought it was a log until he realized it had fins. He
startled the fish and it shot off in a blink. It had just been sort of
sitting on the bottom up 'til then. He swallowed a whole lot of dead-body
water that day, LMTY. He said it was probably 6' - 8'.
One surfaced in Lake Erie the next summer after that and I think -- I
think -- I remember them saying it was 10 or 12 foot long. (This one will
be in a news story somewhere if someone <cough> wants to Google News it. I
can't bother.) That's why everyone was laughing about Scott fishing for
sturgeon in a 14' aluminum boat, alone. Even if he got one (the tides were
wrong) it was unlikely he could have brought it aboard. The one that
surfaced in the lake had to be towed to shore because they couldn't get it
in the boat.
--
Giselle
Desi
Phoenix wrote in message ...
>>In fact, I'd think Amber would minimize the
>romance for the public. The other woman would
>probably downplay the intensity of the
>relationship for the media if the boyfriend
>turns out to be a possible murderer (as
>opposed to an heir or movie star.)
>
>But I do think Amber is being very honest, and
>she's very shook up.
>
>bel
>
>I also believe she has been honest and told the truth. Let's face it
Scott
was in Fresno, he was out looking for someone and lied to her.
An unmarried mother of a two year old is not looking for a married man.
She'd be looking for commitment and stability and a father for her
child.
desi
Desi
Stacia
>question: if he started up with this Amber person 11/02, then he was
>involved with her about a month when Laci disappeared...hardly long enough,
>I would think, to be called an affair or a relationship...for those who
>think he is guilty of murder, would the theory be that after less than a
>month of stolen moments and hideaway sex, he decided to murder his wife and
>unborn child to life a carefree moneyed life w/ this Amber person?
Isn't it more like 6 weeks? Either way, no, not long enough to murder
his wife for a life with Amber.
Personally, I think he had the murder planned all along, and couldn't
wait to live the life of a bachelor and made the mistake of "jumping the
gun", and started dating before the little lady was disposed of.
>doesn't
>sound too logical to me, but then again, criminals are not very logical, are
>they?
No, if they were logical or intelligent they'd find a way to get what
they wanted without having to resort to murder.
* * *
Stacia * sta...@world.std.com * http://world.std.com/~stacia/
"Perhaps it was the spring. And something in her eyes
that was much older than Manhattan, Kansas."
Phoenix
de...@cts.com says...
>
> Phoenix wrote in message ...
>
> >>In fact, I'd think Amber would minimize the
> >romance for the public. The other woman would
> >probably downplay the intensity of the
> >relationship for the media if the boyfriend
> >turns out to be a possible murderer (as
> >opposed to an heir or movie star.)
> >
> >But I do think Amber is being very honest, and
> >she's very shook up.
> >
> >bel
> >
> >I also believe she has been honest and told the truth. Let's face it
> Scott
> was in Fresno, he was out looking for someone and lied to her.
> An unmarried mother of a two year old is not looking for a married man.
> She'd be looking for commitment and stability and a father for her
> child.
Which is the impetus for so much trouble in
the lives of single mothers. Amber must have
given off a huge SOS signal, that attracted
Scott like a homing beacon. He could get away
with a lot, looking so stable and clean cut
(makes me wonder how the other men of Amber's
acquaintance carried themselves.)
I'm beginning to have more respect for the
little old Italian woman I knew long ago. her
husband died young, leaving her with 3 young
sons, and she refused to remarry saying no
stepfather was going to terrorize her sons.
She insisted her daughters-in-law go to school
(in one case paying for it) and have
professions as well.
bel
TabbyCat
>
> Which is the impetus for so much trouble in
> the lives of single mothers. Amber must have
> given off a huge SOS signal, that attracted
> Scott like a homing beacon. He could get away
> with a lot, looking so stable and clean cut
> (makes me wonder how the other men of Amber's
> acquaintance carried themselves.)
Scott apparently was able to con his wife, her family, and his own
family into thinking he was a great guy for years and years. Why all
this speculation that there is something wrong with Amber Frey just
because she fell for him?
Lady Taker
"TabbyCat" <ta...@feline.edu> wrote in message
news:3E3590...@feline.edu...
