Meredith Emerson was ALIVE for three days after being kidnapped
tiny dancer
Gary Michael Hilton charged with murder
UPDATED: 12:15 a.m. January 09, 2008
Hiker was alive for three days, affidavit says
Gary Michael Hilton charged with murder
By GEORGE CHIDI , TIM EBERLY
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 01/08/08
Meredith Emerson's family slipped deeper into seclusion Tuesday after
authorities gave word that the Buford hiker may have been held captive for
three days before she was bludgeoned and decapitated.
Authorities charged Gary Michael Hilton with murder, and revealed that the
24-year-old woman was not killed until Friday, three days after she
disappeared from a trail in Vogel State Park.
The affidavit for Hilton's murder warrant disclosed that Emerson died Jan. 4
in Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area, five miles southwest of
Dawsonville, where investigators found her body Monday evening with Hilton's
help.
He led authorities to her body in exchange for prosecutors' agreeing not to
seek the death penalty against him in the case, Union County District
Attorney Stan Gunter told The Associated Press.
Hilton appeared on Monday before a Union County judge who denied his request
for bail. Hilton's court-appointed attorney, Neil A. Smith, declined to
answer questions about the case.
Emerson's parents did not appear at a news conference Tuesday afternoon at
the Athens home of her godmother, Peggy Bailey.
Bailey faced cameras and reporters gathered outside her home soon after the
GBI reported the details of the young woman's slaying.
She read a four-paragraph statement. With a police cruiser parked nearby,
she thanked law enforcement, volunteers and media. She said that Emerson's
memorial service would be held Friday in Athens.
She did not address the nature of Emerson's death before walking back inside
her house, where Emerson's parents were believed to be.
On Bailey's garage door, a typed note asked the media to keep their
distance: "The Emerson and Bailey families respectfully request that we not
be disturbed. Do not knock or ring a door bell or remain on the property,"
the note read. "You may leave a [business] card and a family spokesperson
will contact you by phone at their earliest conveniences. Thanks for your
continued sensitivity and compassion in this difficult time."
An autopsy performed by the GBI on Tuesday found Emerson suffered fatal
injuries to the head before she was decapitated.
The results were a gruesome development in a case that has splashed national
attention on North Georgia since the passing of the New Year â?" a young
woman who mysteriously disappeared while hiking with her beloved dog after
allegedly crossing paths with an older man who has a taste for police-style
batons.
What happened is still murky, but since Emerson's disappearance, details
have come to light bit by bit.
. Her dog, Ella, turns up Friday afternoon wandering around a Cumming-area
Kroger parking lot.
. Her bloody clothes and other belongings are found around the same time in
a nearby garbage bin.
. The prime suspect, Hilton, is taken into custody at a DeKalb County gas
station while cleaning his van Friday night.
. Emerson's father pleads through the media Monday for help in finding his
daughter.
. Late Monday, Hilton leads investigators to Emerson's body in Dawson
Forest.
All of which leads to Tuesday, when the autopsy was performed while
investigators resumed their search Tuesday of the forest.
Days earlier, Hilton was charged with kidnapping with bodily injury, a
felony that can carry a sentence of life imprisonment. Following his
arraignment, Hilton would lead investigators to her body.
Late Monday, reporters were also taken to the area on the forest's south
side where Emerson's body was found, about a mile and a half down Dawson
Forest Road, which leads into the forest off Ga. 52. The location is
accessible by vehicle but not otherwise visible in the middle of tall pines
and brambles and near a skeet-shooting range.
Little in forest but hunting, horseback riding
Dawson Forest, a remote area of 10,000 acres, is a good place to hide.
It's popular with horseback riders on the weekends, and during hunting
season there's some activity, but little else goes on here. There are no
campgrounds, no power, no real signs of life. An eerie quiet permeates the
woods.
Dawson Forest was once home to the Georgia Nuclear Aircraft Laboratory, an
Air Force testing facility run by Lockheed Aircraft Corp. as an experimental
project to develop nuclear-powered aircraft.
Lockheed began an unsuccessful effort to develop nuclear-powered planes in
the late 1950s, and the experiment was shut down in 1971. The city of
Atlanta purchased the Lockheed site from the Air force in the early 1970s
for use as a possible second airport.
Bond denied for Hilton
Meanwhile, Hilton, 61, is scheduled to appear at 1 p.m. Wednesday in a
Dawson County courtroom on the murder charge that was added Tuesday.
GBI Director Vernon Keenan said Monday, "There's a lot going on in this case
right now." He later added, "There's a tremendous amount of evidence in this
case."
For six days, the search for Emerson stretched from the mountains of Georgia
to DeKalb County. She was last seen in Vogel State Park about 10 miles south
of Blairsville in Union County, walking with Hilton on New Year's Day.
'Thousands' of tips
Union County Sheriff Scott Stephens said his office has gotten "thousands"
of phone calls from the public saying they had seen Hilton moving about in
North Georgia, apparently living in his white van.
"It's our belief he travels around to remote counties," Stephens said.
"We've had all kinds of calls from people saying 'I remember seeing him.'
He's a drifter. He kind of moves around."
DeKalb County police said his vehicle has been registered to two addresses
in DeKalb County, but have declined to release those addresses.
Little is known about Hilton, but he has been convicted of two felonies â?"
one for the possession and distribution of marijuana, another for theft by
taking.
He also has arrests dating as far back as the 1970s, including a 1982 arrest
on charges of arson and hit-and-run in DeKalb County and a 1995 arrest in
Cobb County on charges of beating up a roommate, according to an online jail
log.