> Scott apparently was able to con his wife, her family, and his own
> family into thinking he was a great guy for years and years. Why all
> this speculation that there is something wrong with Amber Frey just
> because she fell for him?
Now THERE'S a good point.
:::applause:::
--
Giselle
Phoenix
ta...@feline.edu says...
Nothing wrong with Amber, per se. I don't see
how anyone can be expected to find the flaws
in a man after one month of infrequent
romance, especially a smooth talker like Scott
who evidently had all his in laws charmed for
many years.
But with all the women Scott could be involved
with casually, why did he pick one that HAD
expectations. Why choose to dally with a
woman with the same needs as one's wife? If
Amber took the relationship seriously after
one month, then Scott must have been sending
out signals that Amber ate up with abandon.
There was something in Scott's demeanor that
made Amber take him seriously, that made him
try the "call from Europe" ploy in order to
keep her constant. Amber can't really be
blamed for this, but it does signal a
neediness on her part.
bel
>
>
TabbyCat
Huh? I don't perceive any "signals of neediness" on Amber Frey's part.
She read a few paragraphs in a public statement. How can people
psychoanalyze her based on this??
Lady Taker
"Phoenix" <avian...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.189f5e9b4...@news-server.carolina.rr.com...
What did she do that was needy, exactly? By the time he tried that call
from "Europe" she had been to the cops, spilled the beans and invited them
to listen in on her phone. What part of that is "needy"? Sounds like a
pretty strong person to me.
There are a ton of victims here, as Tabby was nice enough to point out, that
knew him for much longer than Amber did and they didn't see anything wrong,
either. Let's not blame the victims, okay?
--
Giselle
tiny dancer
"Desi" <de...@cts.com> wrote in message news:b13rb8$cob$0...@pita.alt.net...
>
> Phoenix wrote in message ...
>
> >>In fact, I'd think Amber would minimize the
> >romance for the public. The other woman would
> >probably downplay the intensity of the
> >relationship for the media if the boyfriend
> >turns out to be a possible murderer (as
> >opposed to an heir or movie star.)
> >
> >But I do think Amber is being very honest, and
> >she's very shook up.
> >
> >bel
> >
> >I also believe she has been honest and told the truth. Let's face it
> Scott
> was in Fresno, he was out looking for someone and lied to her.
> An unmarried mother of a two year old is not looking for a married man.
> She'd be looking for commitment and stability and a father for her
> child.
>
> desi
I agree, she came across as honest to me, and terribly broken up by
everything that had happened.......she looks a hell of a lot more sincere
than old Scotty boy does for that matter.
td
Maggie
<< Nothing wrong with Amber, per se. I don't see
how anyone can be expected to find the flaws
in a man after one month of infrequent
romance, especially a smooth talker like Scott
who evidently had all his in laws charmed for
many years.
But with all the women Scott could be involved
with casually, why did he pick one that HAD
expectations. Why choose to dally with a
woman with the same needs as one's wife? If
Amber took the relationship seriously after
one month, then Scott must have been sending
out signals that Amber ate up with abandon.
There was something in Scott's demeanor that
made Amber take him seriously, that made him
try the "call from Europe" ploy in order to
keep her constant. Amber can't really be
blamed for this, but it does signal a
neediness on her part.
>>
***I think you've hit the nail on the head--Scott's interest in this particular
woman is very curious. It's really interesting that he didn't just blow her
off when he saw how needy she had become (just a guess--but a good one, I bet).
tiny dancer
"Lady Taker" <vol...@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
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I'll drink to that too!
td
>
>
Nitamargarita
"Maggie" <maggi...@aol.comSPAMBLOC> wrote in message
Isn't American Bodyworks one of those shops in the mall that sells lotions,
bubblebath, aromatherapy etc..?
Nita
Phoenix
<v3b748d...@corp.supernews.com>,
vol...@ccrtc.com says...
Yep, me too. I think amber's getting a
painful and public realization right now, and
I admire the way she is standing up through
it. The way she went to the cops immediately
says volumes about her character.
My interpretations of neediness and
expectations are based on bits and pieces,
that's true, like her father saying that Scott
had held Amber's child, that she took the
relationship seriously. That's not in any way
wrong, just somewhat incautious in a month old
romance.
BTW, no one, including Amber, as said that she
simply dated Scott a few times, or they saw
each other casually with friends.
>
> There are a ton of victims here, as Tabby was nice enough to point out, that
> knew him for much longer than Amber did and they didn't see anything wrong,
> either. Let's not blame the victims, okay?
Sure thing! :)
Perhaps the better question I raise is why
would Scott try to develop a relationship with
a woman who expected commitments with so many
women out there who don't.
bel
> --
> Giselle
>
>
>
Michele317
>"relationship" if they just went on a few dates? I'm sure their contact
>was
>pretty frequent.
why? because maybe she didn't want to say 'i was fucking some guy i hardly
knew, allowed him to meet my child, and now i'm mortified because i realize he
could be a stone cold killer'.
Michele317
>> with casually, why did he pick one that HAD
>> expectations. Why choose to dally with a
>> woman with the same needs as one's wife? If
>> Amber took the relationship seriously after
>> one month, then Scott must have been sending
>> out signals that Amber ate up with abandon.
>>
>> There was something in Scott's demeanor that
>> made Amber take him seriously, that made him
>> try the "call from Europe" ploy in order to
>> keep her constant. Amber can't really be
>> blamed for this, but it does signal a
>> neediness on her part.
>>
>> bel
>
>What did she do that was needy, exactly? By the time he tried that call
>from "Europe" she had been to the cops, spilled the beans and invited them
>to listen in on her phone. What part of that is "needy"? Sounds like a
>pretty strong person to me.
i agree! she doesn't sound needy to me either. sounds like he's the needy
one... needed to set up this elaborate fake phone call to keep her interested.
if she were that needy, i think she'd have found a geographically closer
boyfriend way before meeting scott.
Lady Taker
> would Scott try to develop a relationship with
> a woman who expected commitments with so many
> women out there who don't.
>
> bel
I don't think he WAS trying to develop a relationship with her. Not a
permanent one, at least. And I doubt he cared what she expected -- he
certainly didn't care about what his wife and family expected. I suspect he
might just have wanted a warm tush in that town. I rather suspect there are
other warm tushes in other towns on his route, too. And I bet the cops know
about them all.
--
Giselle
Desi
Phoenix wrote in message ...
>would Scott try to develop a relationship with
>a woman who expected commitments with so many
>women out there who don't.
>
>bel
Part of his pathology? A woman with a child probably thought she had
a big catch , Scott had a good job, money, handsome, big build etc.
She ,otoh, had a child, kept her busy and worked. I am sure she was
flattered and maybe even infatuated that such a guy came along and would
do anything to keep him around, therefore she probably did not make too
many demands right away. It was only a month relationship.
desi
>
>
>> --
>> Giselle
>>
>>
>>
PattyC
would Scott try to develop a relationship with
a woman who expected commitments with so many
women out there who don't.
bel
Because he is a cad and doesn't give a shit if others have expectations or
not. Why does a guy who has a loving (we presume) pregnant wife cheat on
her? Because he wants to. Guys who are creepy don't look for women who are
not into attachments to find those they will have sex with. They only find
women who *will.* And they frequently use lies and deception to make them
say they will.
In fact, I think this kind of creep is INTO the kind of woman who is NOT
just a "one night stand" type. If not, why develop ANY relationship?
PattyC
--
"Phoenix" <avian...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Syd Brooks
> Perhaps the better question I raise is why
> would Scott try to develop a relationship with
> a woman who expected commitments with so many
> women out there who don't.
>
> bel
>
> Because he is a cad and doesn't give a shit if others have
> expectations or not. Why does a guy who has a loving (we presume)
> pregnant wife cheat on her? Because he wants to. Guys who are
> creepy don't look for women who are not into attachments to find
> those they will have sex with. They only find women who *will.* And
> they frequently use lies and deception to make them say they will.
>
> In fact, I think this kind of creep is INTO the kind of woman who is
> NOT just a "one night stand" type. If not, why develop ANY
> relationship?
okay so we're all on board that scott is a major-league asshole?