The address on the arrest warrant served on Hilton on Saturday has an
address on Clairmont Road in Chamblee.
Encounter with a deputy
A Cherokee County sheriff's deputy also came across Hilton recently on a
trespassing call. Hunters called authorities to report that a man,
identified as Hilton, was camping on private property used for hunting off
Upper Sweetwater Trail, sheriff's Sgt. Jay Baker said.
The deputy spoke for 20 minutes to Hilton, who admitted having a baton with
him. The deputy told Hilton to leave the property after confirming he didn't
have any outstanding warrants.
Authorities have declined to say what led them to suspect Hilton so soon
after Emerson disappeared. GBI spokesman John Bankhead said it was based on
witnesses coming forward with information. There is a videotape of Hilton
allegedly trying to withdraw money from Emerson's account at an ATM in
Canton.
Bailey, the family spokeswoman, said a memorial service for Emerson would be
held at 2 p.m Friday at Central Presbyterian Church in Athens. Another
service will be held sometime later in her hometown of Longmont, Colo., just
outside Denver.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/08/emerson_0109.html
Meredith Emerson was alive for three days after she disappeared from a
Georgia hiking trail New Year's Day before she died from a blow to the head
and was later decapitated. The man accused of her death led authorities to
her body in exchange for not facing the death penalty.
Gary Michael Hilton was charged with murder Tuesday in connection with
Emerson's death. In the affidavit for his murder warrant, authorities said
Emerson did not die until Jan. 4 in Dawson Forest, three days after she
disappeared from Vogel State Park.
Union County District Attorney Stan Gunter told reporters that Hilton led
police to Emerson's body in exchange for prosecutors agreeing not to seek
the death penalty in the case. Authorities still believe Hilton may be
involved in other deaths.
Emerson's family went into seclusion after learning more of the details of
her death, asking the media to give them privacy.
http://crime.about.com/b/2008/01/08/hiker-was-alive-3-days-before-beaten-to-death.htm
jeslawrence
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kris Baker
"jeslawrence" <jesla...@att.net> wrote in message
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> god amitey..and she was fit, and trained in self defense...
Is there a reason you had to quote 100 lines, just to TOP POST
11 words?
One good thing about top posters: it makes it easy to
know who to killfile.
tiny dancer
"jeslawrence" <jesla...@att.net> wrote in message
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Welcome to the group, haven't seen you before.
He probably bashed her over the head from behind or something, to over-power
her first. Sounds like he's had lots of practice at what he does,
unfortunately.
td
MaryL
"tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gary Michael Hilton charged with murder
>
>
>
> Meredith Emerson was alive for three days after she disappeared from a
> Georgia hiking trail New Year's Day before she died from a blow to the
> head and was later decapitated. The man accused of her death led
> authorities to her body in exchange for not facing the death penalty.
> Gary Michael Hilton was charged with murder Tuesday in connection with
> Emerson's death. In the affidavit for his murder warrant, authorities said
> Emerson did not die until Jan. 4 in Dawson Forest, three days after she
> disappeared from Vogel State Park.
>
> Union County District Attorney Stan Gunter told reporters that Hilton led
> police to Emerson's body in exchange for prosecutors agreeing not to seek
> the death penalty in the case. Authorities still believe Hilton may be
> involved in other deaths.
>
> Emerson's family went into seclusion after learning more of the details of
> her death, asking the media to give them privacy.
>
> http://crime.about.com/b/2008/01/08/hiker-was-alive-3-days-before-beaten-to-death.htm
>
>
The knowledge that she was alive for three days just compounds the horror.
I hope -- for her sake and for her family -- that she was not abused as much
as I fear she was, but I have thought from the beginning that this case was
about perversion, terror, some sort of "thrill" of murder, and not a desire
for money. The knowledge of this horrible ordeal is something that her
family will never be able to put out of their minds. Depending on how they
react, they may eventually be able to work through it, but they will never
be the same. So, this monster killed Meredith (and probably some other
victims) and also destroyed many other lives in the process.
MaryL
MaryL
up* and eventually killed her (as you said, by bashing her over the head).
With a pervert like that, I would not even be surprised if he did it from
the front so she would see it coming.
MaryL
Kris Baker
"MaryL" <stan...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
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>
>
> Since she was alive for three days, it sounds to me like he had her *tied
> up* and eventually killed her (as you said, by bashing her over the head).
> With a pervert like that, I would not even be surprised if he did it from
> the front so she would see it coming.
>
> MaryL
What I'm still stunned by, is that she apparently went with this
guy willingly. She had her dog, and he had a "billy club". She
was walking with him and talking to him, BEFORE he injured
her. People witnessed that, and heard them talking.
Like Ted Bundy, he must have had some good story about
needing help with something...and his dog may have been
the real bait.
Kris
Poe
I assume she was tied up and tortured. There is no reason to keep her
alive for any length of time except to repeatedly do *whatever* to her.
The fact he decapitated her leads me to speculate as to whether he was
into mutilating her in general, and if that sort of thing was done to
her over time until the final act. I hope not, but he's a mean looking
mo-fo, and we already know he decapitated her.
I can think of only three reasons to do that. One, to reduce the chances
of her being identified quickly. Two - he went overboard slashing her
throat and it was unintentional for the entire head to come off (kind of
a killing frenzy type thing). Three - for sick enjoyment of chopping
off a human head.