Lady Taker
"Syd Brooks" <ex....@mail.com> wrote in message
news:fvkZ9.61258$4y2.2917@sccrnsc04...
Okay, I'll buy that simply based on the number of lives he has shattered
with his lies but I still haven't decided if that makes him a murderer,
though.
--
Giselle
Syd Brooks
>> okay so we're all on board that scott is a major-league asshole?
>
> Okay, I'll buy that simply based on the number of lives he has
> shattered with his lies but I still haven't decided if that makes him
> a murderer, though.
thats fair, in fact, he sure doesn't *look* like a murderer (and i don't
mean physically per se, just that the circumstances don't make him look like
"the type") ... but who knows. it sure looks like he did it.
sb
d~
>She may not have been admitting it at all. she may have been embelllishing so's
>we wouldnt think she was a 3 night stand.
>The *other woman* usually thinks they are having a *relationship*, whereas the
>man seldom does.
I doubt a husband under suspicion of offing his wife would call his 3
night stand "from europe".....
This was a sexual "relationship" that he was willing to take chances
by contacting her after his wife's disappearance in order to maintain.
d~
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it."
- Spike - "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"
Lady Taker
"d~" <djominsa...@sayno2spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> I doubt a husband under suspicion of offing his wife would call his 3
> night stand "from europe".....
Uh, he *did* call her and *PRETEND* to be in "Europe". ("I'd love to see
ya', baby, but I'm in Prague." read: "I'd love to get my hedges clipped but
the cops are on my ass for offing my wife.") The cops were there for the
call, too.
> This was a sexual "relationship" that he was willing to take chances
> by contacting her after his wife's disappearance in order to maintain.
>
> d~
Sure he wanted to maintain it. If he didn't do THAT, she might put 2 and 2
together and call the cops on his lying ass. OOPS. Guess she was smarter
than he thought.
--
Giselle
Good Earth
say romantic things, etc., because they like the way it feels to have a
woman fall for them, fuss over them, and look at them like they're a dream
come true. A mutual one-night stand isn't going to have that same cachet
as far as the ego goes. Once it starts to get even remotely routine, it's
on to the next one OR it's time to pick a fight so that she can be wooed
again.
> okay so we're all on board that scott is a major-league asshole?
Count me in. Bad: A guy who is a major-league asshole. Worse: A guy who
is a major-league asshole, but pretends to be otherwise. Worst. A guy who
is a major-league asshole and pretends to be otherwise even after murdering
his wife.
Good Earth
Linda Griffith
news:20030127121049...@mb-mu.aol.com...
> >Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think
> >I'd
> >have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
> >around my boat, or whatever.
> >
> >Linda
> >
> Not everyone who goes fishing brings home fish. Someone would then have to
> clean them, ugh:)
>
> Barbara
True, but not everyone who goes fishing has a wife turn up missing at the
very time he was gone. I'm thinking in terms of a man who is somehow
involved in his wife's disappearance, because I think Scott is. Dunno about
California, but if I wanted to catch fish, I wouldn't go fishing in
December.
Don't men usually bring the fish home to the wife to clean? Convenient that
Scott caught no fish, and his wife wasn't at home to clean and cook 'em.
And we all know what a popular dish *fish* is for Christmas Dinner!
Linda
Michael Lonergan
"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:v3bt4h3...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> True, but not everyone who goes fishing has a wife turn up missing at the
> very time he was gone. I'm thinking in terms of a man who is somehow
> involved in his wife's disappearance, because I think Scott is. Dunno
about
> California, but if I wanted to catch fish, I wouldn't go fishing in
> December.
Winter fishing is not an unusual past time in some areas of the country. I
don't know about California either. I have been fishing in December.
>
> Don't men usually bring the fish home to the wife to clean?
Not all fishermen/women are married. I find it unlike in this day and age
too many women are waiting by the back door with filet knife in hand just
itching to clean the catch ;-)
> Convenient that
> Scott caught no fish, and his wife wasn't at home to clean and cook 'em.
> And we all know what a popular dish *fish* is for Christmas Dinner!
I find it interesting that people seem to be concentrating on the fishing
trip. Can you think of a better story to put the LEOs in the wrong
direction? For all we know, her body is in one of the crates his family
manufactures, and is on the way to some remote region overseas.
Michael
>
> Linda
>
>
>
Every9man
>"Every9man" <ever...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030127121049...@mb-mu.aol.com...
>> >Gosh, if I had murdered my spouse and used fishing as an excuse, I think
>> >I'd
>> >have gone to the store and *bought* a fish, or two or three. Smear 'em
>> >around my boat, or whatever.
>> >
>> >Linda
>> >
>> Not everyone who goes fishing brings home fish. Someone would then have
>to
>> clean them, ugh:)
>>
>> Barbara
>
>True, but not everyone who goes fishing has a wife turn up missing at the
>very time he was gone. I'm thinking in terms of a man who is somehow
>involved in his wife's disappearance, because I think Scott is. Dunno about
>California, but if I wanted to catch fish, I wouldn't go fishing in
>December.
Sure you would if you were an avid fisherperson (:)
December isnt too cold in California to fish much of the time.
>Don't men usually bring the fish home to the wife to clean? Convenient
>that
>Scott caught no fish, and his wife wasn't at home to clean and cook 'em.
>And we all know what a popular dish *fish* is for Christmas Dinner!
My father always brought fish home for my mother to clean but she liked to do
it.
Some people throw what they catch back or give it to others at the dock to take
home.
I'm not saying that's the case with them. One would have to find out if he
usually brought the fish home or not to know if it was unusual.
And why do you think he caught any fish?
Barbara-has been on far too many fishing trips where she was the only one to
catch fish:)--guys really get pissed!
>
>Linda
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Syd Brooks
> Barbara-has been on far too many fishing trips where she was the only
> one to catch fish:)--guys really get pissed!
heh heh.
my friends husband says he know scott did it and here is why: no one who
really knows fishing leaves the house at 9:30. fish are not day critters.
sb
sherman
those conditions and - start out at noon after going a hundred miles to get
there? I highly doubt it. It's a fish story. He did not go out in that
boat on that day in those waters. Sherm.
"Every9man" <ever...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Every9man
>
>>She may not have been admitting it at all. she may have been embelllishing
>so's
>>we wouldnt think she was a 3 night stand.
>>The *other woman* usually thinks they are having a *relationship*, whereas
>the
>>man seldom does.
>
>I doubt a husband under suspicion of offing his wife would call his 3
>night stand "from europe".....
>
>This was a sexual "relationship" that he was willing to take chances
>by contacting her after his wife's disappearance in order to maintain.
>
>d~
I think there's a possible alternate explantation and I think I posted on it
but I'm not sure.
Do you think it's possible that he told her he was going to be in Europe so
that she wouldnt expect him to be with her for the Christmas holidays and that
he would have to said he was in Europe if he called her to ask her to keep
their affair secret.
Far fetched????
Barbara
Every9man
before she went to the police?
barbara
Every9man
How in the world do you know that she had showed him anything that indicated
that she had become needy?
I really think that there is so much projection going on here ( that I'm
apparently not immune to either) that it's hard to distinguish fact from
fiction;
Barbara
Michele317
>would Scott try to develop a relationship with
>a woman who expected commitments with so many
>women out there who don't.
>
>bel
>
>Because he is a cad and doesn't give a shit if others have expectations
>or
>not. Why does a guy who has a loving (we presume) pregnant wife cheat on
>her? Because he wants to. Guys who are creepy don't look for women who
>are
>not into attachments to find those they will have sex with. They only find
>women who *will.* And they frequently use lies and deception to make them
>say they will.
>
>In fact, I think this kind of creep is INTO the kind of woman who is NOT
>just a "one night stand" type. If not, why develop ANY relationship?
i'm not so sure he was developing a real 'relationship with amber, anyway.
perhaps the europe story was invented before christmas as an excuse for why he
wouldn't be able to see her over the holidays? that might explain why she
didn't go to the police right away: scott peterson is a pretty common name and
she might've thought THAT s.p. wasn't HER s.p. because hers was off in europe
and hers was also unmarried. that's assuming she knew his real name, which i'm
not so sure is true. after all the media attention, he might've realized she'd
seen his pic on tv and realized who he was, and the europe call was a needed
cover-up.