Have there been any further reports about where her head was found in
relation to her torso, and if there were other things like chopped off
fingertips that would help clarify the reason for decapitation? I
haven't heard anything more on that, but I have been a little busy and
out of the loop the past few days.
Poe
He wasn't as bad looking as I'd imagined after hearing about a toothless
drifter... in court he looked mean, but maybe he is the type who can
turn on the charm when he wants and look decent.
I wonder how far they were from his van when they were seen talking.
Maybe it wasn't that far, and she didn't get into it willingly. Also how
long did she really talk to him - for just a minute, or did they
actually spend a bit of time talking? I am curious about this aspect of
his MO as well.
tiny dancer
"Poe" <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message
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Not that I've heard, but one of the *suspected* prior victims had both her
head and hands cut off. As for the talking/walking together, I'd assume
Meredith *thought* she had innocently come upon another hiker with a dog,
and a *chat* just insued. Most likely small talk about their respective
dogs. He was probably scouring the area, checking to see if there were any
eye-witnesses. Dogs off leash, running around ahead, and Meredith
innocently followed behind her dog, with him waiting to enter a secluded
area.
IIRC, that former boss of his was the one who initially gave his license
plate number to LE after hearing there was a missing female hiker in that
particular area *because* he suspected Hilton might have had something to do
with it. I read that in one of the articles last night or the night before.
td
>
Kris Baker
The pictures I saw, of when he was first hauled in, were horrific.
There's NO WAY a young woman would have found him attractive,
and he was filthy,.
The MO is this: he convinced her to let the dogs run loose and
play, then when she chased her dog into the woods (to some
bait meat he'd previously left??), he clunked her. Then, all he had
to do was wait for any watchers to leave, and he had her.
Kris
Kris Baker
I'm thinking that her head was bashed to pulp; remember, they
said he wanted to keep her from being recognized. (Guess he's
been out of the loop so long, he didn't know about DNA).
MaryL
"Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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I think he used the dogs as a means of getting acquainted, then suggested
that they set them free to run so they would not be around when he grabbed
her. What puzzles me is that her dog was later found in the same area when
Hilton was arrested. That means he kept the dog with them and transported
her to that area. I'm really glad the dog survived and will be some comfort
to her parents, but it is an aspect of the case that really puzzles me.
MaryL
Kris Baker
"MaryL" <stan...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
You said better, what I meant to say. He knew if they let the dogs
loose, they'd have to chase them down and go out of sight in the
woods.
As for the dog: I'm sure he loves animals more than people.
He's now an official suspect in the three other deaths (Dunlap,
plus the two elderly NC hikers).
Kris
jeslawrence
at side of the head...news:K1Phj.5741$pr6...@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
MaryL
But...you still top posted in this reply! I notice you are uses OE, which
places your cursor at the top of the message. I also use OE. It's easy to
simply scroll to the bottom before typing your response. On the
way...selectively snip long messages, but be sure to retain enough of the
content so it is clear to others what you are responding *to.*
MaryL
Kris Baker
"MaryL" <stan...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
OE puts the cursor at the top, so you WILL read through the post
before you reply, snipping as you go. If it automatically went to the
bottom, no one would snip at all.
Well, I'm glad the guy's in my bozo bin. ;)
Kris
Chocolic
answering an original post leaving the length of the story below. Then
everybody post below everybody's response. Then you don't have to scroll
thru the whole story every time to read the response, yet the post is left
intact in case you want to refer to it if you need to.
I love ya Kris, but you can sometimes be nasty to newbees. :)
Chocolic
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
"Chocolic" <chatt...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Oh, that's one of the things I like about Kris! hahahaha! As for reply
posting above articles, I do it sometimes - just put 'article intact
below' - but I post UNDER the orig poster, not on top. (That's when the orig
poster adds a note at the top of a news article of course.) Otherwise I
don't like top posters because they screw up threads. If a top poster comes
in in the middle of a thread, it screws it all up. And around here we do it
the other way, bottom-post. (I've been reading too much agc - anything with
'bottom' in it sounds vaguely sexual to me.)
jc
Chocolic
That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that.
Chocolic
Poe
Here is one description I like for why top-posting sucks:
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Poe
How do we know he is nice to animals, tho? He may steal pets and then
use them as bait for unwitting victims, who may assume if he is an
animal lover he's probably a nice guy.
Wild Monkshood
Poe wrote:
>
> Here is one description I like for why top-posting sucks:
>
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Yep. It's like wiping before you sit on the throne....
WM
Amy Guskin
(in article <8T%hj.127841$MJ6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>):
> How come everybody hates top posters so much? I don't mind it if it is
> answering an original post leaving the length of the story below. Then
> everybody post below everybody's response. Then you don't have to scroll
> thru the whole story every time to read the response, yet the post is left
> intact in case you want to refer to it if you need to. <<
Kris is right, and those who know what they're doing in Usenet should keep on
teaching the newbies, or it's going to be completely uncivilized here!
Your example assumes a perfect world, with highly intelligent posters who
understand how their own newsreader functions (or even the fact that they
_have_ a newsreader; I can't tell you how often I try to help someone with an
issue, ask them what newsreader they're using, and they say "Huh?"). Many
people's default is their software's default: wherever the cursor is, they'll
type. Luckily, most people have this worked out, and understand to
physically move the cursor to the bottom if they haven't simply changed their
preferences. But in your example I'm imagining that if the thread gets long,
you'll soon have an unreadable mishmash consisting of replies in random order
as the first few people maybe posted below the original response but above
the story, but other, less observant people just top posted above all of it,
while other diehard, rule-following Usenetters went down to the bottom and
posted _there_.