Michele317
>before she went to the police?
i have a few ideas. my theory (posted on another thread) is that he told her
he'd be in business in europe over christmas and so he wouldn't be able to see
her. with a toddler, i figure her christmas and the day or so after would be
consumed with toys and family gatherings, so the news reports might not have
been a priority. when she did finally hear about the case, it might've taken
her a day or so to realize that he was the guy she'd been dating; perhaps he
used a different name. i don't think 6 days over christmas is that big of a
delay, when they'd only been dating for a month and i'm assuming she believed
he was out of the country.
Gimarie331
>consumed with toys and family gatherings, so the news reports might not have
>been a priority. when she did finally hear about the case, it might've taken
>her a day or so to realize that he was the guy she'd been dating; perhaps he
>used a different name. i don't think 6 days over christmas is that big of a
>delay, when they'd only been dating for a month and i'm assuming she believed
>he was out of the country.
>
>
She appeared to be the epitome of sincerity.
One would have to reach with great depth to find alterior motive in her manner
in coming forward the way she did.
>
>
Syd Brooks
> Has anyone come up with a realistic idea of why Amber waited all that
> time before she went to the police?
well the news broke in modesto on dec. 26, that means probably not till the
27th was it on tv. if that. the 28th was a saturday, and she told them on
the 30th. i don't see that as a really long time. she most likely had to see
a lawyer first, that is what i would do.
sb
tiny dancer
"Michael Lonergan" <fur...@claqeuNOT.net> wrote in message
news:WDmZ9.7201$d66.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
I agree, and I've said it before.......her body is far away from that marina
where scotty boy was 'fishin'........
td
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> > Linda
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tiny dancer
"Michele317" <miche...@aol.combover> wrote in message
news:20030127230147...@mb-fo.aol.com...
I agree.........it was Christmas.......I'm sure she was busy and with a
toddler too........we all happen to be crime buffs........not everybody
watches the news all the time, in fact lots of people I know rarely watch
the news at all. Perhaps there's a cartoon program on at the same time, or
perhaps she works a lot and spends what little free time in the evenings she
has with her baby.......there's lots of reasons why she might not have
noticed or made the connection at first. I said it before......I think
that's why old scotty didn't want his mug seen on TV.......nervous and upset
my arse.......he was scared shitless he'd be recognized.
td
HudsonGrl
>From: ever...@aol.com (Every9man)
>Date: 1/27/2003 9:55 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030127225506...@mb-fi.aol.com>
>
>
>I really think that there is so much projection going on here ( that I'm
>apparently not immune to either) that it's hard to distinguish fact from
>fiction;
gotta agree. this amber story is becoming quite embellished. hard to
distinguish what we really know, from what *some* think they know.
Sarah Monroe
>is a major-league asshole, but pretends to be otherwise. Worst. A guy who
>is a major-league asshole and pretends to be otherwise even after murdering
>his wife.
>
>Good Earth
>
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Count me in too.
Gms <member in good standing of the Ms. Priss Club.
If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or
disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting
complain to me, I will demonstrate.
Nancy Rudins
"Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> writes:
>"Every9man" <ever...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030127121049...@mb-mu.aol.com...
>> Not everyone who goes fishing brings home fish. Someone would then have to
>> clean them, ugh:)
>>
>> Barbara
>
>True, but not everyone who goes fishing has a wife turn up missing at the
>very time he was gone. I'm thinking in terms of a man who is somehow
>involved in his wife's disappearance, because I think Scott is. Dunno about
>California, but if I wanted to catch fish, I wouldn't go fishing in
>December.
>
>Don't men usually bring the fish home to the wife to clean? Convenient that
>Scott caught no fish, and his wife wasn't at home to clean and cook 'em.
>And we all know what a popular dish *fish* is for Christmas Dinner!
>
>Linda
>
>
Can you throw the fish in the freezer until you get around to
cleaning and cooking it? Or can you clean it and throw it in
the freezer? I've never gone fishing and know nothing about
preserving fish beyond those boxes of Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks.