If the thread is short enough, sometimes a patient poster will make an
attempt to reorder the posts so that the conversation is once again sensibly
readable, but no one's going to do that in a thread of 100 responses.
So, convention and civility dictate bottom posting, always, and snipping most
of the backquoted stuff, leaving enough to make the comments understandable,
(in most newsgroups) is usually preferred.
That said, I'd probably first try to educate the newbie before plonking them,
but that's just me.
Amy
--
"In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
W. Bush, May 24, 2005
Amy Guskin
(in article <8Y%hj.127852$MJ6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>):
>
> "Kris Baker" <kris....@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:k5Vhj.6321$pr6....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>> You said better, what I meant to say. He knew if they let the dogs
>> loose, they'd have to chase them down and go out of sight in the
>> woods.
>>
>> As for the dog: I'm sure he loves animals more than people.
>>
>> He's now an official suspect in the three other deaths (Dunlap,
>> plus the two elderly NC hikers).
>>
>> Kris
>>
>
> That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
> abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that. <<
I'm sure we'll hear more about this, but my initial thought was that it's
something he's fetishized, like it's a point of honor that he never hurts a
dog.
Amy Guskin
(in article <5urueqF...@mid.individual.net>):
The point wasn't that he was _nice_ to the dog; it's that he didn't kill the
dog, and in fact, brought it back to civilization where it would stand a much
better chance of being found/adopted/taken care of then if he'd left it in
the wilderness where it might encounter wild animals. So, apparently, he
_likes_ animals, as Chocolic said. I'm pretty sure it's some sort of screwed
up sense of honor, or something fetishistic, like he never hurts dogs, or a
dog once saved his life, or some such nonsense. Too bad he didn't have such
a reverence for _human_ life, the scumbag.
Poe
Maybe the dog just escaped from him before he had a chance to do
anything to it.
tiny dancer
"MaryL" <stan...@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
People who have dogs they hike with, dogs they let off leash to run free in
a wooded setting, don't usually chase them off into the woods. Their dogs
are well-trained on *recall* and return to the human, not the other way
around. I think Mary's scenario is far more likely. He wanted the dogs off
running when he made his move. I am like you though Mary, wondering why he
kept her dog? Perhaps as a method to control or torture her? Threatening
harm to her dog? that's about the only reason I can come up with.
td
>
>
Kris Baker
"Chocolic" <chatt...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> answering an original post leaving the length of the story below. Then
> everybody post below everybody's response. Then you don't have to scroll
> thru the whole story every time to read the response, yet the post is left
> intact in case you want to refer to it if you need to.
>
> I love ya Kris, but you can sometimes be nasty to newbees. :)
>
> Chocolic
This ain't no newbee, Choc. But I still love ya ;)
He's been on Usenet for five years. Top posting. Playing dumb.
Ignoring complaints. http://snurl.com/1x8xn
I recognized him as someone I'd KF'd before, and I doublechecked
before I said anything.
TOP-POSTING:
Smith: Oh! Now it makes sense to me. Okay! No more top-posting for me!
Jones: It's annoying because it reverses the normal order of conversation.
In
fact, many people ignore top-posted articles.
Smith: What's so wrong with that?
Jones: That's posting your response *before* the article you're quoting.
Smith: People keep bugging me about "top-posting." What does that mean?
A: Top posters.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?
Servers propogate differently, and readers have the option
of sorting messages by date, subject, poster, etc.
Scrolling up and down to figure out what's been said, isn't
very efficient....and Google has made it worse, because
many people don't bother to snip any more.
So when you *think* you're following a conversation that's
top-posted, bottom-posted and center-posted....a server
can sneak one in on you, hours later, and throw off your
natural rhythms.
I'm only looking out for your rhythms ;)
Kris
Kris Baker
"Amy Guskin" <ais...@fjordstone.com> wrote in message
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>
> That said, I'd probably first try to educate the newbie before plonking
> them,
> but that's just me.
>
> Amy
Me, too. But like I just told Choc, this wasn't no friggin'
newbie. It's a 5+ years Usenet veteran who floats from
group to group. (I think he's actually a troll who does it
on purpose, just to create havoc.) He's been asked nicely
to not top-post before. He's been criticized. He's
untrainable. He nymshifts so you don't recognize him.
But I did ;)
Kris
Kris Baker
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote in message
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That's one time I DO top-post: when I'm posting an article.
I don't post articles unless I think there's something interesting,
and I like to post a little comment at the top....to get others
to read it.
But I guess that's really NOT top-posting, because it's
not a reply. More like talking to myself ;)
Kris
Kris Baker
>
>
> That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
> abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that.
>
> Chocolic
Probably that the dog was like Ted Bundy's fake cast.
When we got our dog 2+ years ago, and started walking him, I
started meeting LOTS of people in the neighborhood area.
I found that I trusted people with dogs, even in the RV parks
where everyone's a stranger.
As soon as some strange guy complimented my Fox Terrier
on being "so cute", my heart would soften towards him and
I'd walk and chat with them.
I think that may have been what happened here: "If they
like dogs, they can't be bad."
Well......in the wilderness, they can be.
Kris
Kris Baker
> Chocolic wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
>> abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that.
>>
>> Chocolic
>
> How do we know he is nice to animals, tho? He may steal pets and then use
> them as bait for unwitting victims, who may assume if he is an animal
> lover he's probably a nice guy.
Hmmm....good point. Do we know if "HIS" dog was with
him, when he was arrested?
Kris Baker
Wasn't her body found somewhat nearby where he was arrested,
and her dog nearby?
Kris
Poe
That's what comes to my mind, too - to control her. Maybe he just got
done killing her and ditching her stuff, and he hadn't yet decided what
to do with the dog when it ran off from his van. Not an act of kindness
to the animal so much mere indifference - he simply no longer needed it,
so if it ran off he'd just let it. The dog is no threat to him since it
cannot talk, so no need to prevent it from leaving once its purpose had
been served.
I am not saying it is impossible that he was nice to, or loved, animals.
But I am skeptical that someone who seems to be emerging as a SK had
compassion for any forms of life.
tiny dancer
Yeah, and the jokes on him. IIRC, wasn't the dumpster where her bloody
shirt/s were found, right across the street from where the dog was found?
So in a way, Merediths dog *was* the reason lots of the evidence was found.
Good on, Ella.
td
Poe
Hard to tell. It sounds like it was his, but as I think you're also
saying - even if it is his, I bet it is just a bait prop. And I'd bet
the odds at 50/50 that it is only "his" because everyone assumes it is,
since it was in his possession.
Now if it really was his pet, how wild would it be if he trained it to
actually run off when let off leash, knowing another dog would chase
after it? Dogs always do, and that would serve two purposes - he has a
dog, so he is a nice guy. His dog runs off with hers, disarming her of
one defense. And even wilder notion that crossed my mind - what if he
trained his dog to run to the van when let off leash, reeling in the
bait when she chased after hers?
OK, maybe that's all too wild for RL.
Poe
Ha! Didn't think of that. Yep, a little poetic justice. Gooooood girl,
Ella :-)
Chocolic
I didn't know that. Sorry for calling you nasty. I hope you know I meant
it in a nice way. :)
What other nyms does this person use?
Chocolic
Chocolic
I wondered why the nasty post. I should have known there was a reason for
that. :)
Chocolic
Kris Baker
No problem. I understand. I *could have* said "I checked
Google and found out...." but I didn't want to look like a
stalker. I didn't realize I was the only one who recognized him ;)
Click on the link I gave in the other post (it's no longer in my
clipboard). He keeps the same email address, but shifts
his name so you don't eyeball him.
Kris
Kris Baker
>>
>
>
> Hard to tell. It sounds like it was his, but as I think you're also
> saying - even if it is his, I bet it is just a bait prop. And I'd bet the
> odds at 50/50 that it is only "his" because everyone assumes it is, since
> it was in his possession.
>
> Now if it really was his pet, how wild would it be if he trained it to
> actually run off when let off leash, knowing another dog would chase after
> it? Dogs always do, and that would serve two purposes - he has a dog, so
> he is a nice guy. His dog runs off with hers, disarming her of one
> defense. And even wilder notion that crossed my mind - what if he trained
> his dog to run to the van when let off leash, reeling in the bait when she
> chased after hers?
>
> OK, maybe that's all too wild for RL.
It really isn't. Dogs are creatures of habit, and if that one's
like mine, it'd rather be in the car than *anywhere* else.
Kris
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
IMO, the dog running was certainly part of his strategy to subdue her, take
her unawares. People saw the two humans head off into the brush after the
animals. But something happened there on the trail too, because that's where
the leash and the dropped baton were found.
jc
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
Yes. It was taken to a shelter by LE when he was brought in.
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
No, her dog was found at the local quick mart or whatever the place is
called. It got picked it up and when its microchip was read, they knew it
was hers. Meredith's bloody clothes were found in a trash bin in the same
vicinity. That was before they arrested Hilton, also not far from there
IIUC. Later he lead LE to her body in the bush somewhere.
jc
Cliff and Linda Griffith
> Me, too. But like I just told Choc, this wasn't no friggin'
> newbie. It's a 5+ years Usenet veteran who floats from
> group to group. (I think he's actually a troll who does it
> on purpose, just to create havoc.) He's been asked nicely
> to not top-post before. He's been criticized. He's
> untrainable. He nymshifts so you don't recognize him.
>
> But I did ;)
>
> Kris
y'all do it, but I'd like to learn. I read something about "Who is?", but
Googling that (with a name) never worked for me. I was just so excited when
I could tell by checking "Preferences" that a spam E-mail was sent from an
address other than the one that showed up on the first screen!
Linda
Kris Baker
"Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
news:gV8ij.126$X14...@newsfe05.lga...
whois is for checking website (domain) registration,
not email addresses on usenet.
For instance, if you wanted to know who owned the
registry to ebay.com, you'd go to
networksolutions.com/whois/ and enter "ebay.com"
in the search field for whois.
All I did was a google groups search for posts from
that email address, and up came the five+ year
history, with different names showing. Bingo.
Now I see "Top Poster" has shown up. Told y'all.
kris
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
Yes. Having that dog gave the POS context for interacting with his victims.
The dog was a good 'tool' for him. Lots of men have found that having a dog
helps them meet women
But also, what another poster asked, about SKs hating animals? SKs don't
hate animals parcularly. Often in their youths SKs torture animals, yes.
That's because they're experimenting, and also practicing what they'll
eventually do to humans. But not because they hate animals: it's the
pain/torture thing they're into. It's a stage many SKs go thru, torturing
animals. Later many of them move on to human victims. Which brings us to
atc.