Kind regards,
Nancy
--
Nancy Rudins nru...@ncsa.uiuc.edu
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/People/nrudins/
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall.
Syd Brooks
> Can you throw the fish in the freezer until you get around to
> cleaning and cooking it? Or can you clean it and throw it in
> the freezer? I've never gone fishing and know nothing about
> preserving fish beyond those boxes of Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks.
oh great nancy, thanks, now you are going to have me wondering every time i
bite into one of those things, whatever happened to MR. PAUL.
:))
sb
Nancy Rudins
Good points.
It's possible as well that she feared being implicated in a crime,
not just for her own sake but for her child's sake also.
Michele317
>cleaning and cooking it? Or can you clean it and throw it in
>the freezer? I've never gone fishing and know nothing about
>preserving fish beyond those boxes of Mrs. Paul's Fish Sticks.
as someone who's lived near water her whole life, i'm so sad to read that your
idea of fish is THAT stuff! i used to love fishing with my dad. the ideal would
be to catch some fish, take them home, clean and cook them right away. you can
clean and freeze them, or give them to the neighbors if you're lucky enough to
catch that many. cleaning them isn't that bad if you do it in the backyard,
with lots of newspaper around. insofar as the peterson case, i don't think a
christmas eve fishing trip is that unusual, but the circumstances (tiny boat,
late start, long drive, big fish, no witnesses) are.
Nancy Rudins
I didn't even think of that! We better find out if Mrs. Paul
goes sturgeon fishing.
Nancy Rudins
So sorry to dismay you with my lack of fishing experience. I've
never lived near any major body of water except Lake Michigan,
and I've had no desire to go fishing. I've had real fish
in restaurants but that's about the extent of it. I've never
seen sturgeon on a restaurant menu. Do people really eat it?
Or is it just very unusual to find it on a menu in the Midwest?
Desi
Every9man wrote in message
<20030127224802...@mb-fi.aol.com>...
Barb, the very first story came out in the Modesto Bee on the 26th.
It didn't get national attention for a few days. She went to the police
on the 30th. That is four days after the first story. Not that long a
time.
desi
Every9man
You can clean it and freeze it but cleaning it's a messy job and the scraper
you use to get the scales off is sharp and wreaks havoc with your fingers when
it slips.
I dont think that too many women are into cleaning fish unless they are in a
family of fishermen these days.
Barbara
Every9man
>Or is it just very unusual to find it on a menu in the Midwest?
>
>Kind regards,
>Nancy
>
You find it a lot in Jewish Deli's.
Yummmmmy.
Barbara
Every9man
Good point but he wasnt allegedly going to go fishing, he went to his *office*
to do some work and went fishing while he was there.
I've done that. I've gone out fishing in the mid afternoon. Not all fish feed
only at dawn and dusk.
Barbara
Lady Taker
And you don't always go fishing to catch fish. Sometimes you just go out to
drown worms. If you just like being in a boat on water, you might as well
drag a hook in the water, too.
--
Giselle
Every9man
>Yes, but did they ever go fishing in that tiny boat in the SF Bay, under
>those conditions and - start out at noon after going a hundred miles to
>get
>there? I highly doubt it. It's a fish story. He did not go out in that
>boat on that day in those waters. Sherm.
>
I dont think he would have made up an untenable story and not have his in laws
say something about it.
They arent, they apparently know his habits.
He's probably done it before since he fished ever since he was a kid.
Anyone know what the boat looked like ? I know it was aluminum and reportedly
14 feet but I'm curious to know more.
Barbara
Lady Taker
It was a tinker toy when you think about the fish he said he was trying to
catch. (I just posted a link to a sturgeon site in a new thread.) There is
a photo of the boat out there somewhere, I've see it.
--
Giselle
Every9man
That's true, I go for weeks at times not watching , reading or listening to the
news, more because it makes me crazy though.
I'd never have known about Laci Peterson had it not been for this ng.
Barbara
Sarah Monroe
>where scotty boy was 'fishin'........
>
>td
>
>
>>
>> >
I agree with that. It's not down San Diego way either. Hope the cops are
looking in the exact opposite direction.