It's interesting to wonder why most SKs don't have personal pets, at least
not that I've read about or can recall. SKs who have families with pets
don't count (to me). I think it's because SKs have too many other fantasies
on their minds, don't possess pet empathy much (anymore than they possess
human empathy). And if they don't need the pet to further their killing
plans, a pet simply wouldn't be useful for them. Can anyone think of a SK
with a pet?
jc
Poe
Interesting question. I don't know the answer, but an observation about
why SKs would not have pets... most people I know who have pets have
this whole thing going on about really loving their pet, caring for it,
protecting it, having it as a buddy. It trusts you completely and you
don't want to disappoint it. All those feelings are probably absent in a
sociopath. Since there may be no positive feelings like that, vet bills,
food, etc. would become nothing more than unnecessary overhead. Why
bother to incur it unless the animal is somehow useful?
Cliff and Linda Griffith
>
> "Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:gV8ij.126$X14...@newsfe05.lga...
> not email addresses on usenet.
>
> For instance, if you wanted to know who owned the
> registry to ebay.com, you'd go to
> networksolutions.com/whois/ and enter "ebay.com"
> in the search field for whois.
>
> All I did was a google groups search for posts from
> that email address, and up came the five+ year
> history, with different names showing. Bingo.
>
> Now I see "Top Poster" has shown up. Told y'all.
>
> kris
thing is, I often wonder about the "regulars": Has this person been here
before, but with a different screen-name? I think that may well be the case
with some, and all the rest of you know who's who, but I don't.
Fortunately, I saw the post from Ruthless, explaining "who she used to be";
so that's one I know. It seemed then that everybody but me had known all
along. WM's another one for whom I "picked up on the clues"...really
difficult clues like, "Here's my new screen-name."
I guess I need to make a chart sometime, with screen-names, general
locations, etc.
Linda
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
"Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:47943729...@bart.spawar.mil...
> In Message-ID:<478918b0$0$13262$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au> posted on
> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 06:42:43 +1100, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote:
> Begin
>
>>But something happened there on the trail too, because that's where
>>the leash and the dropped baton were found.
>
> or 'Tanya Tapper' as they are called?
> --
>
> 73 de
> KM6RF
> Bart
He didn't anticipate her strength and lost it in his struggle with her. He
got a death grip somehow, eventually, but didn't have a chance to pick up
the baton (or didn't know) for fear of her escaping from his clutches. JMO.
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
Send it to me then, willya, along with a packa-bacon. :D
jc
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
> In Message-ID:<47891d62$0$4437$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au> posted on
> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:02:45 +1100, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote:
> Begin
>
>>helps them meet women
>
> to serve as an icebreaker
> and the illusion of protection.
> --
>
> 73 de
> KM6RF
> Bart
I know men who've told me about lovely women they've met or flirted with due
to the dog thing. But I don't personally know women who speak similarly
(that is, specifically, about good-looking men met because of their dogs),
or who deliberately get a dog for an icebreaker. YMMV, and apparently does.
I do know women, tho, who believe their dogs will protect them - fine as
long as they *never *rely on same (unless the dog's been trained to attack),
IMO.
jc
Peter Dworkin
> "Bart Bailey" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:47953732...@bart.spawar.mil...
>> In Message-ID:<47891d62$0$4437$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au> posted on
>> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 07:02:45 +1100, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote:
>> Begin
>>
>>> Lots of men have found that having a dog
>>> helps them meet women
> I do know women, tho, who believe their dogs will protect them - fine as
> long as they *never *rely on same (unless the dog's been trained to attack),
> IMO.
>
> jc
>
>
My girlfriend, who is blind, is very vulnerable to predators, because
the scumbags know that Seeing Eye dogs are trained NOT to be aggressive.
There is a whole sub-class of sexual predators who devote themselves to
terrorizing blind women.
Cliff and Linda Griffith
news:47894ca4$0$25392$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
> "Cliff and Linda Griffith" <grif...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:75aij.137$X14...@newsfe05.lga...
>> locations, etc.
>>
>> Linda
>
> Send it to me then, willya, along with a packa-bacon. :D
>
> jc
Linda
Chocolic
"Yeah Right" <two...@freewhatever.forwhyever> wrote in message
news:mi9jo352hqhcpe3ei...@4ax.com...
> On , +5days, Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:55:06 -0800, Re: Meredith
> Emerson was ALIVE for three days after being kidnapped, Bart
> Bailey <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>In
>>Message-ID:<8Y%hj.127852$MJ6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
>>posted on Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:42:28 GMT, Chocolic wrote: Begin
>>
>>>That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
>>>abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that.
>>
>>stage of the SK's life that developed into human targets later on
>
> I think any animal will meet the need. Peter Kurten used to
> strangle swans and they are one vicious mother of a bird to
> approach, they can break a mans arm with one blow from their
> wings, apparently he decimated several lakes full of swans.
> He also used to stab sheep to death. He was introduced to the
> practice of torturing dogs by the municipal dog catcher who also
> taught him to masturbate dogs as he killed them.
> Adolf Hitler had two German Shepards and he was very devoted to
> them, they had their own room in the Fuhrer Bunker underneath the
> Reich Chancellory and before he committed suicide he poisoned his
> dogs.
> Apparently the three signs of a future serial killer or
> psychopath are 1. Late bedwetting, ( up to the age of 7 or 8) 2.
> Firelighting and 3. Torturing animals.I don't know if it applies
> to female psychopaths though.
>
When I was a kid I used to light fires. I was fascinated by them. One
time my brother and I lit a fire under an oil tank, while we were sitting
under it (we were about 6ish years old). One other time we lit a fire under
the crawl space under our porch. Another time my brother and sister lit a
fire in our garage and damned near burned the garage down.
And we ended up being productive law-abiding and mentally healthy (well sort
of ;)) adults. And no, we are no longer fascinated by fire.
I one time told an ATF agent about my childhood escapades and he looked at
me veeeery suspiciously. I don't think he ever trusted me after that, even
though I had contact with him for years (thru my work). But he was the type
of person that was so suspicous of everything that he wouldn't have his
address printed on his checks.
I knew a guy that I grew up with in my neighborhood that beat a neighbor's
kitten to death with a baseball bat when he was a child. In his adult years
has been caught exposing himself in parking lots. And I've heard rumors
that he has possibly molested his kids.
Chocolic
Chocolic
"Yeah Right" <two...@freewhatever.forwhyever> wrote in message
> On , , Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:55 -0500, Re: Meredith Emerson was
> ALIVE for three days after being kidnapped, Poe
> <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote:
>
>>MaryL wrote:
>>> "tiny dancer" <tinyda...@nospamhotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:2oPhj.63546$rc2....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>> "jeslawrence" <jesla...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:jHOhj.126096$MJ6....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>> god amitey..and she was fit, and trained in self defense...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Welcome to the group, haven't seen you before.
>>>>
>>>> He probably bashed her over the head from behind or something, to
>>>> over-power her first. Sounds like he's had lots of practice at what he
>>>> does, unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> td
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Since she was alive for three days, it sounds to me like he had her
>>> *tied
>>> up* and eventually killed her (as you said, by bashing her over the
>>> head).
>>> With a pervert like that, I would not even be surprised if he did it
>>> from
>>> the front so she would see it coming.
>>>
>>> MaryL
>>>
>>
>>
>>alive for any length of time except to repeatedly do *whatever* to her.
>>The fact he decapitated her leads me to speculate as to whether he was
>>into mutilating her in general, and if that sort of thing was done to
>>her over time until the final act. I hope not, but he's a mean looking
>>mo-fo, and we already know he decapitated her.
>>
>>I can think of only three reasons to do that. One, to reduce the chances
>>of her being identified quickly. Two - he went overboard slashing her
>>throat and it was unintentional for the entire head to come off (kind of
>>a killing frenzy type thing). Three - for sick enjoyment of chopping
>>off a human head.
>
> It isn't easy to cut off a human head, especially accidentally.
> You would need a long sharp knife or a machete or kukiri type
> chopping weapon.
>
Now how would you know that. ;)
Chocolic
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
"Peter Dworkin" <pe...@pdworkin.com> wrote in message
news:fmbl33$9a1$1...@reader2.panix.com...
Omigod. That's horrible. Just what they need. Good Loord. How in the world
does one protect oneself against *that?
jc
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
> In Message-ID:<47894acb$0$5200$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au> posted on
> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:16:30 +1100, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote:
> Begin
>
>>> or 'Tanya Tapper' as they are called?
>
>>He didn't anticipate her strength and lost it in his struggle with her. He
>>got a death grip somehow, eventually, but didn't have a chance to pick up
>>the baton (or didn't know) for fear of her escaping from his clutches.
>>JMO.
>
> would it?
> unless he telegraphed his intent and she saw and reacted defensively.
> --
>
> 73 de
> KM6RF
> Bart
Um, huh?
jc
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
> In Message-ID:<47894df2$0$26204$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au> posted on
> Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:29:57 +1100, "JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote:
> Begin
>
>>long as they *never *rely on same (unless the dog's been trained to
>>attack),
>
>
> (anecdote)
> As a kid my old black and tan hound would always show the exit to any
> situation that looked frightening, was on me to follow and keep up.
> (/anecdote)
> --
>
> 73 de
> KM6RF
> Bart
Smart doggie. Exiting's always best in a bad situation.
You have a dog now?
jc
Peter Dworkin
following her. But she is unusually self-confidant and accomplished;
many other blind women don't have the personal resources that she is
fortunate to have.
Poe
I have never heard of sexual predators targeting blind people. Amazing
the depths some scum will sink to. I do recall seeing something about
support groups for blind victims of domestic violence and wondered if
there was a trend I was unaware of.
emzd...@hotmail.com
own dog horribly, terrifying the animal into submission. I think this
was a description given by Tabor's wife. It has also been said by
someone close to him, that Emerson hated people, especially women. If
you hate women in particular you wouldn't be as interested in harming
a dog so much as a female human. It just wouldn't be as interesting to
him.
As far as destroying evidence goes, maybe he was balancing his guilt
against his impulses. Maybe Meredith begged him to spare her dog's
life. Maybe he figured if the dog ran away no one would know how to
link it to him. It did seem, though, that he simply wasn't thinking
clearly around the time of this crime. He didn't bother to cover his
tracks. His actions seemed to have been frantic and chaotic, perhaps a
result of the ritalin he took.
On Jan 12, 9:31 am, Amy Guskin <aisl...@fjordstone.com> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:42:28 -0500, Chocolic wrote
>
> (in article <8Y%hj.127852$MJ6.52...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>):
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Kris Baker" <kris.ba...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> >news:k5Vhj.6321$pr6....@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> >> You said better, what I meant to say. He knew if they let the dogs
> >> loose, they'd have to chase them down and go out of sight in the
> >> woods.