Gms
HudsonGrl
>Date: 1/28/2003 1:53 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20030128145352...@mb-fp.aol.com>
>
>I agree with that. It's not down San Diego way either. Hope the cops are
>looking in the exact opposite direction.
my thoughts exactly :-)
d~
wrote:
>
>"d~" <djominsa...@sayno2spam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I doubt a husband under suspicion of offing his wife would call his 3
>> night stand "from europe".....
>
>Uh, he *did* call her and *PRETEND* to be in "Europe". ("I'd love to see
>ya', baby, but I'm in Prague." read: "I'd love to get my hedges clipped but
>the cops are on my ass for offing my wife.") The cops were there for the
>call, too.
Yes. I know. the part I doubted was the "3 night stand" part. I
think it was more.
I've been here. Color me stupid, but I was involved with a guy for 9
months and it wasn't till after I dumped him that I found out he was
living with someone else.[1]
>> This was a sexual "relationship" that he was willing to take chances
>> by contacting her after his wife's disappearance in order to maintain.
>>
>> d~
>
>Sure he wanted to maintain it. If he didn't do THAT, she might put 2 and 2
>together and call the cops on his lying ass. OOPS. Guess she was smarter
>than he thought.
I'm dying to find out how *she* found out who he was... The "europe
call" shows that Scott thought he was still fooling her. I'm also
dying to find out why he figured she wouldn't know who he was..
d~
[1] he told me he was embarrassed to take me to his place, coz he
lived with his mom. He did show me "his place" in his mom's basement
once - and his persian cats were there... seemed on the up and up.
"I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it."
- Spike - "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"
d~
I'm guilty of projecting also... but how can we *not* view a situation
like this *without* some tint of our past experience coloring our
perception?
d~
d~
>>From: djominsa...@sayno2spam.hotmail.com
>>On 27 Jan 2003 17:14:49 GMT, ever...@aol.com (Every9man) wrote:
>>
>>>She may not have been admitting it at all. she may have been embelllishing
>>so's
>>>we wouldnt think she was a 3 night stand.
>>>The *other woman* usually thinks they are having a *relationship*, whereas
>>the
>>>man seldom does.
>>
>>I doubt a husband under suspicion of offing his wife would call his 3
>>night stand "from europe".....
>>
>>This was a sexual "relationship" that he was willing to take chances
>>by contacting her after his wife's disappearance in order to maintain.
>>
>>d~
>
>I think there's a possible alternate explantation and I think I posted on it
>but I'm not sure.
>Do you think it's possible that he told her he was going to be in Europe so
>that she wouldnt expect him to be with her for the Christmas holidays and that
>he would have to said he was in Europe if he called her to ask her to keep
>their affair secret.
>
>Far fetched????
No. Not far fetched. Bloody obvious.
The part I can't understand is *IF* it was a "3 day stand" why go
through all the bother? "I'll be in Europe, can't hang with you over
the holidays.." THEN making fake calls??
Nah, he definitely saw it as more than a *3 day-er* - in what way I
have no idea - but it wasn't a wham-bam-thank-you kind of thing.
Phoenix
fe.aol.com>, ever...@aol.com says...
My grandmother would have loved you, Barbara.
She was the only one in my family to have any
talent or inclination for fishing, morning
noon or night.
Might have been the only time she got away
from it all.
bel - remembering how we used to prime the
waters with corn meal the night before going
fishin'.
>
Michele317
lol... i was more dismayed by your 'mrs. paul's' reference! i've known people
whose only experience with fish has been canned tuna and they're missing out on
much yumminess, imo. but since that's not the case with you, i'd say you're not
necessarily missing much without fishing. it was something i enjoyed with my
dad, but i haven't gone in years.
I've
>never lived near any major body of water except Lake Michigan,
>and I've had no desire to go fishing. I've had real fish
>in restaurants but that's about the extent of it. I've never
>seen sturgeon on a restaurant menu. Do people really eat it?
>Or is it just very unusual to find it on a menu in the Midwest?
it's a pretty mild fish. i don't see it on menus much, except smoked. and
there's sturgeon caviar as well.