>
> >> As for the dog: I'm sure he loves animals more than people.
>
> >> He's now an official suspect in the three other deaths (Dunlap,
> >> plus the two elderly NC hikers).
>
> >> Kris
>
> > That's unusual for a sk to like animals isn't it? Often you hear of sk's
> > abusing animals. I wonder what the psych's say about that. <<
>
> I'm sure we'll hear more about this, but my initial thought was that it's
> something he's fetishized, like it's a point of honor that he never hurts a
> dog.
>
> Amy
> --
> "In my line of work you gotta keep repeating things over and over and over
> again for the truth to sink in, to kinda catapult the propaganda." - George
> W. Bush, May 24, 2005
Kris Baker
news:25d72ea7-4c1e-457e...@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> I read somewhere that a person who knew Emerson
Ago@faraway JonesieCat
Cripes, it's a nasty world sometimes. From the sound of her, I should add,
lucky you, btw. She sounds lovely.
Man, this is going to stay with me, POSes terrorizing blind women. *shaking
head*
jc
tiny dancer
"JonesieCat" <Long Ago@Far Away> wrote in message
news:478a69cc$0$24086$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
That's just the point, 'eh, POS's thrive on terrorizing those that are less
able to protect themselves, blind women being in that group, along with
children, elderly. You have to wonder how somebody gets so EVIL. Are they
born that way? Born without any sort of empathy or conscience.
td
>
>
Poe
One aspect of this behavior in POSs is that they are cowards.
tiny dancer
"Poe" <hau...@terrible-thought.com> wrote in message
news:5uvd7nF...@mid.individual.net...
That's true, perhaps that's why they whine so much about *cruel & unusual*
punishment when it comes to the death penalty? They certainly don't appear
to have any trouble 'dishing it out' as long as they are not at the
receiving end. :(
td
Peter Dworkin
She is an MSW, and has worked with rape crisis hotlines for years, as do
I, so we know a little about some of this stuff.
tiny dancer
"Yeah Right" <two...@freewhatever.forwhyever> wrote in message
> On , , Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:18:11 -0500, Re: Meredith Emerson was
> ALIVE for three days after being kidnapped, "tiny dancer"
> so.
> Funny old world isn't it?
Bo and I disagree vehemently about the death penalty. I am of the opinion
that 'if there is absolutely no doubt as to guilt, and the crime is of a
particularly heinious nature, numerous victims, serial killers, child
rapists and murders, etc., I am pro the D.P.' I used to be against the
D.P., years ago. There was one particular case, a POS who kidnapped, raped,
and murdered a three year old little girl. Drown her in a mud puddle after
he was finished sexually assaulting her. I sat myself down and couldn't
think of one good reason to spare this pricks life. Not a single one. I
remember even the news mentioned that 'the regular DP protesters weren't out
protesting that night', the night he was executed. Seemed like nobody had
it in them to *protest* the death of this scum-bag. The victim was so young
and innocent, the torture so significant, and her death so brutal. It just
knocked the wind out of me, and I changed. No more anti-death penalty in
me. I still 'save it' for particularly brutal crimes though.
I'd imagine John Couey, the prick who raped and buried alive little Jessie
Lunsford, would evoke much the same reaction from many.
td
>
tiny dancer
"Yeah Right" <two...@freewhatever.forwhyever> wrote in message
> On , , Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:31:56 -0500, Re: Meredith Emerson was
> non falsifiable forensic evidence they should be executed. I see
> with some hope that there is a movement among judges to cut down
> on the amount of time appeals take regarding the death penalyu.
> It is ludicrous that someone can spend 20 years on Death Row and
> keep filing appeals and his lawyers acan delay getting their
> client to court.
> Justice delayed is justice denied.
>
>> I used to be against the
>>D.P., years ago. There was one particular case, a POS who kidnapped,
>>raped,
>>and murdered a three year old little girl. Drown her in a mud puddle
>>after
>>he was finished sexually assaulting her. I sat myself down and couldn't
>>think of one good reason to spare this pricks life. Not a single one. I
>>remember even the news mentioned that 'the regular DP protesters weren't
>>out
>>protesting that night', the night he was executed. Seemed like nobody had
>>it in them to *protest* the death of this scum-bag.
>
> for. I have asked some of the more extreme protestors if they
> would have the criminal to stay in their house if they were
> released and the answer was qalmost a uniform "NO BLOODY WAY" but
> they are happy for them to be released to prey on someone elses
> home and family.
>
>> The victim was so young
>>and innocent, the torture so significant, and her death so brutal. It
>>just
>>knocked the wind out of me, and I changed. No more anti-death penalty in
>>me. I still 'save it' for particularly brutal crimes though.
>
Yeah, Wesley Dodd. He was brutal, unremorseful, and most assuredly guilty.
A perfect candidate under *my* criteria. I can't speak for anyone else, but
I definitely experienced a *change* in my DP views. And it was such a
profound *change* when it occured. There are just some crimes, some
*individuals* who have proven themselves to be so inhumane, that I can't
muster up any energy to defend them. It took a lot to cause me to change my
views on the topic, but once changed, they became strongly entrenched.
Especially now days, with the advancement of DNA evidence.
>
>>I'd imagine John Couey, the prick who raped and buried alive little Jessie
>>Lunsford, would evoke much the same reaction from many.
>
> I would hope so.
Some crimes are so incredibly unspeakable.
td
>